Interracial JAV Discussion

[needs more loli]

Yes or No? And why?

I've never had an issue with interracial JAV, quite the opposite in fact, I really enjoy watching it: big dicks, little Japanese girl, whats not to like right? But apparently there is something not to like, because many people seem to be strongly against it.

I'm genuinely curious to know, what your stance is on this topic?

And to be clear, by interracial JAV I mean Japanese girl vs White, Black, Latino, etc men. I think we can all agree that AMWF (Asian Man vs White, Black, Latina, etc Woman) is a different topic entirely.

 

[EroMura777]

While I'm not against it, because it just depends on the mood when I'm going to watch porn, it's clearly not favourite option. I have the impression that most of the IR JAV gets only in the surface, it's not usual, let's say finding IR JAV with gokkun, outdoors/exposure or other more concise fetishes. It's a bit similar to what happens when you have an actress with big tits, they focus too much on her tits that they forget to deepen the JAV experience.

BTW, I would consider Asian man and Black Woman as IR, too.

 

[hatsupaw]

"Race" is bullcrap. In a biological sense it means almost nothing. As P.J. O'Rourke once said "There are more differences between a greyhound and a whippet than there are between George Bush and an Australian Aborigine."
I have no strong opinion either way on interracial stuff, other than the fact that it's fine - you like it? watch - don't like it? don't watch. Pornographers are only interested in profit, so obviously there's a demand for it. I don't watch a lot of AV featuring males of African descent, because I want to identify with the guy in the movie, I want to imagine it's me with that idol, and I am not of African descent. Sometimes, though, I enjoy the "novelty" of hearing English, as long as they don't start saying the same stupid stuff that I hear in western porn, like "Yeah, take it bitch!".
Because the mass media looks down its nose at pornography, there is never any serious examination of the specifics (so hypocritical - I honestly see higher "values" in hardcore S&M than I do in most prime-time broadcasting) the industry has never been under pressure to be politically correct - the pressure has always been general, as in, "stop it all! it's all wrong!". So there's a lot of really old stereotypes that are alive and well in pornography. Heck, most fantasy scenarios are inherently cliché. I mean, come on, how can I be turned on by yet another girl in a sailor suit giving a blowjob, after seeing that same thing a million times before? And yet I am, again and again. Personally I don't think it should be PC anyway. There should be at least one place in popular culture where our darkest/wildest/weirdest fantasies can be acted out by consenting participants.
Have I gone off-topic? Maybe. I'd like to end with one more quote, it's Wayland Young, who wrote: "[Our] culture is a eunuch; pornography is his severed balls"
And yes, I have gone off-topic.

 

[needs more loli]

BTW, I would consider Asian man and Black Woman as IR, too.

AMWF is most definitely interracial, but I think it has a whole different set of discussions involved.

I believe that everyone sees color and has preconceived notions, even if they're not conscious of them. Because of that, for the most part my opinion is

Hates interracial = racist and/or insecure asian
Loves interracial = weaboo or self-hating asian

Then there is that very, very small percentage of people who don't give a fuck.

As for me, I don't know what I am. I don't usually download interracial videos, so I guess according to my definition, I'm the first one. But I don't usually download lesbian videos either, does that make me homophobic? Guess the more reasonable explanation is that it comes down to preference. But I don't think I'm (and other people) are that reasonable. Therefore, my conclusion is that everyone is either a racist or a weaboo.

Well I suppose everyone is a little bit of both especially on a forum primarily biased toward Japanese porn.

"Race" is bullcrap. In a biological sense it means almost nothing. As P.J. O'Rourke once said "There are more differences between a greyhound and a whippet than there are between George Bush and an Australian Aborigine."
I have no strong opinion either way on interracial stuff, other than the fact that it's fine - you like it? watch - don't like it? don't watch. Pornographers are only interested in profit, so obviously there's a demand for it. I don't watch a lot of AV featuring males of African descent, because I want to identify with the guy in the movie, I want to imagine it's me with that idol, and I am not of African descent. Sometimes, though, I enjoy the "novelty" of hearing English, as long as they don't start saying the same stupid stuff that I hear in western porn, like "Yeah, take it bitch!".
Because the mass media looks down its nose at pornography, there is never any serious examination of the specifics (so hypocritical - I honestly see higher "values" in hardcore S&M than I do in most prime-time broadcasting) the industry has never been under pressure to be politically correct - the pressure has always been general, as in, "stop it all! it's all wrong!". So there's a lot of really old stereotypes that are alive and well in pornography. Heck, most fantasy scenarios are inherently cliché. I mean, come on, how can I be turned on by yet another girl in a sailor suit giving a blowjob, after seeing that same thing a million times before? And yet I am, again and again. Personally I don't think it should be PC anyway. There should be at least one place in popular culture where our darkest/wildest/weirdest fantasies can be acted out by consenting participants.
Have I gone off-topic? Maybe. I'd like to end with one more quote, it's Wayland Young, who wrote: "[Our] culture is a eunuch; pornography is his severed balls"
And yes, I have gone off-topic.

