JAV embracing r***, incest, and pedophilla?

kessari

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But basically to put it all down on how i feel , I think the best is to use an example of incest JAV.
There is a major diff between watching a vid and imagining Aki Sasaki as your hot mom and banging her on the kitchen table
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And REALLY IRL going back to your mom's place and ...
No Gods can save you then.
Of coz i do respect ppl who think that even the thought of imagining Aki Sasaki as your mom and banging her is the most heinous atrocity there is but we just on different paths man..
 

Burdeos

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But basically to put it all down on how i feel , I think the best is to use an example of incest JAV.
There is a major diff between watching a vid and imagining Aki Sasaki as your hot mom and banging her on the kitchen table
venu00638jp-3.jpg



And REALLY IRL going back to your mom's place and ...
No Gods can save you then.
Of coz i do respect ppl who think that even the thought of imagining Aki Sasaki as your mom and banging her is the most heinous atrocity there is but we just on different paths man..
Most if not all people here are to old to have a young hot mom like Aki Sasaki. In jav the son is always older than the mom, if that was the case in real life, you would have seen more people with such thoughts :pusing:
 

darksider59

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Same as "Do violent video games make people violent ?". Normal people know it's fantasy and just entertainment. But there is a small percentage who are already fucked up and addicted, if it wasn't JAV, it would be something else. You can already see here a preview of addiction. Some believe everything is always real in the movies (semen, cumshots, urine,...). And when you tell them the obvious reality, they insult you. That tells you there is something wrong with them.
 

TheOppaiAddict

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This is a weak argument, because then you need to back it up with data and research. No need to do all of that BS, simply by saying that it's indecent is enough and you can pass that as a law banning the depiction of those acts if the majority of the parties agree. You can set what are decent and indecent just based on feelings and local culture and those reasonings are pretty much acceptable.

Talking about decency, in fact that's what makes the depiction of genitals against the law in Japan. It's simply like that and no reasoning is necessary.
Imagine thinking that facts about the Japanese culture that's public knowledge I might add is a "Weak Argument" and then doubling down on the idea of "Cultural Differences" like that's supposed to somehow make it better or exempt Japan from any criticism.

Let me make a comparison here between Japan and the United States that people like you and others gloss over entirely in order to push there own narrative. Japan gets a pass for all the questionable things they do in there society while the United States gets hammered constantly. Not to say that it isn't warranted because it definitely is I'm speaking from experience here I live there. However there's clearly a double standard between the two but I digress...
 
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TheOppaiAddict

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Same as "Do violent video games make people violent ?". Normal people know it's fantasy and just entertainment. But there is a small percentage who are already fucked up and addicted, if it wasn't JAV, it would be something else. You can already see here a preview of addiction. Some believe everything is always real in the movies (semen, cumshots, urine,...). And when you tell them the obvious reality, they insult you. That tells you there is something wrong with them.
If you already have a warped perception on reality and find entertainment in things like r***, incest etc watching it ain't going to make it better. Which is part of my argument when I say that the AV industry's reliance on selling these fantasy like settings are clearly being bought and enjoyed by those people.

You as an individual are responsible for how you perceive things yes however having it be readily available does not make it any better. How much do you want to bet those same people are reading so much into it they are thinking of doing it themselves?
 

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Wow... sensitive topic. Rare to see such intense discussion in just a few days. I'm adding my own oil to fire:

Preface: (1) I don't support a total ban based on simplistic black/white definable distinction (similar to total ban on "r***" theme in US), (2) I do enjoy some amount of NTR or in general JAV showing behavior that's totally illegal or inappropriate or disgusting in real life. Main argument: some aspect of Japanese sexuality is pretty fucked up, and JAV does a big part in normalize/validate (if not really embrace) it.

One thing to consider is Japanese culture don't see sex in some religious angle (burn in hell!) like the West and Middle East, nor see sex as some super strict moral corruption like China. Japan sees sex as (1) baby-making or (2) pleasure activity (mainly for the man). So a woman perform music or dance for man? Fine! Woman perform blowjob for man? Just as fine! Actually I have long argued that in Japanese culture, anything that doesn't make baby is not sex. That's why top idols make such a big deal about creampie un-banning (解禁 ). In the West, losing virginity (defined as penis insertion in vagina or (in the old days) breaking of hymen) is a "life-changing" event. For Japanese, it's only one of many important events: first kiss, first fuck, first creampie. The real significant one is the first time sex without condom. So creampie unbanning for a high profile idol (e.g. Shoko Takahashi) is like public viewing her losing virginity (despite fans-in-the-know already know it's fake semen) :
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Flip around, any sex act with condom or ejaculation outside of vagina is no big deal, even if it's r*** and/or incest.

