http://www.nownews.com/n/2016/06/08/2127865
She changed her name to Mari Inoue and listed herself online. 2 hours of sex for 70k yen.
She changed her name to Mari Inoue and listed herself online. 2 hours of sex for 70k yen.
Ex-AKB48 trainee and AV idol Risa Tachibana becomes a prostitute?
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That's sad. It's like her life stopped at 17. I know that is a common story with prostitutes. Maybe JAV is not so different.
Hmmpf... I was getting excited about the headline. But read carefully:
http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/0...ex-akb48-member-working-at-tokyo-sex-service/
Seems a lot of hot air, might even be a shrill for the call girl agency. Look, how big a celebrity is she? A trainee for not even a full year. We aren't talking about understudies for Broadway show competing for only 10-50 on-stage roles. AKB48 has over 100 members in multiple teams with high turnover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_members_of_AKB48) AND other affiliated groups such as SKE48 ... so there are probably half a thousand spots and she didn't make it. Pretty generous to call her former AKB48 member, as if it's like Taylor Swift posing for Playboy.
Change name, on to AV career. Right, SOD Star, quite a gaudy entry to the scene. 6 vids in 6 months, that's a pretty brief career. Not sure how well those vids sold (the Chinese page claimed she blew the competitors out of the water, I take that as hyperbole) but from my chair, she's just one of endless series of hot girls who had short stints in AV.
Change name, on to delivery health, allegedly. The real deal? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth all the hot air? The number of unsuccessful trainees for popular/variety act is huge. The number of girls who had short stint in AV is also huge. Remember there was a report, 40% of Japanese women had at least once worked in adult entertainment or sex trade.
For one woman to cross all three, yeah maybe uncommon. But really I would not be surprised if it had happened before just that no one noticed or bother to splash it on page 156 of some 4th ranked weekly tabloid. How likely the delivery health agency ("Ell") gave some favor to the magazine to publish the story? I'd say 80% chance.
And the r***, without seeing the original source, it could be another making something out of nothing shrill bit. The English word "r***" is a catch-all word that covers anything from a serious crime causing "her life stopped at 17" to a seduction that involved a little coercion. If you take that definition of "r***" then probably 80% of Japanese women (non-virgins) were r***ing at some point. What might be categorized as "r***" can be as painful and as serious as a teenage boy get beaten up by bigger boys and getting a bloody nose. Hurts for a few days, mental burden for a couple years maybe, but not "life stopped".
http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/0...ex-akb48-member-working-at-tokyo-sex-service/
Seems a lot of hot air, might even be a shrill for the call girl agency. Look, how big a celebrity is she? A trainee for not even a full year. We aren't talking about understudies for Broadway show competing for only 10-50 on-stage roles. AKB48 has over 100 members in multiple teams with high turnover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_members_of_AKB48) AND other affiliated groups such as SKE48 ... so there are probably half a thousand spots and she didn't make it. Pretty generous to call her former AKB48 member, as if it's like Taylor Swift posing for Playboy.
Change name, on to AV career. Right, SOD Star, quite a gaudy entry to the scene. 6 vids in 6 months, that's a pretty brief career. Not sure how well those vids sold (the Chinese page claimed she blew the competitors out of the water, I take that as hyperbole) but from my chair, she's just one of endless series of hot girls who had short stints in AV.
Change name, on to delivery health, allegedly. The real deal? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth all the hot air? The number of unsuccessful trainees for popular/variety act is huge. The number of girls who had short stint in AV is also huge. Remember there was a report, 40% of Japanese women had at least once worked in adult entertainment or sex trade.
For one woman to cross all three, yeah maybe uncommon. But really I would not be surprised if it had happened before just that no one noticed or bother to splash it on page 156 of some 4th ranked weekly tabloid. How likely the delivery health agency ("Ell") gave some favor to the magazine to publish the story? I'd say 80% chance.
And the r***, without seeing the original source, it could be another making something out of nothing shrill bit. The English word "r***" is a catch-all word that covers anything from a serious crime causing "her life stopped at 17" to a seduction that involved a little coercion. If you take that definition of "r***" then probably 80% of Japanese women (non-virgins) were r***ing at some point. What might be categorized as "r***" can be as painful and as serious as a teenage boy get beaten up by bigger boys and getting a bloody nose. Hurts for a few days, mental burden for a couple years maybe, but not "life stopped".
I wonder why she left the JAV industry with so few films under her belt for this seemingly less financially viable way of selling her sexuality~
so on that aspect she spoke about it in her debut video, i don't know the exact translation but here's this http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2013/0...akamatsu-not-as-scandalous-as-sex-in-showbiz/
"I do not have any positive memories regarding sex,” she says. “If I can become comfortable with sex it may change my views of men. My personality of turning my back (to people) may also change a little.”
