Girls have a meltdown, because it's too rough

[ThatsTheWay]

I challenge even if there's a serious fanbase for real cum. Yes when there's a leak or a goof the online webospere has a virtual fit, but no one seems to do anything about it. The vast majority of JAV fans (including me) are well tolerant of camera and editing tricks.

Well I think you definitely got a point that in JAV (porn in general) a lot is faked. Especially when its about gokkun and cum. But I am not sure if I would agree with that statement. I think many viewers are fooled by the fakes and believe that is real cum. And at least in my case I lost some interest in gokkun after I read on this forum about the fake cum that is used. Without the knowledge or at least the illusion that that is real cum I might as well watch the girl swallow water. Thats just boring. I watched gokkun (especially the 350 and 400 ml videos by moodyz) because I wanted to see a girl taste and smell the semen of so many guys and that the girl hast to overcome her boundaries while swollowing the smelly and sticky semen. Without the trust that this is real cum its just not the same.
I believe in western porn fake semen is a smaller problem, but unfortunately there is nothing that could match the moodyz videos.

 

[ding73ding]

Well I think you definitely got a point that in JAV (porn in general) a lot is faked. Especially when its about gokkun and cum. But I am not sure if I would agree with that statement. I think many viewers are fooled by the fakes and believe that is real cum. And at least in my case I lost some interest in gokkun after I read on this forum about the fake cum that is used. Without the knowledge or at least the illusion that that is real cum I might as well watch the girl swallow water. Thats just boring. I watched gokkun (especially the 350 and 400 ml videos by moodyz) because I wanted to see a girl taste and smell the semen of so many guys and that the girl hast to overcome her boundaries while swollowing the smelly and sticky semen. Without the trust that this is real cum its just not the same.
I believe in western porn fake semen is a smaller problem, but unfortunately there is nothing that could match the moodyz videos.

If it's a one time stunt or at least a rare ocassion, the title caused a sensation and sold like hot cake, yeah I could believe it. In fact, I am pretty sure the first few times it was done, when it was invented all the gokun and bakkake vids were real. But then it become repetitious and the shock factor is used up and these titles become, at best, a regular seller (say a few thousands discs sold at 2000 Yen). Do you think it could justify the cost and complication of getting 100-200 men to ejaculate and collect into one container within a reasonable time? As the semen is collected some of the volume is loss due to evaporation, so as the genre get repeated the production crew will be pressured to reduce cost and speed things up. It would started as just putting in some water to compensate for evaporation. Next time it may be a bit sugar with the added water to make it goes down easier. And the actress who might have done it before said she can act pained and disgusted even with say a 50% semen 50% starchy water mix. ... Or a 0% mix.

By now, well... since I am not a fan, and have not seen a gokkun scene from beginning to end, I should be careful about putting foot in my mouth. But scenes are typically made with many cuts and takes it's way too easy to swap out the container and fool the viewer. Any old school actress is well practised in acting disgusted humiliated and tortured. I find very hard to believe a random average production of gokkun would see the actress actually swallowing a big bowl of pure semen. 5% semen I could believe, the typical production can get say 5 men who are regular professional with regular trusted medical checkups. They could provide the last few (real) cum shots into the bowl almost full with fake cum and the camera can follow that to the actress mouth.

Note I'm not saying all cum are fake, all JAV idols (can't think of even one exception now) are willing to take ejaculation in her mouth. And many are OK about swallowing cum. And not too long ago, especially for uncensored vids, real creampie (ejaculation in vagina) are pretty common. Actually I used to argue in this forum that the default position should be to believe real ejaculations, because it's cheaper to get the (tested) stud to ejaculate than to make the fake ejaculation look OK on film. But now we have these different mindset (partly elevation of the status of the idols, partly as crew improve their props, fake cum formula and camera techniques) it become overall "cheaper" to fake the creampies rather than to convince the idol to take it.

 

[hoochimama]

Note I'm not saying all cum are fake

It's not like the viewers can tell the difference when male pornstars use needles to inject a cum-looking substance into their dicks (many also shooting up with something to stay hard) in order to produce a realistic popshot from any angle.

 

[Pejantan789]

There's that one JAV that's just too brutal. They force this girl to drink beer, wine, and liquor while some guy is doing her. Then he passes out and she just collapses. Then she wakes up some time later, and they make her vomit and rub her face in it. Then they make her drink more liquor. She's so intoxicated that she tries to escape the studio and nearly makes out into the city, but the crew stops her, and then he starts screaming and crying and they have to cut.