"you like it? watch - don't like it? don't watch"
This right here sums up my opinion on the topic exactly. I like it therefor I watch it. It's just one of the many JAV genres that I enjoy. And I would think any reasonably open-minded person would understand and be ok with that.

However there are people that are so strongly against it that they don't feel it's enough just for themselves not to watch it but that others shouldn't watch it either or that it should even exist. Frankly it's people with this opinion that I'm most interested in hearing from.

And then there are people on the other end of the spectrum who are all about that cuckold fetish, "blacks are sexually superior", blah blah blah... which honestly is just plain weird.

Oh and you did go off topic, like way off lol

 

[needs more loli]

Both of what? Racist and a weaboo? If someone is Japanese/Asian and doesn't mind interracial porn, then they are neither racist or a weaboo.

The people who don't think interracial porn should exist are racist. That's it. I don't think there's any merit in listening to a racist explain why they're racist.

Sorry, I was speaking in technicalities. The fact that this forum is biased toward Japanese porn implies that its members are in a way both racist (thinks Japanese [porn] is better, racism is not limited to white and blacks obviously) and weaboo (once again, all the Japanese stuff).

And I think there is merit to hearing the other side's opinion, as long as they can conduct themselves in an coherent and civilized manner.

 

[needs more loli]

I don't think it's racist to prefer JAV...

Yea neither do I. Once again, just me being overly technical.

A weaboo as I understand has to be of non-Asian descent. So the Japanese (or even Asian) users here can't be weaboos.

Looks like I'm safe then haha.

 

[CodeGeek]

My vote is "No". So why... Hm, I guess I like my JAV pure. But it has nothing to do with racism. I'm Caucasian. And I also don't like Caucasian actors in there. I prefer Japanese actors - even Asian non-Japanese actors would feel odd. Maybe it feels more exotic. Maybe it's because most of these male actors look like guys you would find next door (if you would live in Japan). Not like the male AV actors in other countries who seem to walk just from the gym to the shooting back and forth. Having AV foreign actors in JAV feels like foreign actors having in a historical samurai movie: It doesn't match (no, I'm not taking about The Last Sumrai or Shōgun).

I'm curious why Japanese men (which should be the target group for JAV) like interracial movies. And, no, that's not a rhetoric question, it's a real one.
If it's AMWF I understand it totally (also I also don't like these movies and don't watch them). These foreign ladies are exotic to them. And maybe also the sex scenes are different. And as there is a Asian / Japanese actor involved it gives them the opportunity to have a fantasy to be that guy.
But if a Japanese lady is having sex with one or more non-Japanese men... Some kind of national cuckold fantasy?

 

[Restrepo]

I've been a big fan of interracial from day one, never changed.

I understand CodeGeek's argument about it feeling more exotic with all Asians. For me, as a Caucasian living in Asia, it's the exact opposite. I'm attracted to the woman, so the Asian man involved is usually a non-entity (unless something notable about him, i.e. being quite a bit older or particularly obese, makes him seem luckier / makes the scene dirtier).

So, when it's a foreigner v. Asian women, it adds something like...attainability, perhaps? Or dirtiness, like "damn, that lucky white/black dude is getting to bed a JAV star."

So a massive "yes" from me. (Anyone have recommendations for WMAF? These scenes seem so rare)

I'll post some of my favorite BMAF scenes later.^^

 

[Fisheraaa]

Against black guys - because too ugly.
Against white guys - because too masculine and make retarded awkward faces.

I'm 3/4 white and 1/4 asian, but i do have friends that are black/white/asian/and all types of mixtures. I'm not racist at all. But i definetly don't want black asses, black dicks that look like poop, retarded faces and sounds etc. in my JAV.

And i'm not racist for not liking certain type of people ... i also don't like fat people , but noone makes a big deal out of that.

Edit: my country has never had slavery ... so it's okay to voice my opinion

 

[Restrepo]

"But I have lots of black friends" is the most typical "I'm not racist!" argument ever.

"black dicks that look like poop" is clearly a racist statement. Not consciously or maliciously, I'm sure. Yet, it is.

A country having no history of slavery is completely irrelevant to making an individually racist statement, c'mon. Look into what racism actually is.

 

[Hans Kowalski]

If you're ever worried that the AV Idol you're jerking off to might be a racist shithead, just stick to good old Rei Mizuna.

In the first scene she's having a creampie & gokkun gangbang with several black & white actors, and it's not a gangrape or anything, it's all peaceful cum swallowing to spread love between different nations.