The argument crime rate in Japan is super low is also BS. It's true public security in tourist/rich districts are excellent/world class. But social studies conducted by Japanese researchers (only partially translated into English) reported over the years, that a vast majority of young girls or women had suffered what in the West would be classified as sexual assault. A girl or woman who's been r***ing, over 50% of them would not report a (officially statistic-counted) crime. They go home and take a shower, and cry under a pillow, quietly so as not to alarm their family. Even if there's DNA left behind, mostly she would not kept a sample and have police trace down the criminal. The realistic chance to see the criminal get a reasonable sentencing is pretty terrible, and the chance that she would suffer much much more pain and humiliation at the police station, hospital, court, on newspaper etc etc, the math doesn't work for her.

The argument the industry is just passively reflecting the customer base's desires, is just plain wrong. Of course the industry is profit seeking and must respect the customer demands, but the industry has a huge role to influence the fan taste too. They got the fandom to accept mosaic, don't forget that.

One example, I admit it's totally impractical in legal or regulatory terms, is ban all "meaningless" incest. There are many vids, probably including the Aki Sasaki above is "meaningless" in the sense that the whole vid is almost exactly the same, if the cover doesn't say "incest" in big font. A man and a woman in the same house have sex, they could be husband and wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, neighbors, housewife and pizza-delivery guy, or... if the cover says so, they could be mother/son, father/daughter, brother/sister. The whole vid is almost exactly the same except maybe for the 20 seconds foreplay conversation they address each other. It's totally SILLY!

Some of you maybe old enough to have seen Caligula starring Peter O'Toole and Helen Mirren, Caligula incest with his sister. That's epic cinema. At the same time disgusting and arousing.

My pet theory is not that the fandom actually wish to fuck his mother/sister/daughter. I think there are a lot of otaku who are afraid to talk and flirt and hook up with opposite sex. They only have enough courage to interact with family members, so by extension intercourse with family members. DISGUSTING! Hmmm nevermind, it's a foreign country, why do I care woman suck her son's sperm behind closed door? But it's VERY LAME!

Like I said, it's not practical to define a boundary and ban it. Just because an action is wrong it should not be banned as entertainment topic. Like it's fine to show murder on film, but it should be presented with moral bias. Like Ernst Blofeld can murder, but the film use the murder to tell us Blofeld is a bad guy. 007 has license to kill, but he uses it rarely and only in service to Her Majesty. Esp. he never uses his license to kill as a license to fuck.

Used to be some JAV has a pre-credit screen warning the scenes you will see is wrong and illegal. That should be used a lot more often. Fine if you must masturbate to imaginary sister, but you ought to be ashamed of yourself! Also I think every "real" r*** (not typical NTR, and how to distinguish r*** from NTR, my gods that's another barrel of worm) could be concluded with some punishment scene the r**ist has his penis cut off, with a dull knife.
 

twenie

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Imagine thinking that facts about the Japanese culture that's public knowledge I might add is a "Weak Argument" and then doubling down on the idea of "Cultural Differences" like that's supposed to somehow make it better or exempt Japan from any criticism.

Let me make a comparison here between Japan and the United States that people like you and others gloss over entirely in order to push there own narrative. Japan gets a pass for all the questionable things they do in there society while the United States gets hammered constantly. Not to say that it isn't warranted because it definitely is I'm speaking from experience here I live there. However there's clearly a double standard between the two but I digress...
You are making the same mistake as the guy/girl I was replying to. It's not because Japan gets a pass, but because his argument is that watching porn can influence people behavior thus don't show perversions, which then you need to back up with science. That is what makes it weak.

Just say that it's not appropriate to depict various perversions even in fantasy for public consumption. Why? You can say that it's to maintain public decency and be a decent human like we don't go into a supermarket naked. Appeal to emotion and "common sense" and you might find a lot of people emphatize with you.

And for people who have double standard for USA and Japan, in what case? I myself would want US porn to go in the direction of JAV - That's what made me switch to JAV a couple of decades ago anyway.
 

TheOppaiAddict

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You are making the same mistake as the guy/girl I was replying to. It's not because Japan gets a pass, but because his argument is that watching porn can influence people behavior thus don't show perversions, which then you need to back up with science. That is what makes it weak.

Just say that it's not appropriate to depict various perversions even in fantasy for public consumption. Why? You can say that it's to maintain public decency and be a decent human like we don't go into a supermarket naked. Appeal to emotion and "common sense" and you might find a lot of people emphatize with you.