Can you tell me the code? Thanks

 

[agent1904]

Can you tell me the code? Thanks

BKSD-018

 

[AceRothstein]

Nana Miura - Celebrity Turned AV Thread

SDMU-951 Nana Miura Mahjong Pro Annotes Game and gets cummed on - SCENE

Nana bit off a bit more than she could chew in this one. I guess when she signed to do a series and took that up front check, this scene sounded a lot tamer in theory than it proved to be in reality.

The setup is she is annotating a Mahjong match and, like the news announcer series before, the guys walk up and drop their loads.

She breaks down what looks like a bit more than halfway through. After taking a quick series of direct hits to the face, she gets one right in the mouth and loses it. Sobbing and crying and looking for a tissue.

Funny thing is, she really seemed to love the scene where she gets a train run on her by three guys. Loved the creampie too. It was just the act of taking load after load to the face that she just could not take. I would think it would be other way around but hey, everyone is different.

Worst part is, the next guy in line to blast her was that huge fat nerd from the Knights Visual uncut series (I know that is a broad description, but best I could do) and he looked soo disappointed. I was too my man, I was too.

 

[branbran726]

Maybe it's the exact opposite of what OP is after, but when I imagined someone "having a meltdown because it's too rough", I thought of loli champion Tsubomi in MILD-779. About 3 hours in to a marathon orgasm session, she just straight up faints. The staff lay her on the floor and give her some oxygen to revive her... and then it's off to the next room for more orgasms.​

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I guess fainting is a kind of meltdown? Like, in a physiological sense? ... Maybe I'm reaching too far? ​

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Maybe more on topic is Monbu Ran in The TRAP when she cries her way through giving a blowjob to a Black dude.​

 

[ThatsTheWay]

If it's a one time stunt or at least a rare ocassion, the title caused a sensation and sold like hot cake, yeah I could believe it. In fact, I am pretty sure the first few times it was done, when it was invented all the gokun and bakkake vids were real. But then it become repetitious and the shock factor is used up and these titles become, at best, a regular seller (say a few thousands discs sold at 2000 Yen). Do you think it could justify the cost and complication of getting 100-200 men to ejaculate and collect into one container within a reasonable time? As the semen is collected some of the volume is loss due to evaporation, so as the genre get repeated the production crew will be pressured to reduce cost and speed things up. It would started as just putting in some water to compensate for evaporation. Next time it may be a bit sugar with the added water to make it goes down easier. And the actress who might have done it before said she can act pained and disgusted even with say a 50% semen 50% starchy water mix. ... Or a 0% mix.

By now, well... since I am not a fan, and have not seen a gokkun scene from beginning to end, I should be careful about putting foot in my mouth. But scenes are typically made with many cuts and takes it's way too easy to swap out the container and fool the viewer. Any old school actress is well practised in acting disgusted humiliated and tortured. I find very hard to believe a random average production of gokkun would see the actress actually swallowing a big bowl of pure semen. 5% semen I could believe, the typical production can get say 5 men who are regular professional with regular trusted medical checkups. They could provide the last few (real) cum shots into the bowl almost full with fake cum and the camera can follow that to the actress mouth.

Note I'm not saying all cum are fake, all JAV idols (can't think of even one exception now) are willing to take ejaculation in her mouth. And many are OK about swallowing cum. And not too long ago, especially for uncensored vids, real creampie (ejaculation in vagina) are pretty common. Actually I used to argue in this forum that the default position should be to believe real ejaculations, because it's cheaper to get the (tested) stud to ejaculate than to make the fake ejaculation look OK on film. But now we have these different mindset (partly elevation of the status of the idols, partly as crew improve their props, fake cum formula and camera techniques) it become overall "cheaper" to fake the creampies rather than to convince the idol to take it.

I will once again give my opinion on the subject. I really appreciate your input and think you got a good point about the JAV industry.

I found the series "premium bukkake" which seems pretty legit. Don't look at the videos on xvideos because they always cut before they swallow. But if you look on heavyfetish (I hope ist finde to name this site) you find uncut videos and the girls swallow some times up to 15 loads at a time and overall some get almost 100 shots. Some videos are completely uncut or at least with minimal cuts after the girl has sallowed some loads.

Especially nice are the videos of Linda Black, Missy and Roma Amore. The first one seems to struggle somewhat and if I remember correctly there are no cuts and there is no time to switch the semen. Unfortunately there are almost only western girls and it lacks the creativety of JAV gokkun, but at least there is no moasaic and its pretty safe to assume that the girls do swallow real semen.