In the second scene she puts on a blond wig and some blue contact lenses, goes by the name "Rachel", and sucks and fucks a bunch of japanese dudes, who were just jerking off to the first scene.

Now that is pretty noble of her.

 

[Fisheraaa]

By Oxford's dictionary:
"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior"

I'm not saying my own race is superior. I said i equaly don't want black and white guys in JAV. I have the same feelings for both white guys and black guys in JAV ... and you can't be racist against your own race, so that means im not racist against black guys either.
And yes to me black dicks look like poop ... and because i don't like black dicks i am racist, realy?

 

[Supmop]

I don't mind to watch asian females fuck white, black, latino or other asian males

but in JAV I prefer asian males fuck white, black, latina, arab, india girls

I've been a big fan of interracial from day one, never changed.

I understand CodeGeek's argument about it feeling more exotic with all Asians. For me, as a Caucasian living in Asia, it's the exact opposite. I'm attracted to the woman, so the Asian man involved is usually a non-entity (unless something notable about him, i.e. being quite a bit older or particularly obese, makes him seem luckier / makes the scene dirtier).

So, when it's a foreigner v. Asian women, it adds something like...attainability, perhaps? Or dirtiness, like "damn, that lucky white/black dude is getting to bed a JAV star."

So a massive "yes" from me. (Anyone have recommendations for WMAF? These scenes seem so rare)

I'll post some of my favorite BMAF scenes later.^^

Try GG-069

 

[needs more loli]

My vote is "No". So why... Hm, I guess I like my JAV pure.

Ok I think I see where you're coming from.
I'm not really sure how to explain it but I'll try to explain it with the best analogy I can think of. Using cars! (BTW aside from JAV, I'm also a huge car guy. Japanese cars of course . Jeez could I be any more Asian)
Anyway here I go: In Japanese car culture, there's a controversial topic about using American V8 engines in popular Japanese cars such as the RX-7 and S-chassis. One of the arguments against this type of engine swap is that it bastardizes the purity of the car. I for one am not a fan of it. So when put into this context I completely understand your point. Basically you're saying Western actors in JAV ruins the purity of JAV.

I could go on further using this analogy but honestly, unless you're a into Japanese cars this is gonna fly right over your head, so I'll stop here.


Second part of your post:

I'm curious why Japanese men (which should be the target group for JAV) like interracial movies. And, no, that's not a rhetoric question, it's a real one.
If it's AMWF I understand it totally (also I also don't like these movies and don't watch them). These foreign ladies are exotic to them. And maybe also the sex scenes are different. And as there is a Asian / Japanese actor involved it gives them the opportunity to have a fantasy to be that guy.
But if a Japanese lady is having sex with one or more non-Japanese men... Some kind of national cuckold fantasy?

While I am not Japanese, I am Asain so I'll chime in on this anyway...
First off, it has nothing to do with cuckold. Secondly, for me at least, it actually has very little to do with race.
What I find most arousing about it is the extreme size difference. For the most part White and Black guys in JAV have larger penises than their Japanese counterparts, especially when you factor in the Western actors in the DANDY movies. Now I say "for the most part" because we all know of those 3 or 4 busters that are actually smaller, but for the sake of conversation let's just agree that they are larger. What I enjoy is watching the girls reaction when she first sees how huge it is and when she is struggling to take it in her mouth or "other places".

Basically thats all there is to it. It has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, the purity of JAV, etc. I, like most people, just prefer larger penises in porn, and White and Black actors just so happen to have larger ones. That not to say Japanese actors can't be large as well.

 

[CodeGeek]

Ok I think I see where you're coming from.
I'm not really sure how to explain it but I'll try to explain it with the best analogy I can think of. Using cars! (BTW aside from JAV, I'm also a huge car guy. Japanese cars of course . Jeez could I be any more Asian)
Anyway here I go: In Japanese car culture, there's a controversial topic about using American V8 engines in popular Japanese cars such as the RX-7 and S-chassis. One of the arguments against this type of engine swap is that it bastardizes the purity of the car. I for one am not a fan of it. So when put into this context I completely understand your point. Basically you're saying Western actors in JAV ruins the purity of JAV.

I could go on further using this analogy but honestly, unless you're a into Japanese cars this is gonna fly right over your head, so I'll stop here.
[...]

Yes, something like that. I watch JAV because I don't want to see any other people in there. If I would want that I could watch porn from other countries which involve all kind of nationalities and ethnicities. There are also Asian/Japanese actresses in Western porn, also Japanese actresses in Western porn are rare. And I have to admit that I never saw a Japanese actors in Western porn (which doesn't mean that there isn't one). But there are definitely Asian actors. I guess it is pretty similar to the cars: If you start replacing original parts with Western parts you should start asking yourself why you haven't bought a Western car right from the start.

