Discussion about DMM website

[musical88]

Subtitles option will be coming soon

R18.com - Can you provide us with a link to a test file on your server (>1Gb) for us to test out our download speeds to your server? Current sample files on your website are too small (<15mb)

No point subscribing for the monthly channel if it is going to take multiple hours to download the HD versions.

 

[Madlay]

So, let me get this straight, if I purchase and download a movie from R18.com I can ONLY play that video on their official player, which I have to install from their site, and nothing else?

No VLC player, no GOM Player, no MPC...??? ONLY the R18 player? Is that correct?

Can anybody who's recently downloaded a video confirm that they do not work in other players?

 

[javboy2014]

So, let me get this straight, if I purchase and download a movie from R18.com I can ONLY play that video on their official player, which I have to install from their site, and nothing else?

No VLC player, no GOM Player, no MPC...??? ONLY the R18 player? Is that correct?

Can anybody who's recently downloaded a video confirm that they do not work in other players?

Yep. Also it's only available for windows / mac only.

 

[Madlay]

Yep. Also it's only available for windows / mac only.

Well, that stinks. And they've lost a potential customer right here.

Why on earth would I purchase video content from a website that I have to download specific software to play? They expect me to install a media player on my computer specifically to watch PORN purchased from their site?

Why don't I just go ahead and set up a screensaver which flashes "I LOVE WATCHING CUTE JAPANESE GIRLS GETTING BUKKAKE'D" in massive letters instead?!

When it comes to pornography you win customers by being discreet. Forcing your customers to install a porn-specific media player is not discreet.

Convenience is also an issue. People like to use players with specific features (e.g. I use VLC player when listening to music because its maximum volume is higher than other players) or use other software, such as editing software (e.g. I've edited out "rosebudding" and cuckold nastiness from scenes with performers I otherwise enjoy).

They need to listen to their customers and potential customers. People are clearly stating that they find these limitations inconvenient and unreasonable.Why not address them?

Why would people spend money on videos that they can't use at their own convenience when they can download pirated versions that they can?

There's nothing stopping them making their videos playable on other media players. Until they do, I won't be buying any videos from them.

To inconvenience customers who wish to purchase content legally is the quickest way to lose business and fuel piracy. It doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[hotan13]

Well, that stinks. And they've lost a potential customer right here.

Why on earth would I purchase video content from a website that I have to download specific software to play? They expect me to install a media player on my computer specifically to watch PORN purchased from their site?

Why don't I just go ahead and set up a screensaver which flashes "I LOVE WATCHING CUTE JAPANESE GIRLS GETTING BUKKAKE'D" in massive letters instead?!

When it comes to pornography you win customers by being discreet. Forcing your customers to install a porn-specific media player is not discreet.

Convenience is also an issue. People like to use players with specific features (e.g. I use VLC player when listening to music because its maximum volume is higher than other players) or use other software, such as editing software (e.g. I've edited out "rosebudding" and cuckold nastiness from scenes with performers I otherwise enjoy).

They need to listen to their customers and potential customers. People are clearly stating that they find these limitations inconvenient and unreasonable.Why not address them?

Why would people spend money on videos that they can't use at their own convenience when they can download pirated versions that they can?

There's nothing stopping them making their videos playable on other media players. Until they do, I won't be buying any videos from them.

To inconvenience customers who wish to purchase content legally is the quickest way to lose business and fuel piracy. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Totally agreed. DRM i dun care. At least change/fix the damn player!

 

[Justme4jav]

I have purchased probably about 40 movies from R18, I was about to purchase a handful more. I will not purchase any more at this point f I have to use a player from them that doesn't work well. You have to give the option to use VLC or something, windows media player won't be any good anymore as windows 10 won't include it and this DRM with their own player is a no go for me. So there you have it, someone who has spent hundreds of dollars with you and would have spent 100's more, is done. Not another dime if this is how you will operate.

 

[R18.com]

I have purchased probably about 40 movies from R18, I was about to purchase a handful more. I will not purchase any more at this point f I have to use a player from them that doesn't work well. You have to give the option to use VLC or something, windows media player won't be any good anymore as windows 10 won't include it and this DRM with their own player is a no go for me. So there you have it, someone who has spent hundreds of dollars with you and would have spent 100's more, is done. Not another dime if this is how you will operate.

Are you having issues with the R Player? Please let us know what kind of issues exactly and we will investigate. We are improving the player constantly.

VLC does not support any kind of DRM and one of the requirement from the Studios to sell their movies is protect it with DRM to avoid piracy.

Also streaming the videos does not require any additional player.

 

[R18.com]

Well, that stinks. And they've lost a potential customer right here.

Why on earth would I purchase video content from a website that I have to download specific software to play? They expect me to install a media player on my computer specifically to watch PORN purchased from their site?

Why don't I just go ahead and set up a screensaver which flashes "I LOVE WATCHING CUTE JAPANESE GIRLS GETTING BUKKAKE'D" in massive letters instead?!

When it comes to pornography you win customers by being discreet. Forcing your customers to install a porn-specific media player is not discreet.

