Is JAV loosing its edge?

[Supmop]

I think JAV does have more beautiful and real women overall, but most of the difference that Jonofthedead sees is probably in the presentation. JAV does have a particular style, they pretend to be documentaries, everything is "real", so they try to present the women in a more naturalistic way. Obvious breast implants kind of goes against all that. And I feel the "realness" of JAV makes amateur porn kind of redundant as well. I feel no desire to watch amateurs after watching JAV.

Maybe there are different standards of beauty in Japan compared to the USA too. An actress in the US porn indutry can increase sales by getting breast implants. Could a JAV actress increase sales of her movies the same way? Does she even need to? Probably not. Cuteness is still celebrated in Japan. Flat-chested girls are still important in JAV.

JAV are selling more "realities" compare to western porn, less fake boobs, a lot of small and limp dicks, and reasonable sex duration

and for fake boobs, its not only in porn but in modern culture, most females in most asian countries feel doesn't need to upgrade their boobs, what they want is to change their face (nose, lip, chick, eye lit, ecc)

and majority of the asian guys in east and south east asia think B cup is already big enough, we can see from most asian sex icons, they are slim with small to medium size boobs

the conclusion (I've posted many times in this forum) : western porn mindset doesn't apply in JAV and vice versa

 

[silent1one]

JAV are selling more "realities" compare to western porn, less fake boobs, a lot of small and limp dicks, and reasonable sex duration

and for fake boobs, its not only in porn but in modern culture, most females in most asian countries feel doesn't need to upgrade their boobs, what they want is to change their face (nose, lip, chick, eye lit, ecc)

and majority of the asian guys in east and south east asia think B cup is already big enough, we can see from most asian sex icons, they are slim with small to medium size boobs

the conclusion (I've posted many times in this forum) : western porn mindset doesn't apply in JAV and vice versa

There's more in-depth plot, fetishes, male/female body type, and foreplays too. Also, they don't force you to buy a movie with 5-6 different girl where your favorite only get 1 scene. However, the social media and event aspect of av are more staged in terms of acting a different cute & innocent persona to greet fans.

 

[Supmop]

America got their fair share of petite girls too like recently piper perri that do rough interacial. They got their variety of Asian, Caucasian, Black, and Latinas, but the guys are always macho(unlike av) and there's no plot besides a one minute introduction and a last second one liner quote. A lot of American pornstars are open about sharing photos of their boyfriends, weed, and kids. Av idols are more cautious about their private lives. SOME Japanese av actresess and western pornstars do escorts and strip shows at clubs and have their award show, but the overall tone and culture is very different.

in film era american used to have great porns, with very good storylines and acting skills

yes, different culture, different way of live

There's more in-depth plot, fetishes, male/female body type, and foreplays too. Also, they don't force you to buy a movie with 5-6 different girl where your favorite only get 1 scene. However, the social media and event aspect of av are more staged in terms of acting a different cute & innocent persona to greet fans.

yeah, JAV are more rich in fetishes, foreplay, genres & themes

sure, there are always market for innocent persona in JAV, they always welcome passive girls, which I hate, but many other peoples love them

the ugly, skinny, fat, midget, weirdo with small & limp dick guys still can get a job in AV, while for the female as long they are a bit cute and have innocent persona they can be a star too, even they are terrible in sucking and fucking, they only need to lay on their back, spread their legs and make noisy moans

 

[silent1one]

in film era american used to have great porns, with very good storylines and acting skills

yes, different culture, different way of live



yeah, JAV are more rich in fetishes, foreplay, genres & themes

sure, there are always market for innocent persona in JAV, they always welcome passive girls, which I hate, but many other peoples love them

the ugly, skinny, fat, midget, weirdo with small & limp dick guys still can get a job in AV, while for the female as long they are a bit cute and have innocent persona they can be a star too, even they are terrible in sucking and fucking, they only need to lay on their back, spread their legs and make noisy moans

The other main difference-U.S porn guys rush the girl to knee down to take the load while in JAV guys just creampied(censored or uncensored) or unload it while the girl is lying in bed. U.S guys don't wear condoms, so it's harder for them to hold it in. Sometimes they accidentally came in a girl or they end it safely by taking a long handjob in the end to help unload it.

