Share and Perfect Dark

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I asked Chompy to open a new forum instead of crowding the others we have.

I'm still not sure how much can be said openly but setting up Share was easier than expected. So I tried Perfect Dark, that is supposed to be an advancement to Share.

This other program is prettier, already translated into english and more intuitive to use. But it isn't compatible with the Share network and doesn't seem to be as active.

Yet I was able to find another of the two videos of Yuki Fujisaki that never appeared as torrents :)

The big difference being that in Share your download starts right away, while on Perfect Dark the program builds up a 2Gb cache for share purposes and only when it is filled it let you start downloading something.
 

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Share has been around for 5 years, and supports the entire winny network as well as its own.

Perfect Dark is relatively speaking incredibly immature and buggy. Probably only useful if you like testing bleeding edge software as a hobby. If your goal is downloading files regularly, Perfect Dark is close to useless.
 

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Well, from what I understood:

Perfect Dark Pros:

- Frequently updated
- More secure due to newer protocol (completely unproven)
- More intuitive & already translated
- Rating system built-in
- BBS system built-in
- Complex searches through a tree system (add keywords at various depth)
- Auto-updates itself to most recent version

Cons:

- Seems slower
- Need to download 2Gb of "cache" before being able to start a local download
- More immature
- Smaller network, so less files available
 

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Sure. Though I don't agree with some of those personally (e.g. More intuitive) and any usability features are mostly moot when share itself is enough. Especially once you know how to use the right clusters, db triggers, filters and search strings.

But however you look at it, Perfect Dark is (unless something better comes along, for example, an update of Share) the future.
 

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I figured out what's wrong with Perfect Dark compared to Share:

- *requires* 40Gb of "trash" sitting on the harddisk for its network
- Both queues and downloads seem veeeery slow moving

A pity because it's a better program overall but Share is as efficient as torrents, if not more.
 

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Share is, and has been, the source of most everything jap porn related for years and years to begin with, before it, winny, hell, it's even the same network.

People still ignore it or don't want to learn it at this point quite often, which is baffling..

Also, share beats torrents by far for a lot of reasons, not to mention the whole obvious aspect of torrents and seeding periods.

I dunno, it just makes you wonder.
 

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Share network and OpenNap

chompy wrote:
"Share has been around for 5 years, and supports the entire winny network as well as its own."

Perhaps you should phrase this a bit differently, so that people don't get the wrong idea. Both Winny and Share are based on Freenet, and take similar approaches to anonymity, clusters and triggers. Even so, the three networks are all separate, and I somehow doubt that you can access the Winny network directly through Share.

cattz wrote:
"Share is, and has been, the source of most everything jap porn related for years and years to begin with, before it, winny, hell, it's even the same network."

JAV rippers mostly post to OpenNap servers like Zerosen first, and only slowly do these videos spread to WinMX, Share and Winny. Also, Share and Winny are two separate networks.

I agree though on Share being better than torrents in many ways. Share downloads come down much faster, my ISP doesn't throttle Share at all, and there is a greater variety of files available. BitTorrent hasn't really caught on in Japan yet. People are worried about the legality of setting up trackers and search engines, and in any case, Japanese p2pers prefer Winny, WinMX, Limewire, Share and Cabos.

I think though if you can read and write a bit of Japanese, and have a well organized collection, connecting to OpenNap via Utatane is better still. It has a wider range of videos, fast downloads, and you can browse people's collections, and chat.

I haven't tried Perfect Dark, but my impression is that it hasn't really taken off in Japan yet.
 

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Whoa, that's not what I meant at all.

And that's not really true. Share and Winny are nothing like freenet in their "anonymity", for a start, I can see the IP of everyone I connect to on share and they can see me. Add to that the fact that freenet is open-source and share relies on its closed source nature to remain 'secure' (which it isn't, less so since it's been possible to deploy robots on share to view the cache contents of everyone connected) and that share is written in delphi for win32 wheras freenet is written for the java machine etc. etc.

What I meant by "and supports the entire winny network as well as its own" is that every single file uploaded to winny can be downloaded by share. The blue ids for example, are winny nodes.
 

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Winny IDs in Share

I remember reading something on Serika's site about Winny IDs (i.e. user names) coming up blue in Share, but my interpretation of that was there are a lot of people who use both programs, and that they used the same IDs in both programs to help identify their uploads. Are you saying that I can take a Winny node list, and add it to my nodes in Share? Or that I can take Winny hashes, and run searches for them in Share?
 

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Apart from diskspace, Perfect Dark also seems to use a lot more cpu power, something to think about if you are like me and only got one cpucore.
 

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Imho, more than diskspace and CPU load what kills Perfect Dark is its slowness. I kept it open for a whole day to build up "unity" above 4Gb, but I still couldn't download anything at a decent rate.

At the end the speed and file availability is what matters above all, and torrents and Share works better on that front.

What's OpenNap now? Another one? Complications or disadvantages to use it instead of Share?
 