Convenience is also an issue. People like to use players with specific features (e.g. I use VLC player when listening to music because its maximum volume is higher than other players) or use other software, such as editing software (e.g. I've edited out "rosebudding" and cuckold nastiness from scenes with performers I otherwise enjoy).

They need to listen to their customers and potential customers. People are clearly stating that they find these limitations inconvenient and unreasonable.Why not address them?

Why would people spend money on videos that they can't use at their own convenience when they can download pirated versions that they can?

There's nothing stopping them making their videos playable on other media players. Until they do, I won't be buying any videos from them.

To inconvenience customers who wish to purchase content legally is the quickest way to lose business and fuel piracy. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Your answer: https://wiki.videolan.org/Digital_Restrictions_Management/

 

[R18.com]

R18.com - Can you provide us with a link to a test file on your server (>1Gb) for us to test out our download speeds to your server? Current sample files on your website are too small (<15mb)

No point subscribing for the monthly channel if it is going to take multiple hours to download the HD versions.

I cannot provide you with a file in the servers that will simulate exactly the same as if you download a movie that you purchased.
If you want to test the speed before purchase a monthly subscription you can always try a VOD movie for less than $90 cents:
http://www.r18.com/common/search/order=cheap/price_max=501/unit=USD/

 

[Madlay]

Are you having issues with the R Player? Please let us know what kind of issues exactly and we will investigate. We are improving the player constantly.

My issue with the R Player is that I would have to install it at all.

I don't want porn-specific applications on my computer. I don't want to have to digitally ask permission to play videos that I have purchased, on a media player specific to those videos.

Instead of spending time and money improving the player, you should be spending that time and money making your content compatible with more widely used, inconspicuous and diverse media players, or petitioning the studios to drop DRM.

VLC does not support any kind of DRM and one of the requirement from the Studios to sell their movies is protect it with DRM to avoid piracy.

In which case you and the studios will continue to lose money from those people otherwise willing to pay for your content. Most media companies and their retailers have realised that DRM is not the way to prevent piracy, and instead fuels it.

There are three categories of people: 1. Those that can afford to pay and will pay; 2. Those that can just about or not quite afford to pay, and who will pirate material if the product is either not affordable, value for money or convenient; and 3. Those that will never pay.

Smart companies know that it is people in category 2. (especially international customers, like me) that they need to attract and will do what's necessary to make purchases more attractive to them. DRM and requiring installation of a limited, porn-specific media player is not the way to attract such customers.

Practically all of your content is already online illegally in one form or another. It makes zero sense to penalize the customers that do pay or are willing to pay by limiting what they can do with their purchased material.

Also streaming the videos does not require any additional player.

Many people, like me, aren't interested in streaming. They want to download and own the product that they have paid for. And play it when and how they wish to, without having to be connected to the internet, or logged onto a particular site, or relying on some server on the opposite side of the planet to be functioning properly.

I do hope your company and the studios see sense and start putting your customers' expectations ahead of stubbornly clinging to the last thread of futile anti-piracy technology, which only serves to punish legitimate paying customers.

Until then I will not be buying anything from your company.

 

[Justme4jav]

The player doesn't even have playback speed options or aspect ratio among other things. Unless I have missed them. How are you going to force people to use a media player that's only half complete anyway.

The main issue is that I have to use it. DRM is bad enough for something I freaking own but I dealt with that. But to force me to use your specific player is a joke. It's malware as far as I'm concerned. And maybe, just maybe there is a reason VLC doesn't support DRM.

We pay good money for these movies. Money that the labels would never see at all if it weren't for sites like yours because we can't get them any other way. So you guys should be the ones dictating to the labels regarding DRM and anything else. After all, you are getting them into a whole new market they would never reach without you. If they can't understand that and adjust, then let them lose out on all the income they get from us. But accepting their demands for DRM on a product they would never even get to sell to us if it weren't for you is inexcusable. And now, because of that and shoving this malware player down our throats instead of going to bat for us, you will lose customers and they will lose money.

 

[dafuck]

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[Inertia]

Folks, please take note that R18 provides probably the easiest way to legally procure digital copies of your favorite AV movies. The small, but vocal users of Akiba-Online obviously do not see eye to eye with them on some issues, but don't forget that just as much as they are a for-profit entity, they and the studios they sell on their site aren't faceless corporations.

Japanese and non-Japanese adult worlds are pretty different and it's obvious that those who work at the Ebisu Building are trying to unite them somehow. R18 and the J AV industry will continue to become more westernized, but it will take time and more time so just have patience in regards to things like their stances regarding digital protection.

 

[CodeGeek]

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Japanese and non-Japanese adult worlds are pretty different and it's obvious that those who work at the Ebisu Building are trying to unite them somehow. R18 and the J AV industry will continue to become more westernized, but it will take time and more time so just have patience in regards to things like their stances regarding digital protection.

I hope only in aspect of their organization and not in aspect of the content of their products.

