My problem with raep scenes (rant)

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...is that pron actresses/actors can't act!

And the usual raep scenes simply kill your suspension of disbelief because they aren't well directed, for example, how can the girl sucks cocks almost so eagerly while being raeped? I imagine the guys shouldn't even be able to get into her mouth, and even if they could, she'll bite their dong off!

Listening to that fake crying also gets on my nerve because I keep being reminded how fake it is.

Rough stuff/BDSM is another thing and can be good provided it's real-ish and shot with the girl's permission. Night24 or Moodyz released several decent movies for example. Slapping a slutty girl sometimes adds to the excitement :hehe:
 
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The idea is that the woman actually likes getting raeped (intentional spelling). If that wasn't the idea there would be less raep videos.
Ai Uehara is a good actress and in SHKD-564 Fucked In Front Of Her Husband - Shining Black Torture she acts pretty well. Of course, she comes around after a while but she really does give off the feel that she's frightened out of her senses at the beginning.
 
ericf said:
The idea is that the woman actually likes getting raeped (intentional spelling).
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Yeah I think you are right because in such scenes usually they try to show you that the girls are secretly liking the treatment. I know for one that IRL some girls (even boys lol) have fantasies of being raeped.

Early on I said that rough stuff can be good provided that it's done with the girl's permission. I've actually watched several scenes where the girls are actually crying lol (Yu Konishi in MIGD-634 for example, and she hesitated when she was asked to drink cum from the glass given to her). That's not what I have in mind when I said that.
 
And IRL r*** victims are often physically abused too, not a wank material lol.
 
Actually their obvious eagerness and fake crying is the only thing that makes me watch too many JAV , I don't like to watch violence on women , even some crying in normal scenes are annoying or even disturbing sometimes , but as it appears those girls very often come back for more which is a thing that doesn't happen IRL . The Bus Molester Series are in the same boat , though I enjoyed the reversed one performed by Saori Hara , she literally fucked the shit out of a poor passenger and it was hilarious as he faked horror while getting fucked (yes she did the fucking) by such a hottie
That is me of course
 
r*** genre is not my favorite. But in start, curious to know what's inside the r*** genre. Watched & Much disturbed.
It also made me LOL on their acting/making.

Definitely missing & misses the reality.
 
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Inane- do you know the code number of that Saori Hara title you mentioned? i have to admit, I had the same reaction that Twenie mentioned concerning how eager these r*** victims are to suck the guy's cock, but I guess ericf's explanation is probably correct..i.e., that they are secretly enjoying it..certainly not the case in real life..truthfully, while I do watch this genre, I always feel guilty until I keep in mind that this is all fantasy and done with mutual consent..at least I hope so.​

 
twenie said:
...is that pron actresses/actors can't act!

And the usual raep scenes simply kill your suspension of disbelief because they aren't well directed
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A few likely do it better but poor acting is a problem with JAV in general (western smut too), not just for r*** scenes. The quality of your average JAV r*** scene acting is similar to what you see in western porn fetish superhero r*** scenes: more comical than anything else.

Then there is the other extreme when mainstream movies and a few fetish studios show the brutal reality of it rather than an erotic fantasy (which some hentai comics successfully convey).

Probably have a better chance of seeing it portrayed as a credible erotic fantasy in softcore/pinku eiga movies (Flower & Snake series is nice). Explicit/hardcore porn typically requires the performers to angle & position themselves in artificial ways to begin with to allow the camera to actually capture penetration.
 
Have you guys seen raep scenes from Minami Aizawa? For eg. IPX-784 ipx784pl.jpg

IPX-604
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IPX-750
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and the most recent IPX-873
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Minami AIzawa's raep scenes are second to none in their dramatic value. Go watch them.
 
I've mentioned how enamored I am of Minami, both her beauty and her acting. But ipx-784 illustrates why I'm not a huge fan of r*** stories in JAV. Because they focus a lot on defiling innocence, their r*** stories present the girl in stages: struggling, resignation (verbal resistance only), submission, slut. It's the struggly phase that I find frustrating to watch. Which is why I prefer blackmail/drug/aphrodiasic/mind control/hyponosis storylines where they kind of start at stage 2 or 3 and skip stage 1.