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Figured out by myself. I was able to connect, but now can't do anything because I got the english version of Utatane and it seems it can't display japanese characters, so I can't search for anything.

Is there any way to fix this?
 

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Utatane itself is easy to use. Traders on Zerosen and the other Japanese servers expect you to have each file in your collection clearly labeled, and to share as much as possible. 1 terabyte is the average, although I find lots of trading partners, and I usually share only 50 odd GBs of videos. The other thing is at first, you have to PM people before you get in their queue. If they are at the keyboard, they'll browse your collection for something they want, and then get in your queue so you can start each other. After you've done a couple of trades, people will add you to their auto-users group, and you can download from them at will. Another tip is to try to aim for times when Japanese people are online, 9 pm to 1 am Japanese time or weekends.

Utatane is a non-Unicode program, so you may have to change your Regional and Language Options in order to view Japanese. If you are using Windows XP, there are several settings that need to be changed:
To install the fonts, and add the code pages:
Regional and Language Options - Languages tab - tick the box next to "Install files for East Asian languages." You will need to have a Windows XP CD with the "lang" folder on it in order to install.
Regional and Language Options - Languages tab - Click Details under "Text services and input languages" - Advanced tab - tick the box next to "Extend support for advanced text services to all programs"
Regional and Language Options - Advanced tab - set the "Language for non-Unicode programs" to the CJK language you want.
Windows 2000 and Vista have similar settings. After this in Windows Explorer and dialog boxes, back slashes will appear as yen marks, but this is the only change you are likely to notice. Alternatively, you could try the Microsoft Applocale Utility to switch back and forth between languages on the fly.

I've uploaded my OpenNap FAQ to the P2P Support channel.
 

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Yeah, I figured out most of it but it isn't really doable.

There are undoubtedly a lot of files but no way to know who has an open upload slot. I kept the program open for 10+ hours without getting anything done at all, that's worse than Perfect Dark.

I guess it's a possibility only if you can type japanese or if you really have a huge collection. For everyone else it looks kind of useless.

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Why under state I see "que 1" as I queue a download, then with every passing hour the number INCREASES? Shouldn't happen the contrary?
 

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"There are undoubtedly a lot of files but no way to know who has an open upload slot."

Just right click on a file, and select User info. It tells you how many uploads they have in progress.

"I kept the program open for 10+ hours without getting anything done at all, that's worse than Perfect Dark."

It's hardest at the beginning I guess. After you develop a few trading partners, you can download things from them. I even have a couple of friends now who go searching for videos for me.

"I guess it's a possibility only if you can type Japanese or if you really have a huge collection. For everyone else it looks kind of useless."

I have five or six English-speaking friends who use Utatane regularly. It does help of course if you can read and write Japanese, but I know one Spanish guy who has had success pasting in Japanese phrases from my FAQ, and then chatting with people in English. You do have to have a fair number of videos shared, say maybe 40GBs.

"Why under state I see "que 1" as I queue a download, then with every passing hour the number INCREASES? Shouldn't happen the contrary?"

OpenNap is a trader's network. There are some users who will upload files to you with no strings attached, but especially at the beginning, most users want to do a couple of exchanges first, see if you will stick around for their downloads to finish, and only then add you to their auto-users group. What is happening is that people in their auto-users group are moving ahead of you in queue.

This is all outlined in my FAQ, but before you PM someone, you should browse their collection, and try to guess what kind of files they are looking for, and in your first PM, call attention to files in your collection they might like. If you have something they want, they will trade with you.

Also as I said above, a good time to initiate trades is when they are just getting home from work 9 p.m. Japan time on weekdays, or when they get up Saturday or Sunday morning. If there are more than 2000 people on Zerosen, that is a good sign that there are a lot of people at their keyboards.

OpenNap is not a beginner's network obviously, but if you put a little effort into beefing up and labeling your collection, and then work at establishing relationships with other users there with similar interests, it is doable I think.
 

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Just right click on a file, and select User info. It tells you how many uploads they have in progress.
Most of those I have in download queue show 0 and 0. So I guess they are idle, yet it's better idle than letting me download something.

It's hardest at the beginning I guess. After you develop a few trading partners, you can download things from them. I even have a couple of friends now who go searching for videos for me.
Can't afford a load of HD space to dedicate. I usually download through torrents and burn on DVD a couple of weeks later.

I actually have more than 60Gb of stuff spread around the HD, but they aren't organized (as I shuffle stuff to free space continuously) and I've noticed that Utatane doesn't let me add files that happen to have chinese characters (since most torrents arrive from minip2p).

I also tried your FAQ with WinMX and it's a bit better. At least it searches for sources on its own, resumes download and shows your number in the queue. On Utatane a file could be shared between 100 clients, but you'll always just connect to one manually. On WinMx you queue the file and the more sources the better. So, maybe, it works.

I'm trying to download this rare thing: 栃木佳 激写 Vol.30 小悪魔 栃木佳 日本メディアサプライ

But still no luck. At least on WinMx I'm seeing queue numbers decrease...
 

