A question for women who watch JAV

[natsuxdragon]

What are your thoughts on it compared to western porn?

Do the treat Women better?

Is it better vanilla porn then the western gonzo style?

And why do you watch it?

 

[blackscarf]

Guess akiba-online is not a good place to start such thread. It's so fucking empty. But I will answer all of your questions (hoping you;re still following this stupid forum)

- JAV is kinda different compared to Western porn. Both are great but I like the first one better, due to the fact that there are more actresses/idols and they fit our standard (nice body, not many fake boobs, not many tanned skin, Asian face, more natural performance...)

- I can say it's much better.

- Read the first reason I wrote.

 

[jugulear]

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I wonder what turned you off to Akiba-Online, Blackscarf.

This is an ambitious thread, Natsuxdragon, because the female members may not be all that numerous. (Some interesting thoughts regarding female porn participation from the Akiba-Online's Worldwide Popularity thread.) The greatest female member I know of was Savajex, but she no longer comes by. You could try enticing Lulipa via PM to offer her thoughts on this thread, but she's not very talkative. (I see she may sometimes be confused with Lucidire.)

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[darksider59]

I'm also curious about what's wrong with Akiba ? I just visit the JAV discussion section (I should explore the forum more I know) but people are very friendly and always share good suggestions.

In Japan, from what I've seen in a short documentary, girls watch "JAV for women". It's normal as regular JAV are made for a male audience (blowjobs, POVs, a girl masturbating scene). Seeing a facial is not appealing for a girl, I'm sure (for "regular" girls). In high school, with female classmates, the masturbation topic always came on during the year (never as a serious topic but it was still talked) and they always basically said "do you like watching porn ?" (to guys in the group, there are always group of friends in classes). Of course they refered to US Porn and said girls are just fake boobed peaces of meat in those movies and it was disgusting.
I read somewhere that girls prefer to imagine rather than seeing a sex scene to masturbate (I don't know if it's true or not since I'm not a girl lol). In France, even female masturbation isn't a topic as open as male masturbation.

 

[Supmop]

I'm also curious about what's wrong with Akiba ? I just visit the JAV discussion section (I should explore the forum more I know) but people are very friendly and always share good suggestions.

In Japan, from what I've seen in a short documentary, girls watch "JAV for women". It's normal as regular JAV are made for a male audience (blowjobs, POVs, a girl masturbating scene). Seeing a facial is not appealing for a girl, I'm sure (for "regular" girls). In high school, with female classmates, the masturbation topic always came on during the year (never as a serious topic but it was still talked) and they always basically said "do you like watching porn ?" (to guys in the group, there are always group of friends in classes). Of course they refered to US Porn and said girls are just fake boobed peaces of meat in those movies and it was disgusting.
I read somewhere that girls prefer to imagine rather than seeing a sex scene to masturbate (I don't know if it's true or not since I'm not a girl lol). In France, even female masturbation isn't a topic as open as male masturbation.

like in many other adult / porn / JAV forums very rare to see active female members (real female), main reason is they don't want to get negative respons, and annoying messages

I remember my highschool days, the times when me and friends was disscussed about theories

yes most girls prefer to imagine than actually seeing a sex scene, but based from girls that I know some of them like to watch too, ofcourse they have different preferences than most males

and I found out something a bit confusing that some hetero / straight girls are comfortable to watch lesbian action, while we males only gay and bisex that comfortable watching homo action

 

[kharo88]

Yeah, many girls like to imagine a scene for themselves when masturbating, and yeah, there are those who watch porn. I knew one girl who said she only needed porn for the sound (like the couple moaning and stuff), so reasons obviously vary.

As for straight girls watching lesbian porn, I think it has to do with the fact that when it's a girl and a guy in porn, it's usually all about pleasing the guy, but when it's two girls, it's always about one of the girls at least, plus the fact that then there's always cunnilingus performed, which is obviously all about the girl. This is just a guess, though.

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I wonder what turned you off to Akiba-Online, Blackscarf.

I'm also curious about what's wrong with Akiba ?

Guess akiba-online is not a good place to start such thread. It's so fucking empty.

I think there's (at least part of) your answer, guys.

(I was originally going to say that the problem is obviously that Cyndi Wang is not allowed here as this forum is for Japanese idols only, but that would have been so predictable, wouldn't it?)

