Immersive 3D Content and Enthusiasts (oh boy...)
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Sorry to post all the catch up days, I've been completely saturated at work! 14 hour days a few time this week and last, good grief! But, wow, let's not convince ourselves COVID is slowing things down on the VR front at least! And DSVR-729 being released 9/17/2020 is timely!
Hello, i am new to this forum. I got into VR porn about a year ago with the purchase of an Oculus Go and browsing on the oculusnsfw Subreddit. I had subscriptions from various major western VR studios (Czechvr, wankzvr, Vrbangers...) and immediately got hooked wit VR porn. As soon as I tried JAV VR, i was amazed with the quality of the videos (content, perspectives, overall immersiveness).
Eventhough the Oculus Go has great value, it has some major drawbacks. For one its the overheating issue. Its especially annoying in JAV where scenes could be very long and your headsets overheats after 30 minutes max. And then I was wondering about visual improvements, so I ended up getting an Samsung Odyssey Plus. I got it used for the time i am waiting for me HP Reverb G2 preorder to arrive and probably will sell it later. Although the resolution of the odyssey is much lower than the reverb I noticed that the visual quality of 8k VR content is so much better even on this headset. I recommend for those who have a high quality pcvr headset (odyssesy plus, reverb, index) to download an 8K trailer from czechvr and try on their Headset. I know the girls are not the prettiest but the image quality is superb and a big leap in quality that makes it almost hard to go back to watch 4K content.
While there has been an resolution battle among western VR studios, with some of the studios upscaling their videos, JAV content is still in 4k. Qualitywise the only improvement has been the increase of framerate from 30 to 60 (thank god). I guess the japanese market relies much more on standalone headsets and well there hasnt been a headset able to play 8K.
Thats why I am thrilled of the new oculus quest 2 release. Not only is the XR2 processor able to play 8K video@60fps and it has a much higher screen resolution, they also seem to wanna push their headset on the japanese market with exclusive japanese games. I know many despise facebook for their politics and spying, but i am sure the impact on the overall quality will be good (competitors have to catch up with their headsets, content producers will film in 8k..).
The biggest hurdle right now for the studios is the availability ot cameras: the Zcam K1 Pro is something like the industry standard and it can handle only 4k@60fps. There is an K2 Pro model but it can do only 5k@60fps, so not a huge improvement. So whats czechvr/vrbangers are doing is buying two Zcam E2-F8 cameras and synch them. Unfortunately the cameras can only record 8k@30fps so they are doing frame rate interpolation to 60fps so editing becomes a lot harder (if you dont wanna mess up the immersion).
I am really hoping their will be cameras able to film in 8k@60fps in the next year and hopefully we will see japanese studios using these.
Eventhough the Oculus Go has great value, it has some major drawbacks. For one its the overheating issue. Its especially annoying in JAV where scenes could be very long and your headsets overheats after 30 minutes max. And then I was wondering about visual improvements, so I ended up getting an Samsung Odyssey Plus. I got it used for the time i am waiting for me HP Reverb G2 preorder to arrive and probably will sell it later. Although the resolution of the odyssey is much lower than the reverb I noticed that the visual quality of 8k VR content is so much better even on this headset. I recommend for those who have a high quality pcvr headset (odyssesy plus, reverb, index) to download an 8K trailer from czechvr and try on their Headset. I know the girls are not the prettiest but the image quality is superb and a big leap in quality that makes it almost hard to go back to watch 4K content.
While there has been an resolution battle among western VR studios, with some of the studios upscaling their videos, JAV content is still in 4k. Qualitywise the only improvement has been the increase of framerate from 30 to 60 (thank god). I guess the japanese market relies much more on standalone headsets and well there hasnt been a headset able to play 8K.
Thats why I am thrilled of the new oculus quest 2 release. Not only is the XR2 processor able to play 8K video@60fps and it has a much higher screen resolution, they also seem to wanna push their headset on the japanese market with exclusive japanese games. I know many despise facebook for their politics and spying, but i am sure the impact on the overall quality will be good (competitors have to catch up with their headsets, content producers will film in 8k..).
The biggest hurdle right now for the studios is the availability ot cameras: the Zcam K1 Pro is something like the industry standard and it can handle only 4k@60fps. There is an K2 Pro model but it can do only 5k@60fps, so not a huge improvement. So whats czechvr/vrbangers are doing is buying two Zcam E2-F8 cameras and synch them. Unfortunately the cameras can only record 8k@30fps so they are doing frame rate interpolation to 60fps so editing becomes a lot harder (if you dont wanna mess up the immersion).
I am really hoping their will be cameras able to film in 8k@60fps in the next year and hopefully we will see japanese studios using these.
I have Samsung Odyssey Plus, too 
I have watched some 8K VR videos and they look stunning, like real life, but my PC can't handle them, they look choppy. What GPU do you have? I have a GTX 1070, but I think the problem is not the hardware, but the codec. The 8K videos I have tried use a codec than can't be decodec via hardware by my player (Whirligig) and they look choopy. Or maybe it is because I use 500% of supersampling...
