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I thought I had a good general knowledge of JAV, but there’s this one thing that I only gradually discovering. I don’t quite understand it yet and I don’t know if there’s a name for it. After puzzling for weeks, literally, I just came up with a phrase for it: Anonymous Idol.

What is it? An Anonymous Idol (AI) is a performer who work full time and appear in many vids (I'd say an absolute minimum of 6 a year, but I guess 20+ per year isn't uncommon). Most often an AI's vid is not a solo work, so she either perform in a scene only or she's in a group sex scene with other idols. An AI isn't totally unknown, the ones that I like tend to be good enough to put out a solo work or two. But in order to qualify as "anonymous" an AI should be mostly releasing vids anonymously as a fake amateur.

Well what are these vids? Classic examples are Magic Mirror Bus, Apache, Hunter, ATOM, VRTM, certain SOD titles. Basically the best labels or studios in the amateur or fake amateur game. I'm interested in these titles and AI's because this is the intersection of the best of two worlds: amateur genre offer kinky themes and crazy/silly setup and erotic games, AI's provide high quality T&A (sometimes pretty face too), sexual skills, experience with the camera, and some degree of familiarity.

Needless to say, there is a variability or unpredictability with "amateur" vids, when I see "素人" (amateur) and "一般男女" (average men and women) I used to think (1) not very hot looking; (2) men with limp prick, women who can't ride. And often that's the case! But now that I know, it's possible to distinguish "amateur" vids which are garbage and "fake amateur" which are often better than the most prestigious series.

The other aspect that's making me create this separate thread is that it's not the easiest thing to track this particular genre. DMM (and almost all other info sites just rip their data from DMM) don't list the idol's names for amateur vids and don't list those vids under the tag by idol's name. So the only reliable way to track it is to go to sougouwiki.com using either DVD code (if you have an amateur vid but need to find out or confirm the idols) or idol's name in Japanese. Many AI's have multiple stage names which compounds the problem but luckily Sougouwiki track those. (HINT: click on the radio button ページ名 for idol's name) For fans not comfortable with Japanese, it's pretty annoying. This factor distinguish AI's from regular idols who may once in a while dabble in fake amateur vids. E.g. 尾上若葉 Wakaba Onoue has a regular AV career so if you track her monthly releases on DMM you would have more than enough vids for your regular needs. Only if you are a completist would you care that she also makes a lot of vids as a uncredited fake amateur.

A real AI is slightly below the surface and easily escape notice of a casual AV fan. Which is how I only discover such a thing after one of my fav top idols eventually became an AI and it took me ... I'd say more than a year of despair to finally figure it out.


So let me give a few examples, fav or mine, to hopefully get more attention for these, literally, unsung heroines:
Ruru Aizawa 逢沢るる (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b0%a9%c2%f4%a4%eb%a4%eb )
Ruru is the absolute perfect example, the first few years of her career was as a SOD "female employee" (女子社員) as if her day job is as an innocent OL in the marketing department of SOD and only once (or more than once) tricked into performing sex for porn. In time she appeared enough times as female employee that she kinda got promoted to a "senior" or "veteran" status, and given a name (vids and DVD codes to add later). Finally she "graduated" and even made a few solo works with the name Ruru Aizawa and also at least one gravue book. But she didn't make it as a top idol and now (as before) you can only track her vids from Sougouwiki. Ruru has wonderful big tits, is a 3-yr veteran but is still incredibly young (she started at 19 years 1 month)

Honoka Orihara 折原ほのか (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c0%d6%b0%e6%c8%fe%b7%ee)
As Mitsuki Akai, she was once a top idol (at least in my head) and made a number of all time classics with E-Body. Then she went uncensored and quietly faded away. I was disappointed her career was so short (generally I don't lose sleep over girls who retire after a few vids) and then someone kindly alerted me to Honoka Orihara, her rebooted self. Honoka also made a number of solo works, but with less prestigious studios, and then repeated the pattern: uncensored vids and fading career. And then... finally I figured it out: she has became an AI as of about mid-2016. And for an idol who has (it seems) lost her name, she's still getting top-billing. As in, a vid with multiple idols, Honoka is usually front and centre on the DVD cover. Bottom line, her name isn't golden any more but her tits can rake in the money. The strange reality is (might be) that Honoka Orihara is still making some uncensored vids (couple times a year?) but mostly doing fake amateur vids (approaching 20 vids a year??), but the later is uncredited so most fans may only notice her as a uncensored idol (cheap whore in certain circles).

