JAV embracing r***, incest, and pedophilla?

[Taako]

This is not a statement or anything hostile toward JAV and the themes of some of their titles. I have watched some of these as well. But I was curious what everyone opinion was about the subject matter. The idea came from another poster and it go me thinking as well.

As the poster stated , The AV industry continues to double down on the support of the the "implied pedophilia and implied incest" themes. I will also add r*** to that category movies. I do wonder how this started with the studios and government just... sorta embracing these themes. And it's funny, because I would think such a society like Japan would be super against this.

So I do wonder, why Japan of all countries, make this type of porn? And what it say about their country?

My story: I got into JAV sorta late but I do remember I wrote a paper on Japanese culture during the feudal period. I am a big time samurai fan and did/have adopt some of the codes... the better ones lol Anyways knowing that, I just wonder why to this day. Why these porn themes??? Money, is an easy answer but I'm sure there's more.

Anyways, just something I was thinking about. No harm, no foul

 

[maload]

there is fun comment in these last 10 years that i begin to playing in this forum .

its start like this " because it is olympics so then the goverments have been forced the jav companys for removing incest movies and ...... ..... and ..... and .... and so on .

incest movies is crimes but any r*** movies is good.


i said they dont do it because its boring and they need to increase thier marketing .


i see lots of movies that actors play with actress s neck everywhere and its hurts. and the jav company never stop doing that .

because there is some kind of people buy it . love it .

Japanese culture do nothing here at all .

10 % gdp s japan tell the true story .

somebody buy these movies and lots of people dont like it .

there is some jav actress was burn in the cars ... . there is some jav actress was r***ing

so i dont think that " japan " will look good because they add the word " step or in law " into their movies s titles.

people all around the world still " ahh japan .... japan make 10% gpds from fucking movies ..... theire movies is the best for masterbate "


o incest movies are really bad but husbands lets 3 mens r*** his wife for fun is good ?
somebody ask this question .

 

[Taako]

there is fun comment in these last 10 years that i begin to playing in this forum .

its start like this " because it is olympics so then the goverments have been forced the jav companys for removing incest movies and ...... ..... and ..... and .... and so on .

incest movies is crimes but any r*** movies is good.


i said they dont do it because its boring and they need to increase thier marketing .


i see lots of movies that actors play with actress s neck everywhere and its hurts. and the jav company never stop doing that .

because there is some kind of people buy it . love it .

Japanese culture do nothing here at all .

10 % gdp s japan tell the true story .

somebody buy these movies and lots of people dont like it .

there is some jav actress was burn in the cars ... . there is some jav actress was r***ing

so i dont think that " japan " will look good because they add the word " step or in law " into their movies s titles.

people all around the world still " ahh japan .... japan make 10% gpds from fucking movies ..... theire movies is the best for masterbate "


o incest movies are really bad but husbands lets 3 mens r*** his wife for fun is good ?
somebody ask this question .

Btw I did add r***, so it's not only incest or pedophilla stuff. So gangbang can be included to that conversation.
I do agree adding "step or in law" doesn't change anything, unless the marriage isn't blood related. But JAV pretty much have families having sex.
I was just curious why the overseers of AV in Japan allows these movies to be made but censor dicks lol

 

[TheOppaiAddict]

It's no secret that Japan is shameless when it comes to what they consider "Entertainment" which I have to be honest I don't entirely agree with. One of them being there fascination with underage boys and girls. Whether it's music, film, television, anime, manga, video games nothing is off the table.

It's important to note that context is very important however that doesn't apply in AV. The AV industry is designed to cater to any and all kinks and fetishes no matter how questionable. However when you throw in themes of r*** and incest you lose me entirely. Yes I get it adult films are a fantasy but where do you draw the line when the actresses are selling the fantasy of being underaged girls who are being r***ing for entertainment purposes?

Look I enjoy sex and beautiful women who doesn't? But the AV industry's reliance on themes involving r*** and Pedophilia is just plain wrong I'm sorry...

 

[kessari]

Weird as it is , the japanese on the whole know how to separate fantasy from real life. And while they have the most crazy of assortment of fetishes , their country ranks in the top 10 safest countries and Tokyo taking safest city in 2019.
While the west have the most bizarre cases r*** murders and children been kidnapped into underground bunkers as sex slaves for years.
Whats more weird as in truth is stranger than fiction is when you go to the other end of the spectrum where countries are still following the more traditional and "pious" form of rules and social norm and strict religious piety , the crimes and the deprivation of rights against women and girls become even more widespread and atrocious.