[...]
Second part of your post:

While I am not Japanese, I am Asain so I'll chime in on this anyway...
First off, it has nothing to do with cuckold. Secondly, for me at least, it actually has very little to do with race.
What I find most arousing about it is the extreme size difference. For the most part White and Black guys in JAV have larger penises than their Japanese counterparts, especially when you factor in the Western actors in the DANDY movies. Now I say "for the most part" because we all know of those 3 or 4 busters that are actually smaller, but for the sake of conversation let's just agree that they are larger. What I enjoy is watching the girls reaction when she first sees how huge it is and when she is struggling to take it in her mouth or "other places".

Basically thats all there is to it. It has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, the purity of JAV, etc. I, like most people, just prefer larger penises in porn, and White and Black actors just so happen to have larger ones. That not to say Japanese actors can't be large as well.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the explanation. And by the way: I don't know if Western or black dicks are really bigger in average. But they definitely take the actors who have a bigger-than-average one.

For everyone who is curious about the movie Supmop mentioned:
http://www.dmm.co.jp/mono/dvd/-/detail/=/cid=13gg069/

 

[BDrake]

While I like interracial JAV, one of my issues is the way they portray the men as rapists or overly aggressive. It's a stereotype that is unfair. I've liked the latest Glory Quest vids, where a guy is doing a homestay and the mother comes on to him. It's a regular story that has some great scenes (see Reiko Sawamura). I've also liked the Fitch videos (especially with Ayumi Shinoda), where there's actually emotion/chemistry - not the men being forced on the ladies (even though in the end they fall for them. I hate that Stockholm/r*** scenario in JAV).

 

[needs more loli]

A lot of times depending on the girl they are less aggressive than usual. Kind of ruins the whole thug fantasy IMO.

Welcome to the forum btw

 

[BDrake]

A lot of times depending on the girl they are less aggressive than usual. Kind of ruins the whole thug fantasy IMO.

Welcome to the forum btw

I don't like the thug fantasy. I just like a Japanese girl who happens to like a Black guy. If he's more in control during sex - like the scenes/series I mentioned - that's fine, but I don't like the r*** scenes. I used to date a Japanese girl, and I'd like my AV to reflect more mutual attraction.

 

[pikuseru]

Someone can be turned on to interracial porn for entirely racist reasons. E.g. a racist person might see a black man fucking a Japanese girl as her being violated, that it is not natural, and like watching that for those very reasons.

Someone can be entirely blind to race, and therefore interracial porn makes no difference to them.

So I don't think you can really say whether or not someone is racist based on whether they enjoy interracial porn or not. Personally it is not something I look for either. Honestly, I don't think I pay much attention to the guys at all. It's all about the girls for me... The guys just need to be strong and be in control, otherwise it makes no difference.

 

[ding73ding]

Hmm honestly I was quite determined not to get into this mess. People throwing labels around and imposing his personal bias (be it pro-PC or anti-PC) on other people.

How about we fast-track to a post-interracial future? Like remember we used to see cowgirls advertised front and center on those AV covers? Back then cowgirl was novel and exotic. And in the early (for me) days Western porn would stamp "Anal" on those porn covers, and (much) later DP would be the advertising center piece. Now we are in the post-anal, post-DP era. In Western porn, "anal" and "DP" have been reduced the fine print or like a searchable tag on porn sites. Anal and DP are no longer such a big deal, some customers demands it and can perform a search or advanced search. Most fans, like me, like anal and DP but value the overall quality of a vid/scene more than the labeling. So I'm more likely to go with the performer or sometimes director, and not mind so much if the scene has anal and/or DP or not. Yes? Great! No? Fine too.

Why it matters is that, while I enjoy watching anal and DP, I was often disappointed with those genre-focus vids (back when mostly renting VHS tapes). If a vid has big letters "Busty", means she's a fat pig, if a vid has big letters "anal" you are getting a colonoscopy, right? Anal and DP scenes only became good when it was natural, when it's incorporated into mainstream porn, not a freakshow.

And in Euro-porn we might start to see "interracial" fading as a genre and being incorporated into mainstream. Many vids does not advertise itself as interracial when there's an Asian or African in the female cast or there's an African in the male cast (I haven't seen one with an Asian male yet... but I've not been watching western porn for quite a while now. So the same thing is happening, as with anal. I never liked interracial porn (generally they were bad) but now mainstream Euro-porn getting mixed in with interracial, I love it.

US Porn, it seems, isn't as progressive yet.

JAV, by this standard, is way way behind. Anal, DP and interracial is still too freakish for the majority of idols and studios, and sure enough a lot of these vids are disappointing. As some have been mentioned before, often the black men they bring in are fat, ugly and have only average size penis, or worse, fake penis.

So I didn't vote, I love the idea of AV/porn scene with a variety of race and colors, but I don't like the interracial JAV on offer.