As I always say, more resolution is very important in VR. It is the diference between a blurry 3D video and real life image. I don't download anything less than 4K.
Unfortunately, the image quality of JAV VR is very poor, the western titles look much better. And it is getting worse year by year. Titles from CRVR and KVR and others used 40 Mbps of bitrate in 2018, and 30 Mbps in 2020... This summer I have bought at A Festa titles from 2018 than look a lot of better than 2020 releases. Muuuuch better, from the same label. It is depressing.
I have watched some 8K VR videos and they look stunning, like real life, but my PC can't handle them, they look choppy. What GPU do you have? I have a GTX 1070, but I think the problem is not the hardware, but the codec. The 8K videos I have tried use a codec than can't be decodec via hardware by my player (Whirligig) and they look choopy. Or maybe it is because I use 500% of supersampling...
As I always say, more resolution is very important in VR. It is the diference between a blurry 3D video and real life image. I don't download anything less than 4K.
Unfortunately, the image quality of JAV VR is very poor, the western titles look much better. And it is getting worse year by year. Titles from CRVR and KVR and others used 40 Mbps of bitrate in 2018, and 30 Mbps in 2020... This summer I have bought at A Festa titles from 2018 than look a lot of better than 2020 releases. Muuuuch better, from the same label. It is depressing.
I got like 6 TB worth of selected downloads (mostly younger girls, hehe). Most unplayable on PSVR without processing them first.
So, I waiting for Quest 2 and preordered. I like that it's stand-alone. Perhaps it can even stream video via WiFi 6 even though 256GB is pretty much.
I wonder how fast they move to 90Hz. Or perhaps that's just for games, idk.
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I have Samsung Odyssey Plus, too
I have watched some 8K VR videos and they look stunning, like real life, but my PC can't handle them, they look choppy. What GPU do you have? I have a GTX 1070, but I think the problem is not the hardware, but the codec. The 8K videos I have tried use a codec than can't be decodec via hardware by my player (Whirligig) and they look choopy. Or maybe it is because I use 500% of supersampling...
As I always say, more resolution is very important in VR. It is the diference between a blurry 3D video and real life image. I don't download anything less than 4K.
Unfortunately, the image quality of JAV VR is very poor, the western titles look much better. And it is getting worse year by year. Titles from CRVR and KVR and others used 40 Mbps of bitrate in 2018, and 30 Mbps in 2020... This summer I have bought at A Festa titles from 2018 than look a lot of better than 2020 releases. Muuuuch better, from the same label. It is depressing.
Seems like you have a very similar setup to mine
I have the same GPU and your right, i experienced the stuttering too but got this codec https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/hevc-video-extensions/9nmzlz57r3t7?activetab=pivot:overviewtab and now they work really smooth (at least with deovr, got some issues with whirlgig, but tbh. dont use that player a lot).
I heard you can get it for free (google it) but for me the 1€/$ was a good investment.
For playing videos a faster GPU doesnt give you any benefit as starting from the entry level Gefore cards they have the same video decoder.
Yes resolution is absolutely important for VR. Tbh. 4k is the absolute bare minimum, because on VR you are much closer to the screen, so for me it has the visual impression of 480p (2D video) in my headset, while 8K VR feels more like 720p to 1080p already.
Have you done some A/B-Testing whether the super-sampling gives you any increase in quality?I dont really have the full understanding how it works but afaik its supposed to give you an quality increase only on games where textures are rendered., while on videos (unless they are 8k or something like that), there cant be an increase in quality. Its like upscaling an video.
Regarding the bitrate: I just checked my library and it seems that the highest bitrate on my videos is something like 32Mbps and they look absolultely fine to me. I had some videos where i noticed that the quality was really bad and deleted them after i realized the bitrate is under 20Mbps. Can you give any IDs for the high quality 40Mbps videos? Its also important to note that bitrate alone gives you only an indication of quality. New modern codecs (especially used on higher Resolution western videos) are more efficient, so the bitrate is lower while having the same or higher quality.
Anyways, I really appreciate your posts (only been reading the last 25 pages of this thread).
As far as it concerns AV, you might even want to set the refresh rate to 60Hz. When I got my Odyssey plus (90hz by default) i noticed that the video was really choppy compared to my old Oculus Go. After changing it to 60Hz it was fine.
For games its different of course.
I have placed an preorder for the oculus quest 2 as well (hope i can make it work in my country as they dont officially sell it in here). Even though i got the 256GB as well, for me I will continue to stream from my NAS (can recommend synology). It was the best investment in that regard. No more transfering of files.
//just saw your signature, you obviously have an NAS already
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Thanks tim-o-tea, I have bought the HEVC extension, this night I'll try it...
I use Whirligig because this player gives me the best zoom. I have a high IPD and with some videos I see the girls size too big, I need to zoom out to adjust the correct size. Whirligig has better zoom than DeoVR or Skybox.
