Interracial JAV Discussion

[asianbooblover]

I wonder if IR is exciting for the actresses or just another movie? Generally, these black actors are hung like crazy and must feel different to these women- what do you think?

 

[asianbooblover]

I could certainly see why some do not like IR-and that's because most of us cannot measure up (if you get my drift) to these black men. I wonder what Japanese men in AV think of it? Competition, certainly, but they vastly outweigh the black titles. In western porn, there are tons of professional and amateur scenes where like in JAV, hubby cannot satisfy his wife, so in many cases(especially in amateur films), he hires a black guy to fuck his wife while he films it. Based upon the wife's reactions. they much prefer the size of the black guys to their husbands.

 

[asianbooblover]

BDrake- once again, wise words

 

[rudalsadaam]

Finally, something new for the late October
There is nothing better than Consensual sex where the girl is all curious and excited about the superior BBC and the guy is just your regular average law-abiding gentleman instead of random thugs of color forcing innocent Japanese girl into sex which only leave the poor girl in a horribly traumatic state for the rest of her life.
As a black man, I feel really honored for the Japanese to produce Interracial AV I feel honored for the privilege given to me so I can finally be able to get it off by fantasizing myself banging a Japanese girl but with the rapey shit? I just can't man

 

[fenton]

For example, there are a few IBW titles that I LOVE where some choice actresses (some of them rather new to the biz) get picked up, stripped and fucked by they crew. In some of these scenes, in my opinion anyway, it looks like that while the actresses are "acting" in line with the theme, in terms of being frightened and intimidated, begging not to be touched, etc., at the same time when the guys start double teaming them and passing them around the actresses start getting off on it and some of them either orgasm, or fake it very well.

In Japanese porn culture the idea is that the body can't help reacting to being r***ing and eventually hitting orgasm. The more extreme version is the mind break but even in less silly movies it's the kind of "betrayal of the body". Japanese people are supposed to be in control of their outward appearance and mannerisms and losing control is played for kink and for fun.

For example comedy characters often stick their tongues out when they laugh because they are supposed to be idiots who can't control their reaction. Same with the forced orgasms, it's part humiliation and part her losing to the bad guys.

Straight up r*** titles where there is no enjoyment and just a lot of rough stuff do nothing for me. I understand commercially they must be viable as they keep pumping them out (I understand it is a power dynamic thing that probably appeals to the disenfranchised and frustrated, among others, hence why they sell), but if it is overacted and zero sense of enjoyment on part of the girl I really don't want to see it.

There is a lot going on in those movies. For example you get the soapland ones where the guy recognizes the woman. At the moment basic level it's a reversal of power, instead of her being in control of what happens and taking his money suddenly he has something over her. They usually throw in another kink as well, like it's his mom or a childhood bully or his boss or something.

I sometimes enjoy those movies. The family stuff is creepy but there is one specific thing I like which is where she begs him not to cum in her and he does it anyway. I don't like the forced aspect but I like nakadashi and especially the woman's reaction to it. Too many actresses don't react at all and the guys just stop and pose for the pull out shot immediately, but in those screnes there is reaction from both of them and some kind of connection.

Obviously would prefer if they just did that with non-r*** scenes but you take what you can get.

As to your point about western scenes - there is a DogFart series that I love called InterracialBlowBang, which is basically a bunch of black dudes gangbanging white girls, or white dudes gangbanging black girls, with a few Asians thrown in for diversity?(lol). Anyway, they always have some little intro where they are like "We are gonna bang out this girl and stick it to the white man etc", for example. I find this hilarious, because it is obvious that half the dudes are baked and they are all playing along, but clearly in a "lets just have a good time shooting this scene" sense.

Most of them are hilariously bad. The guys come over as nice dudes most of the time, although a few turned out to be douchbags, trying to hide infections and shit like that.

