How long will JAV mosaic's last ?

[topofthepops]

With the advancements in digital image processing with todays graphics technologies , how long do you think the mosaic in JAV will survive before it can be defeated.

The Deep Learning Super Sampling employed in modern graphics API's seems to indicate that a low resolution image can be upscaled to a higher resolution 'on the fly' which as far as i understand will defeat the super low res mosaic's in JAV. It is already available , to a basic degree, with the JAV PLAYER software

The JAV industry won't have enough power to stop the advancement in the tech, so it seems as though mosaic's will be able to be defeated at some point in the future with higher quality than the JAV PLAYER

I dont think when the tech to be able to do this is available it will be widely advertised . Which tech software developers are gonna say ' Look at our software is so good it can defeat JAV mosaic's ' LOL

But to me it does appear that JAV mosaic's dont have long to go before they are useless and i wonder how the censorship authorities in Japan are gonna cope with it

Any thoughts ?

 

[Inertia]

I was talking with a friend who shoots UC the other day and we think we’re in something of an uncensored JAV golden age. The barrier to entry thanks to sites like FC2 and PH have made it insanely easy for one man shops to covertly shoot & distribute. There’s also a ton of girls who don’t want to be JAV star famous, but do want to have sex and get paid for it who are fine with doing UC.

The downside of course is the quality of most FC2-level content being atrocious and shot by an increasing number of out of shape bank robbers.

When JAV Player came about, I talked to studios and they didn’t seem to worried. Even now lots of ‘decensored’ JAV frankly looks bad. The mosaic is still kinda-sorta there at times. Studios hate mosaic too, mind you. The only parties in Japan who want it are the companies whose livelihood is based on enforcing it.

 

[smallbird]

In recent years pro AV has gotten stronger mosaics which is difficult for JAV Player to get through.

And if you look at uncensored stuff Caribbeancom and Tokyo Hot are pretty much dead. The rare time they release a new video it's extremely low budget. On FC2 many of the new releases are starting to have mosaics applied.


Also, among pro AV performers, the culture of mosaics is a source of pride.

Shimiken, one of the most famous male av actors says this about mosaics:
https://twitter.com/avshimiken/status/1372523523587985410

Japanese pornography has mosaic, which allows for a lot of gimmicks.

I believe that the mosaic has enriched the imagination of the Japanese people, and their eroticism has been subdivided.

Roku Kuroi, a very prolific ex-AV actress who now makes self-produced porn on Fantia said this:
https://twitter.com/anan_9616/status/1341720264275464193

If mosaic is eliminated, Japan's erotic culture will decline, and there will be boring porn. Uncensored porn only relies on the depiction of genitalia, and the content is not interesting.

 

[topofthepops]

Both good points

But maybe the software/hardware to de-mosaic JAV would be more useful on movies that have already been released with mosaic and use it to effectively 'remove' or 'de-mosaic' the movies to a better standard than with JAV Player

I agree that UC JAV is pretty bad and unimaginative

I dont 100% agree with Roku Kuroi , removing the mosaic wont suddenly make JAV boring as long as they keep making movies with the same themes as they have over the last say 20 years . I'm a bit of a blowjob fanatic and a lot of the close up footage of girls giving blowjobs means that 60-80% of the screen is covered in mosaic which is a pain in the ass .

Also the quote from Shimiken talking about gimmicks is probably to allow for use of condoms and fake cum that can be hidden by the mosaic , i really dont see what he's talking about regarding 'gimmicks' ?

But yeah the whole censored v uncensored debate is another kettle of fish . The use of software/hardware , in my opinion, would be most helpful to remove mosaic from already released movies , and yes the mosaic's in the last 2-3 years are defo getting worse . Maybe if they ease off on the severity of the mosaic it may tempt people to purchase more movies !

I still believe in the near future the digital tools to remove the mosaic will be available and the JAV industry is gonna have a hard time trying to keep a lid on it

 

[Electromog]

There are no tools to remove mosaics. There are only tools that replace mosaics with what they guess should be there instead. Since the mosaics always mean a loss of data this will never be perfect. You will always see a difference between a movie where they use this trick and a leaked uncensored version of the same scene.

I'm sure the software will get so good you eventually won't be able to tell which parts used to be censored, but it still won't be the same as the original footage. Most people will probably not mind that they're not seeing the original pussy and dick but I for one will probably stick to the censored stuff and the occasional leaked uncensored movie.

 

[twenie]

There are no tools to remove mosaics. There are only tools that replace mosaics with what they guess should be there instead. Since the mosaics always mean a loss of data this will never be perfect. You will always see a difference between a movie where they use this trick and a leaked uncensored version of the same scene.

I'm sure the software will get so good you eventually won't be able to tell which parts used to be censored, but it still won't be the same as the original footage. Most people will probably not mind that they're not seeing the original pussy and dick but I for one will probably stick to the censored stuff and the occasional leaked uncensored movie.

In the future, probably there would be someone who could make a "decensoring AI" which operates like a human decensor, which is creating new data. Fans decensor hentai mangas by erasing the pixelation and draw new genitals, approximately as close as what they are meant to look like.