Shiori Tsukada 塚田詩織 (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c4%cd%c5%c4%bb%ed%bf%a5)
Umi Hirose 広瀬うみ (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b9%ad%c0%a5%a4%a6%a4%df)

I am not very familiar with these two girls, but my impression is that they also fit the bill: not very strong independent career, but regular appearance as fake amateur. Basically, AI's provide a basic guarantee of professionalism for "amateur" vids.
 

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its great someone has start this topic ;)

I made a thread, but its not working : https://www.akiba-online.com/thread...irls-who-performed-in-amateur-videos.1682412/

girls who performs for Switch, AKNR, Apache, Hunter, Atom, Super Shirotou, Hentai Shinshi Kurabu, many other studios and some SOD's series and Prestige's couple sex documentaries are oftenly uncredited or labeled as amateurs, most of them are popular and very bussy freelancers

I noticed recently even super girl like Aika did these uncredited vids :eek:

from my "research" vids with nampa category are very potential to have familiar faces as uncredited / fake amateurs ;)

after Mr Jugulear introduced me to Sougouwiki, I started to browse and find more and more vids that I didn't know before

here the list of AV idols who have many (at least 3) "amateur" vids :

Wakaba Onoue
Hinata Tachibana
Aimi Yoshikawa
Honoka Orihara
Shiori Tsukada
Nozomi Sasayama
Akemi Horiuchi
Ruru Aizawa
 

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there also kikaku models, like Inertia has mentioned above, there are rare to perform, maybe because there are not familiar so I didn't know if they actually are regular players

these kikaku models oftenly appear in group scenes, and oftenly only did kissing, groping, BJ HJ, dry humping but not do real penetration act, but some did full course

HNDS-037 beside the 4 main actresses, there are some other girls who wearing bikinis but did not get fuck

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HND-271 Chinami Sakura bring her uncredited friends

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MIDD-916 Rina Oshima visited orgy group, there are 3 more girls, all of them are uncredited, and only 1 of them who get fuck, while 2 other only done BJ services

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IPZ-893 have "amateur" girl who did MMFF act with Tsubasa Amami

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HODV-21137 Rion Ichijou joined an orgy party with other "amateurs", all the females get fuck and some of them wearing mask

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Honoka Orihara 折原ほのか (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c0%d6%b0%e6%c8%fe%b7%ee)
As Mitsuki Akai, she was once a top idol (at least in my head) and made a number of all time classics with E-Body. Then she went uncensored and quietly faded away. I was disappointed her career was so short (generally I don't lose sleep over girls who retire after a few vids) and then someone kindly alerted me to Honoka Orihara, her rebooted self. Honoka also made a number of solo works, but with less prestigious studios, and then repeated the pattern: uncensored vids and fading career. And then... finally I figured it out: she has became an AI as of about mid-2016. And for an idol who has (it seems) lost her name, she's still getting top-billing. As in, a vid with multiple idols, Honoka is usually front and centre on the DVD cover. Bottom line, her name isn't golden any more but her tits can rake in the money. The strange reality is (might be) that Honoka Orihara is still making some uncensored vids (couple times a year?) but mostly doing fake amateur vids (approaching 20 vids a year??), but the later is uncredited so most fans may only notice her as a uncensored idol (cheap whore in certain circles).
I've been tracking her for quite some time and indeed she has a very beautiful image.

Thanks for the topic, I'll be following by.
 

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@Inertia you translated that article? Did you write/translate many articles on that site? COOL.