Ai uehara, otsuki hibiki, yui hatano seems to don't care who or how they get x. They done interacial, uncensored, gb creampied with "fans" and gross guys. There's no exception, but that still doesn't affect Yui image to star in gaming and water commercials in Taiwan. She and girls like Atomi release like 3-4 a month no matter is common, lesbian, or orgy. I guess that's the benefit of not tying down to s1, ideapocket, or moodyz.

U.S pornstars don't need to hide themselves. You can see a lot of private cussing on their social media, weed, and family photos for some. Some even got kids. I guess some av actresses might already been married and had kids without revealing it to us. It's part of Japanese culture and probably some Clause in their contract to maintain a certain image.

 

[ding73ding]

and for fake boobs, its not only in porn but in modern culture, most females in most asian countries feel doesn't need to upgrade their boobs, what they want is to change their face (nose, lip, chick, eye lit, ecc)

I would phrase it a bit different.

(1) both Eastern and Western show biz (both mainstream and porn) embrace surgeries. But a Hollywood star would go for somewhat more naturalistic surgeries vs. Sillicone Valley porn stars would go for outrageous looks like watermelon boobs that screams whore/porn right away. So... gorgeous vs. slutty, the type and degree of surgeries is hugely different between mainstream show biz and porn. For Japan, there's much less difference between AV idol surgery vs. mainstream idol surgery. Of course AV idol tends to do more boob jobs.

(2) I don't think Asian men and women are less obsessed about boob size, B-cups are rarely consider as "enough". Put a D-cup next to a B-cup, D-cup wins 9 times out of 10. But If you put a fake D-cup next to a real B-cup, I think there's a big difference between East and West. In West, big tits win, no matter how fake. In East, fake boobs carries a price so a fake D vs. real B is more like 60-40 in favor of real. The big difference is how obvious the fake, if the surgery is obvious, a fake D-cups lose even to real A-cups, 10 times out of 10.

Nowadays it almost seem that the real busty idols like Julia, Hitomi, Anri Okita seem quite convincing as 100% natural tits. But the mid-range and even large-petite boobs (C- to E-cups) that often give me doubts.

 

[silent1one]

It's been a long while since I've watched western porn.. but I just find Japanese girls to be more demure, even if they are being slutty they are doing it with some class.. I don't know how else to explain that. Also, after the guy finishes, whether it be creampie, on their body, or on their face, the way the girls in JAV always suck the last bit of cum out of the guy with such a appreciative look on their faces is a huge turn on.. And they normally don't look ravenous and over eager like Western girls, I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about..

Sometimes the girl would even tease the guy and keep on following the guy to suck on it. It's fun and cute too.

 

[Supmop]

Ai uehara, otsuki hibiki, yui hatano seems to don't care who or how they get x. They done interacial, uncensored, gb creampied with "fans" and gross guys. There's no exception, but that still doesn't affect Yui image to star in gaming and water commercials in Taiwan. She and girls like Atomi release like 3-4 a month no matter is common, lesbian, or orgy. I guess that's the benefit of not tying down to s1, ideapocket, or moodyz.

thats another difference between JAV and western porn

in JAV are common for top actresses to do nasty stuffs (scat & piss, and sex with animals), those are very rare to see in western

yes thats what I like from freelancers, they can perform in much more varieties

U.S pornstars don't need to hide themselves. You can see a lot of private cussing on their social media, weed, and family photos for some. Some even got kids. I guess some av actresses might already been married and had kids without revealing it to us. It's part of Japanese culture and probably some Clause in their contract to maintain a certain image.

yes, I think so too

 

[silent1one]

I would phrase it a bit different.