 

[Supmop]

As for straight girls watching lesbian porn, I think it has to do with the fact that when it's a girl and a guy in porn, it's usually all about pleasing the guy, but when it's two girls, it's always about one of the girls at least, plus the fact that then there's always cunnilingus performed, which is obviously all about the girl. This is just a guess, though.

from what I read, females are more likely be bisexual

http://www.advocate.com/bisexuality/2015/08/26/study-women-are-more-likely-be-bisexual-men
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/01/why-are-there-more-bisexual-women-than-bisexual-men/
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/07/health/bisexuality-on-the-rise/

in females population : majority are straight, second bisex, third lesbian
males : majority are straight, second gay, third bisex

and lesbian still can turn on, and have sex with male, so in porn we can see a lot females can have sex with both males and females

I agree with the bold text, I've heard some females said they doesn't like to watch porn because it too masculine, rough, females only used as sex object / slave, ecc. but now we already have porn for her, porn for female viewers, with more romantic and soft action, so I think more females will watch porn

 

[yesmissy]

Stumbled across this forum looking for some Japanese porn and thought I'd answer.

I like JAV because of the inventiveness of it. It's honestly sort of a "What will they think of next?!!" sort of thing. I also like how cute so many of the JAV girls are. I feel like they often more closely resemble myself as well which is cool.

I do not think women are treated any better in JAV compared to western porn but it doesn't matter much to me. I like more extreme stuff and I'm submissive in my own relationships so I actually like seeing girls being used sexually because then I can imagine myself in their place. I've been watching porn since I was 12 so I guess I've internalized how it portrays sex and don't really have a problem with it being the way it is. I know it turns me on and that's what matters.

I don't really think it's better I just think its different. I really like some western porn, I really like some Japanese porn. My ultimate favorite is amateur porn though.

As for girls tending to be bisexual, I think there IS something to that. I prefer guys for my partner. I don't want a girlfriend, I want a boyfriend. BUT, I do really like looking at naked girls. I think they're beautiful in way that a naked guy just isn't. And kissing girls and touching them and having them touch me is very fun.

I feel like I'm not bisexual but if I'm being completely honest I probably am a bit and I think that might be the case for a pretty big portion of other girls.

 

[darksider59]

and I found out something a bit confusing that some hetero / straight girls are comfortable to watch lesbian action, while we males only gay and bisex that comfortable watching homo action

I agree. I'm not comfortable watching homo action and I'm not turn on at all. BUT, curiously, if it's a transsexual who really looks like a girl, I can be exited.

When I saw the following guy (in a black dress) in this video (1:30), I would be okay to have sex, it can be an interesting experience.

 

[CoolKevin]

I'm also curious about what's wrong with Akiba ?

in what way are we wrong?
we do try to improve, and sometimes are it is to time consuming, but we do listen

 

[jugulear]

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Darksider59 was defending the goodness of Akiba-Online. It was Member Blackscarf who is turned off to A-O for some reason, and Darksider59 was joining me in asking Blackscarf what she meant. The few times I've read her posts, she has always struck me as an optimistic and spirited sort, so to see her frown seemed out-of-character. I hope she will be aware of this question and offer us enlightenment as to why she feels the way she does.

I would like to welcome brand new Member Yesmissy and thank her for the great post she has written (I guess writing this post is what moved her to hook up), and to encourage her to contribute her valuable voice, in the future. We are well aware female members rarely make themselves known, and I'm sure the rest of us will value Yesmissy, and those few of her wonderful gender who speak up around here, maybe just a tiny bit more. (Yes, there is sexism in porn, so get over it.)

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[Supmop]

I agree. I'm not comfortable watching homo action and I'm not turn on at all. BUT, curiously, if it's a transsexual who really looks like a girl, I can be exited.

When I saw the following guy (in a black dress) in this video (1:30), I would be okay to have sex, it can be an interesting experience.

yes, thats what I still can't understand, maybe I will never understand

we males still can be excited with the trans really looks like girl, but females can be excited with lesbian action who looks 100% like girls

 

[shinjiIII]

My girlfriend is an avid JAV watcher, however she's Japanese and so naturally watched JAV first. I did show her some western porn, and she thought that everything just seemed so ridiculous. She thinks that the way the women moan is absolutely hilarious.

 

[darksider59]

Well, when I look to some western porn now, I kinda have this feeling. Oversized dicks (even Asa Akira said it's painful in a itw), horrible fake boobs (well, there are still natural girls as Holly Michaels or Chanell Heart).