And for people who have double standard for USA and Japan, in what case? I myself would want US porn to go in the direction of JAV - That's what made me switch to JAV a couple of decades ago anyway.
If you don't think that a trouble individual can be influenced by something like Porn your kidding yourself. Adult films aren't only watched by individuals like us there are many others who watch it and perpetuate the fantasy there watching as reality. Just ask the many men behind bars for crimes like r***, incest and pedophilia. And just because you don't hear about it in Japanese news doesn't mean there aren't arrest being done everyday for those exact crimes.
 

twenie

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If you don't think that a trouble individual can be influenced by something like Porn your kidding yourself. Adult films aren't only watched by individuals like us there are many others who watch it and perpetuate the fantasy there watching as reality. Just ask the many men behind bars for crimes like r***, incest and pedophilia. And just because you don't hear about it in Japanese news doesn't mean there aren't arrest being done everyday for those exact crimes.
Yes, and that's why in my country any form of porn (including premarital sex and adultery if reported) is illegal. It simply goes straight into the root of the "problem". Isn't my country wonderful? I'm sure you'd agree!

Why are we even here in a porn forum again?
 

ramp_it_up

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I don't think it has anything to do with content. I remember reading something about the credit card companies having something to do with this. Because incest and other types of movies vanished from various tube sites. Seems like back in the content was more extreme which i liked. You would see a flat chested loli in garter belts and a red backpack fucked in the woods on cardboard with a dog collar, now these movies are silently disappearing from r18.
 
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kessari

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If you don't think that a trouble individual can be influenced by something like Porn your kidding yourself. Adult films aren't only watched by individuals like us there are many others who watch it and perpetuate the fantasy there watching as reality. Just ask the many men behind bars for crimes like r***, incest and pedophilia. And just because you don't hear about it in Japanese news doesn't mean there aren't arrest being done everyday for those exact crimes.
99.99% ppl play CS and don't go around taking automatic rifles and kill ppl , but the tiny fraction who play CS and does it IRL is influenced by the game to do it?? thats a pretty daft statement.

and all countries have crimes non-reported , why are you nit picking on Japan? You think Japan go on top 10 safest countries index by not reporting crimes? I don't see NK and China in those countries list. I have been to japan and i can tell you its IS very safe. Why do you keep thinking Japan is a sex-crime cesspool because of its porn? Frankly have you even been to Japan or your knowledge of Japan is based on japanese porn?

Though I greatly regret not able to get in japan sex clubs , I do understand why now. Everyone including the sex entertainers are just doing their thing and these dumb gai jins come in and keep trying to "save everyone". Can't explain to them its all paid fantasy cause they are too dumb , just banned all foreigners.

Instead of directing your "righteous porn" fury against the countless of "clandestine non reported crimes" committed in japan influenced by jap porn why don't you direct it to countries with zero porn policies but have daily real reports of underage preteens,teens,women ganged r*** , women being oppressed and worse , you think japan have countless of sex crimes unreported? What about getting acid splashed on your face or burned alive if you try to report sex crimes. I mean dude seriously why are you harassing ppl who are harming no one and just wanna live their own lives instead of going after ppl who really hurting ppl.

Incidentlly this kinda reminds me of a apartment i stayed for a short attachment. There this pair nice gay couple living beside me keep having these local church members visiting them to "convert" and tell them what they doing "are wrong" , and they are teaching kids in the neighbourhood "the wrong values". I am a timid "don't want trouble person" =( , so only when i was leaving , then i told them off "why you harassing them for , they don't hurt anyone, the guy living below have been beating up his wife and kids every night, why don't you guys go convert him and tell him its wrong?" I still remember their scowling faces like I am sent by the Devil himself till today
 
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TheOppaiAddict

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99.99% ppl play CS and don't go around taking automatic rifles and kill ppl , but the tiny fraction who play CS and does it IRL is influenced by the game to do it?? thats a pretty daft statement.

and all countries have crimes non-reported , why are you nit picking on Japan? You think Japan go on top 10 safest countries index by not reporting crimes? I don't see NK and China in those countries list. I have been to japan and i can tell you its IS very safe. Why do you keep thinking Japan is a sex-crime cesspool because of its porn? Frankly have you even been to Japan or your knowledge of Japan is based on japanese porn?

Though I greatly regret not able to get in japan sex clubs , I do understand why now. Everyone including the sex entertainers are just doing their thing and these dumb gai jins come in and keep trying to "save everyone". Can't explain to them its all paid fantasy cause they are too dumb , just banned all foreigners.

Instead of directing your "righteous porn" fury against the countless of "clandestine non reported crimes" committed in japan influenced by jap porn why don't you direct it to countries with zero porn policies but have daily real reports of underage preteens,teens,women ganged r*** , women being oppressed and worse , you think japan have countless of sex crimes unreported? What about getting acid splashed on your face or burned alive if you try to report sex crimes. I mean dude seriously why are you harassing ppl who are harming no one and just wanna live their own lives instead of going after ppl who really hurting ppl.