Yes I suppose planning model maybe one and the same as AI. Maybe if I want to slice and dice it a bit too finely... Planning model may be a boarder category which include many (??) real amateurs, students, OL's and housewives who need a bit of easy cash but don't want to be exposed, they probably don't have a prolific/long career, sometimes perform as background roles in large orgy scene, usually don't take a prominent position on the DVD cover. My (subjective?) angle on AI's are those who are real professionals and quite recognizable if you know to look for it. So basically those planning models who have done at least a 20 vids (maybe 2+ years career), and hot enough and skillful enough to carry a whole sex scene, perhaps a whole vid. Basically someone worth my time tracking on Sougouwiki.

its great someone has start this topic ;)
I made a thread, but its not working : https://www.akiba-online.com/thread...irls-who-performed-in-amateur-videos.1682412/
I noticed recently even super girl like Aika did these uncredited vids :eek:
Well take heart, most threads don't work. The thread starter is usually the one most responsible for keeping it alive. Anyway... again to cut it a bit fine. AI refers to a categorization of AV performers. Your thread (a useful one, keep it up!) focus on vids and/or roles. As in Ayumi Shinoda made a bunch of planning or amateur vids as MILF or teacher etc. But if you are talking about her (before retirement) as a particular type of performer, then definitely she was a top idol. Aika also is a top idol who sometimes made a few planning vids.

Actually it's not crazy to say that every idol, perhaps minus a few superstars at the very top end, have done at least a few planning vids uncredited.

girls who performs for Switch, AKNR, Apache, Hunter, Atom, Super Shirotou, Hentai Shinshi Kurabu, many other studios and some SOD's series and Prestige's couple sex documentaries are oftenly uncredited
Actually I am only paying some attention to Hunter, Apache and sometimes SOD. I still don't have a system yet. It'd be cool to discuss some labels and series that you like. My pref is professional quality idols and production value disguised as amateur.

(at least 3) "amateur" vids : Wakaba Onoue Hinata Tachibana Aimi Yoshikawa Honoka Orihara Shiori Tsukada Nozomi Sasayama Akemi Horiuchi Ruru Aizawa
OK let's slice and dice again:
Wakaba Onoue still have a strong career. Like Aika etc, everyone dabbles in fake amateur vids, it's just another paying jobs.
Hinata Tachibana... I don't know her... search... sure rather low profile in the "mainstream", could be a candidate for AI. BUT... I wonder (consider her long career) if it's a case that she's just a generic low-rank AV performer who takes whatever job offers which include (seems) a lot superheroine vids and also (like everyone else) a few planning vids.
Aimi Yoshikawa. We already covered in the other thread. I would be happiest if she can maintain a dual track (mutli-tracks) career with both high profile solo works, AI/fake amateurs, and also some kinky genres like S&M.
Nozomi Sasayama. new name to me... oh NO. Ayumi Shinoda might be a hot MILF, but Nozomi definitely crossed the line to grandma porn territory, I don't want to be involved in any world that put her and "idol" in the same sentence.
Akemi Horiuchi... another unfamiliar name... Ahh sure low profile enough. Definitely on the mature side, but still safely in MILF territory. Have to check out her uncredited "opus" :)

there also kikaku models, like Inertia has mentioned above, there are rare to perform, maybe because there are not familiar so I didn't know if they actually are regular players
these kikaku models oftenly appear in group scenes, and oftenly only did kissing, groping, BJ HJ, dry humping but not do real penetration act, but some did full course
Those planning models, and/or roles I exactly want to exclude from AI. I mean you would never hire Aimi to just dry hump or keep her panty on. Mostly, when I see them I consider them a waste of screen real estate. Sometimes it would be better to replace them with furniture, seriously. An AI ought to play a central (sexual) role in most scenes they appear in.

An AI ought to be so hot and sexy that deserve one's attention/following, .
An AI need to lack a high profile career outside of those planning/fake amateur vids, otherwise she's just a regular top idol and need not be label "anonymous".

Or another way to look at them is they ought to be in some top-20 or at least top-50 ranking but they don't, only because their vids are mostly uncredited.
 
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How about this, a challenge to fans of various labels/series: Name your favorite performers (doesn't need to be strictly uncredited) for some of these series:

Hunter: Honoka Orihara, Ruru Aizawa
Apache: same as above
SOD (女子社員 female employees):
Magic Mirror Bus (一般男女 average men and women) :
ANKR:
Switch:
Atom:
Super Shirotou:
Hentai Shinshi Kurabu:
various/TBD (erotic incest games):
various/TBD (女子大生 college students):

I've put in my own favs for Hunter (mainly) but those girls also perform for Apache (I think). Particularly, Ruru had graduated from SOD "employees" sometime ago, so who are their top "employees" now? Who is the next Ruru?
 