(1) both Eastern and Western show biz (both mainstream and porn) embrace surgeries. But a Hollywood star would go for somewhat more naturalistic surgeries vs. Sillicone Valley porn stars would go for outrageous looks like watermelon boobs that screams whore/porn right away. So... gorgeous vs. slutty, the type and degree of surgeries is hugely different between mainstream show biz and porn. For Japan, there's much less difference between AV idol surgery vs. mainstream idol surgery. Of course AV idol tends to do more boob jobs.

(2) I don't think Asian men and women are less obsessed about boob size, B-cups are rarely consider as "enough". Put a D-cup next to a B-cup, D-cup wins 9 times out of 10. But If you put a fake D-cup next to a real B-cup, I think there's a big difference between East and West. In West, big tits win, no matter how fake. In East, fake boobs carries a price so a fake D vs. real B is more like 60-40 in favor of real. The big difference is how obvious the fake, if the surgery is obvious, a fake D-cups lose even to real A-cups, 10 times out of 10.

Nowadays it almost seem that the real busty idols like Julia, Hitomi, Anri Okita seem quite convincing as 100% natural tits. But the mid-range and even large-petite boobs (C- to E-cups) that often give me doubts.

Scarlet Johanson? Lol

There are a lot of famous and deem sexy flat chested Caucasian in porn and hollywood. Emma Watson, keira knightley, etc...

It really depends on the what each indivudual fan likes. Western porn these days got a lot of petite girls too that aren't busty either. I said it before implants like katsuni and daisy marie. Perfect! Katie Morgan. Ugh,I'm afraid it might rip.

 

[Supmop]

It's been a long while since I've watched western porn.. but I just find Japanese girls to be more demure, even if they are being slutty they are doing it with some class.. I don't know how else to explain that. Also, after the guy finishes, whether it be creampie, on their body, or on their face, the way the girls in JAV always suck the last bit of cum out of the guy with such a appreciative look on their faces is a huge turn on.. And they normally don't look ravenous and over eager like Western girls, I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about..

yes I understand what you mean

Ah the wonder of being a loli lover, never having to worry if the actress have fake tits because more often than not they are flat or only have A or B cups at the most.. Or in the rare cases like Azuki or Airi Satou.. I don't knock girls who have surgery to feel better about themselves, it's their body, but I don't really agree with it.. I love small boobs, or all boobs.. Which is another reason I love JAV, the girls seem much more comfortable with their bodies..

compare to caucasians, blacks and latinas. asians tend to look younger, I oftenly see 17-19 years old caucasian girls who looks like mid 20s

 

[Supmop]

I would phrase it a bit different.

(1) both Eastern and Western show biz (both mainstream and porn) embrace surgeries. But a Hollywood star would go for somewhat more naturalistic surgeries vs. Sillicone Valley porn stars would go for outrageous looks like watermelon boobs that screams whore/porn right away. So... gorgeous vs. slutty, the type and degree of surgeries is hugely different between mainstream show biz and porn. For Japan, there's much less difference between AV idol surgery vs. mainstream idol surgery. Of course AV idol tends to do more boob jobs.

I agree

what I'm talking about is for common peoples outside from porn and celebrities, so far that I know most females here if they want to make some upgrade they choosed to upgrade their face, very few who want to upgrade their boobs

few days ago I watched in tv show, plastic surgeon said in his clinic only 20% of his clients who done boobs jobs, the reason why they don't want it

1. they doesn't feel it necessary

2. affraid of the risk / side effect / health issue

I think the first reason is reasonable, we still don't have many nude beach and big event like mardi grass, so the girls don't have a lot of chances to show off their boobs

(2) I don't think Asian men and women are less obsessed about boob size, B-cups are rarely consider as "enough". Put a D-cup next to a B-cup, D-cup wins 9 times out of 10. But If you put a fake D-cup next to a real B-cup, I think there's a big difference between East and West. In West, big tits win, no matter how fake. In East, fake boobs carries a price so a fake D vs. real B is more like 60-40 in favor of real. The big difference is how obvious the fake, if the surgery is obvious, a fake D-cups lose even to real A-cups, 10 times out of 10.