What usually ruins it is the girls talking bullshit and the guys going limp and struggling to cum then a really weak and shallow creampie that makes it looks like they just felt really bad about the whole situation and didn't want to even lean in to the racist fantasy. No connection, no real reaction. We aren't dumb, we know that if he pulls 95% out she can't feel his orgasm.

 

[BDrake]

In Japanese porn culture the idea is that the body can't help reacting to being r***ing and eventually hitting orgasm. The more extreme version is the mind break but even in less silly movies it's the kind of "betrayal of the body". Japanese people are supposed to be in control of their outward appearance and mannerisms and losing control is played for kink and for fun.

We cannot simply say Japanese porn culture. We must be specific that it is male Japanese porn culture developed and propagated by men FOR men. It speaks to a male culture of not wanting to make efforts to understand, attract, charm, and truly please a woman. Most of the male actors are mediocre or terrible looking compared to the much more attractive actresses. I find that very sad and it can even be gross to watch for me. There is more parity in the U.S.

I can understand the appeal for mediocre or ugly looking men wanting to live out the fantasy of a beautiful woman wanting to have sex with them. But I find crossing the line into r*** and FORCING them to like them reveals a hate for women in general. Goblins like Trump just grab women by the pussy. Is that who you all want to be? If men are holding fantasies about forcefully mentally, emotionally, and physically breaking down women who did not want them is that a good fantasy to hold?

 

[asianbooblover]

BDrake- this is not a political forum per se, but thank you for that accurate description of that embarrassment of a president. I too enjoy movies much more where the woman is into it as well as the man- more fun and really, more erotic. In fact, I think I have stated before, that I much prefer where the woman is the aggressor and initiates the action. It may be all play acting, but I prefer it.

 

[BDrake]

BDrake- this is not a political forum per se, but thank you for that accurate description of that embarrassment of a president. I too enjoy movies much more where the woman is into it as well as the man- more fun and really, more erotic. In fact, I think I have stated before, that I much prefer where the woman is the aggressor and initiates the action. It may be all play acting, but I prefer it.

Indeed when it is mutual, everyone is having a good time and better performances come out of it. Shouldn't a fantasy be that a woman simply likes you and have fun together?

 

[asianbooblover]

Exactement!

 

[princeali692]

Alpha males take what they want. Beta's ask permission. An indecisive man who needs the woman to lead more often than not dries her vagina up into a tumbleweed. This is why these themes are popular.

 

[BDrake]

Alpha males take what they want. Beta's ask permission. An indecisive man who needs the woman to lead more often than not dries her vagina up into a tumbleweed. This is why these themes are popular.

Consent is definitely important but you glossed over the point I made about both parties having fun together. Why would women be dry if they actually like their partner? That makes zero sense. It is very beta male to assume that about women.

Plenty of alpha males just having consenting fun with their sexual partners in and outside of JAV. There are more consenting themes in JAV than not. Countless JAV with consenting women with both parties having a great time but the women actually performing much better with her partner. What is good about keeping women down during sex?

The theme is popular among SOME MEN in an industry dominated and consumed by MEN, beta men, lol. If those themes were overwhelmingly popular for women too then you would have a leg to stand on. You do not.

 

[princeali692]

Consent is definitely important but you glossed over the point I made about both parties having fun together. Why would women be dry if they actually like their partner? That makes zero sense. It is very beta male to assume that about women.

Plenty of alpha males just having consenting fun with their sexual partners in and outside of JAV. There are more consenting themes in JAV than not. Countless JAV with consenting women with both parties having a great time but the women actually performing much better with her partner. What is good about keeping women down during sex?

The theme is popular among SOME MEN in an industry dominated and consumed by MEN, beta men, lol. If those themes were overwhelming popular for women too then you would have a leg to stand on. You do not.

Nothing I said was about non-consensual sex. Both men and women have r*** fantasies and I'd wager that in most sexual encounters women prefer men to take control to varying degrees. Most women prefer an active partner than a passive one.

