Japanese Porn versus Western Porn: The Debate

darksider59 said:

Dudes who watch porn will recognize her, like they do in the west. It's like saying there are tons of white actresses in porn, nobody will recognize a particular girl. Well ... It happens a lot.

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I can't give you examples with that exact situation, but in some MISM, HUNBL, ENKI or DDFF videos they are pretty rough with the girl throat

darksider59 said:

Dudes who watch porn will recognize her, like they do in the west. It's like saying there are tons of white actresses in porn, nobody will recognize a particular girl. Well ... It happens a lot.

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Maybe in your country. You know Jordi ENP, right? He recorded a shitty video for a shitty producer. Next day everyone in his highschool knew he was recording porn. Some countries operate just like a tiny village where there's no privacy.

asianbooblover said:

Apologize if i have mentioned this before, but have noticed the men in JAV do a lot more wimpering than western porn, especially when receiving a hand job or blow job..maybe a cultural thing or maybe western guys do not feel that is not macho enough..also, a lot more dialogue during sex in JAV than western porn

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I remember mentioning something like that. Japanese porn is about sex. Western porn is about a guy doing the macho thing and banging the girl as hard as he can. Preferibly if the viewer doesn't see too much from him.
Obviously a guy moaning would mean he's enjoying sex and that seems a red line in western porn.

headcrusher said:

can't give you examples with that exact situation, but in some MISM, HUNBL, ENKI or DDFF videos they are pretty rough with the girl throat

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Oh yeah, I forgot that kind of movies. My point is still valid though. I did a quick check on those movies (at list for the MISM ID), all girls are low rank actresses. Looking very average at most (except Take Tamai and Mochizuki Ayaka to be 100% fair, they are better looking).

headcrusher said:

Maybe in your country. You know Jordi ENP, right? He recorded a shitty video for a shitty producer. Next day everyone in his highschool knew he was recording porn. Some countries operate just like a tiny village where there's no privacy.

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That shows how stupid people can be. Thinking doing porn can be done without anyone noticing it. Not to mention that nowadays, with social media, it's even easier. There are many cases where the AV actress vanished because her AV career was found.

I downloaded a big pack of Bangbros to get some good ratio in a tracker. I'm checking the videos and there's something really surprising. After seeing more than 10 videos I've noticed that there are no kisses. Zero.
Even with producers like Vixen that try to do something "sensual" you barely find kisses. In some videos you can't find them.

Hello, new member here Thought I'd share my opinion.

I'm in the west and find Europeon and primiarily American porn quite boring, it's more like watching people exercise with very little passion. Japanese is very different, there is passion and imagination everywhere. I think it comes from the need to censor, to titilate without showing the goods leads to invention. Bit like reading a dirty book, you can't see what is happening and the writer is required to be as descriptive as possible to help the reader visualise.

Modern Western porn is also like a blast of espresso. Back in the 70's, 80's and 90's porn would take it's time, have plots, genres and fetists. Today it feels more like a race to cum and move on. Japanese still has that relaxed feel with storys and development.

Something I like about western porn is variety. You can find super amateurish porn and very professional porn. You can find the most soft and passional porn and you can find porn where three guy are smashing the ass of a girl (at the same time) while other guy is proking her to vomit introducing a feet in her throat.

headcrusher said:

Something I like about western porn is variety. You can find super amateurish porn and very professional porn. You can find the most soft and passional porn and you can find porn where three guy are smashing the ass of a girl (at the same time) while other guy is proking her to vomit introducing a feet in her throat.

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The Weird thing about JAV is that I sometimes jack off to parts of the movie that aren't sex. I can seriously nut to the most bizarre shit in JAV, like an older man kissing a loli or a young man kissing an older woman. A partially nude woman just running across the room or just how nasty some of the titles are gets me hard like a dinosaur. I remember spending a whole day looking at movies from r18, just wondering how this is even produced. Jav has that kink to it.

I have to put myself firmly in the 'I prefer JAV' camp, and that is, bizarre as it may sound, is partly due to the censorship laws in Japan.
Let me explain.

I am not, nor have I ever been interested in sex, and while I love the female form I am not interested in seeing it naked, it's the way I'm wired. I have a very heavy underwear fetish, fullback, panelled, synthetic fabric panties specifically. I've been obsessed with them for as long as I can remember and am quite comfortable with this.
Japan seems to have a similar love and understanding of this kink. As such here's a larger emphasis on panties\pantsu\panchira in JAV, even in movies that aren't specifically centred on this kink and a lot of the girls are in underwear for a long time before getting 'down to business'. I suspect this is a: Due to the panty culture mentioned above, and b: Due to the censorship laws, get as much action as possible out of a scene while the girl is still covered.

Given the choice between straight up JAV and Softcore\Idol material the latter is my preference, for the reasons above. Studios such as Spice often feature beautiful lasses in stunning underwear, playing with vibrators and this stuff is like digital crack to me. You can't find anything comparable on the Western market.