And by the way if you wondering why foreigners are mostly not allowed in sex entertainment clubs in Japan. I once ask my japanese colleague why and this is his answer-
"Those crazy gai-jins , they go to a sex club and see a 25year old woman in school uniform , wanna call police and send woman back to middle school, crazy gai jins"

 

[TheOppaiAddict]

Weird as it is , the japanese on the whole know how to separate fantasy from real life. And while they have the most crazy of assortment of fetishes , their country ranks in the top 10 safest countries and Tokyo taking safest city in 2019.
While the west have the most bizarre cases r*** murders and children been kidnapped into underground bunkers as sex slaves for years.
Whats more weird as in truth is stranger than fiction is when you go to the other end of the spectrum where countries are still following the more traditional and "pious" form of rules and social norm and strict religious piety , the crimes and the deprivation of rights against women and girls become even more widespread and atrocious.

And by the way if you wondering why foreigners are mostly not allowed in sex entertain clubs in Japan. I once ask my japanese colleague why and this is his answer-
"Those crazy gai-jins , they go to a sex club and see a 25year old woman in school uniform , wanna call police and send woman back to middle school, crazy gai jins"

Kinks and fetishes aside that doesn't justify anything. I'm not about to give Japan a pass for something as simple as "Cultural Differences." Where talking about r***, incest and pedophilia here.

Remember when Nobuhiro Watsuki creator of Rurouni Kenshin was arrested for possession of child pornography? Well Watsuki told investigators he “liked girls between the ages of upper elementary school students to about the second year of junior high,” indicating a preferred range of no older than 14. While the Japanese language doesn’t have a word for “teenager,” it does have a term, judai, which describes someone between the age of 10 and 19, and police reports indicate the pornographic materials Watsuki was found to be in possession of depicted naked girls in the younger half of judai, which could indicate any age between 10 and 15.

The Tokyo Summary Court found the 47-year-old Watsuki to be in violation of Japan’s Anti-Child Prostitution and Pornography Ordinance. However, the manga artist will serve no jail time in relation to the infraction, instead being ordered to pay a fine of 200,000 yen (US$1,890). A slap on the wrist when you consider the kind of money he's made throughout his career as an artist.

Let's not pretend that he's the only adult male living in the country with a sick infatuation with children...

 

[kessari]

Kinks and fetishes aside that doesn't justify anything. I'm not about to give Japan a pass for something as simple as "Cultural Differences." Where talking about r***, incest and pedophilia here.

Remember when Nobuhiro Watsuki creator of Rurouni Kenshin was arrested for possession of child pornography? Well Watsuki told investigators he “liked girls between the ages of upper elementary school students to about the second year of junior high,” indicating a preferred range of no older than 14. While the Japanese language doesn’t have a word for “teenager,” it does have a term, judai, which describes someone between the age of 10 and 19, and police reports indicate the pornographic materials Watsuki was found to be in possession of depicted naked girls in the younger half of judai, which could indicate any age between 10 and 15.

The Tokyo Summary Court found the 47-year-old Watsuki to be in violation of Japan’s Anti-Child Prostitution and Pornography Ordinance. However, the manga artist will serve no jail time in relation to the infraction, instead being ordered to pay a fine of 200,000 yen (US$1,890). A slap on the wrist when you consider the kind of money he's made throughout his career as an artist.

Let's not pretend that he's the only adult male living in the country with a sick infatuation with children...

once again i wanto point out again the line here is able to distinguish bwteen fantasy and reality... comparatively , you should be more worried about countries that still actually practice child marriages , actual douche bags who kidnap real children in bunkers for years ,
ppl who "do" stuff then ppl who "think" about stuff

 

[TheOppaiAddict]

once again i wanto point out again the line here is able to distinguish bwteen fantasy and reality... comparatively , you should be more worried about countries that still actually practice child marriages , actual douche bags who kidnap real children in bunkers for years ,
ppl who "do" stuff then ppl who "think" about stuff

You do realize even if something is implied in a fantasy like setting doesn't mean it isn't trying to normalize the actual act itself. Or does it somehow make it better or passable because it's a "Fantasy" when compared to countries who do things like marry off children to adults or human trafficking etc.

 

[kessari]

You do realize even if something is implied in a fantasy like setting doesn't mean it isn't trying to normalize the actual act itself? Or does it make it better because it's a "Fantasy" when compared to countries who do things like marry off children to adults or human trafficking etc.

yes , nobody actually get hurt until you do stuff. you can fantasize all you want , just don't do anything that hurt any1 , thats my bottom line.

and strange that you said that , becoz one of the biggest hypocrisy in modern time is the depiction of killing , murder and in games and movies and shows are widely accepted. porn fantasy is "not ok" but a mad man in mask using a motor chainsaw to carve ppl up is ok?