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Yes I suppose planning model maybe one and the same as AI. Maybe if I want to slice and dice it a bit too finely... Planning model may be a boarder category which include many (??) real amateurs, students, OL's and housewives who need a bit of easy cash but don't want to be exposed, they probably don't have a prolific/long career, sometimes perform as background roles in large orgy scene, usually don't take a prominent position on the DVD cover. My (subjective?) angle on AI's are those who are real professionals and quite recognizable if you know to look for it. So basically those planning models who have done at least a 20 vids (maybe 2+ years career), and hot enough and skillful enough to carry a whole sex scene, perhaps a whole vid. Basically someone worth my time tracking on Sougouwiki.

I don't believe they are real amateurs, but I do believe many of them are semi pro or part timer; real students, office lady, shop clerk or housewives who tried to get some income from AV

and yes they don't have a prolific long career in AV, oftenly don't take a prominent position on the DVD cover and in the scene too, they only on the background as additional players

Well take heart, most threads don't work. The thread starter is usually the one most responsible for keeping it alive. Anyway... again to cut it a bit fine. AI refers to a categorization of AV performers. Your thread (a useful one, keep it up!) focus on vids and/or roles. As in Ayumi Shinoda made a bunch of planning or amateur vids as MILF or teacher etc. But if you are talking about her (before retirement) as a particular type of performer, then definitely she was a top idol. Aika also is a top idol who sometimes made a few planning vids.

Actually it's not crazy to say that every idol, perhaps minus a few superstars at the very top end, have done at least a few planning vids uncredited.

already accept the fate :)

ah you mentioned Ayumi Shinoda, she also have many uncredited vids ;)

yes agree with you, its not crazy

Aika uncredited ... unbelievablebut its happened

its silly but this is JAV, where studios still selling popular girls as amateur :D

Actually I am only paying some attention to Hunter, Apache and sometimes SOD. I still don't have a system yet. It'd be cool to discuss some labels and series that you like. My pref is professional quality idols and production value disguised as amateur.

Prestige have done it, they trid to made vids to looks like amateur home made vids, not using cameran but steady camera, but still we can clearly noticed its pro production

OK let's slice and dice again:
Wakaba Onoue still have a strong career. Like Aika etc, everyone dabbles in fake amateur vids, it's just another paying jobs.
Hinata Tachibana... I don't know her... search... sure rather low profile in the "mainstream", could be a candidate for AI. BUT... I wonder (consider her long career) if it's a case that she's just a generic low-rank AV performer who takes whatever job offers which include (seems) a lot superheroine vids and also (like everyone else) a few planning vids.
Aimi Yoshikawa. We already covered in the other thread. I would be happiest if she can maintain a dual track (mutli-tracks) career with both high profile solo works, AI/fake amateurs, and also some kinky genres like S&M.
Nozomi Sasayama. new name to me... oh NO. Ayumi Shinoda might be a hot MILF, but Nozomi definitely crossed the line to grandma porn territory, I don't want to be involved in any world that put her and "idol" in the same sentence.
Akemi Horiuchi... another unfamiliar name... Ahh sure low profile enough. Definitely on the mature side, but still safely in MILF territory. Have to check out her uncredited "opus" :)

Hinata Tachibana, Mikuni Maisaki and many other girls who did not lucky enough to get high profile jobs oftenly

Nozomi Sasayama difinitely not young, but she not grandma, she still in mom category ;)

Those planning models, and/or roles I exactly want to exclude from AI. I mean you would never hire Aimi to just dry hump or keep her panty on. Mostly, when I see them I consider them a waste of screen real estate. Sometimes it would be better to replace them with furniture, seriously. An AI ought to play a central (sexual) role in most scenes they appear in.

An AI ought to be so hot and sexy that deserve one's attention/following, .
An AI need to lack a high profile career outside of those planning/fake amateur vids, otherwise she's just a regular top idol and need not be label "anonymous".

Or another way to look at them is they ought to be in some top-20 or at least top-50 ranking but they don't, only because their vids are mostly uncredited.

