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I noticed back in the 2000s and early 2010s none of my fav jav girls were doing lesbian except for Maria Ozawa (who even became lesbian in real life). Now pretty much everyone one of the stars I like (Yoshikawa Aimi, Okazaki Emiri, Katagiri Eririka, Moriyama Ayano to name a few that I never thought would do this) have recently done several lesbian titles. Its almost like American porn now where 99% of the women do women. Anyone have any theories on why this change happened so quickly? Did Japan become more accepting of homosexuals now?
 
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I noticed back in the 2000s and early 2010s none of my fav jav girls were doing lesbian except for Maria Ozawa (who even became lesbian in real life). Now pretty much everyone one of the stars I like (Yoshikawa Aimi, Okazaki Emiri, Katagiri Eririka, Moriyama Ayanoha to name a few that I never thought would do this) have recently done several lesbian titles. Its almost like American porn now where 99% of the women do women. Anyone have any theories on why this change happened so quickly? Did Japan become more accepting of homosexuals now?

yes I noticed more studios specialized in lesbian videos now

I think its not changed so quickly, lesbian is not sudden trend in JAV, there is a process

maybe yes japanese become more accepting to lesbian and transgender, lets wait other members opinions about this ;)
 

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Maria Ozawa became a lesbian in real life? Can you provide more info? I may not be able to handle this great news.
 
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I noticed back in the 2000s and early 2010s none of my fav jav girls were doing lesbian except for Maria Ozawa (who even became lesbian in real life). Now pretty much everyone one of the stars I like (Yoshikawa Aimi, Okazaki Emiri, Katagiri Eririka, Moriyama Ayano to name a few that I never thought would do this) have recently done several lesbian titles. Its almost like American porn now where 99% of the women do women. Anyone have any theories on why this change happened so quickly? Did Japan become more accepting of homosexuals now?

Personally I think it's in the same place it's always been, and we won't see much change really, it has a place in the industry and won't drop, or really increase much. Like with Anal dps, and suck.. Also who where your favorite girls from 2000s and early 2010s? because i think there was a lot more Lesbian jav back then.

Also Eririka Katagiri is legit a lesbian, and the only les scenes she has done have been with her girlfriend Sora Shiina

The issue with your american porn comparison is that JAV is movie based, while in the American industry a lot is scene based so it's much easier for 99% of the women to do women, Plus just women doing women doesn't make it good, about 90% of the girls in the US industry aren't ever into it, and are just in it for the money or brand building(it's common where girls start out only doing GG until they get a high bid for the first BG)
 

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The issue with your american porn comparison is that JAV is movie based, while in the American industry a lot is scene based so it's much easier for 99% of the women to do women, Plus just women doing women doesn't make it good, about 90% of the girls in the US industry aren't ever into it, and are just in it for the money or brand building(it's common where girls start out only doing GG until they get a high bid for the first BG)

yes make me remember, when I love western porn, the big gift, something that we really wait is when the GG only girls finally make BG action

while in JAV, what we wait now is the uncenssored videos
 

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Personally I think it's in the same place it's always been, and we won't see much change really, it has a place in the industry and won't drop, or really increase much. Like with Anal dps, and suck.. Also who where your favorite girls from 2000s and early 2010s? because i think there was a lot more Lesbian jav back then.

Also Eririka Katagiri is legit a lesbian, and the only les scenes she has done have been with her girlfriend Sora Shiina

The issue with your american porn comparison is that JAV is movie based, while in the American industry a lot is scene based so it's much easier for 99% of the women to do women, Plus just women doing women doesn't make it good, about 90% of the girls in the US industry aren't ever into it, and are just in it for the money or brand building(it's common where girls start out only doing GG until they get a high bid for the first BG)
My favs were Minori Aoi, Risa Kasumi, Mihiro, Nana Ogura, Ai Haneda, Yuma Asami and Sora Aoi if they did any lesbian let me know! And about American porn if that were true then why do they continue doing gg even after they do bg considering they get paid less for doing gg. I also follow american porn stars on twitter and almost all of them show that they like girls outside of porn based on their tweets.

BTW Eririka did a recent movie where she has sex with another girl and her girlfriend is forced to watch. The girlfriend was literally in tears. If I recall when the reverse happened and Eririka had to watch she didn't really care lol I fast forwarded through it though cuz I was really only interested in Eririka's scene.
 
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Eririka Katagiri and Sora Shiina are a real couple and they do movies together involving other girls. That's amazing.
 

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Yes I agree there are more lesbian vids nowadays and it's becoming more mainstream (meaning, as you mentioned, more top class idols are doing them and also major studios and labels are releasing lesbian vids).

