Girls have a meltdown, because it's too rough

[ThatsTheWay]

Are there cases in JAV porn, where girls couldn't continue a shooting and had to take a break or left the shooting completely and refuse to take part in it anymore? Are there JAV porn movies with that or leaked outtakes?

The reason for backing out or refusing to end the scene could be that the girl was overconfident and thought she could perform in a really rough/ fucked up scene, but was mentally or physically not able to continue. Or was being just extreme grossed out by the scene, because of scat, sperm, ...

I ask this because in US porn, there are multiple cases where the woman just couldn't continue, and they had to stop the shooting. There are even films which show girls having a mental meltdown. Or rough scenes where you can see the girl has a really bad time, and then it ends abruptly and afterwards the actress conforms that she could not handle it physically or mentally.

And in JAV porn there are so much more extreme things than in US porn, ex.: extreme bukkake with multiple throw up, scat, insects, r***-play. But I never saw a girl backing down or even be really disgusted by it. They take everything that comes their way like a champ, no matter how fucked up it is. Did I just watch too little JAV or is that really not existent?

I'm really into JAV, because it's so different to mainstream western porn. But I'm relatively new to it, so every insight into JAV and the background is appreciated.

 

[cooldukeke]

i personally think everything is scripted to begin with, i remember there was some cases back in the day where some actress got tortured for real and ended up real bad or something, so i think now they won't and can't do to the point where they continue even the girl wants to stop, especially when the girls all have their agency broker following them to the scene, also those rough scenes we see, most of them are cut and edited to join together, so yes, the girls had rest in the middle of changing position etc
so to the western porn, i too believe that is scripted, this is all to fulfil the fantasy of our men egoism

come to think of it this way, why would a studio wants to make the actress bail and unable to finish the shooting & quit shooting future videos when its all about money making?

 

[maload]

there is something there .

but no one tell the story and when actress told her story then ....guru here and on the net said that she liars.

there is actress who fight for thier own right and now there is laws about it .
its prove that there is something happen there ...... and lots of actress dont like it .

o if you want a movies when women cry when they do creampies then you can watched nao ayukawa s movies.

she cry and run away form the place ....
someone will said its movies anyway ... me too .

 

[Gear9]

In case of gokkun there are multiple scenes where the girl just said sorry to the male actors and told the staff that she can't continue with the scene because of reasons like stomach ache, nausea etc.
One such example is IPSD-047 of ai Uehara where she wasn't able to complete the number specified in the contract and had to stop in the middle

 

[Gear9]

there is something there .

but no one tell the story and when actress told her story then ....guru here and on the net said that she liars.

there is actress who fight for thier own right and now there is laws about it .
its prove that there is something happen there ...... and lots of actress dont like it .

o if you want a movies when women cry when they do creampies then you can watched nao ayukawa s movies.

she cry and run away form the place ....
someone will said its movies anyway ... me too .

True, ever since 2015 I think, there are strict laws that makes all the studios to disclose in a contract what she will undergo in a AV and tho not related to the thread, they also need to mention the total amount the studio will be handing over to the actress' agency and the cut she will be getting from it. If abuse of power by studio wasn't there, there wouldn't have been the need of these laws in the first place and neither would have there existed such a large cesspool of old and bizarre jav.

 

[ThatsTheWay]

i personally think everything is scripted to begin with, i remember there was some cases back in the day where some actress got tortured for real and ended up real bad or something, so i think now they won't and can't do to the point where they continue even the girl wants to stop, especially when the girls all have their agency broker following them to the scene, also those rough scenes we see, most of them are cut and edited to join together, so yes, the girls had rest in the middle of changing position etc
so to the western porn, i too believe that is scripted, this is all to fulfil the fantasy of our men egoism

come to think of it this way, why would a studio wants to make the actress bail and unable to finish the shooting & quit shooting future videos when its all about money making?

I agree with you that a lot is scripted in porn, but most definitely not everything. In the JAV genre I never stumbled over this, but in hardcore movies from the US it happens from time to time. And in many cases it's pretty safe to assume the girls don't fake it, but just can't handle the pain, humiliation, etc.