 

[lordsuperjesus]

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Darksider59 was defending the goodness of Akiba-Online. It was Member Blackscarf who is turned off to A-O for some reason, and Darksider59 was joining me in asking Blackscarf what she meant. The few times I've read her posts, she has always struck me as an optimistic and spirited sort, so to see her frown seemed out-of-character. I hope she will be aware of this question and offer us enlightenment as to why she feels the way she does.

I would like to welcome brand new Member Yesmissy and thank her for the great post she has written (I guess writing this post is what moved her to hook up), and to encourage her to contribute her valuable voice, in the future. We are well aware female members rarely make themselves known, and I'm sure the rest of us will value Yesmissy, and those few of her wonderful gender who speak up around here, maybe just a tiny bit more. (Yes, there is sexism in porn, so get over it.)

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ditto that duder, but i understand why a woman may not what to talk openly about any porn content. this is a site that's very very male focused and i would guess that many women would not what to drop a toe into it. i mean i have posted some vile shit here but i have never gone after known female members just for being female. i have talked about my thoughts on the fairer sex and how i think they are not as fair as we men think they are or want them to be. the very fact that porn is a thing speaks to that i think. but from what i have seen females are welcome here. it's sad that more don't comment as i'm sure that up to half of the users are female. but what can you do? all we can do is treat them the same as any other member. i know that's what i do. that and i'm sure that some members that we all think are male are really female and don't want to out themselves because they don't what the drama. you never know who is behind a username.

 

[pikuseru]

I think this video might help explain why some women aren't so eager for sexual discussions in public, especially in a place with so many men.

 

[yesmissy]

I think this video might help explain why some women aren't so eager for sexual discussions in public, especially in a place with so many men.

There's definitely some of that in it. I posted on another porn related forum once and had more than one person who basically wouldn't stop sending me pictures of their dick. I get similar behavior a lot of times on Reddit but they're a bit better behaved in general over there. at least where I usually post.

So just to clear things up. I don't actually want to see pictures of your dick. And I don't think most girls want that. We're here for the same reason you are. We wanted to see some pretty girls have sex. And to add to that I have a boyfriend that I'm very into and I'm generally monogamous so I'm not interested in your dick in any other ways either.

i have talked about my thoughts on the fairer sex and how i think they are not as fair as we men think they are or want them to be. the very fact that porn is a thing speaks to that i think.

I don't know the "vile shit" you're talking about but this is totally true. You would think as a girl who's into rougher crazier stuff that men would be falling over themselves to fulfill my dreams, but most guys get weirded out when you ask for that sort of stuff. Or they can't separate the rough sex from their feelings for you. The "good girl" they're in love with shouldn't want that kind of stuff or something which is just silly.

We're just as complicated and dirty and kinky as you guys are.

 

[lordsuperjesus]

I don't know the "vile shit" you're talking about but this is totally true. You would think as a girl who's into rougher crazier stuff that men would be falling over themselves to fulfill my dreams, but most guys get weirded out when you ask for that sort of stuff. Or they can't separate the rough sex from their feelings for you. The "good girl" they're in love with shouldn't want that kind of stuff or something which is just silly.

We're just as complicated and dirty and kinky as you guys are.

that's fucked up, it shitty that you get treated that way. it's like people don't know that sending your junk to people that didn't ask for it is rude and a crime.

to your second point, most men, (in the u.s anyway) are not OK with women that like the "rougher crazier stuff" as you put it. the society at large have told men that woman are forever victims and don't have the same drive for sex that men do. now i think that's bullshit but it's the meme out there. i'm a sadist, i like seeing women in submissive roles. i like the "rougher crazier stuff" you talked about. most men, i think want women to be clean pure beings that tame the dark urges they have. the meme is that women are not like men in that they don't have or understand the dark, dominate urges that some of us as men feel. i think that too is horseshit, women do understand it and most like it. like you said the "good girl" they're in love with shouldn't want that kind of stuff is how they feel. they are fools that don't understand that there is no such thing as a "good girl".

i think that men have become pussy's that no longer think or act as men. the dicks that sent you pics of they're junk are boys, not men. that's shit that boys do. the guys that don't understand that you are a sexual being just like them and can't separate the rough sex from their precious little "feelings" are pussy's. not men. it makes me upset that we have come to this point. but i'm a sadist that can only get off on women in submissive sexual roles so take what i say here with that in mind.

btw, the vile shit i have said here on this forum has alot to do with me being a sadist and my thoughts about sex, power and control that stem from that. some may see it as vile, i believe many in this feminized society do. i think that many would paint me as a monster for being a sexual sadist and i'm alright with that. i own it.