As usual, comparison with American porn is nearly pointless. Except for the usual commonalities between porn users and porn providers everywhere. Especially it would be wrong to think that Japan (society) acquired lesbianism or LGBT from the West, or lesbian AV from US porn industry.

That commonality is this: almost all of lesbian (just "les" in JAV) porn is made for straight males. It's not of, by nor for lesbians. Ok yes once in a while an AV idol may be involved in something that seems like lesbian relation. There's nothing related to "more accepting homosexuals" in the society.

What's clearly happening is that AV consumers (primarily straight males) are buying more girl-girl porn. Why that is happening now? I am not sure, but I have an accusative finger to the otakus. They buy POV because they don't want to see another man (face), and the next progression is of course to get rid of even the penis and cum. I admit back when I was a boyo I also preferred lesbian porn because it's less "messy" with no penis (less gay) and almost no visible bodily fluid (back then no one have even heard of female ejaculation). Do a search of any social study on lesbian porn you will get the whole explanation.

IRL, Japan (traditionally) is very tolerant of sexual variations. Unlike West, Orientals don't make a big deal about "born as gay" vs. lifestyle choice. Especially I think a lot of lesbians are "choice" type, a girl may choose to be close to a female friend not because vagina can stimulate her libido better than a penis, but because all the men (boys) she met are annoying (in Japanese: "troublesome"), or even just because she's excessively shy and confused by males. (which may be, ironically, proof that she's biologically straight)

Anyway, Japan is very relaxed about sexual orientations. Especially I think strong friendship bond between girls (that may seem like love?) and physical closeness (that bordering on sex acts?) is not such a big deal. It's perfectly normal (and expected) for straight men (or straight women) to go to a public bath or hot spring and enjoy a bath together and rub massage each other's skin. It's even very sensual, but not erotic.

The critical crucial thing to know about Japan is that they don't have the Adam+Eve+snake myth and Sodom and Gomorrah that send romantic love and sexual intercourse into a whole biblical pane (or Hell on Earth). For Japan, love between friends vs. love within family vs. love between a man and a woman are as distinct or different as in Christian traditions.

IMHO, some AV idols are in "lesbian relationship" is more a matter of convenience and necessity than some "innate sexual orientation". Any woman with a well-paid career, ESPECIALLY involving sex, well it's not easy finding a man (and a worthy man) who could handle it. If the idol prefers a less lonely personal life, then why not spend a lot of time with a female friend. Does that make them lesbians? Surprisingly it's not so black and white. Let's say even if they masturbate together or masturbate each other or even lick each other pussy. So what... It's hard to distinguish that from girlfriends just relaxing. Finally if they retire from AV and marry a man, then what? Is she a lesbian or straight?
 

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I think it's kinda strange that in Western porn, the progression of sex acts that girls will do is something like: solo masturbation, lesbian, hand-job, blow-job, vaginal, anal, etc. So you see girls that are "too good" for hard-core, like Malena Morgan, will so solo and lesbian but not anything with a cock.

In contrast, in JAV most top idols will do almost everything (although anal is rare for big stars) but doing lesbian is an outlier. Like you'll see girls that usually get fucked by 4 guys or take 100 loads without displaying any discomfort, get put together with another girl and they seem so awkward and uncomfortable kissing and touching another girl. I've always thought that was weird.
 
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Also Eririka Katagiri is legit a lesbian, and the only les scenes she has done have been with her girlfriend Sora Shiina

Just to correct you, Eririka has done scenes with other ladies besides Shiina Sora in the two bibian releases she done. She did a massage scene with Akari Hoshino in CLUB-235 and Yui Hatano in CLUB-289. Also on the August 19th Eririka is in a scene with Megumi Shino and Asahi Mizuno in a Lezule release LZPL-015. Eririka is just not creditied in those movies I mention, however, if you watch the previews you will see her in those videos. Shiina Sora also has a lesbian release in the AV Open next month and a scene with Lezule release LZWM-016.

I think lesbian movies are being more accepted into 'mainstream' AVs. However, the amount of release have picked up much in the past two years with new studios like Bibian and Lesre! coming onto the scene, sincestudios like Anna and Hanako and SOD's studio LadyLady have had no new releases in years. The studio U&K are still releasing new videos every month but they do experiment outside of the Lesbian genre. I think some studios, producers, and directors realize that there is a demographic that is being underserved and so they are trying to cash in. Somewhat similar to what SOD are doing with their SILK LABO studio and targeting ladies specifically.
 