I don't know how familiar you are with US porn, so I have just 3 examples for what I mean. I don't know if it's allowed to post links to videos on this side, so I just describe it in a way that everyone can find it. For questions DM me.

1. Billie Jo had a scene with Rob Diesel. He is really rough with her from the beginning, and she has to push him away multiple times or at least tries to, but he doesn't care. Honestly that looks like way out of her comfort zone. Maybe that's just her thing and if she was truly hurting she would have used a safe word. Yeah, she never uses it, so maybe that's just a bad example.
2. Allie James had an scene with Rocco Siffredi (look on Google for "Rocco Siffredi stretching Allie James asshole til she cries hard" and you find it). She is on her knees and hands and gets really hard fucked in her ass. From the start you can see she is in pain, but she takes it. After 2 mins or so, she cries and begs him to stop, but forgot her safe word "red". He stops, and she has 15 seconds to get it together until the scene continuous. I think we can agree that she reached her limit in that scene, and I highly doubt this was scripted. Like in the normal world, safe words are common if you do extreme stuff, and sometimes pornstars just can't handle what's going on. In the most cases, the use of safe words will just be cut out, so we mostly don't see the girls breaking.
3. The last and strongest argument for my point are porn series like "facial abuse", "ghettogaggers", "abuse her", etc. Just look at their stuff. These C-Pornstars can't act to be that distressed, in tears and near breaking down. Apparently they only get their money if they do the facial in the end (i read in a forum) and multiple actresses just quit with only 30 minutes to go without having the will to carry on, to get their money. That can't be scripted, that's just sexual humiliation at it's worst. I think even the most popular hardcore pornstars would be near their breaking point during this.

If you look for stuff like that, you will also find threads on other sites which list scenes like that from US porn. But I never ever read similar things about JAV. Even so JAV seems much more extreme in regard to Gokkun / Bukkake, puke-play and scat. For me it looks like JAV girls just don't stop when they started a scene and I jet don't understand why. Maybe they just don't dare to speak up, and it's a cultural thing, or they have a better communication with the producer and their boundaries are respected. Either way I'm amazed how good JAV girls handle pain, degradation and humiliation. But I like to see the human side of actresses in porn and it just seems a little bit unreal how they just don't have a breaking point where it all becomes too much.

Sorry for the long response, but maybe there are good informed people, who can help me.

 

[Gear9]

There's a whole video on a website which compiles the gokkun thing and in most of the Avs mentioned there, the girl was in discomfort and didn't want to proceed with the shoot.

Google "cum regret Japanese edition" for the video

 

[ding73ding]

Are there cases in JAV porn, where girls couldn't continue a shooting and had to take a break or left the shooting completely and refuse to take part in it anymore? Are there JAV porn movies with that or leaked outtakes?

The reason for backing out or refusing to end the scene could be that the girl was overconfident and thought she could perform in a really rough/ fucked up scene, but was mentally or physically not able to continue. Or was being just extreme grossed out by the scene, because of scat, sperm, ...

I ask this because in US porn, there are multiple cases where the woman just couldn't continue, and they had to stop the shooting. There are even films which show girls having a mental meltdown. Or rough scenes where you can see the girl has a really bad time, and then it ends abruptly and afterwards the actress conforms that she could not handle it physically or mentally.

And in JAV porn there are so much more extreme things than in US porn, ex.: extreme bukkake with multiple throw up, scat, insects, r***-play. But I never saw a girl backing down or even be really disgusted by it. They take everything that comes their way like a champ, no matter how fucked up it is. Did I just watch too little JAV or is that really not existent?

I'm really into JAV, because it's so different to mainstream western porn. But I'm relatively new to it, so every insight into JAV and the background is appreciated.

You should check out
AVOP-117 100 Men Creampie 2015 Absolute Impregnation School and various post I and others wrote specifically about Aika's emotional break down. It wasn't even anything hardcore or extreme (it just come into my head to look for subs for the vid, too bad, not in my collection, would be an epic translation job).