I think Yui Oba, Saya Niiyama, Saryu Usui, Maya Kawamura, Hinata Tachibana, Mikuni Maisaki, Kaori Saejima, Mei Kurose are fit into category ?

I've did my own research to find "unknown gems" but I always find that actually they are perform regularly, they have many credited vids too, sometimes we don't notice yet because they have many different stage names
 
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How about this, a challenge to fans of various labels/series: Name your favorite performers (doesn't need to be strictly uncredited) for some of these series:

Hunter: Honoka Orihara, Ruru Aizawa
Apache: same as above
SOD (女子社員 female employees):
Magic Mirror Bus (一般男女 average men and women) :
ANKR:
Switch:
Atom:
Super Shirotou:
Hentai Shinshi Kurabu:
various/TBD (erotic incest games):
various/TBD (女子大生 college students):

I give up on this

rare to watch nampa or planing vids, except they have interesting orgy scene or very hot girls

I've put in my own favs for Hunter (mainly) but those girls also perform for Apache (I think). Particularly, Ruru had graduated from SOD "employees" sometime ago, so who are their top "employees" now? Who is the next Ruru?

but I can answer this one ;)

recently I like this girl Karen Satou, 3 vids only so far

if she have long career in AV, and perform in more vids I think she will be the next star

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Yui Oba, Saya Niiyama, Saryu Usui, Maya Kawamura, Hinata Tachibana, Mikuni Maisaki, Kaori Saejima, Mei Kurose are fit into category ?
I've did my own research to find "unknown gems" but I always find that actually they are perform regularly, they have many credited vids too, sometimes we don't notice yet because they have many different stage names

Yeah... definitely one half of the story is "unknown gems", e.g. Ruru (I think) is an unknown gem, outside of SOD and uncredited vids, she has never been a top idol, so many AV fans don't know her.

Another half of the story is some performers may be already known, either mid-ranking idols or formerly-top-but-now-average idols, e.g. Orihara, but qualifies as AI since in the prestigious series/studios/labels these mid-ranking or has-beens are very uncompetitive, next to red hot stars like Yua Mikami, they are invisible. But in the "amateur" arena, competing against OLs and housewives they are the queens.

Karen Satou 佐藤カレン awesome, gonna check her out.
Hinata Tachibana 橘ひなた
Akemi Horiuchi 堀内秋美
Yui Oba 大場ゆい (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c2%e7%be%ec%a4%e6%a4%a4)
Saya Niiyama 新山沙弥
Maya Kawamura 川村まや (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c0%ee%c2%bc%a4%de%a4%e4)
... (place holder)

check this post again after I found time to research all the suggestions.

Kanna Misaki 美咲かんな (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c8%fe%ba%e9%a4%ab%a4%f3%a4%ca)

Well so far Yui Oba 大場ゆい is a huge hit. Compare her list on Sougouwiki vs. on JAVBUS (equal to DMM) you see she's quite active but you wouldn't know it if you look at DMM.
 
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Yeah... definitely one half of the story is "unknown gems", e.g. Ruru (I think) is an unknown gem, outside of SOD and uncredited vids, she has never been a top idol, so many AV fans don't know her.

Another half of the story is some performers may be already known, either mid-ranking idols or formerly-top-but-now-average idols, e.g. Orihara, but qualifies as AI since in the prestigious series/studios/labels these mid-ranking or has-beens are very uncompetitive, next to red hot stars like Yua Mikami, they are invisible. But in the "amateur" arena, competing against OLs and housewives they are the queens.

they are in "not good enough for major league, too good for minor league" situation

Karen Satou 佐藤カレン awesome, gonna check her out.

about Karen Satou, I think SOD has done very good promotion

claimed she is an assistant director, want to work hard and learn a lot, including trying to have sex with pro actor, can't wait to see her next vids
 

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Ren Otsuka, Mao Kurata, Mio Kayama, Ian Hanasaki might fit the criteria ?
 

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I don't want to be the final judge of each candidate you throw out. I'd say we need at least 4 more members to participate in discussion (see loli, VR, orgy/harem threads). And share, and find hidden gems, discuss or shine light on new planning models and AI.