In the Configuration of Steam VR you must access to Video, and change the resolution with the option "app by app", select the player you use, and adjust the supersampling. Try it because I see a lot of more detail.
For example, download the 4K fish-eye version of CRVR-166 from 2019, it has 40 Mbps of bitrate, and CRVR-206 from 2020, It has 30 Mbps. Both the same resolution (4096x2048) but with CRVR-166 I see much more definition and detail.
By the way, with Samsung Odyssey Plus is better to download the fish-eye / Takumi version, they look better and the girls have the correct size.
I use Whirligig because this player gives me the best zoom. I have a high IPD and with some videos I see the girls size too big, I need to zoom out to adjust the correct size. Whirligig has better zoom than DeoVR or Skybox.
Absolutely. It is like upscaling the video but I see much more definition with 200 or 300% of supersampling (I use the max, 500%). But I think it doesn't work with all the players. With Whirligig it does work.
In the Configuration of Steam VR you must access to Video, and change the resolution with the option "app by app", select the player you use, and adjust the supersampling. Try it because I see a lot of more detail.
Almost all the CRVR and KVR titles from 2018 and 2019 have 40 Mbps, the same labels for 2020 use 30 Mbps and they are blurrier.
For example, download the 4K fish-eye version of CRVR-166 from 2019, it has 40 Mbps of bitrate, and CRVR-206 from 2020, It has 30 Mbps. Both the same resolution (4096x2048) but with CRVR-166 I see much more definition and detail.
By the way, with Samsung Odyssey Plus is better to download the fish-eye / Takumi version, they look better and the girls have the correct size.
I have always used 90 Hz. ¿Where do you change it, at Windows 10 Config or Steam VR? Because games need 90 Hz and to change every time I see a video is frustrating.
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Hey, really appreciate this tip! Even with my 2080 Ti, I was getting stuttering on 8K and even 5K-10bit videos. Downloaded this and now they're smooth as butter in Whirligig (just make sure you're using the Media Foundation video path to enable the codec, not DirectShow or VLC).
Hmm, I'll just say that 144 Hz mode on the Valve Index looks amazing for AV. Obviously the video's framerate isn't any higher, but the interpolation of head movement is much smoother, giving a noticeably more immersive feel. Though again, that's with a 2080 Ti, your mileage may vary.
Thanks tim-o-tea, I have bought the HEVC extension, this night I'll try it...
I use Whirligig because this player gives me the best zoom. I have a high IPD and with some videos I see the girls size too big, I need to zoom out to adjust the correct size. Whirligig has better zoom than DeoVR or Skybox.
Good to know, i never had any issues with that as my IPD is pretty average (64mm). What comes in handy with the odyssey plus in DeoVr is the sharpening slider, as this headset has an anti-SDE filter, so the picture is softer overall and with that adjustment, you can get a little bit of the sharpness back ( i guess whirlgig has something similar).
Thats good to know. I have my odyssey on 125% supersampling. How is it with 200/300/500% performance-wise? Is there any in increase in CPU/GPU load or is it negligible?
Thanks for the IDs, i will check them out. I saw you were mentioning the wrong size of the girls in non-Fishyes videos. For me its actually quite the opposite: fisheye-videos looks distorted , and the non-fisheye videos look normal to me. I know that deovr has a fisheye toggle for these videos, got to have to try it. I only have a handfull of fisheye videos in my library though. Maybe its something thats IPD related? Would love to hear other opinions on that.
I change it in Windows. If you need to change it more often you could write a small script for that.
Might be different with the valve and its 144hz. I can only tell for the odyssey plus that videos @ 90Hz were really choppy. I know that people had similar issues the quest and its 72hz too. I am not an expert on that topic by any means.
The best tip to fix the anti-SDE filter is to turn off the Advanced Super Sampling in Steam VR. This blurs everything out on Samsung Odyssey Plus.
Go to Developer Settings on Steam VR and Turn off Advanced Super sampling. This eliminate the blurry on videos with Odyssey plus. I had it activated for months, and when I turned it off, it is like night and day with videos. Try it.
Of course you need to activate the fish eye option on the player, if not it will look distorted...
The fish-eye version is the best with Odyssey Plus because the FOV with this glasses is a sphere, so you obtain the correct size. Compare fish-eye (turn on the option on the player configuration) and not fish-eye versions of the same video (CRVR or KVR have the two version), for me at least fish eye is much better with Odyssey Plus.
I have bought HEVC extension and still I can't play 7K videos even with Media Foundation, they are very choppy. It happens with all the players even in plain 2D.
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That might be the difference...even before I installed the Microsoft codec, I could still play 8K videos smoothly in 2D (both MPC-HC and PotPlayer), just not in Whirligig. Both claim they're using hardware acceleration.
I think I have some type of problem with the codec. The 6K videos play smoothy at 60 fps but the 7K videos are very choopy, as they don't use hardware acceleration. A GTX 1070 should play 7K videos I think.
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