i find actual real killing or maiming of a human being to be many times more repulsive than any porn , but seem like nobody have any problem with that "fantasy" shown on TV. Now one of the most popular show on netflix is squid game , a very horrible backdrop for mass murder in games.
Don't be mistaken , i enjoy squid game too , but the diff is i know its a show.
But what I cannot stand is ppl enjoying the show and having showing brains and blood splatter all over the place , and cry censor over 1 pair of boobs on TV because its "not right"

 

[TheOppaiAddict]

yes , nobody actually get hurt until you do stuff. you can fantasize all you want , just don't do anything that hurt any1 , thats my bottom line.

and strange that you said that , becoz one of the biggest hypocrisy in modern time is the depiction of killing , murder and in games and movies and shows are widely accepted. porn fantasy is "not ok" but a mad man in mask using a motor chainsaw to carve ppl up is ok?

i find actual real killing or maiming of a human being to be many times more repulsive than any porn , but seem like nobody have any problem with that "fantasy" shown on TV. Now one of the most popular show on netflix is squid game , a very horrible backdrop for mass murder in games.
Don't be mistaken , i enjoy squid game too , but the diff is i know its a show.
But what I cannot stand is ppl enjoying the show and having showing brains and blood splatter all over the place , and cry censor over 1 pair of boobs on TV because its "not right"

Yeah your talking to someone who doesn't watch the Horror genre or anything remotely close to it. I don't find enjoyment in blood and gore. My limit being video games and even that's a stretch the most violent games I own are from the God Of War, Devil May Cry, and Resident Evil series.

 

[Inju]

As some people pointed out, there is a huge difference between fantasy and reality. You may fantasize about anything. You may watch the hardest porn about r*** or incest, you may even roleplay your fantasies with willing sexual partner- and that's OK, as long as you do it in a Sane, Safe and Consensual way. No one gets hurt.

But is r***, incest and paedophilia really such a big part of JAV? I like watching r*** themed JAVS. Many times I saw an actress that I liked and I wanted to see more of her movies. I looked her up- and to my disappointment she mostly did "normal" JAVs, with very few r*** JAVs. Of course there are some actresses that specialize in those movies (Iroha Natsume is my favourite), still r*** doesn't seem to be very common theme in JAV.

 

[twenie]

As the poster stated , The AV industry continues to double down on the support of the the "implied pedophilia and implied incest" themes. I will also add r*** to that category movies. I do wonder how this started with the studios and government just... sorta embracing these themes. And it's funny, because I would think such a society like Japan would be super against this.

So I do wonder, why Japan of all countries, make this type of porn? And what it say about their country?

JAVs on the whole is very tame and vanilla compared to what their hentai manga can offer, those things over there are no longer implied.

 

[Taako]

Weird as it is , the japanese on the whole know how to separate fantasy from real life. And while they have the most crazy of assortment of fetishes , their country ranks in the top 10 safest countries and Tokyo taking safest city in 2019.
While the west have the most bizarre cases r*** murders and children been kidnapped into underground bunkers as sex slaves for years.
Whats more weird as in truth is stranger than fiction is when you go to the other end of the spectrum where countries are still following the more traditional and "pious" form of rules and social norm and strict religious piety , the crimes and the deprivation of rights against women and girls become even more widespread and atrocious.

And by the way if you wondering why foreigners are mostly not allowed in sex entertainment clubs in Japan. I once ask my japanese colleague why and this is his answer-
"Those crazy gai-jins , they go to a sex club and see a 25year old woman in school uniform , wanna call police and send woman back to middle school, crazy gai jins"

My starter about this topic wasn't crime stats and about these themes making ppl act up, because I'm sure they do.
And as good as those stats about being the safest country... well how much is actually reported in Japan? Japan society seems to be very "controlled".
It seems the govt and media works together to make sure you see and read what they want you to know. Same as China and South/North Korea.

Do the women and men actually report their abuses? Is it reported but not taken seriously? Or do they consider that "losing face"?
How much do the Japanese media/govt controls, so as to not lose face?

As I said before, this was me JUST wondering why the govt over there has let the studios embrace these r***, incest etc topics in porn but seemingly censors dicks, for an example lol

 

[Taako]

JAVs on the whole is very tame and vanilla compared to what their hentai manga can offer, those things over there are no longer implied.

Hentai is on another level. I don't even read that trash but that's my opinion lol

 

[twenie]

My starter about this topic wasn't crime stats and about these themes making ppl act up, because I'm sure they do.

This is a weak argument, because then you need to back it up with data and research. No need to do all of that BS, simply by saying that it's indecent is enough and you can pass that as a law banning the depiction of those acts if the majority of the parties agree. You can set what are decent and indecent just based on feelings and local culture and those reasonings are pretty much acceptable.

Talking about decency, in fact that's what makes the depiction of genitals against the law in Japan. It's simply like that and no reasoning is necessary.