 

[BDrake]

Nothing I said was about non-consensual sex. Both men and women have r*** fantasies and I'd wager that in most sexual encounters women prefer men to take control to varying degrees. Most women prefer an active partner than a passive one.

I never said men should be passive either. What are the statistics about both genders having r*** fantasies? Are you just projecting or do you have anything to back it up?

 

[asianbooblover]

I think this kind of discussion is really important and very valuable- kind of gets to the heart of the industry, whether we agree or not

 

[BDrake]

I think this kind of discussion is really important and very valuable- kind of gets to the heart of the industry, whether we agree or not

I just see people doing mental gymnastics to justify a desire to sustain a culture created by men that aims to humiliate, violate, traumatize, and terrorize women. If that is the desire some of you have, you should do some reflection behind the keyboard as to why that really turns you on. I have dabbled in masochism and sadism but everyone was on board. Noone forced themselves on each other and we had a better time because of it.

 

[AceRothstein]

In Japanese porn culture the idea is that the body can't help reacting to being r***ing and eventually hitting orgasm. The more extreme version is the mind break but even in less silly movies it's the kind of "betrayal of the body". Japanese people are supposed to be in control of their outward appearance and mannerisms and losing control is played for kink and for fun.

For example comedy characters often stick their tongues out when they laugh because they are supposed to be idiots who can't control their reaction. Same with the forced orgasms, it's part humiliation and part her losing to the bad guys.

Yes and I LOVE how that dynamic is explored and illustrated in JAV (More on this below). Building the scenes to a boil where the girl is resisting and resisting and then all of the sudden you see her face awash in pleasure and her body convulse...

There is a lot going on in those movies. For example you get the soapland ones where the guy recognizes the woman. At the moment basic level it's a reversal of power, instead of her being in control of what happens and taking his money suddenly he has something over her. They usually throw in another kink as well, like it's his mom or a childhood bully or his boss or something.

I sometimes enjoy those movies. The family stuff is creepy but there is one specific thing I like which is where she begs him not to cum in her and he does it anyway. I don't like the forced aspect but I like nakadashi and especially the woman's reaction to it. Too many actresses don't react at all and the guys just stop and pose for the pull out shot immediately, but in those scenes there is reaction from both of them and some kind of connection.

Obviously would prefer if they just did that with non-r*** scenes but you take what you can get.

NOTE: I included links to all referenced JAV scenes at the bottom of this post.

One of my favorite aspects of the JAV industry is the themes. The Japanese directors utilize themes, and heavily nuanced yet simple plots to build tension and steam up the actual sex scenes with such consummate skill.

For instance, BDD-40 and BDD-41, a boxer and a martial artist must defend themselves against Corn Pop and some bad dudes. They get beat up at first, but bring back their boss man to settle the score.

In both movies, the female lead agrees to a winner take all style fight, where she proceeds to lose and get gangbanged by the invading group, in front of her trainer/trainees. Oh man what a hot couple of scenes. The tension and the fight scenes draw you into the situation, especially when the females take breaks during the fight competition part of the scene to consult with their trainers when they know they are in trouble, and therefore start to process what is in store for them as they slowly lose the battle and give up in exhaustion and defeat. Of course they start out just submitting their bodies to the victors once the fighting matches are over, but once they start getting fucked they can't hold back the orgasms, and they let it happen in a way that communicates their respect for the deal. Exceptional stuff.

A few other ones that share this type of fighter challenge build up and power dynamic -

SVDVD-059
SVDVD-090
SVDVD-485 (Fairly certain this is a one and done actress too which is impressive)
SDDM-556

There is also the classic KARMA series where the japanese girl is in LA for a job, only to realize she must have sex with not only several gatekeepers, but all their friends. Final scene involved actress getting a train run on her and creampied by 20 LA black dudes only to find out, there is no job, leaving her exhausted and leaking (fake) cum. Not my all favorites, but I respect the setup and execution is also enjoyable. Most notable in my book is KRMV-304.