Whats you opinion on that?

 

[Not2srius]

CETD-298 with Kaoru Shimazu and Hitomi Enshiro and a male is interesting. And the end Kaoru breaks down and Hitomi consoles her after some rough scenes. Might be my favorite of Kaoru's.

 

[ding73ding]

I will once again give my opinion on the subject. I really appreciate your input and think you got a good point about the JAV industry.

I found the series "premium bukkake" which seems pretty legit. Don't look at the videos on xvideos because they always cut before they swallow. But if you look on heavyfetish (I hope ist finde to name this site) you find uncut videos and the girls swallow some times up to 15 loads at a time and overall some get almost 100 shots. Some videos are completely uncut or at least with minimal cuts after the girl has sallowed some loads.

Especially nice are the videos of Linda Black, Missy and Roma Amore. The first one seems to struggle somewhat and if I remember correctly there are no cuts and there is no time to switch the semen. Unfortunately there are almost only western girls and it lacks the creativety of JAV gokkun, but at least there is no moasaic and its pretty safe to assume that the girls do swallow real semen.

Whats you opinion on that?

Please know that I'm not really invested in the bukkake discussion. Actually I can clearly say it's one of my bottom-2 or 3 genres. Even below futanari. Hmm... yep I have at least two vids of true futa, and almost 10 vids of fake futa. Zero vid, zero scene of bukka. Hmm yeah categorically... I don't have a single scene of more than five males ejaculating on a girl face or a girl drinking more than five loads of semen. So I'm not sure if you actually care about my opinion on that.

I have no reason to object to anything in your post. Mainly because I have not heard of the studio/label/performers that you mentioned. There are two, yes, two seperate null reasons. (1) I haven't heard of or seen them, so I don't have any kind of facts or evidence, (2) I haven't heard of them so I think they must be a very narrow niche, and sure if we are dealling with a narrow niche industry serving a narrow niche market, of course they don't work the same way as the mainstream.

I'm genuinely curious, has any well-known idol performed a proper bukkake title in recent years? I'm open to any example/counter-examples/conversation, but if we want to put a perimeter around it... let's define "well-known" as top-40 or even top-100 rank idol on a major/mainstream site (most obvious is DMM/Fanza's ranking). Has any top-100 rank idol performed a proper (real or real-ish) bukkake while she was on the list? And if there are such titles, I would bet they are the fake (real-ish) kind of bukkake scene.

ANYWAY... as I said, I'm not really invested in the bukkake scene. The OP is about "break-down" and my primary point is that bukkake vids for this topic is a bit iffy, (not because the sperms are necessarily fake) but because the struggle, disgust even the vomitting afterward is the selling point of these titles, (reference: @ThatsTheWay ) the fans pay good money and want to see the reaction. So it make sense for the performer to put on a reaction for the camera,

My interest in this topic is more when we watch the vid expecting one kind of satisfaction and then something unexpected happened. I circle back to my old reply (#8), AVOP-117 was obviously an over-the-top production. and sure with one hundred men (only theoretically speaking) in the running to "r***" any girl they caught it's quite possible one or more unlucky girl would get sexually roughed up. BUT that's not how AIKA's break down played out. The even happened very early in the 4-hour title, IIRC only the second sex scene of the whole and definitely AIKA's first penetration of the day. And it was even a rather unremarkable 2P intercourse. The kind of sex scene that's way more tame than at least 100 scenes AIKA has done beforehand. It doesn't fit any standard narrative (oh it's so intense and extreme, she broke down). It feels really genuien because no one expected it. And it's actually a bit of a downer for the flow of the video.

By contrast, @branbran726 example of MILD-779 seems perhaps more performative. The entire title is non-stop orgasm, and in one scene she fainted? Yeah... maybe... who knows, it could be a real event, or it could be she just got tired of thrusting and took a few mins to lay still and close her eyes, or it could be entirely scripted.

 

[Carnal.maniac]

There is this one game show/quiz video I once saw many years ago. The premise is a beautiful girl is sat in a trolley on top of a slope and needs to answer questions to win the prize but for every wrong answer the trolley slides down a level and after 3 wrongs answers the trolley slides to the bottom where about 20 horny men and waiting for her. The 1st two girls(pretty face buxom beauties) are thoroughly gangbanged but nothing rough or brutal. The last girl a slender tomboyish girl got the short end of the stick, right of the bat it went into humiliation, hair pulling, smacked around and this beefy tattoed yakuza looking guy kept putting wrestling moves on her rag dolling her finally when all was done many of those guys peed on her leaving her in a puddle of pee. She just sat their sobbing and shaking and it took the crew a minute to realise that this is real and they broke her. Two crew members rushed to her with a towel, wrapped her in it and walked her to the shower still sobbing and the scene ended with her standing in the shower sobbing. Never knew the movie code or the perfomers names.