 

[Taako]

As some people pointed out, there is a huge difference between fantasy and reality. You may fantasize about anything. You may watch the hardest porn about r*** or incest, you may even roleplay your fantasies with willing sexual partner- and that's OK, as long as you do it in a Sane, Safe and Consensual way. No one gets hurt.

But is r***, incest and paedophilia really such a big part of JAV? I like watching r*** themed JAVS. Many times I saw an actress that I liked and I wanted to see more of her movies. I looked her up- and to my disappointment she mostly did "normal" JAVs, with very few r*** JAVs. Of course there are some actresses that specialize in those movies (Iroha Natsume is my favourite), still r*** doesn't seem to be very common theme in JAV.

Incest, r***, and pedo seems to sell big and there's many titles.
As far as r*** not being common in JAV... well it is.
Look at the "School teachers or housewives being being blackmailed, gangbang, or that ridiculous one, where r*** is legal series. And the husband allows a man to enter his house(it can be his son too) and r***s his daughter and wife and they yelling no and stop it. Yet he continue to read the paper.
I get it, some studios wanted r*** and wanted to soften it by saying it was allowed.

And the TIME STOP series is full blown r***, of all women. Even a loli. That's not even hiding the r*** but it's trying to make it seems funny to make r*** less violent. STOP TIME AND r*** lol

But I didn't create the topic to preach against or for these themes. But I knew the topic would lead to it and that's okay too

 

[Taako]

It's no secret that Japan is shameless when it comes to what they consider "Entertainment" which I have to be honest I don't entirely agree with. One of them being there fascination with underage boys and girls. Whether it's music, film, television, anime, manga, video games nothing is off the table.

It's important to note that context is very important however that doesn't apply in AV. The AV industry is designed to cater to any and all kinks and fetishes no matter how questionable. However when you throw in themes of r*** and incest you lose me entirely. Yes I get it adult films are a fantasy but where do you draw the line when the actresses are selling the fantasy of being underaged girls who are being r***ing for entertainment purposes?

Look I enjoy sex and beautiful women who doesn't? But the AV industry's reliance on themes involving r*** and Pedophilia is just plain wrong I'm sorry...

Yes, that's an interesting thing as well. Seem even in regular anime you will see a "implied underage loli" in tight shorts, naked(Evangelion,etc) or shotas wanting big boobs and sex at such a young age. The depictions are weird af but we all say Japan and just go with it lol

 

[Taako]

This is a weak argument, because then you need to back it up with data and research. No need to do all of that BS, simply by saying that it's indecent is enough and you can pass that as a law banning the depiction of those acts if the majority of the parties agree. You can set what are decent and indecent just based on feelings and local culture and those reasonings are pretty much acceptable.

Talking about decency, in fact that's what makes the depiction of genitals against the law in Japan. It's simply like that and no reasoning is necessary.

Actually its not a weak argument, It just doesn't fit your narrative and you consider it weak. It's about having a different opinion, And you can share your rather weak opinion as well.

 

[twenie]

Actually its not a weak argument, It just doesn't fit your narrative and you consider it weak. It's about having a different opinion, And you can share your rather weak opinion as well.

You got it wrong, it's a weak argument (that watching porn influences people behavior) because you need to back it up with science and what happen when the researches do not support your view? Skip the science BS part and just say that it's simply indecent to depict r***, pedo tendencies etc. even in fantasy for public consumption - you might find a lot of people agreeing with you.

The drawback to this is that it depends on the local culture what constitutes what is decent or not, which you may already realize that we as non-Japanese (I assume you are) don't really have a say what Japanese think or do, unless it involves profit (e.g. selling JAVs outside of Japan is a lucrative market so they need to conform to what are acceptable outside of Japan).

 

[Albert Tatlock]

It's no secret that Japan is shameless when it comes to what they consider "Entertainment" which I have to be honest I don't entirely agree with. One of them being there fascination with underage boys and girls. Whether it's music, film, television, anime, manga, video games nothing is off the table.

It's important to note that context is very important however that doesn't apply in AV. The AV industry is designed to cater to any and all kinks and fetishes no matter how questionable. However when you throw in themes of r*** and incest you lose me entirely. Yes I get it adult films are a fantasy but where do you draw the line when the actresses are selling the fantasy of being underaged girls who are being r***ing for entertainment purposes?

Look I enjoy sex and beautiful women who doesn't? But the AV industry's reliance on themes involving r*** and Pedophilia is just plain wrong I'm sorry...

"But the AV industry's reliance on themes involving r*** and Pedophilia is just plain wrong I'm sorry..."

You are 100% correct, but and it's a big but, studios make movies based on what will sell and whether we like it or not r*** and loli themes sell. The actress may be 26 years old and she may be good friends and comfortable with all the actors in the scene, but put her in school uniform and have several of the "teachers" gang bang her and the movie sells well... it's just business at the end of the day.