In general, I think a girl needing a break in the middle of a scene is quite common, industry people talk about studios and directors mentally keep check of performers who can very efficient complete each scene and needing minimal break time between scenes, versus those performers who frequently interrupt a production because of whatever reasons. Of course it's a sliding scale, if her DVD sells well, she get a lot of accommodation by the production team.

But these interruptions are considered as behind the scene, never going to be seen by the fans. Industry always talk about bad scenario if a girl couldn't continue and walked off, and caused the cancellation of the production. Of course we never hear about any specific cases, and if the studio is lucky and she made at least one completed scene before walking off, that footage might be repackaged into another video, say a web-only vid or a fake-amateur compilation title. But more likely that day's footage is just wasted. I am sure there are even cases a girl walked off and never come back to JAV industry again.

Oh now I remember Hamasaki also had a terrible break down during (or after?) an anal production. CESD-388 Anal Un-banned Mao Hamasaki

These are two very very rare case these "how the sausage is made" scenes come to light.

 

[Gear9]

You should check out
AVOP-117 100 Men Creampie 2015 Absolute Impregnation School and various post I and others wrote specifically about Aika's emotional break down. It wasn't even anything hardcore or extreme (it just come into my head to look for subs for the vid, too bad, not in my collection, would be an epic translation job).

In general, I think a girl needing a break in the middle of a scene is quite common, industry people talk about studios and directors mentally keep check of performers who can very efficient complete each scene and needing minimal break time between scenes, versus those performers who frequently interrupt a production because of whatever reasons. Of course it's a sliding scale, if her DVD sells well, she get a lot of accommodation by the production team.

But these interruptions are considered as behind the scene, never going to be seen by the fans. Industry always talk about bad scenario if a girl couldn't continue and walked off, and caused the cancellation of the production. Of course we never hear about any specific cases, and if the studio is lucky and she made at least one completed scene before walking off, that footage might be repackaged into another video, say a web-only vid or a fake-amateur compilation title. But more likely that day's footage is just wasted. I am sure there are even cases a girl walked off and never come back to JAV industry again.

Oh now I remember Hamasaki also had a terrible break down during (or after?) an anal production. CESD-388 Anal Un-banned Mao Hamasaki

These are two very very rare case these "how the sausage is made" scenes come to light.

I think another girl shiina sora did a similar shoot under the same title, but he video for some reason was cancelled and never saw the light of the day, only thing we got was a photo of Nao Masaki comforting shiina after a rough shoot.

 

[cooldukeke]

True, ever since 2015 I think, there are strict laws that makes all the studios to disclose in a contract what she will undergo in a AV and tho not related to the thread, they also need to mention the total amount the studio will be handing over to the actress' agency and the cut she will be getting from it. If abuse of power by studio wasn't there, there wouldn't have been the need of these laws in the first place and neither would have there existed such a large cesspool of old and bizarre jav.

yea...thats why i remember there was cases like that happened before, so now they do have laws eh? i also remember they released the video too back in the days, then some actresses came up and sue or something?

 

[hoochimama]

so to the western porn, i too believe that is scripted, this is all to fulfil the fantasy of our men egoism

come to think of it this way, why would a studio wants to make the actress bail and unable to finish the shooting & quit shooting future videos when its all about money making?

I believe a lot of the meltdowns on western sites like facialabuse.com are real. The humiliation and potential meltdown are the sellers, not necessarily the roughness of the sex. They usually choose porn newbies who don't know any better for these scenes and will often end up quitting porn after that experience.

 

[ThatsTheWay]

You should check out
AVOP-117 100 Men Creampie 2015 Absolute Impregnation School and various post I and others wrote specifically about Aika's emotional break down. It wasn't even anything hardcore or extreme (it just come into my head to look for subs for the vid, too bad, not in my collection, would be an epic translation job).

In general, I think a girl needing a break in the middle of a scene is quite common, industry people talk about studios and directors mentally keep check of performers who can very efficient complete each scene and needing minimal break time between scenes, versus those performers who frequently interrupt a production because of whatever reasons. Of course it's a sliding scale, if her DVD sells well, she get a lot of accommodation by the production team.