Anyway, in ipx-784, Minami struggles and resists the entire way through, and acts like she's not enjoying it. She even repeatedly says she's not enjoying it, if the subtitles are accurate. She only cums in the very last scene, and even then she's still still at best at the resignation stage, while the last frame shows her crying. Not the actress' fault - she plays the part as directed and plays it well. It's just not my thing. In my view, these are sexual fantasies played out on video, meaning you want to be careful about giving them too much realism. The idea of watching a real r*** is not arousing. Because real r*** is ugly and terrible.
 
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I've mentioned how enamored I am of Minami, both her beauty and her acting. But ipx-784 illustrates why I'm not a huge fan of r*** stories in JAV. Because they focus a lot on defiling innocence, their r*** stories present the girl in stages: struggling, resignation (verbal resistance only), submission, slut. It's the struggly phase that I find frustrating to watch. Which is why I prefer blackmail/drug/aphrodiasic/mind control/hyponosis storylines where they kind of start at stage 2 or 3 and skip stage 1.

Anyway, in ipx-784, Minami struggles and resists the entire way through, and acts like she's not enjoying it. She even repeatedly says she's not enjoying it, if the subtitles are accurate. She only cums in the very last scene, and even then she's still still at best at the resignation stage, while the last frame shows her crying. Not the actress' fault - she plays the part as directed and plays it well. It's just not my thing. In my view, these are sexual fantasies played out on video, meaning you want to be careful about giving them too much realism. The idea of watching a real r*** is not arousing. Because real r*** is ugly and terrible.
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I am not a raep scene guy as well and you are right. Minami Aizawa's IPX-784 is a totally depressing movie to watch: From the first raep scene (which in fact made me teared my eyes again when I first watch it!) to the final acceptance scene where she cried in the end. But this is a series and her version beats the others hands down! It is depressing because of her ability to role play and brings out the pitiful nature of the step daughter where others could not. Her acting skill is so good that the movie became depressing to watch!

Minami raep scenes all have drama and purpose, and they are beautiful!

IPX-604: The first time in my life I wet my eyes when watching an AV! On the second raep scene: the doggy position - her endurance, resistance and being slowly mentally breaking down is a fantastic drama! Never had I seen a raep scene as dramatic and as beautiful as this. In this movie, the man threatens her and wanted her to enjoy the sex, from which she initially resisted. Minami played a sexually inexperienced young girl who often comes too easily. None of her sex skills were used in this movie!

IPX-750: The kidnapper was raping her for revenge. At the last scene, she was gang r***ing. Minami played a pampered and childish girl, who dislike being "dirty". Thus the kidnap and the r*** was a real shock to her and clearly, she did not handle it well. No sex skills were used in this movie as well! And her character is to me, very cute.

IPX-784: (The second time I wet my eyes watching he first raep scene. It's OMG depressingly good) The Step father was literally abusing his step daughter by raping and using her as a sex toy. Minami plays the pitiful daughter who loved her mother so much she is willing to sacrifice herself just to make sure her mother is happy. And in this movie, she did not even has a single smile (only a fake one) in the entire movie. Limited sex skills displayed.

IPX-873: The hentai man loved her so much he wants to make her his! Out of extreme pervert love of her. The part that shows he does not want to hurt her is when he was trying to undress her, Minami got panic and struggled more, and the man calm her down and told her.. "Only the coat.. only the coat...". Minami played a submissive, soft and obedient office lady, who eventually fell into her own lust and became the hentai man's sex toy.
 
I don't enjoy watching r*** videos, mainly cause I don't wanna do this to a woman, or dream about it. Latest Tsubomi vr movie, starts nice, then full on abuse, I cannot be a part of this. I don't want to be a part of this. but maybe this is just me.
 
Lotrug said:
I don't enjoy watching r*** videos, mainly cause I don't wanna do this to a woman, or dream about it. Latest Tsubomi vr movie, starts nice, then full on abuse, I cannot be a part of this. I don't want to be a part of this. but maybe this is just me.
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No, it not only you. I don't like this type of movies, too. And even less so in VR, where everything is more real.
We all know it's faked and they're acting, but still....
 