Her negative views of intimacy and men go back to her first encounter. At the age of 17, a course of events led her to be taken to a love hotel by an older acquaintance she really did not know or care for. “He forced himself on me violently,” she says.
she left abruptly i remember, she had a bondage video coming out, and it was abruptly canceled, and film from that was added to her retirement video so I would assume something occurred that caused them to cancel, and her to abruptly retire.
Yes yes it's a crime, it's a bad thing. The question is how bad is it. The circumstances of how it's brought up and what the public should take from it.
Or... as implied earlier in the thread: the r*** caused her down a dark path in her life and now she's a high class whore because of it?
This kind of thing is far more common than you'd think. I personally know more than 3 women (in Asia and N. America) who told me something very similar. And honestly I don't have women confiding secrets to me every day, so there are very likely many more who don't want to tell a classmate or coworker (me) such things. This explain why you hear such horrific statistics that like majority of Japanese women had experience sexual assault.
She disclose that r*** only 3 years after the fact, definitely not past statue of limitation. If she and/or the police truly believe "there is not much ambiguity", they should definitely arrest that "older acquaintance" and charge him with r***. There should be an investigation and court trial and shake it all out.
In reality, Japanese police would never investigate any less-than-fully-consensual sex inside a love hotel. Unless there's obvious injury, like a knife wound or broken bone. With the Japaneses police, and same for many peoples in many culture. There is ... ok... maybe not ambiguity. But there's a legal definition of r*** and the "common sense/real world" definition of r***.
Sometimes the resolution of a "r***" isn't arrest and imprisonment. It still happens that the most satisfactory outcome is the r**ist is made to marry the victim. And it's even possible they live happily ever after. Of course it's not an option if the r**ist is an "older acquaintance" (and I won't be too surprised if the "older acquaintance" has something to do the entertainment business).
Bottomline, the kind of "r*** in a love hotel" happens everyday (I mean literally), it's a bad thing I fully agree. But it's not an explanation that Miss Takamatsu/Tachibana/Inoue end up a prostitute. And a prostitute charging 800k yens for two hours, I have no pity, only envy for her. The other day I got a consultancy offer, US$450 for every two hours, best rate I ever got. I was so happy and proud of myself. So someone half my age making 17 times more money, I am envious.
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Clicking around: http://hentaitokyo.com/event.html
So 30k Yens for 90 mins with a small name AV idol. Pretty ok price. Actually it's exactly same price for the regular (non AV) girls.
That website is super helpful, super clear about what's allowed, what's not. E.g. kissing and finger fucking is part of standard service (elsewhere kissing is no no). There's a price for blowjob (no condom??) with swallowing and anal fuck. But penis in pussy is "illegal".
And what's most intriguing, 3P is only 5000 Yens... I don't think that's real... perhaps you have to pay both girls each for her fee and 5000 Yens extra for the 3P experience.
Seems it's really not a big deal to hire sexual service (just not normal penis-in-pussy sex!!) provided by an AV performer. It's just usually more hush hush and unknown/unavailable to foreigners, except the rare occasions that one shows up on a foreigner friendly service or splashed by tabloid magazine.
So 30k Yens for 90 mins with a small name AV idol. Pretty ok price. Actually it's exactly same price for the regular (non AV) girls.
That website is super helpful, super clear about what's allowed, what's not. E.g. kissing and finger fucking is part of standard service (elsewhere kissing is no no). There's a price for blowjob (no condom??) with swallowing and anal fuck. But penis in pussy is "illegal".
And what's most intriguing, 3P is only 5000 Yens... I don't think that's real... perhaps you have to pay both girls each for her fee and 5000 Yens extra for the 3P experience.
Seems it's really not a big deal to hire sexual service (just not normal penis-in-pussy sex!!) provided by an AV performer. It's just usually more hush hush and unknown/unavailable to foreigners, except the rare occasions that one shows up on a foreigner friendly service or splashed by tabloid magazine.
^ kind of back to your older point, have you seen the crap going on with Marks Japan? http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/0...ed-for-forcing-women-to-perform-as-actresses/
At some point regulations in the AV, and Idol industry needs to pop up
At some point regulations in the AV, and Idol industry needs to pop up
Not nice, not nice. But am I shocked? No.
It's the sex industry, do you think it's like working as kindergarten teachers? It's always been like this, in Japan and everywhere. And all times. What's changing is perhaps modern Japanese women are getting brave enough to go to the police or talk to reporters. Perhaps the adult industry is experiencing economic slide so they are pushing the envelop, or perhaps the police and government is tightening up the sex industry to distract public from real issues/pass the blame to moral issue.