But these interruptions are considered as behind the scene, never going to be seen by the fans. Industry always talk about bad scenario if a girl couldn't continue and walked off, and caused the cancellation of the production. Of course we never hear about any specific cases, and if the studio is lucky and she made at least one completed scene before walking off, that footage might be repackaged into another video, say a web-only vid or a fake-amateur compilation title. But more likely that day's footage is just wasted. I am sure there are even cases a girl walked off and never come back to JAV industry again.

Oh now I remember Hamasaki also had a terrible break down during (or after?) an anal production. CESD-388 Anal Un-banned Mao Hamasaki

These are two very very rare case these "how the sausage is made" scenes come to light.

Thanks for your input.

On the one side I understand that they don't like interruptions and want a good looking video, without the girl having a mental break down. On the other side in the western porn industry there seems to be a not so small market for scenes, where the girl is brought to her limit, have to cry and needs to ask for a break on camera. Or needs to tap out if it gets too rough.

Just to name a few: Max Hardcore and Rocco Siffredi are male performers who are known to be really sadistic. The hole purpose of series like facial abuse, ghettogaggers and abuse her is to force girls to express real emotions of pain and discomfort. And to just mess them up. If girls have a melt down on camera or walk off the set they are probably happy, because they can back up their infamous reputation too be the most hardcore stuff you can find in the legal spectrum. Obviously it would be bad if every girl would do that, but from time to time that's not necessarily a bad thing for these producers.

Your examples seems to go in that direction, but also like these girls just had a bad day. Because it seems a little bit random and these girl did both more hardcore stuff than this. I would almost say that videos like: "MIAD-898, MIAA-062, MIGD-748, MIAE-332" aim to get the girls too their limit, but I don't think its comparable to the most extreme western porn. But don't get me wrong these 4 videos are exceptional and really great productions and I'm really thankful that things like that exist in JAV.

I would have assumed that with all the fucked up things you can see in JAV, their also would be an equivalent to "facial abuse" or "abuse her", etc., where real sadism is displayed against the girls.

 

[haroldgodwinson]

1. Billie Jo had a scene with Rob Diesel. He is really rough with her from the beginning, and she has to push him away multiple times or at least tries to, but he doesn't care. Honestly that looks like way out of her comfort zone. Maybe that's just her thing and if she was truly hurting she would have used a safe word. Yeah, she never uses it, so maybe that's just a bad example.
2. Allie James had an scene with Rocco Siffredi (look on Google for "Rocco Siffredi stretching Allie James asshole til she cries hard" and you find it). She is on her knees and hands and gets really hard fucked in her ass. From the start you can see she is in pain, but she takes it. After 2 mins or so, she cries and begs him to stop, but forgot her safe word "red". He stops, and she has 15 seconds to get it together until the scene continuous. I think we can agree that she reached her limit in that scene, and I highly doubt this was scripted. Like in the normal world, safe words are common if you do extreme stuff, and sometimes pornstars just can't handle what's going on. In the most cases, the use of safe words will just be cut out, so we mostly don't see the girls breaking.
3. The last and strongest argument for my point are porn series like "facial abuse", "ghettogaggers", "abuse her", etc. Just look at their stuff. These C-Pornstars can't act to be that distressed, in tears and near breaking down. Apparently they only get their money if they do the facial in the end (i read in a forum) and multiple actresses just quit with only 30 minutes to go without having the will to carry on, to get their money. That can't be scripted, that's just sexual humiliation at it's worst. I think even the most popular hardcore pornstars would be near their breaking point during this.

Wow!
How on earth are you able to pin point scenes/starlets like that from memory?

 

[ThatsTheWay]

Wow!
How on earth are you able to pin point scenes/starlets like that from memory?

Well, I remembered the scene but still had to look it up to look for the name of the video or how the names of the actors are spelled.

Some videos you just can't forget after you watched them one time.

 

[uguptas]

Well for me, i do avoid watching such genre where sex has become a torture. Though sometimes I still watch bukkake and gokkun, as long as I still see the girl happy and jovial servicing the men, then it's okay. For those, really stuff things into the vagina, expand the anus, slapping, punching, and such, you can see the girl sometimes in pain, not sure how good is the money or I heard some are really forced, also these actors to me are assholes for not treating the girl nicely. then again I avoid all these genre. Sex should be beautiful, just me as I'm not into raunchy and torture.