I also find Western porn is just about getting naked as soon as possible and straight into the fucking. Not interested, it generally bores me, plus the artificially enhanced, tattooed, pierced look that has crept into Western porn over the last few years is a major turn off. I much prefer the natural look of the majority of JAV stars.

tl;dr JAV caters to my kink more effectively than anything else.

Western porn is basically only American nowadays. Germany still produces porn but it's limited to pro-am studios, which is a good thing in my book since I like more amateur porn but the drawback is that it can't draw prettier girls to perform. Similar thing with Spain, France, etc.

I think JAVs have become a bit stale. It was more exciting back in the day with things like performing in public but that might get you in a serious trouble today. No more camping sex party or sex party on the beach either. One good thing is that the quality of JAV actresses keep getting better, at least from the bigger studios.

Qubit said:

Western porn is basically only American nowadays. Germany still produces porn but it's limited to pro-am studios, which is a good thing in my book since I like more amateur porn but the drawback is that it can't draw prettier girls to perform. Similar thing with Spain, France, etc.

I think JAVs have become a bit stale. It was more exciting back in the day with things like performing in public but that might get you in a serious trouble today. No more camping sex party or sex party on the beach either. One good thing is that the quality of JAV actresses keep getting better, at least from the bigger studios.

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European porn is into extreme sex acts like double triple anal and all sorts of crazy shit

ramp_it_up said:

The Weird thing about JAV is that I sometimes jack off to parts of the movie that aren't sex. I can seriously nut to the most bizarre shit in JAV, like an older man kissing a loli or a young man kissing an older woman. A partially nude woman just running across the room or just how nasty some of the titles are gets me hard like a dinosaur. I remember spending a whole day looking at movies from r18, just wondering how this is even produced. Jav has that kink to it.

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This happen to me on many occasion and I am not embarrassed because I feel that is also one of many reason JAV is the standard for porn and makes it popular.
You don't need "sex scene" to ejaculate with JAV like western porn because the stories is helping you.
Same with the covers, or the scenes it's incorporate.

If a movie have Hana Haruna on the cover with her big tits out and we know she's a teacher,
and the first sex scene isn't until almost 1 hour later, we are already anticipating how/why Hana is naked.

That led us to already getting excited. Not saying it will be a good movie or bad but we are ready lol

Western porn hasn't done that since the early 90's and that's generous.

And I miss r18 it really made searching and discovering new jav fun and easy.

Qubit said:

They I think JAVs have become a bit stale. It was more exciting back in the day with things like performing in public but that might get you in a serious trouble today. No more camping sex party or sex party on the beach either. One good thing is that the quality of JAV actresses keep getting better, at least from the bigger studios.

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They still do some beach and camping JAV but its more in a contained evnvironment or on someone land.
Make sense.
Even european porn is more regulated. Less pis****, shi***** and f**** in public, on transport vehicles, etc
That is a good thing imo

_2old_ said:

I have to put myself firmly in the 'I prefer JAV' camp, and that is, bizarre as it may sound, is partly due to the censorship laws in Japan.
Let me explain.

I am not, nor have I ever been interested in sex, and while I love the female form I am not interested in seeing it naked, it's the way I'm wired. I have a very heavy underwear fetish, fullback, panelled, synthetic fabric panties specifically. I've been obsessed with them for as long as I can remember and am quite comfortable with this.
Japan seems to have a similar love and understanding of this kink. As such here's a larger emphasis on panties\pantsu\panchira in JAV, even in movies that aren't specifically centred on this kink and a lot of the girls are in underwear for a long time before getting 'down to business'. I suspect this is a: Due to the panty culture mentioned above, and b: Due to the censorship laws, get as much action as possible out of a scene while the girl is still covered.

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I love to see the JAV girls in panties and showing their panties. It's so hot. Honestly there is no need for them to take it
off for me

_2old_ said:

I also find Western porn is just about getting naked as soon as possible and straight into the fucking. Not interested, it generally bores me, plus the artificially enhanced, tattooed, pierced look that has crept into Western porn over the last few years is a major turn off. I much prefer the natural look of the majority of JAV stars.

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I would say the abundance of tats and piercing snowballed in the 90's imo. It was there but went overboard quickly.

Western porn never had standard. It did in the early stages wanted beautiful girls, girls, girls on film and sleaze.
But drugs started creeping in and instead of stopping it the production embrace it. And that was the biggest mistakes.
With drugs and other changes came girls just having se*, no real scripts or attention to details.

Even old western porn directors had inspirations to make porn something more. But not anymore.
I have some old western porn and it's night and day to the stuff they made since the 90's.

It ruin the immersion for me when an actress is playing a schoolgirl, cheerleader, teacher, or wife
and she has tats and piercing everywhere.