What's unique about Japan is that AV and sex industry and just extra-marital sex seems not-big-deal that the case with Marks Japan is the exception. Almost everywhere else, you simply by default assume 99.9% of women in sex industry was involved in some kind of exploitation and abuse.
When I spend money as a consumer in the sex industry, I'm not unaware most of the women were involved in some less-than-ideal situations.
Take this report you mentioned.... there's this shocker of a sub-heading
... wow, parachute in the UN peacekeepers, drone strikes Libya-style! Oh wait... it's just “pay the contract violation fees”, “I’ll tell your parents.” "woman facing significant financial penalties". Hmm exploitation yes, dishonest dishonorable yes, Guantanamo Bay it is not.
I am concerned companies like Marks Japan keep giving the industry bad publicity then the flow of pretty girls to the industry may be affected. But about my spending and consumption habits, about taking pleasure of these women's work, I am not feeling any guilt at all.
What's really F***ED up is (ahem let me put on my socialist hat) the regressive state of gender politics in Japan. Japanese women have a low status and distressed all their life. But it's problem of whole society, it's not especially bad in AV or hostess or sex industry. I don't buy this shrill crap human right this exploitation that come out of Christian-controlled NGO and sensationalistic tabloids.
It's the sex industry, do you think it's like working as kindergarten teachers? It's always been like this, in Japan and everywhere. And all times. What's changing is perhaps modern Japanese women are getting brave enough to go to the police or talk to reporters. Perhaps the adult industry is experiencing economic slide so they are pushing the envelop, or perhaps the police and government is tightening up the sex industry to distract public from real issues/pass the blame to moral issue.
What's unique about Japan is that AV and sex industry and just extra-marital sex seems not-big-deal that the case with Marks Japan is the exception. Almost everywhere else, you simply by default assume 99.9% of women in sex industry was involved in some kind of exploitation and abuse.
When I spend money as a consumer in the sex industry, I'm not unaware most of the women were involved in some less-than-ideal situations.
Take this report you mentioned.... there's this shocker of a sub-heading
... wow, parachute in the UN peacekeepers, drone strikes Libya-style! Oh wait... it's just “pay the contract violation fees”, “I’ll tell your parents.” "woman facing significant financial penalties". Hmm exploitation yes, dishonest dishonorable yes, Guantanamo Bay it is not. I am concerned companies like Marks Japan keep giving the industry bad publicity then the flow of pretty girls to the industry may be affected. But about my spending and consumption habits, about taking pleasure of these women's work, I am not feeling any guilt at all.
What's really F***ED up is (ahem let me put on my socialist hat) the regressive state of gender politics in Japan. Japanese women have a low status and distressed all their life. But it's problem of whole society, it's not especially bad in AV or hostess or sex industry. I don't buy this shrill crap human right this exploitation that come out of Christian-controlled NGO and sensationalistic tabloids.
come on, lets not fool ourselves here. this is sex work and sex work is a dirty business where some people get abused. it's full of broken women and men that don't give two fucks about them. this shit happens all the time. the money, your money to be real about it, pays to shut them up.
if that makes you feel bad then don't watch the vids or pay into the system. don't feed the beast. but lets not kid ourselves and say that r***, abuse, forced drug use, beatings and forced work is not happening. it is. we can debate about how much it's happening, sure. but it's a part of the deal. it's baked into the pie. it always has been.
women that care about themselves DON'T DO THIS KIND OF WORK. women that feel they have skills or a future or any worth at all outside being pretty and/or good at fucking don't do this kind of work. anywhere. the states, japan, the UK, anywhere. almost all women doing porn are doing it for one reason and one reason only. they feel hopeless about their life.
if there is anything to say about jav, it is that so many young Japanese women feel themselves so low that sex work is not below them. what about the stats I've seen that 1 in 5 young women in tokyo have at some point been involved in the sex trade? what does that say about that culture? what does it say about how women there feel about their future? what is it like to be a young pretty girl in a aging, slowly dying country that's been on the brink of collapse since the day you were born? (if you are under 20 in japan you were born well after the 80's bubble popped.)
i feel like there is a interesting conversation to be had here about sex work, the dark side of human desire, abuse and why so many young women of child bearing age are doing porn and not saving the state from an ageing crisis that only they can stop no matter how much the state wants them to. i mean, whats up with that?
i'm not saying that the state of things is right or that I'm fine with it. I'm just saying that it is that way and we all know it. porn is made by broken, hopeless women and men with a lot of money and no morals that want to fuck beautiful, mentally unstable women and make even more money.
we all know this. there are better and deeper conversations to be had here, like why it seems that no one cares about those
no matter how clear it is that they really happen all the damn time. whats the deal with that?