good point

I'm asian who love big boobs, but there are lot other asian guys who dislike it

if you seen the past and current asian (especially from east asian) sex icons : k-pop girls, ecc most of them are slim with small to medium boobs, its doesn't mean we don't have pretty girls with big boobs here

I believe most asian guys still choosed pretty girl with slim body and small boobs than chubby girl with real big boobs. I can't explain this, I think our majority still thinks small is beautiful

Nowadays it almost seem that the real busty idols like Julia, Hitomi, Anri Okita seem quite convincing as 100% natural tits. But the mid-range and even large-petite boobs (C- to E-cups) that often give me doubts.

agree again

 

[Supmop]

Scarlet Johanson? Lol

There are a lot of famous and deem sexy flat chested Caucasian in porn and hollywood. Emma Watson, keira knightley, etc...

It really depends on the what each indivudual fan likes. Western porn these days got a lot of petite girls too that aren't busty either. I said it before implants like katsuni and daisy marie. Perfect! Katie Morgan. Ugh,I'm afraid it might rip.

yes, but are they considered as sex icons like Kim Kardashian, Uschi Digard ?

true its depends on the individuals preference, but a lot of individuals made majority and minority

 

[ding73ding]

what I'm talking about is for common peoples outside from porn and celebrities, so far that I know most females here if they want to make some upgrade they choosed to upgrade their face, very few who want to upgrade their boobs

I'm asian who love big boobs, but there are lot other asian guys who dislike it

if you seen the past and current asian (especially from east asian) sex icons : k-pop girls, ecc most of them are slim with small to medium boobs, its doesn't mean we don't have pretty girls with big boobs here

I believe most asian guys still choosed pretty girl with slim body and small boobs than chubby girl with real big boobs

I don't know if they truly dislike it, or just don't make it a top priority. If you have two girls have similar face and body but one girl is a cup size bigger, she will be more popular for sure. But if two totally different girls in comparison, than yes tits size is not top priority.

Most guys don't make tits size a top priority because East Asians tend to be mostly B- and C- cups. But Western women span a bigger range, B- to E- are common, F- and up are available too if you keep looking. So it's not unrealistic to make tits size a selection criteria. I mean if some American dude says he won't even look at any girl less than D-cup, well he's still likely to find someone. But if average Chinese guy wants big tits, he's likely to have to search for a while or compromise on other factors.

But take it from the female perspective. Big tits East Asian women will find themselves (average speaking) enjoy advantage everywhere they go, because men everywhere will stare and consciously or subconsciously give them some perks. So "most guys" don't dislike them big tits, but to be realistic they don't expect to date/marry a big tits girl. The big tits girls always find handsome and rich boyfriends. Another evidence is that girls with modest chest size tend to wear conservative cloths to highlight other qualities (e.g. slim), but big tits girls (even fat ones) tend to wear low cut and push-up bra to advertise their assets. It's rare to see a big tits girl wrap themself up to flatten their boobs or hide the size.

The huge exception is (traditional) Japan. Until recently big boobs are considered vulgar in Japan.

Also I've heard somewhere (maybe from @Supmop ??) that "sexy" is huge in Korea, but mostly it's legs and butt. Show a little bit of cleavage and you fell off from "sexy" to "sleazy".

 

[Supmop]

I don't know if they truly dislike it, or just don't make it a top priority. If you have two girls have similar face and body but one girl is a cup size bigger, she will be more popular for sure. But if two totally different girls in comparison, than yes tits size is not top priority.

Most guys don't make tits size a top priority because East Asians tend to be mostly B- and C- cups. But Western women span a bigger range, B- to E- are common, F- and up are available too if you keep looking. So it's not unrealistic to make tits size a selection criteria. I mean if some American dude says he won't even look at any girl less than D-cup, well he's still likely to find someone. But if average Chinese guy wants big tits, he's likely to have to search for a while or compromise on other factors.