If I'm the only judge this thread will die pretty soon. I've explained my angle clear enough, hopefully it can catch on and I especially want to be open to some variant angles. If you think someone is fit for this categorization, post some pix, mention a vid or two and tell why she fits and why you like her. (it's not so fun/interesting to spend time on an idol you don't like)

Of course I admit I haven't done a fantastic job selling the idea. I may need to do more to attract some fan to say "hey thanks for highlighting this unknown gem".
 
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I don't want to be the final judge of each candidate you throw out. I'd say we need at least 4 more members to participate in discussion (see loli, VR, orgy/harem threads). And share, and find hidden gems, discuss or shine light on new planning models and AI.

If I'm the only judge this thread will die pretty soon. I've explained my angle clear enough, hopefully it can catch on and I especially want to be open to some variant angles. If you think someone is fit for this categorization, post some pix, mention a vid or two and tell why she fits and why you like her. (it's not so fun/interesting to spend time on an idol you don't like)

Of course I admit I haven't done a fantastic job selling the idea. I may need to do more to attract some fan to say "hey thanks for highlighting this unknown gem".

agree we need more participants

I've made my list of AV idols who have performed in many vids as uncredited :

Wakaba Onoue
Honoka Orihara
Aimi Yoshikawa
Honoka Orihara
Ren Otsuka
Yui Oba
Saya Niiyama
Saryu Usui
Maya Kawamura
Mikuni Maisaki
Kaori Saejima
Hinata Tachibana
Shiori Tsukada
Nozomi Sasayama
Akemi Horiuchi
Ruru Aizawa
Mei Kurose
Mio Kayama
Ian Hanasaki
Yume Mizuki

more will be add ;)
 

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Hinata Tachibana, Mikuni Maisaki and many other girls who did not lucky enough to get high profile jobs oftenly

Mikuni Maisaki, great girl. Stunning body and beautiful face. Even her uncensored stuff is good. In Heyzo-0907, she is in a "hungry mode" and suck the crew haha.

Nozomi Sasayama difinitely not young, but she not grandma, she still in mom category ;)

Yeah. I didn't know her so I thought she was 50+. It turned out she's only 40. Not as fit as my favourite mature actresses but just by looking at her face, she doesn't fit the granny category for sure haha.

Two favourites of mine can be listed as AI I think :

Ayase Kotori/Maizono Hina (my avatar). Very few solo movies (most were her Kawaii debut), most of time she features in one scene in a multi actresses movie.
Sena Mao (sadly retired)

I also think about :
Kawane Kurumi
Shirosaki Aoi
 

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Mikuni Maisaki, great girl. Stunning body and beautiful face. Even her uncensored stuff is good. In Heyzo-0907, she is in a "hungry mode" and suck the crew haha.

nice to have you here too darksider :top:

yes she's hot, pretty face & hot body, done very good performances, but not lucky enough to get main stage

from what learned I many of this AI are ex Idea Pocket's girls, Mikuni Maisaki, Saya Niiyama, Kaori Saejima and Ichika Kuroki was performed for ID at the early of their career

Yeah. I didn't know her so I thought she was 50+. It turned out she's only 40. Not as fit as my favourite mature actresses but just by looking at her face, she doesn't fit the granny category for sure haha.

Two favourites of mine can be listed as AI I think :

Ayase Kotori/Maizono Hina (my avatar). Very few solo movies (most were her Kawaii debut), most of time she features in one scene in a multi actresses movie.
Sena Mao (sadly retired)

I also think about :
Kawane Kurumi
Shirosaki Aoi

she is stunning for mature women, pretty face, beautiful boobs and hot chubby body :mimisan:

yes Mao Sena is AI too, too bad she not active anymore
 
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claimed she is an assistant director, want to work hard and learn a lot, including trying to have sex with pro actor, can't wait to see her next vids
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Karen Satou 佐藤カレン

Hmm after checking the frame caps, I ended up not even downloading any of those vids. Too serious about pretending AD, working and learning, blah blah blah. End up looking like a real amateur vid (especially hate the poor lighting). I'm the kind of fans who want optimal lighting and camera angle even if it's supposed to be voyeur vid.

Hopefully she becomes a proper AV star, like you predict.