 

[darksider59]

Fans of those genre are often delusional but bukkake and gokkun are often fake. Those guys wearing huge and ugly white underwears. Why not being naked ? To hide more easily the semen tube or the fake dick. The cup that the actress "drinks". There are cuts and/or it's not always on camera; Why ? To replace it with fake semen or anything else. The actress just need to "act" with it.

With Moodyz and all those big studios, there is a meeting where the girl (with her agent/agency) says what she's ok to do or not. Then, they talk about what they will do on set.

 

[ThatsTheWay]

Fans of those genre are often delusional but bukkake and gokkun are often fake. Those guys wearing huge and ugly white underwears. Why not being naked ? To hide more easily the semen tube or the fake dick. The cup that the actress "drinks". There are cuts and/or it's not always on camera; Why ? To replace it with fake semen or anything else. The actress just need to "act" with it.

With Moodyz and all those big studios, there is a meeting where the girl (with her agent/agency) says what she's ok to do or not. Then, they talk about what they will do on set.

Thanks for your input. Do you think (or know) if the following four videos are fake or work with fake cum? The 350 ml and 400 ml Gokkun videos: MIAD-898, MIAA-062, MIGD-748, MIAE-332

I always thought they were pretty extreme, but realistic. Because in the end you can see the hole shooting without cuts and from far enough away, so you can see everything.

 

[darksider59]

Thanks for your input. Do you think (or know) if the following four videos are fake or work with fake cum? The 350 ml and 400 ml Gokkun videos: MIAD-898, MIAA-062, MIGD-748, MIAE-332

I always thought they were pretty extreme, but realistic. Because in the end you can see the hole shooting without cuts and from far enough away, so you can see everything.

All those Moodyz gokkun videos are the same basically. Before replying to someone else on another forum, I checked the Aya Miyazaki gokkun to see if I could notice some tricks. I did, and without watching other gokkun movies from that studio, I'm sure they film it in the same way. The cumshots are probably real (even if it's still easy to have a tube next to the guy's dick, the censorship helps for that too) but you can see the cup or plate and even the transparent container being outside the field of view for couple of seconds. They can easily change it with another one filled with another liquid (tons of choices). Then, the girl just needs to do some acting and this way, the movie can be completed without any problem for both sides (actress and studio).

I'll try to find back the movie with Matsumoto Nanami I was watching and noticed the tube for the fake semen when she was doing a paizuri. i'll take a screenshot of how awfully visible it was, it was so funny.

edit : My bad, for Nanami, they were playing with lube and they used a tube. The fact that it was awfully visible makes sense now lol.

 

[ramp_it_up]

I know this about JAV, but I remember seeing an outtake from Gangbang auditions with Cody Lane where she break down because the scene was too rough. The best part of porn in the DVD era were the outtakes when girls would ask for breaks or cry because the scene was too rough. Good times lol

 

[uguptas]

Well to be honest, it doesn't really matter fake or not, as long as the viewer thinks its real and gets turn on by it. We all know that porn is just entertainment, and nothing is real from it. The only thing is real is when your gf or your wife have sex or make love to you and she acts like what we expect a porn star. In reality its often hard to find, maybe in the early months of your relationship and a couple of years, i don't speak for all but from a man point of view, fairy tales don't last long.

In reality, money buys everything for you. I'm not a young man, but in my year of experience and life, money can buy anything, when I'm on business travels I can easy get an escort or a hooker to act out girlfriend experience or even a porn start or lap dancing and such, at the end they want money. Want to shoot in their face or in their eyes, just pay them. If you want real life bukkake, get a few friends, just pay the girl like a thousand dollars or something, just shoot away. To the girl it's just sperm and they can easily shower off but of course on their hair and eyes, it takes abit more work.

The truth is I don't really get turn on with hundreds of men shoot onto a girl but I do get turn on when I finish my shot on the girl that I've just fuck and even if I don't fuck it turns me on when the girl finishes me off with a blowjob and shoot on her own face.