A few of the Magic Mirror scenes are like this, where the girl is "very reluctant" only to cream over and over again once she starts getting pounded by her sweaty black partner. Not exactly r***, but super hot power dynamic, as in it is clear the girl needs the money and is very conflicted, only to submit and basically let the man use her until she cums uncontrollably and is unable to hide her own pleasure.

Their reaction to the creampie is also just amazingly hot. It is the development of the tension, and the relief of that tension through her submission that makes these works of art worth mention. DVDMS-362 is a notable title that demonstrates the ability of Japanese directors to pull such an impressive element of shame, submission, pleasure and excitement/embarrassment out of the talent. DVDMS-149 is pretty good too.

SVDVD-485 is a lot of fun and has a similar reluctant participant who ends up loving the double team.

In FAX-340 there is a scene where this guy hides from a few gangsters who he owes money to, only to have his sister show up looking for him. The gangsters talk briefly to the sister, explain the situation, and that there is a score to settle. the girl, protecting her brother, offers to settle the debt herself. The three men take her into the woods, where they run a train on her, one after another, with the brother watching from the bushes, crying. When they are all finished, they walk away, leaving her to clean herself up, and put her dirty panties back on. Unbelievably hot scene. (Not IR but still it is awesome and worth watching)

The ones where the mother protects her son from bullies are pretty hot too, especially when they use relatively new yet mature actresses, who take 4 dicks at once! The neighborhood bully ones that offer a similar bill of goods are also pretty hot when the actresses get into it, although some of them are a bit flat. (Not IR but still good examples of the dynamic).

In KRMV-311 (I believe it is second scene) the husband sends his wife into a tent full of dirty homeless men for a thrill. They pull her inside, gangbang her, then throw her out partially clothed, cum all over her and pretty torn up. Husband watches and wife clearly gets off on being used. (Again not IR but the dynamic is super hot).

HND-475 is another non-IR title that has such a hot setup. Adorable and very young looking 20yr old girl is making her porn debut "To pay her brother's school tuition". Much older dudes double team her, creampie her, and make her swallow their cum. She is reluctant but orgasms over and over again while crying out throughout the movie. The build it up in every scene too, how shy and reluctant but compliant she is to get through the whole deal. I don't care if it is all fake, they sell the whole scene as it relates to the title very very well. Great stuff.

This is just a sample from my collection, but as you all know there are many many others that demonstrate the point just as well.

Most of them are hilariously bad. The guys come over as nice dudes most of the time, although a few turned out to be douchbags, trying to hide infections and shit like that.

What usually ruins it is the girls talking bullshit and the guys going limp and struggling to cum then a really weak and shallow creampie that makes it looks like they just felt really bad about the whole situation and didn't want to even lean in to the racist fantasy. No connection, no real reaction. We aren't dumb, we know that if he pulls 95% out she can't feel his orgasm.

I spent over a decade viewing US porn exclusively, mostly IR. To say that most of them are bad is certainly an opinion you are entitled to, and one I respect, as everyone has different preferences with numerous facets and contingencies.

US porn is for the most part unimaginative and the industry has had no shortage of wacky scandals. I tend to overlook most of the extemporaneous industry activity providing it does not materially affect the producers/actresses I like best.

That being said, with specific reference to Dogfart and my example of InterracialBlowBangs (Although Dogfart has a stable of labels that range from consistently good to pretty laughable), there are plenty of scenes that are exceptional - where the actress is soooo into it and the male talent tee her up, one after another, some even slipping in the surprise creampie to the amusement of the rest of the crew. Those are choice scenes, but certainly don't make up the majority of the scenes offered by that particular label. There are plenty of mediocre scenes that possess the attributes you mentioned. There are also some out right shitty ones where everyone seems to be like "is it over yet?" with no attempt to hide the limp dicks or crazy fake creampies.

However, to brand most of them as hilariously bad is not something I agree with, although your observations certainly apply to plenty of the scenes on that label and some of the other DogFart labels.