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That commonality is this: almost all of lesbian (just "les" in JAV) porn is made for straight males. It's not of, by nor for lesbians.

yes, thats why 99% of lesbian porn in JAV is femme vs femme

What's clearly happening is that AV consumers (primarily straight males) are buying more girl-girl porn. Why that is happening now? I am not sure, but I have an accusative finger to the otakus. They buy POV because they don't want to see another man (face), and the next progression is of course to get rid of even the penis and cum. I admit back when I was a boyo I also preferred lesbian porn because it's less "messy" with no penis (less gay) and almost no visible bodily fluid (back then no one have even heard of female ejaculation). Do a search of any social study on lesbian porn you will get the whole explanation.

agree with this

IRL, Japan (traditionally) is very tolerant of sexual variations. Unlike West, Orientals don't make a big deal about "born as gay" vs. lifestyle choice. Especially I think a lot of lesbians are "choice" type, a girl may choose to be close to a female friend not because vagina can stimulate her libido better than a penis, but because all the men (boys) she met are annoying (in Japanese: "troublesome"), or even just because she's excessively shy and confused by males. (which may be, ironically, proof that she's biologically straight)

yes I've seen some examples in real life

IMHO, some AV idols are in "lesbian relationship" is more a matter of convenience and necessity than some "innate sexual orientation". Any woman with a well-paid career, ESPECIALLY involving sex, well it's not easy finding a man (and a worthy man) who could handle it. If the idol prefers a less lonely personal life, then why not spend a lot of time with a female friend. Does that make them lesbians? Surprisingly it's not so black and white. Let's say even if they masturbate together or masturbate each other or even lick each other pussy. So what... It's hard to distinguish that from girlfriends just relaxing. Finally if they retire from AV and marry a man, then what? Is she a lesbian or straight?

I think because females have big possibility to be bisex ? I've read a lot scientific studies that say bisex females are 2nd majority after the hetero, and pure lesbian the minority

so its common to see some girls that we think are lesbian, can sexually aroused by males too
 
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I think it's kinda strange that in Western porn, the progression of sex acts that girls will do is something like: solo masturbation, lesbian, hand-job, blow-job, vaginal, anal, etc. So you see girls that are "too good" for hard-core, like Malena Morgan, will so solo and lesbian but not anything with a cock.

In contrast, in JAV most top idols will do almost everything (although anal is rare for big stars) but doing lesbian is an outlier. Like you'll see girls that usually get fucked by 4 guys or take 100 loads without displaying any discomfort, get put together with another girl and they seem so awkward and uncomfortable kissing and touching another girl. I've always thought that was weird.

I've been thinking about this too

my guess is the girls who do girl only in the west are pure lesbian, or they wait for super big offer for BG action

while in JAV those girls are pure hetero, and they still can't hide it

its more easy to do something sexual with your own gender if you are bisex, but if you are pure straight its very difficult
 
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I think it's kinda strange that in Western porn, the progression of sex acts that girls will do is something like: solo masturbation, lesbian, hand-job, blow-job, vaginal, anal, etc. So you see girls that are "too good" for hard-core, like Malena Morgan, will so solo and lesbian but not anything with a cock.

In contrast, in JAV most top idols will do almost everything (although anal is rare for big stars) but doing lesbian is an outlier. Like you'll see girls that usually get fucked by 4 guys or take 100 loads without displaying any discomfort, get put together with another girl and they seem so awkward and uncomfortable kissing and touching another girl. I've always thought that was weird.
I actually am seeing more anal nowadays not as much as lesbian though. My current #1 fave Konishi Yuu even did a double penetration scene didn't look like she enjoyed it though. Surprisingly she is one jav star that hasn't done lesbian. . . yet.
 

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I think because females have big possibility to be bisex ? I've read a lot scientific studies that say bisex females are 2nd majority after the hetero, and pure lesbian the minority
so its common to see some girls that we think are lesbian, can sexually aroused by males too
while in JAV those girls are pure hetero, and they still can't hide it
its more easy to do something sexual with your own gender if you are bisex, but if you are pure straight its very difficult

Well I think we (on an English forum) carries a Judo-Christian-centric baggage when trying to understand hetero- and homo-porn in both US and Japan. We think of sexual orientation similar to say between vegetarian and meat-eaters and omnivores... Yes some people are life-time committed vegetarian, some are doing as a phase or an experiment. Some only eats meat, some are just casual. We don't label everyone as a "type" or worry too much if he's a biological vegetarian or it's his choice of political expression. And if he's an actor, do we care too much he's eating a hamburger in a film role? But in the West, sex is an obsession and a taboo. The West get so hyped up about even same-sex kiss. There's so much hang up that sex is a sin and it's only tolerated between a Man and a Woman within a marriage and preferably for the pleasure-less purpose of making more devotees to a God.