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Utatane and WinMX

"Most of those I have in download queue show 0 and 0. So I guess they are idle, yet it's better idle than letting me download something."

Yeah, queues in Utatane are never long. In this case, they were either away from their keyboard, or else they couldn't find anything in your collection that they wanted. What time of day were you online? Do you have some files that you think the other guy might like?

"Can't afford a load of HD space to dedicate. I usually download through torrents and burn on DVD a couple of weeks later."

I make txt file dummies of the files I have burned to DVD, so they can request them if they want.

"I actually have more than 60Gb of stuff spread around the HD, but they aren't organized (as I shuffle stuff to free space continuously) and I've noticed that Utatane doesn't let me add files that happen to have chinese characters (since most torrents arrive from minip2p)."

OpenNap users are fairly picky about labeling. It needs to have a tag at the beginning like (AV) or (IV) or whatever, so they can sort through your collection. I have a couple of videos downloaded from torrents in my shared library, but I just rename them to the original Japanese DVD title.

"I also tried your FAQ with WinMX, and it's a bit better. At least it searches for sources on its own, resumes download and shows your number in the queue."

I do like, and use WinMX a fair bit. Just to be clear though, Utatane resumes downloads, but actually you rarely need to because the people you are trading with almost always stay online till you both finish. If you turn on auto-complete, it will even reconnect if you lose your connection. Utatane also has auto-trade features built in, while for WinMX you have to get MX Monitor to do that.

"On Utatane a file could be shared between 100 clients, but you'll always just connect to one manually."

Actually, if you ever get a download started, you'll find it finishes faster in Utatane than WinMX. Utatane is newer and more streamlined. There are more people on T1 or T3, and even between two DSL connections the downloads can be quite fast. Most people devote all their bandwidth to a single exchange, and they never go offline in the middle.

"On WinMX, you queue the file and the more sources the better. So, maybe, it works."

You are right that it is possible to download several files at once, and get multiple sources for each file in much the same way Share does. In the right conditions, I can get WinMX downloading as fast as Utatane or Rapidshare. Share can go faster still, but in WinMX and Utatane the speeds are pretty steady. In Share, you get these bursts, and then longer periods of no downloads at all.

"I'm trying to download this rare thing: 栃木佳 激写 Vol.30 小悪魔 栃木佳 日本メディアサプライ. But still no luck. At least on WinMX I'm seeing queue numbers decrease..."

The real advantage to Share is that if there is a complete file out there, you'll probably get it if you stay online long enough. With WinMX, it is better to try to download files with multiple sources, because users with large collections of rare videos are likely to be using MX Monitor, limiting themselves to one for one exchanges. Once a file spreads though, there will be users who will upload it to anyone.

I have been using WinMX for years, and I've managed to download thousands of Japanese videos with it. It is especially good for recent J-dramas. I got into Utatane a couple of months ago, and then Share just recently. Right now, I tend to alternate between all three. OpenNap has the most files and then Share, but I find WinMX easy to use, and it's good for older videos and popular stuff.
 

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Yeah, queues in Utatane are never long. In this case, they were either away from their keyboard, or else they couldn't find anything in your collection that they wanted. What time of day were you online? Do you have some files that you think the other guy might like?
Hardly. With a collection of a Terabyte on average you wonder what they may miss...

"Can't afford a load of HD space to dedicate. I usually download through torrents and burn on DVD a couple of weeks later."


"I'm trying to download this rare thing: 栃木佳 激写 Vol.30 小悪魔 栃木佳 日本メディアサプライ. But still no luck. At least on WinMX I'm seeing queue numbers decrease..."

The real advantage to Share is that if there is a complete file out there, you'll probably get it if you stay online long enough. With WinMX, it is better to try to download files with multiple sources, because users with large collections of rare videos are likely to be using MX Monitor, limiting themselves to one for one exchanges. Once a file spreads though, there will be users who will upload it to anyone.
Yeah, but that video title doesn't seem to exist on Share. I found it only on WinMx and Zerosen, and only 3-4 sources in total...
 

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"Hardly. With a collection of a Terabyte on average you wonder what they may miss..."

You'd be surprised. I got into a conversation with one guy, asking about a particular series he had, and he said he hadn't watched it. Some of them just seem to collect for the sake of collecting. I wouldn't be too intimidated though. If you collect files of a certain genre or actress, you probably have files that they don't.

"Yeah, but that video title doesn't seem to exist on Share. I found it only on WinMX and Zerosen, and only 3-4 sources in total..."

3-4 sources is not too bad. Have you made it to the front of someone's queue in WinMX yet? That will tell you how strictly they have MX Monitor set. If you don't get any bites on WinMX, you can ask people on Zerosen what they are looking for, go off to find it, and then exchange. In both cases though, you might want to clean up your file names a bit. It is easier to get trades if they know what they are looking at.
 

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If you want to speed up the process of building up a unity cache in Perfect Dark, just upload 2gb worth of data. Once you have 2gb of unity cache, your downloads should start.