if that makes you feel bad then don't watch the vids or pay into the system. don't feed the beast. but lets not kid ourselves and say that r***, abuse, forced drug use, beatings and forced work is not happening. it is. we can debate about how much it's happening, sure. but it's a part of the deal. it's baked into the pie. it always has been.
women that care about themselves DON'T DO THIS KIND OF WORK. women that feel they have skills or a future or any worth at all outside being pretty and/or good at fucking don't do this kind of work. anywhere. the states, japan, the UK, anywhere. almost all women doing porn are doing it for one reason and one reason only. they feel hopeless about their life.
if there is anything to say about jav, it is that so many young Japanese women feel themselves so low that sex work is not below them. what about the stats I've seen that 1 in 5 young women in tokyo have at some point been involved in the sex trade? what does that say about that culture? what does it say about how women there feel about their future? what is it like to be a young pretty girl in a aging, slowly dying country that's been on the brink of collapse since the day you were born? (if you are under 20 in japan you were born well after the 80's bubble popped.)
i feel like there is a interesting conversation to be had here about sex work, the dark side of human desire, abuse and why so many young women of child bearing age are doing porn and not saving the state from an ageing crisis that only they can stop no matter how much the state wants them to. i mean, whats up with that?
i'm not saying that the state of things is right or that I'm fine with it. I'm just saying that it is that way and we all know it. porn is made by broken, hopeless women and men with a lot of money and no morals that want to fuck beautiful, mentally unstable women and make even more money.
we all know this. there are better and deeper conversations to be had here, like why it seems that no one cares about those
no matter how clear it is that they really happen all the damn time. whats the deal with that?
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There are women in porn who genuinely enjoy it. There's more attention in porn compared to prostitution. More fame, attention, more glitz, glamour. And let's not forget about amateur porn, regular people, regular couples, making their own porn just for fun. Porn may have some overlap with prostitution but it's not 100% the same.
Like the girl in your avatar and profile picture, lordsuperjesus. Watching that video, it is probably obvious she was really enjoying herself. Like, a lot. I get that feeling from a few other porn videos too. It's not common to see, but such women are out there.
And let's not forget, women are consumers of porn too. It's not just men.
Like the girl in your avatar and profile picture, lordsuperjesus. Watching that video, it is probably obvious she was really enjoying herself. Like, a lot. I get that feeling from a few other porn videos too. It's not common to see, but such women are out there.
And let's not forget, women are consumers of porn too. It's not just men.
@paparoach408
it's still hard to imagine what that might have been... I haven't watched her much but she seems quite pretty, can't imagine the industry being all "we don't want you". So if it were here saying it was too much, that'd make sense, but I wouldn't imagine she'd follow that decision with prostitution.
Odd. A mystery, if you will.
it's still hard to imagine what that might have been... I haven't watched her much but she seems quite pretty, can't imagine the industry being all "we don't want you". So if it were here saying it was too much, that'd make sense, but I wouldn't imagine she'd follow that decision with prostitution.
Odd. A mystery, if you will.
sure, your right, miki-chan ( one of the girls in my sig) seems to loves swallowing hot jizz. not every porn star is mentally unstable but a lot are, more then a few. and yes lots of women watch porn but all the data i've seen shows clearly that they watch DIFFERENT types of porn then men do. women don't watch the kind of gross hardcore fuck-fests in the same numbers that men do. but you know, i don't really see the point you are trying to make. that some women like watching porn? yeah, so what? that some women enjoy the fame that comes from being a whore and having the whole world know? yep, but is that a good thing? one of the things i was trying to get at was that i wonder how women that record themselves performing sex acts for profit feel about them self and their life. do they feel loved? did they feel loved before they started sex work? i'm all for a legal sex trade. it's safer for the workers and it lowers the price of pussy for non-john's and john's alike. that and it would kill the porn biz overnight. why pay for a vid of something you can just go do?
but i really don't see the line between porn and prostitution. it's all fucking for money. the only change is the camera being on and the intent to sell the video.
my point was not that porn is a net evil in the world (not that i care if it was) but that abuse happens in porn and that mental health problems are abound in porn. lets not act like that's not the case.
and hey @pikuseru i'm not trying to come at your head here. it's just that i really don't see what you were getting at. that's all.
I never said there is a line between prostitution and porn. I explicitly said there is overlap.
I never once said there is no mental illness or abused women in porn. After all, this thread is about Risa Tachibana, who got r***ing when she was 17. Did you read what I said about that?
Some women enjoy the fame that comes from being a whore? Most whores are not famous. Only porn stars are famous. Porn is public. The camera. Prostitution is underground.
All prostitution is fucking for money. Not all porn is made for money, otherwise we wouldn't have much amateur porn. Sometimes women make porn just for fun. Because they like porn.
Honestly, I didn't expect any controversy about my post. Maybe I have cleared things up.