I think most of the guys don't make it top priority, some guys are more concern with race & religion than boobs

yes, much more difficult to find east asian female who have natural boobs more than D cup

But take it from the female perspective. Big tits East Asian women will find themselves (average speaking) enjoy advantage everywhere they go, because men everywhere will stare and consciously or subconsciously give them some perks. So "most guys" don't dislike them big tits, but to be realistic they don't expect to date/marry a big tits girl. The big tits girls always find handsome and rich boyfriends. Another evidence is that girls with modest chest size tend to wear conservative cloths to highlight other qualities (e.g. slim), but big tits girls (even fat ones) tend to wear low cut and push-up bra to advertise their assets. It's rare to see a big tits girl wrap themself up to flatten their boobs or hide the size.

The huge exception is (traditional) Japan. Until recently big boobs are considered vulgar in Japan.

Also I've heard somewhere (maybe from @Supmop ??) that "sexy" is huge in Korea, but mostly it's legs and butt. Show a little bit of cleavage and you fell off from "sexy" to "sleazy".

younger generation are enjoying if they have big boobs, they have something to be proud, and the fashion trend are more open too

but not for the older generation, I still remember in the late 80s to mid 90s, many people still have negative & cruel comments about big boobs, said there are cow, ecc, for them asian female are not suitable with big boobs, not natural

at that time I never see a girl dare to go out of their house without wearing bra, and the big boobs girls oftenly tried to hide their chest area, but the situation are different now, western influence have spread, a lot of girls in big cities wearing tanktop and very short hot pant

 

[Supmop]

@bold I do not think top actresses participate in bestiality much if at all anymore. It's probably lesser known JAV stars or one-off amateurs that do it now to the best of my knowledge. Gone are the days of the Glory Quest, Maniac, Maniax, Karuma where they seemed to pump out a good number of those titles. Even back then I don't necessarily think it was the top AV stars that participated in those titles. It seems too niche. The same I think with scat and piss. I don't see all that many top JAV stars doing it much. It seems to only be actresses that only do extreme fetish videos like, scat, and piss, etc.. I don't watch this genre much but that's my 2cents.

yes, Glory Quest and Karma discontinue their bestiality series years ago

we have different opinion, for me Yoko, Risa Murakami was top actresses

and I don't seperate them for doing much or few, if they done it 1x means they have bestiality or scat in the list

I don't wath extreme JAV too, I get those infos from browsing, maybe there are many more that I don't know yet

 

[Supmop]

I'm glad that stuff is gone, that's disgusting.. There is a thread that pops up now and then on this very section and I wish it were gone, I don't really want to be associated with girls having sex with animals, take that shit underground.

if you don't like it, don't look it and let it for people who like it

 

[lraiden]

disgusting is kind of ironic word when it comes to porn, don't you think? We all have different tastes. I can name many things I find disgusting about porn but If I say it I am a hypocrite, because the things I like (gokkun, nasty loads of cum on faces, clothes etc) ,to someone who doesn't watch porn would label as disgusting. Many people here like Loli stuff. I guarantee that many people outside of porn would find that disgusting. Porn has many faces. Unfortunately I am addicted to it so I can't really call anything disgusting. Except maybe necrophilia and maybe insects too. Then again who am I to judge? Porn is porn.

 

[Supmop]

I don't look at it, trust me. I'm pretty much fine with all human to human kinks; old ladies, scat, fat girls, femdom, whatever floats you boat but girls having sex with animals, that's just wrong.. Animals can't consent, and I just feel bad for the girl it's really sad, I just can't imagine what's running through their heads, how did I get here.. I guess it might be the same for some of the extreme bondage stuff where they electrocute the girls and slap them around etc.. I guess I should just keep my mouth shut and let people enjoy what they do but I'm pretty empathetic and can't help but feel for the girls..