 

[yesmissy]

I do think men are often afraid of enjoying rough sex with a girl. I guess it's partly feminisms to blame but I'm not sure that's entirely true. I mean, I'm a feminist in the sense that I'm just as capable mentally as any man and I think we should get paid just as well and that sort of thing.

But there are differences between the sexes. We are usually physically weaker and it wasn't that long ago really that the strongest man in any group was just taking and fucking whatever girl he wanted as he pleased.

And I think there's a lot of sexual crap all wrapped up into what we like as a result of that.

In a truly feminist sense I should be free to prefer being treated roughly when it comes to sex and men shouldn't be all, "no you're too precious" or whatever. And it doesn't mean I'm broken or was abused or whatever. I'm rambling and not making much sense I think.

I think we as a society we give men plenty of agency to be into sex but we don't do the same for women.

Women who are into sex are looked at badly. It's one of the reasons I never use my real name when I talk about sex on the internet. I LOVE sex, I love talking sex, and I like pretty kinky shit.

But if my friends or family knew that about me I might die of embarrassment and it would probably cause me problems in life.

Guys are lucky in the sense that it's just sort of expected that they're into it and that they like porn or whatever.

I mentioned I've been watching porn since I was 12. Probably not all that different from a lot of you. But as a girl I was always very scared of being found out. What would my mom think? But that gets back to it again. Even at 12 I knew there was something I liked about watching those girls serve and be used and abused by those men. And I naturally gravitated towards harder and harder porn. I don't think society likes to admit but girls aren't any different from guys. We're both curious about sex and fascinated and turned on whatever age we discover that sort of thing.

That gif of the girl being slapped is awesome by the way. I can't properly describe it but getting slapped by a man is such a huge adrenaline rush. It's pretty amazing. You can almost see the endorphins hit her a seconds after he slaps her that first time.

 

[lordsuperjesus]

@yesmissy your not rambling and you are making alot of sense. i know that feeling. it's hard to put these things into words. the vocabulary to talk about this stuff is very thin.

it's not a feminist thing to want equal pay for equal work. that is just plain wanting whats right. that's what i want but not for just women. i want that for everyone. i hate feminism. it's feminized society to a point that things have gone too far. i thing that woman are capable mentally as any man but we are not the same as you said. we want very different things from life and get those things in very different ways. it's not better or worse, just different.

i was 8 when i first found out about porn and i was scared of being found out too. i don't think that feeling you felt had anything to do with you being a girl and not a boy it's about being a kid thats doing something that you know your not suppose to do. feminism make something that i'm sure just about everyone reading this felt, gendered. that's why i hate it. somethings are gendered, but somethings are not and feminism says EVERYTHING is gendered. that life it's self is gendered. that's wrong i think. reading what you said i can say i felt alot of the same things but i wanted to abuse and be served by the women as you felt that you wanted to be abused and serve like them. there is no shame in that. that's not gendered. lots of young boys felt what you did watching those kinds of things just like many young girls felt what i did.

now i feel like i'm rambling.

to me, sex is about control and power. it's about willing submission. the willingness to serve. the need to serve even if to serve means to be abused and humiliated. the pain is the goal and the pain can make some people feel whole and complete. in a feminized society girls like you and men like me are at odds with the meme of the times. do i want to return to a world of might makes right? a world of "the strong do what they will and the weak take what they must"? no. thats a shitty world but that is in us. it's a part of what makes us human and it's a part of sex. i'm a odd bird even in the BDSM scene in the city i live in. my focus on the willing slave and the caring master is not mainstream. but i feel it's the art of submission at it's purist. if you look at what i want, what i need, thru a feminist lens then they would say i want all women to be slaves to lust. no, i want those willing to serve, those that need to serve to feel whole, those that feel that standing is a burden (and they are out there) to kneel, of their own free will. to serve by their own free will. that's true submission. to be a willing slave. to willingly serve and know what that means. that, to me is the highest form of love. self sacrifice. i hate feminism because that kind of sexual self sacrifice is seen as evil to those that adhere to it and not the deep love that one needs to have in themselves to do that and the bond of trust that something like that is built on. you see, i really do think that submissive's have so much love in them. that's the hole that they are trying to fill. all the sub's i have dealt with were just looking for someone to give all that love inside them to and to feel needed. to be needed.

i'm i making any damn sense? it's hard to tell sometimes. i'm crazy i know but it's what i think. i'm sorry for the long post that was all over the place.