 

[topofthepops]

There are no tools to remove mosaics. There are only tools that replace mosaics with what they guess should be there instead.

While i agree that the end result of removing the mosaic will never be as good as an uncensored production , the advancements in A.I. decensoring will ,in my opinion, get close enough to an uncensored filming that it will deem the mosaic as useless .

My point is really what are the JAV studio's going to do when the software/hardware gets powerful enough to all but remove the mosaic ? That day wont be to far away ( i hope LOL ).

It may seem an impossible task at this point in time , but with the exponential growth in image processing tech the JAV censor's wont be able to stop it happening

It's obviously not a high priority in the grand scheme of things but i thought it would be a good topic to discuss as the tech grows and at some point the singularity of being able to severely diminish the effectiveness of mosaic's occurs.

Most people will probably not mind that they're not seeing the original pussy and dick but I for one will probably stick to the censored stuff and the occasional leaked uncensored movie.

That's also a valid point , but with the state of the mosaic these days any help in easing the almost complete removal of parts of the image with way over the top mosaic's is welcomed in my opinion. The state of some of the mosaic nowadays is so bad they may as well blackout the censored parts completely as there is no definition in what you can see , some of the movies from say 2006-2009 era at least you can vaguely make out whats happening on screen.

 

[Albert Tatlock]

While i agree that the end result of removing the mosaic will never be as good as an uncensored production , the advancements in A.I. decensoring will ,in my opinion, get close enough to an uncensored filming that it will deem the mosaic as useless .

My point is really what are the JAV studio's going to do when the software/hardware gets powerful enough to all but remove the mosaic ? That day wont be to far away ( i hope LOL ).

It may seem an impossible task at this point in time , but with the exponential growth in image processing tech the JAV censor's wont be able to stop it happening

It's obviously not a high priority in the grand scheme of things but i thought it would be a good topic to discuss as the tech grows and at some point the singularity of being able to severely diminish the effectiveness of mosaic's occurs.



That's also a valid point , but with the state of the mosaic these days any help in easing the almost complete removal of parts of the image with way over the top mosaic's is welcomed in my opinion. The state of some of the mosaic nowadays is so bad they may as well blackout the censored parts completely as there is no definition in what you can see , some of the movies from say 2006-2009 era at least you can vaguely make out whats happening on screen.

I've noticed that in the back half of 2020 and early this year the mosaic seems to be becoming a little smaller. It still completely obscures, but the portion of the genital area that is obscured seems to be smaller. I have a copy of Javplayer, but my hardware is so old it doesn't really really do much in real time and I don't have the processing power to de-censor a whole movie. I've promised myself a new laptop this year, so perhaps I'll spend a little more on getting a better graphics card and see what it can do with the newer releases

 

[topofthepops]

I have a copy of Javplayer, but my hardware is so old it doesn't really really do much in real time and I don't have the processing power to de-censor a whole movie

Yeah thats one of the problems at the moment , its just to hardware/software intensive to de-censor to a good enough quality. But in 1-2 years who knows how much more powerful the tech to do it in real time will be

It will obviously take someone or some collective of coders a lot of work to train the A.I. and produce an algorithm that can perform the de-censoring on the fly , much better than the JavPlayer software , but i do believe it will be achievable sooner rather than later

Cant say I've seen any easing of the mosaic lately , but then again I'm not that interested in viewing the new movies anymore due to the mosaic getting so bad , it's all but killed any interest in the new movies for me , I just feel they arnt worth purchasing due to over the top mosaic

 

[Albert Tatlock]

Yeah thats one of the problems at the moment , its just to hardware/software intensive to de-censor to a good enough quality. But in 1-2 years who knows how much more powerful the tech to do it in real time will be

It will obviously take someone or some collective of coders a lot of work to train the A.I. and produce an algorithm that can perform the de-censoring on the fly , much better than the JavPlayer software , but i do believe it will be achievable sooner rather than later

Cant say I've seen any easing of the mosaic lately , but then again I'm not that interested in viewing the new movies anymore due to the mosaic getting so bad , it's all but killed any interest in the new movies for me , I just feel they arnt worth purchasing due to over the top mosaic

Have a look at WAAA-008 and WANZ-901, WANZ-969 all Neo Akari. I have the censored versions of these in reasonable good quality, the files are over 5GB-7GB each. Now it might be my imagination but the mosaic looks way better than it did last year when it was just impossible to enjoy any JAV.

I tend to always download the best version I can for that time when I can afford a better PC and have a go at trying to remove the mosaic.

 

[topofthepops]

Have a look at WAAA-008 and WANZ-901, WANZ-969 all Neo Akari.

Thanks for the suggestion's ( WOW what an ass she has LOL ) . I agree that mosaic is better than most .

Check out ARM-287 ( a blowjob movie ) from 2013 , Aroma are probably one of the best studios regarding mosaic , at least the movies around 2013 era, that level of mosaic is fine IMHO . if modern tech could get the latest movies to the level I would be happy . The good old days .

 

[Electromog]

Maybe things will get better after the summer. Mosaics got a lot worse when Japan won the bid for the summer olympics. They wanted to clean house before the thousands of fans showed up. Hopefully things will go back to what we had a few years ago after the games have ended.