 

[AceRothstein]

There is this one game show/quiz video I once saw many years ago. The premise is a beautiful girl is sat in a trolley on top of a slope and needs to answer questions to win the prize but for every wrong answer the trolley slides down a level and after 3 wrongs answers the trolley slides to the bottom where about 20 horny men and waiting for her. The 1st two girls(pretty face buxom beauties) are thoroughly gangbanged but nothing rough or brutal. The last girl a slender tomboyish girl got the short end of the stick, right of the bat it went into humiliation, hair pulling, smacked around and this beefy tattoed yakuza looking guy kept putting wrestling moves on her rag dolling her finally when all was done many of those guys peed on her leaving her in a puddle of pee. She just sat their sobbing and shaking and it took the crew a minute to realise that this is real and they broke her. Two crew members rushed to her with a towel, wrapped her in it and walked her to the shower still sobbing and the scene ended with her standing in the shower sobbing. Never knew the movie code or the perfomers names.

DVDPS-122

Starring:
Aoyama Sayaka
Fujitani Rei
Komazaki Manami

I love this one too, glad you brought it up as I had not watched it in a very long time. Great title with relatively inexperienced talent.

That third scene is indeed a beauty!

 

[GottaGoFast]

Check out SCR-016. Anyone know who the girl in it is? I'm actually concerned it might be real - anyone who knows Japanese care to give me the general gist of it?

 

[headcrusher]

Check out SCR-016. Anyone know who the girl in it is? I'm actually concerned it might be real - anyone who knows Japanese care to give me the general gist of it?

Seems pretty real to me. I've watched a lot of plotted r*** videos. And I've watched of real r*** videos (the Bakky series the most infamous ones). And I have no doubt SCR-016 is part of the latter.
Even the piss at the end is real.

 

[GottaGoFast]

Seems pretty real to me. I've watched a lot of plotted r*** videos. And I've watched of real r*** videos (the Bakky series the most infamous ones). And I have no doubt SCR-016 is part of the latter.
Even the piss at the end is real.

I dug a bit deeper, looks like a cut version of SCR-016 is at the end of SCR-149, as well as the beginning of CAL-029. Also some scenes from SCR-149 might be taken from the "Fukuoka" titles from the CAL series.

 

[headcrusher]

DVDPS-122

Starring:
Aoyama Sayaka
Fujitani Rei
Komazaki Manami

I love this one too, glad you brought it up as I had not watched it in a very long time. Great title with relatively inexperienced talent.

That third scene is indeed a beauty!

Any free method to get the movie?

edit: ok, just saw a "free" link in this forum. I'll know in 7 hours...

 

[headcrusher]

DVDPS-122

Starring:
Aoyama Sayaka
Fujitani Rei
Komazaki Manami

I love this one too, glad you brought it up as I had not watched it in a very long time. Great title with relatively inexperienced talent.

That third scene is indeed a beauty!

Are you sure this is the one? I don't see any tattooed yakuza and they don't piss over the girl. Seems like there are a lot of DVDPS videos with the same theme.

 

[Zen10101]

was that huge fat nerd from the Knights Visual uncut series (I know that is a broad description, but best I could do)

EVERYONE knew who you were talking about. That fat fuck!

 

[AceRothstein]

Are you sure this is the one? I don't see any tattooed yakuza and they don't piss over the girl. Seems like there are a lot of DVDPS videos with the same theme.

Not entirely. It could also be DVDPS-901, which is the only other title in the series that I could come up with that has more than one actress and isn't a compilation/omnibus. Glad you asked, I wasn't aware of 901 before and it looks good!

EVERYONE knew who you were talking about. That fat fuck!

His reputation precedes him, I should have known!

My dude was not about to get cheated like that over at Knights Visual -

 

[agent1904]

I dug a bit deeper, looks like a cut version of SCR-016 is at the end of SCR-149, as well as the beginning of CAL-029. Also some scenes from SCR-149 might be taken from the "Fukuoka" titles from the CAL series.

anyone have links to these?