The big difference I noticed between the two when I first started watching Jav was the almost continuous dialogue the males keep up during sex. IN western porn..once it has started in western porn, the guy says little or nothing whereas in JAV they often keep up some dialogue. Not understanding the language, I can only imagine he is asking her if she likes it, etc, but there is some verbal interaction between the two. I'm not saying a full blown conversation, but there is some verbal interchange in JAV which you normally do not see in western porn.

asianbooblover said:

The big difference I noticed between the two when I first started watching Jav was the almost continuous dialogue the males keep up during sex. IN western porn..once it has started in western porn, the guy says little or nothing whereas in JAV they often keep up some dialogue. Not understanding the language, I can only imagine he is asking her if she likes it, etc, but there is some verbal interaction between the two. I'm not saying a full blown conversation, but there is some verbal interchange in JAV which you normally do not see in western porn.

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You are correct. It's dialogue and some of it is the male actor genuinely asking if the actress ok, if she's ready for the next pose, can she move to a certain pose, etc. Some of it is actual unscripted dialogue given that some actors
know each other well because they work with each other before.

Also.. most know the #1 rule of JAV, protect the actress and don't overstep unless you are told or she tells you.
You are just the audience d***

ramp_it_up said:

The Weird thing about JAV is that I sometimes jack off to parts of the movie that aren't sex. I can seriously nut to the most bizarre shit in JAV, like an older man kissing a loli or a young man kissing an older woman. A partially nude woman just running across the room or just how nasty some of the titles are gets me hard like a dinosaur. I remember spending a whole day looking at movies from r18, just wondering how this is even produced. Jav has that kink to it.

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Taako said:

This happen to me on many occasion and I am not embarrassed because I feel that is also one of many reason JAV is the standard for porn and makes it popular.
You don't need "sex scene" to ejaculate with JAV like western porn because the stories is helping you.
Same with the covers, or the scenes it's incorporate.

If a movie have Hana Haruna on the cover with her big tits out and we know she's a teacher,
and the first sex scene isn't until almost 1 hour later, we are already anticipating how/why Hana is naked.

That led us to already getting excited. Not saying it will be a good movie or bad but we are ready lol

Western porn hasn't done that since the early 90's and that's generous.

And I miss r18 it really made searching and discovering new jav fun and easy.

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I can never get into no nonsense straight few sentence intro and into heavy action straight JAV. Somehow i think its the investiture that really get things going. When you get invested in their story , somehow the sexual tension get multiplied exponentially . So I couldn't agree more that with the right emotional investiture going , you actually need "less" hc action to get it on.
But in the back of my mind , this thought always scratch the back of my thoughts , why can't we have both?
Just imagine the 1970-1980s italian erotica with Edwige Fenech , Gloria Guida and real porn. Imo Italian 70-80s eros were way ahead of their times , even much more better than JAV themes nowadays. But well then wokesium came along...
And the general consensus nowadays,"Its porn , what you expect?" . Maybe in another alternate universe somewhere now , theme , story and porn have a great fusion , I would like to visit that

I also like how a person debuts, like a 90s WWF wrestler where they have some kind of job. Like I'm a baker but I need to make my creampie debut, and the first couple of movies mentions their job. They have uniforms and underneath is the hottest set of matching bra and panties

kessari said:

I can never get into no nonsense straight few sentence intro and into heavy action straight JAV. Somehow i think its the investiture that really get things going. When you get invested in their story , somehow the sexual tension get multiplied exponentially . So I couldn't agree more that with the right emotional investiture going , you actually need "less" hc action to get it on.

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Indeed.

ramp_it_up said:

I also like how a person debuts, like a 90s WWF wrestler where they have some kind of job. Like I'm a baker but I need to make my creampie debut, and the first couple of movies mentions their job. They have uniforms and underneath is the hottest set of matching bra and panties

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Never got into the 'debut' porn because most are made up. Like the biger bone girl claiming she was an class swimmer or something or the college basketball star' who can't even dribble a ball lol
I think it's cute to see them but you have to suspend belief.
Also now it seems we are getting multiple "debuts" from current porn stars due to them changing their names,
working for a new studio, or because they got some enhancements.

Been watching JAV for over 25 years now and it's vastly superior to anything America can make.

I personally love minimum actresses with a bush, greats like Nagase Ai from the early 2000's to Nagase Yui who unfortunately retired recently. Nagase Yui's ass was something else, with how slender she was she knew how to make it jiggle. Even non-minmum girls like Shiina Sora are absolutely drop dead gorgeous.

I prefer JAV though because I have a fetish for zettai ryouiki/thigh highs and cosplay and Japanese is rife with both in JAV.

If you want uncensored you can even find beautiful Japanese girls in the FC2 PPV stuff which being made just as fast as the movies are, they are more straight to the sex and less story.

Japan has the most slender girls with petite bodies and a large majority still don't shave their bush which I find incredibly attractive. That's the only reason I'm not a loli fan despite liking minimum actresses, the complete lack of a bush on 99% of lolis. Kagami Shuna's first movie with MUM was incredible because she didn't shave.

Also love how girls make a lot of slurping noises sucking cock. As a man who has slept with many Japanese women this is common with them, meanwhile Korean women it's not a common thing.