Lotrug said:
I don't enjoy watching r*** videos, mainly cause I don't wanna do this to a woman, or dream about it. Latest Tsubomi vr movie, starts nice, then full on abuse, I cannot be a part of this. I don't want to be a part of this. but maybe this is just me.
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There are a lot of sloppery slopes in JAV... Right now I'm checking the typical video where 2 lolis (performing as children) are fucked/r***ing by some old men in the public baths.
There are some things our minds can control. We can "boycott" that media not watching it and most important, we can just not reap women or consume pphilia, but to be honest I stopped worrying about this long time ago. 5-10 years ago I thought that my growing taste for rough porn was alarming but with the years I've found out that I keep liking soft (but passionate) porn and that in sex I only find pleasure when my partner is also enjoying it.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about it. There is a clear distinction between a fantasy and something you have done, or even would actually do, in real life. Surveys show, for example, that at least a third of women at least sometimes fastasize about being r***ing. But they don't actually want to be r***ing. The fantasy is a safe version that has the spicy kink but without the real world trauma. All of us have dark, dirty fantasies. People just don't talk about them. But that's all they are.

My comment about not liking r*** vids is that I don't enjoy watching the struggling part because it reminds me too much of actual r***. But it's not a moral objection. I don't care what anyone is fantasizing about so long as it stays as fiction.
 
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i used to think that i have been comments on this topic.
okay fine. i dont do it yet - -"

r*** ? acting ?

i think its not hard at all .. women acting all the time if you dont know it.

o its not mean .......i cant find the right word . i pretty bad at english.

its about the balance of time and money.

infact i love to see remu smile a little bit when she was in the r*** scense ...

a little bit ... 1-2 s and i guess not much people may notice it.

at least it show that she is happy do her job at that moment ...

do the job and got the money. fine

the main reason that i watched her is that because she is good at fucking ....her acting when she was r*** or anything in her holes.
o thats parts of acting and i guess she is good at it.

i dont much into how she have that dick in her puss ...
 
There's a lot of lost in translation when we watch and discuss NTR titles. The problem is definition of the word r*** is changing and different between peopls and cultures. This is huge oversimplification but I'll do it anyway: I will cut the single word r***/NTR to three different levels:

1. misogynism: the woman does not want the sex and the fucking action is performed against her will, often (but not always) the only purpose of the action is to hurt her, not to satisfy the libido of the r**ist. This is a huge genre of JAV, a very common trope is the use of probes and vibrator on the woman especially in cavity other than vagina. Say, nose hook.

2. No-means-yes: the woman starts with verbal or actions to resists, for some reasons, but the r**ist purpose is to have sexual pleasure and possibily to give her sexual pleasure as well. So after some resistance, she accepts and often enjoy the actual fucking actions. The mildest form can be just a reflex reaction: the woman doesn't mind sex with this man at all, but community expectation dictates she must pretend a bit of resistance, at least until some clothings have been removed. Sometimes she started genuinely not accepting sex but the r**ist's sexual skillz is so amazing that physical orgasm overcome her mental resistance. One of my own fav is IPX-548. Minami also played in this series before, in IPX-358.

3. r***-play: the woman fakes resistance to enhance his and/or her (psychological) excitement. This is not so much common now. But not so long ago, (I hesitate to put down any explicit time, but definitely within our lifetime) the majority of consensual sexual intercourses would look like criminal r*** according to modern western feminist standard. You get a hint from the early history of JAV (VHS era) the only words you ever hear out of the vast majority of JAV girl is やめて yamete (STOP!). Any girl who is fucked without pretending resistance and suffering is automatically labelled a 痴女 slut and (for a JAV girl) close to the end of her career. Cowgirl 騎乗位 back then is almost unimaginable. It's kinda related to too-noisy/fake moaning during sex (another recent thread). Definitely today it's out of fashion.

The problem is NTR is a term used for all types. Covering both the type that I perosnally feel is disgusting, I mean I feel so strong about it, that I think death penalty can be justified. On the other hand, it's a man's most primal instinct, to make as many offsprings as possible, nedge nedge wink wink: determined seduction technique. Of course I am not making broad justification, but leave that many things are rather subjective.

One more point to consider: when DMM/Fanza release their sales and search stats, sometimes they provide break down the data by customer's gender and age group etc. One point that surprised me quite a bit is for female customers NTR ranks either top 1 or 2 in terms of search words (which as I remember genre keywords also compete with idol's names for top rank search word) so it's very remarkable female customers's top genre is NTR which include what I call misogynic r***.
 
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