I kinda stopped following Western porn around the time this "GG/BG/DP..." gradation was developing so I don't understand it (nor care) at all. But (1) it lets amateur girls to make some money doing gg scene without ruining her life (since the greater society sees it that way), (2) it's rooted in this anti-sex religion society.

For JAV, let me argue that historically most Asian (and Japanese in particular) men and women never figured out what his/her innate sexuality was. Love, marriage, children, these are just the natural way, no one ever told them "Search your feelings" (with echoing sound effects). Only a minority (mainly the rich and royalty) have the luxury to even think about his/her inner desires. Since they happens to also be making the rules, they don't make homosexuality such a repulsive crime against nature as early Christians did.

The point is most Asians do not obsess over the "self" as the West. We don't say, oh I am Gay, so I can't even look at a vagina or get a erection with a girl. Or, oh I am a pure hetero woman and can't let a woman lick my pussy. For us, social norms, duty etc are legitimate reason to ... maybe not totally suppress the self, but to regulate, to moderate the self. So for example, if a (mainstream) producer say, "You have the face of a raging lesbian punk rock", the girl won't say, "that's not me, I am straight!" The girl would at least listen to him and respect his opinion, and work with his view, perhaps obediently follow his demands (if he's a very successful agent). For Westerners it's a crime against humanity, for Orientals it's a fact of life. For JAV girls (and even guys) having sex with someone or even something that's not your preference (say, sex with smelly homeless guys genre) is well undesirable but not unimaginable, especially... not un-negotiable.
 
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Well I think we (on an English forum) carries a Judo-Christian-centric baggage when trying to understand hetero- and homo-porn in both US and Japan. We think of sexual orientation similar to say between vegetarian and meat-eaters and omnivores... Yes some people are life-time committed vegetarian, some are doing as a phase or an experiment. Some only eats meat, some are just casual. We don't label everyone as a "type" or worry too much if he's a biological vegetarian or it's his choice of political expression. And if he's an actor, do we care too much he's eating a hamburger in a film role? But in the West, sex is an obsession and a taboo. The West get so hyped up about even same-sex kiss. There's so much hang up that sex is a sin and it's only tolerated between a Man and a Woman within a marriage and preferably for the pleasure-less purpose of making more devotees to a God.

I kinda stopped following Western porn around the time this "GG/BG/DP..." gradation was developing so I don't understand it (nor care) at all. But (1) it lets amateur girls to make some money doing gg scene without ruining her life (since the greater society sees it that way), (2) it's rooted in this anti-sex religion society.

For JAV, let me argue that historically most Asian (and Japanese in particular) men and women never figured out what his/her innate sexuality was. Love, marriage, children, these are just the natural way, no one ever told them "Search your feelings" (with echoing sound effects). Only a minority (mainly the rich and royalty) have the luxury to even think about his/her inner desires. Since they happens to also be making the rules, they don't make homosexuality such a repulsive crime against nature as early Christians did.

The point is most Asians do not obsess over the "self" as the West. We don't say, oh I am Gay, so I can't even look at a vagina or get a erection with a girl. Or, oh I am a pure hetero woman and can't let a woman lick my pussy. For us, social norms, duty etc are legitimate reason to ... maybe not totally suppress the self, but to regulate, to moderate the self. So for example, if a (mainstream) producer say, "You have the face of a raging lesbian punk rock", the girl won't say, "that's not me, I am straight!" The girl would at least listen to him and respect his opinion, and work with his view, perhaps obediently follow his demands (if he's a very successful agent). For Westerners it's a crime against humanity, for Orientals it's a fact of life. For JAV girls (and even guys) having sex with someone or even something that's not your preference (say, sex with smelly homeless guys genre) is well undesirable but not unimaginable, especially... not un-negotiable.

good point :)

want to add not only the christians, muslims also very anti LGBT
 

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Does anyone know any girls that only do lesbian? I see this in American porn but I can't recall any in JAV.
 

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Does anyone know any girls that only do lesbian? I see this in American porn but I can't recall any in JAV.

some girls are do non sex female dominations role only

but I think I never seen JAV girls who only do lesbian only

JAV is different from American porn, in JAV you can see some famous girls do sex with animals, sex with newhalf, heavy bondage, scat, ecc
 

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Konishi Yuu is finally doing lesbian in next month's attackers! My dream come true :nangiss: The only one left of my favs who hasn't done it yet is Rina Ishihara. Its really looking like almost all jav idols will do lesbian scenes now what a time to be alive!
 

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Its really looking like almost all jav idols will do lesbian scenes now what a time to be alive!

I notice more mature lesbian movies too. Minako Kirishima did already 2 lesbian titles.