I'm sorry, but after reading this for a while, I can't just not say anything to one particular thing.
[...]im not homophobic[...]
[...]but you enjoy cocks and pussies you are BISEXUAL. NOT STRAIGHT AND NEVER A REAL MAN and 50% GAY but still GAY.[...]
I really don't see how you can say that first part while you still say the other stuff like the second quote in a later post. You really come off as homophobic if all you do is judge a man on sexuality/orientation. What does any of that have to do with like, social responsibilities/expectations, or family responsibility and expectations and such anyway? I'm just assuming that's what we're using to scale who passes as a "real man" or not, because I have no idea what else you're judging based on. And sexuality has no place in any of that, so it seems pretty irrelevant to base so much on something so out of place.
To actually have my post be on topic, as far as the whole topic of if it's gay or whatever though, I never really thought about that much. I think it would be the same as asking about those people that are girls, but born with testicles instead of ovaries. Or the opposite in male cases. They're still physically the one thing, they just have something out of the ordinary. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be born physically matching what they are otherwise. Yes, it's not the best replacement for that in the world, and yes, you can still see details that give it away such as body shape like shoulders being wider and hips not being correct, but it's all that can be done realistically, and I think alot of people are happier they do have the option. It's not like they let just anyone do it anyway. I can only speak for how it works in the U.S., but here people have to go through alot of psychological counseling and exams to even have the option be okayed for themselves. (I just bring that up because in the past, many people think just anyone can do it, and that seemed to be another cause of alot of the negative views of them.)
From what I've seen on other forums and stuff over the years, the majority of the people I've seen that have an extreme hatred of newhalves, or people that just don't like the idea of it even being an option are people that are either huge homophobes, were "tricked" by one, or in some less extreme cases they just have some legitimate issue like they wanted children and so on, but obviously can't do that with them, so they develop some problem with all of them, based on one.
Also, just incase people actually care about point of reference for me saying all this, I'm female and bi. The whole, "Is it gay or not" thing seems a bit silly to me, to be honest. They make it sound like, "No way bro. I ain't putting my dick in another dude's dick." But I guess I can see how some straight men might get upset about it in more legitimate ways. I still think a pussy is a pussy though, and I've seen some very well done post-ops. Again, going by U.S. point of reference, but there's many where important stuff like genitals look pretty natural.
tl;dr: I personally think it depends on if you consider them M or F post-op. Apparently most people consider them the starting gender, even post-op. I personally see it as what they are post (so M to F are F to me).