Few examples of great fake voyeur/fake amateur vids (SW-463, DVDMS-087, DVDMS-088)
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In real world, can you ever get such clear shots of naked women? No never! Only the most gullible otaku could believe such perfect alignment of naked hotties, lighting, window or half-open doorway, and camera angle is "real". Everyone knows it's a set-up. But that's fine! Knowing it's an act doesn't decrease the fantasy for me. When I watch it, I pretend in my head I'm the peeping tom and get a great kick out of it.


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This vid is supposed to be "civilians" brother and sister being tempted with money to engage in incest, without condom, even. Hey but I've seen these girls in lots of AV, even in group sex scenes. She isn't civilian and he isn't her brother. But who cares if it's real. I prefer to see an experienced AV idol making sex scene. And the scene set up is that the AD explained to them the rules and then exit the room, leaving the siblings to talk it over and (inevitably, of course) engage in the incest in private. The first frame kinda make a pretension of wall-mounted, un-intrusive camera. But to see the action properly, we need a cameraman next to the bed, within arms reach (second frame). The performers, being professionals, did a great job pretending the camera isn't there. They do a decent job of acting like they were the only two people in the room. At the same time, their performance is such it's perfectly captured by the camera. That is the stuff of good acting: perform for the camera but it looks like the camera isn't there.

Regular amateurs tend to either look at the camera or, more often, shy away from the camera.

SW-463: 彩奈リナ/尾上若葉/真木今日子 
尾上若葉 Wakaba Onoue, already mentioned (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c8%f8%be%e5%bc%e3%cd%d5)
I was thinking she's already too famous to be called AI, and also she doesn't go through 6 different aliases. But scanning her recent vids, maybe she's having a dual career, she does have a steady stream of solo works, plus lots of credited shared works (multi-idol titles) plus tons of uncredited "amateur" vids. Gosh is she making sex scenes every day of the month? How many cocks, how much sperm enters her pussy by the days and by the weeks. That's freaking hot!

DVDMS-087: 吉川あいみ/坂井亜美/涼海みさ
I'm not impressed with Ami Sakai, her boobies are too droopy.
涼海みさ Misa Suzumi might be a real discovery, she's probably a classic case of AI. (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%ce%c3%b3%a4%a4%df%a4%b5)

DVDMS-088:野々宮みさと(のぞみ)/斉藤みゆ(まりこ)/二宮和香(かずは)/広瀬うみ(りえ)
広瀬うみ Umi Hirose is probably a life-time AI, in the same mode as Ruru Aizawa. (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b9%ad%c0%a5%a4%a6%a4%df)
 

ding73ding

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Mikuni Maisaki, great girl. Stunning body and beautiful face. Even her uncensored stuff is good. In Heyzo-0907, she is in a "hungry mode" and suck the crew haha.



Yeah. I didn't know her so I thought she was 50+. It turned out she's only 40. Not as fit as my favourite mature actresses but just by looking at her face, she doesn't fit the granny category for sure haha.

Two favourites of mine can be listed as AI I think :

Ayase Kotori/Maizono Hina (my avatar). Very few solo movies (most were her Kawaii debut), most of time she features in one scene in a multi actresses movie.
Sena Mao (sadly retired)

I also think about :
Kawane Kurumi
Shirosaki Aoi
Mikuni Maisaki 舞咲みくに
Yes! she's great in uncensored, I wasn't aware she's big in AI. But isn't she retired from censored JAV now?

Ayase Kotori/Maizono Hina 綾瀬ことり / 舞園ひな A great call, she was under my radar until you bring her up. I just looked and she's in quite a few vids in my collection. She's so invisible I have not ever noticed the names Maizono Hina/舞園ひな and even Ayase Kotori, only the Japanese name 綾瀬ことり can ring a faint bell in my head. Have to pay more attention to her from now on.
http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b0%bd%c0%a5%a4%b3%a4%c8%a4%ea

Kawane Kurumi 河音くるみ yes she probably fit the category too. Should pay more attention to her.
http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b2%cf%b2%bb%a4%af%a4%eb%a4%df