 

[hotan13]

I only have one thing to say. Fix the DAMN laggy/stuttering R/DMM Player. No one likes to pay same/more than last time to have to endure a poorer/laggier playback quality due to stupid Silverlight player

 

[Casshern2]

You have to assume DMM makes a mint in Japan with more people paying than pirating . R18 was the answer everybody was looking for, the DMM site (basically) available outside of Japan without browser plugins or tricks . Well, DMM has DRM, so of course R18 does as well . Did anyone really think R18 would make DRM protected material available without protection for their site?

For me it is love it or leave it. I understand the concerns...you bought it, it is yours, you should be able to do what you want with it. Perhaps that's just a western philosophy. A law that prevents the shipping of physical adult media outside of Japan? Yet, the content of that material is available for legitimate purchase? I've purchased ONE title that was obviously never going to make it online (sorry, Captain) because I couldn't get the actual DVD. But I have it. Won't do it again, probably, because I can only watch it in one place. So I'm now content
finding things on the web when available.

R18 is gravy for DMM. Extra money . Can't imagine they're hurting financially as to seek out further markets . That's not to say there's anything wrong witht it. DRM is what they offer, everyone should know that going in. But, yes...RPlayer needs work.

 

[Electromog]

The problem isn't the DRM as such for most people, but the fact that you have to use their video player. This is a recent development both on R18 and on DMM, you didn't have to in the past.

They should just give the option to download a movie with DRM that will play in (for example) windows media player or something else. I'm sure there are enough players out there that can actually handle DRMed files.

Of course it would be even better if they gave up on DRM like the rest of the world, but since that's not about to happen they should at least look into the player option.

 

[Casshern2]

Microsoft dropped support for Windows Server 2003 which put an end to Windows Media Player + DRM to be ABLE to use Windows Media Player at all for their content. That's why they quickly had R Player developed. Seems a little too quickly.

 

[Madlay]

The player doesn't even have playback speed options or aspect ratio among other things. Unless I have missed them. How are you going to force people to use a media player that's only half complete anyway.

The main issue is that I have to use it. DRM is bad enough for something I freaking own but I dealt with that. But to force me to use your specific player is a joke. It's malware as far as I'm concerned. And maybe, just maybe there is a reason VLC doesn't support DRM.

We pay good money for these movies. Money that the labels would never see at all if it weren't for sites like yours because we can't get them any other way. So you guys should be the ones dictating to the labels regarding DRM and anything else. After all, you are getting them into a whole new market they would never reach without you. If they can't understand that and adjust, then let them lose out on all the income they get from us. But accepting their demands for DRM on a product they would never even get to sell to us if it weren't for you is inexcusable. And now, because of that and shoving this malware player down our throats instead of going to bat for us, you will lose customers and they will lose money.

Totally agree with all of this.

I live on the other side of the planet. To get hold of JAV movies in hard copy (DVD/Blu-Ray) is difficult and prohibitively expensive. Digital downloads would be perfect for me.

But if I'm going to spend money on downloading these movies then I want to actually own the copies that I have downloaded. I want to be able to play them on any device or media player that I choose to, and do whatever I wish to with my specific copy of the video.

I don't want to simply license the use of a digital copy and be obliged to connect to the internet or use a specific player to watch it. And I certainly don't want to have to rely on a continuous commitment to technical support and customer service from a foreign company/website, halfway across the world, regardless of how helpful their staff aim to be, when trying to watch porn.

Folks, please take note that R18 provides probably the easiest way to legally procure digital copies of your favorite AV movies. The small, but vocal users of Akiba-Online obviously do not see eye to eye with them on some issues, but don't forget that just as much as they are a for-profit entity, they and the studios they sell on their site aren't faceless corporations.

Japanese and non-Japanese adult worlds are pretty different and it's obvious that those who work at the Ebisu Building are trying to unite them somehow. R18 and the J AV industry will continue to become more westernized, but it will take time and more time so just have patience in regards to things like their stances regarding digital protection.

I appreciate that. And although my comments and criticisms may sound harsh, I do appreciate that the people at R18 are trying to be helpful, especially in regard to improving the R player.

However, it is very frustrating, especially for an international customer like me, to find an affordable and convenient way to buy something that you want only for the company to impose unnecessary and prohibitive conditions on your purchase.

There are a few Western companies that have still been stubbornly trying to retain control over how customers can use the media they purchase from them; but most have found that customers are more likely to spend their money if they will own a digital copy of their purchase which they can use as they wish rather than license a copy which they can only use under certain conditions.

I hope the people at R18 will take notice of what their customers are saying and take the issue up with the studios. Otherwise, sites like akiba-online and the content posted here will continue to be more appealing than purchasing copies via their website.

 

[Inertia]

A law that prevents the shipping of physical adult media outside of Japan? Yet, the content of that material is available for legitimate purchase?

There's no law preventing porn from being shipped OUT of Japan. Most places within Japan won't because shipping internationally is a hassle and expensive. That's it.

On that note, I know two places based in Japan that ship out physical adult DVDs/BluRays that are the real deal and not burned copies. This is DMM's thread so I won't post them here.