With respect to US IR porn compared to JAV IR porn, I discovered JAV relatively recently, and it blew me away. As I said earlier, most US IR porn is unimaginative (There are plenty of exceptions, but overall, based on my observations across producers and directors and labels over many years, I stand by this assertion) and lazy compared to JAV IR. However, there are plenty of instances of quality scenes that end up buried to an extent, as Dogfart puts out soo much product, the gems are indeed easy to miss.

Have a look at the following examples -

Lily Rader
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...iny-pussy-nailed-face-jizzed-in-bbc-gangbang/

Moka Mora
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...xwell-moka-mora-ray-black-slim-poke-54330715/

Carolina Sweets
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...ets-goes-black-with-5-muscular-guys-97995633/

Cindy Lou
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...atural-tits-for-total-gangbang-jizz-coverage/
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...-bangs-a-bbc-at-a-gloryhole-in-black-sandals/

Brooklyn Chase
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...huge-black-cock-through-a-gloryhole-65221223/
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...a-massive-facial-after-a-black-cock-gangbang/
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...oklyn-chase-enjoys-hard-interracial-gangbang/
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...slim-poke-tone-capone-tony-eveready-26814763/

Blake Rose
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...-fucking-her-behind-the-wall-but-he-is-black/

Summer Carter
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...up-black-men-and-drains-their-dicks-of-sperm/

Tweety Valentine
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...tine-gets-banged-and-facialed-by-black-bulls/

Amatuer Cindee
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...es-an-interracial-gangbang-in-her-porn-debut/

Angel Smalls
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...es-on-garage-full-of-bbb-in-intense-gangbang/

Zoey Laine
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/pigtailed-zoey-laine-getting-banged-by-a-group-of-wild-black-men/

Liza Rowe
https://www.pornpics.com/galleries/...s-rocked-by-two-monster-black-dicks-58217010/

That is just a sampling, but as you can see, not all Dogfart scenes are "created equal".

Storylines are simple and buildup is much shorter than JAV, but to address your criticisms, you can see within this sampling that plenty of their scenes are not just hot, but display enthusiasm and solid performances on the parts of both the male and female talent.

JAV IR, in general, goes to great lengths to develop the scenario in which the physical sex act(s) will take place, in order to feed the psychological needs of the viewer. The eroticism in JAV IR is built up usually well in advance of the sex act, so by the time it starts, the viewer is hooked in a psychological, physical and physiological sense.

I admire the efforts of Japanese directors in their artistic abilities to meet these multidimensional needs of their audience and in many cases, exceed them when it comes to intensity of the scene, characters, backdrop, etc. I get the distinct impression there is a ton of coaching of the talent to ensure the scene plays as it should in order to ensure the viewer is truly sold on the whole experience. Not every scene achieves this obviously, but when they do, it is pretty magical.

Included links below to every JAV scene mentioned above for your ease and reference (Apologies for the unusually lengthy post):

BDD-40 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javliibrrq
BDD-41 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javliia47e
SVDVD-059 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javlicr5sa
SVDVD-090 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javliml434
SVDVD-485 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javliiztsq
SDDM-556 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javlia3n5m
KRVM-304 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javlidzb6u
DVDMS-362 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javli7tyze
DVDMS-149 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javlikqv2a
SVDVD-485 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javliiztsq
KRMV-311 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javlidzbya
HND-475 http://www.javlibrary.com/en/?v=javli43j6m

 

[asianbooblover]

Wow- I am blown away by all this intelligent discussion- thank you!

 

[BDrake]

I do not think anything this year will beat Ayane Sesaki's video but this was ok. Her hand play was on another level. She was really into it. May post gifs later

 

[BDrake]

One of the old SOD nurse videos had multiple ladies holding now the man as they try to release pressure from him

 

[BDrake]

I do not think anything this year will beat Ayane Sesaki's video but this was ok. Her hand play was on another level. She was really into it. May post gifs later
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This was a super hot scene. You do not get this kind of technique and enthusiasm from r***.