I dislike scat, puke & piss, sex with animal, loli too

but I don't wish loli thread were gone, its ok to say your opinion, I'm oftenly did that too, but let other people to have their own place to share & enjoy their fetish

 

[ding73ding]

yes, much more difficult to find east asian female who have natural boobs more than D cup

I am not even sure that's so true any more. As economy improves over the last 30 years, D-cup Asians aren't so rare any more. IMHO, the big difference in culture/history and economy/diet, not so much in genes. Now that economy/diet in Asia is catching up, "suddenly" Asian men's taste in big boobs is "catching up" to the West also. My pet genetic theory is that East Asian (CJK) genes are NOT so "bust-definicent" as we used to think, but our (let's be open: I'm Chinese and I watch Chinese people all around me all day genes don't grow big breasts as early as White and Black peoples. In North America it's common to see 15 year old girls with D- to G- cup (using Japanese standard). In Asia, even with modern diet, we only see the D-cups and up in girls 21+ years old.

but not for the older generation, I still remember in the late 80s to mid 90s, many people still have negative & cruel comments about big boobs, said there are cow, ecc, for them asian female are not suitable with big boobs, not natural

Maybe... but how quickly we changed. Perhaps that old bias wasn't really deep-rooted. Perhaps everyone really like big boobs but because it was so rare, then most men can't get them, and most women can't have them, so it's easy for the men to be sour grapes ("who cares anyway!") and for women to be jealous/nasty ("cows!").

I think in the old days, big bust girls were so in demand that they quickly got married (or taken as concubines) by rich men and disappear from the "open market", since rich men's women rarely appear out and about, creating even more the illusion it's "Not natural", so sour grape and jealousy became the norm.

That period you talked about. There were a few Chinese or HK stars whose career was definitely helped by big bust. Even Gong Li, the first world known actor out of Red China, she was both a serious actor but also known for her "good figure", which is polite-speak for "big boobs".

It was the transition period to where we (Asians) ought to be: big tits are a positive quality, and girls with positive qualities (boobs or smarts or both) are free to choose their paths: to marry a rich man, or go to show biz, or climb the corporate ladder. Yes there are certain career paths that don't welcome too-sexy women, but in general, there are plenty of business careers (say banks) that busty women will not be treated badly.

 

[Supmop]

I am not even sure that's so true any more. As economy improves over the last 30 years, D-cup Asians aren't so rare any more. IMHO, the big difference in culture/history and economy/diet, not so much in genes. Now that economy/diet in Asia is catching up, "suddenly" Asian men's taste in big boobs is "catching up" to the West also. My pet genetic theory is that East Asian (CJK) genes are NOT so "bust-definicent" as we used to think, but our (let's be open: I'm Chinese and I watch Chinese people all around me all day genes don't grow big breasts as early as White and Black peoples. In North America it's common to see 15 year old girls with D- to G- cup (using Japanese standard). In Asia, even with modern diet, we only see the D-cups and up in girls 21+ years old.

its true better nutritions has made asian increased height and also boobs

but compare to white, black and hispanic, asian girls with D cups (international standart) or bigger are much fewer, like you said most of the time are 21+ years old girls, and oftenly 35+

Maybe... but how quickly we changed. Perhaps that old bias wasn't really deep-rooted. Perhaps everyone really like big boobs but because it was so rare, then most men can't get them, and most women can't have them, so it's easy for the men to be sour grapes ("who cares anyway!") and for women to be jealous/nasty ("cows!").

I think in the old days, big bust girls were so in demand that they quickly got married (or taken as concubines) by rich men and disappear from the "open market", since rich men's women rarely appear out and about, creating even more the illusion it's "Not natural", so sour grape and jealousy became the norm.

That period you talked about. There were a few Chinese or HK stars whose career was definitely helped by big bust. Even Gong Li, the first world known actor out of Red China, she was both a serious actor but also known for her "good figure", which is polite-speak for "big boobs".

It was the transition period to where we (Asians) ought to be: big tits are a positive quality, and girls with positive qualities (boobs or smarts or both) are free to choose their paths: to marry a rich man, or go to show biz, or climb the corporate ladder. Yes there are certain career paths that don't welcome too-sexy women, but in general, there are plenty of business careers (say banks) that busty women will not be treated badly.

good point

females with big boobs and wide hips said are better in give birth and have more milk

life are more easy for big boobs females said a research from UK, they more easy to get helps, including works and guys