Shirosaki Aoi 白咲碧 I have written quite a few posts about her. She's my type of loli, looks young and unassuming but behind closed doors a man-eating sex monster. She made a few gangbang and anal vids are my all-time favs, and then a few great uncensored vids and then disappeared. And then she rebooted as Kotone Suzumiya 涼宮琴音, but has not been very impressive since... maybe I should have checked out her AI work... Maybe she's in the same mode as Honoka Orihara.
http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c7%f2%ba%e9%ca%cb
 

darksider59

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nice to have you here too darksider :top:

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yes she's hot, pretty face & hot body, done very good performances, but not lucky enough to get main stage

Sometimes, it's really surprising how popularity rises or not.

from what learned I many of this AI are ex Idea Pocket's girls, Mikuni Maisaki, Saya Niiyama, Kaori Saejima and Ichika Kuroki was performed for ID at the early of their career

Akari Maijima is currently a Idea Pocket girl. She's in JAV since february 2016 so it's too early to add her here or not. Plus she's apparently not full time JAV actresse (she's also a university student according to her Twitter profile). But she has around 20k followers, pretty good I think. She's genki and not afraid of taking big loads on her face (in IPZ-833, she took the biggest load I've seen in a long time and continues to suck the guy after, so hot).

yes Mao Sena is AI too, too bad she not active anymore

She decided to stop her AV career to go to university.

Mikuni Maisaki 舞咲みくに
Yes! she's great in uncensored, I wasn't aware she's big in AI. But isn't she retired from censored JAV now?

Indeed, she's retired from censored JAV, and even uncensored because she did a retirement movie Caribbeancompr 042816_549. New 1pondo movies are released, but they are Caribbean duplicates.

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:cinta: I downloaded ONGP-006 couple months ago and I sadly deleted it due to the horrible audio quality.

Ayase Kotori/Maizono Hina 綾瀬ことり / 舞園ひな A great call, she was under my radar until you bring her up. I just looked and she's in quite a few vids in my collection. She's so invisible I have not ever noticed the names Maizono Hina/舞園ひな and even Ayase Kotori, only the Japanese name 綾瀬ことり can ring a faint bell in my head. Have to pay more attention to her from now on.
http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b0%bd%c0%a5%a4%b3%a4%c8%a4%ea

I found her randomly by picking a harem movie (YRH-098). The last movie she featured in was AP-362 last november.

Kawane Kurumi 河音くるみ yes she probably fit the category too. Should pay more attention to her.
http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b2%cf%b2%bb%a4%af%a4%eb%a4%df

I just came back to her when I wrote my last post haha. The lack of interesting movies moved me away from her for couple of months (I deleted her movies). Now I downloaded what I had from her and bookmarked her javlibrary page.

Shirosaki Aoi 白咲碧 I have written quite a few posts about her. She's my type of loli, looks young and unassuming but behind closed doors a man-eating sex monster. She made a few gangbang and anal vids are my all-time favs, and then a few great uncensored vids and then disappeared. And then she rebooted as Kotone Suzumiya 涼宮琴音, but has not been very impressive since... maybe I should have checked out her AI work... Maybe she's in the same mode as Honoka Orihara.
http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c7%f2%ba%e9%ca%cb

I agree that since she did a comeback under her new name, her releases aren't that much interesting. New girls entered into the business too so, I don't have any particular reason to pick her now. Still when I watch her IR movie trailer (not fond of IR though), I think it's one of the best in the DANDY series.

another girl,

Takeuchi Makoto : I remember watching KAWD-555 when I switch to JAV. I was in a "lesbian movies only" period at a moment. She has been around since 2014.
http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c3%dd%c6%e2%bf%bf%b6%d7
 
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Supmop

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Hmm after checking the frame caps, I ended up not even downloading any of those vids. Too serious about pretending AD, working and learning, blah blah blah. End up looking like a real amateur vid (especially hate the poor lighting). I'm the kind of fans who want optimal lighting and camera angle even if it's supposed to be voyeur vid.

Hopefully she becomes a proper AV star, like you predict.

she have fresh cute innocent face, something considered as gold in JAV

its depend on her decission, want to continue as performer or back as "AD"

Mikuni Maisaki 舞咲みくに
Yes! she's great in uncensored, I wasn't aware she's big in AI. But isn't she retired from censored JAV now?

I wouldn't say she retired, currently not active, and might perform uncredited for scoops, switch, aknr, ecc