Incidentlly this kinda reminds me of a apartment i stayed for a short attachment. There this pair nice gay couple living beside me keep having these local church members visiting them to "convert" and tell them what they doing "are wrong" , and they are teaching kids in the neighbourhood "the wrong values". I am a timid "don't want trouble person" =( , so only when i was leaving , then i told them off "why you harassing them for , they don't hurt anyone, the guy living below have been beating up his wife and kids every night, why don't you guys go convert him and tell him its wrong?" I still remember their scowling faces like I am sent by the Devil himself till today
"I must defend the honor of the things that I enjoy because if I don't nobody else will" That's you right? That's what a 44 year old man came to do on this thread right?? Yeah nothing even remotely childish about that...

Rightous Porn Fury? Dude I know sarcasm when I see it. In a generation of incredibly sensitive people like yourself I've made sarcasm into an art form. Which brings me to your hilarious attempt at a rebuttal.

You clearly didn't read everything I've wrote here and I wrote just enough to get my point across. People like you pick and choose what to respond to because there impulses don't allow them to READ EVERYTHING and actually comprehend all that's written.

And for that and that alone it ain't even worth talking to you because you clearly know more then everyone right? I'm sure you think you do so let me get off stage and give you your spotlight and watch you choke on your own stupidity. Even though you technically already did but your not smart enough to know that...
 
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kssk

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It would suck if the most extremely deranged individuals in society dictated what we would be able to consume as entertainment.

And this applies not just to porn or video games or movies. What about music? You could say, “well, some music does glorify violence, so just ban those.” But Charles Manson was responsible for murdering 9 people, and he was inspired by the music of The Beatles. The Beatles. Nowhere near considered violent music, yet some psycho still decided to kill people because of his twisted interpretation of their songs.

At that point should we just ban all forms of entertainment? Because even the most benign, harmless things will inspire some crazy person out there to kill or r***. It’s kinda ridiculous to me. If someone watches/listens to/plays something and decides to kill because of it, then banning that thing isn’t going to help; they probably would’ve been triggered to kill by literally anything. A person like that needs help more than anything, to stop them from hurting others or themselves.

Anyway, I hope JAV never becomes as “sanitized” as its western counterpart. I’m not into 95% of the kinky stuff but I’m willing to just ignore them for the fetish(es) that I do enjoy. And this is probably the only post I'm gonna write in this thread because this is never gonna end well LOL.
 
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kessari

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"I must defend the honor of the things that I enjoy because if I don't nobody else will" That's you right? That's what a 44 year old man came to do on this thread right?? Yeah nothing even remotely childish about that...

Rightous Porn Fury? Dude I know sarcasm when I see it. In a generation of incredibly sensitive people like yourself I've made sarcasm into an art form. Which brings me to your hilarious attempt at a rebuttal.

You clearly didn't read everything I've wrote here and I wrote just enough to get my point across. People like you pick and choose what to respond to because there impulses don't allow them to READ EVERYTHING and actually comprehend all that's written.

And for that and that alone it ain't even worth talking to you because you clearly know more then everyone right? I'm sure you think you do so let me get off stage and give you your spotlight and watch you choke on your own stupidity. Even though you technically already did but your not smart enough to know that...
Sorry dbl post
 
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kessari

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"I must defend the honor of the things that I enjoy because if I don't nobody else will" That's you right? That's what a 44 year old man came to do on this thread right?? Yeah nothing even remotely childish about that...

Rightous Porn Fury? Dude I know sarcasm when I see it. In a generation of incredibly sensitive people like yourself I've made sarcasm into an art form. Which brings me to your hilarious attempt at a rebuttal.

You clearly didn't read everything I've wrote here and I wrote just enough to get my point across. People like you pick and choose what to respond to because there impulses don't allow them to READ EVERYTHING and actually comprehend all that's written.

And for that and that alone it ain't even worth talking to you because you clearly know more then everyone right? I'm sure you think you do so let me get off stage and give you your spotlight and watch you choke on your own stupidity. Even though you technically already did but your not smart enough to know that...
Now you just ranting and throwing out insults because someone disagree with you, talk about childish. We are done here.
 

Dorting

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is it really the Japanese industry that is obsessed with youth? Let's be realistic; men like young girls, it is useless to try to go against nature it is no coincidence that even in the major western porn sites, the teen genre is always among the most searched
 

Pms1983

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This is not a statement or anything hostile toward JAV and the themes of some of their titles. I have watched some of these as well. But I was curious what everyone opinion was about the subject matter. The idea came from another poster and it go me thinking as well.

As the poster stated , The AV industry continues to double down on the support of the the "implied pedophilia and implied incest" themes. I will also add r*** to that category movies. I do wonder how this started with the studios and government just... sorta embracing these themes. And it's funny, because I would think such a society like Japan would be super against this.

So I do wonder, why Japan of all countries, make this type of porn? And what it say about their country?

My story: I got into JAV sorta late but I do remember I wrote a paper on Japanese culture during the feudal period. I am a big time samurai fan and did/have adopt some of the codes... the better ones lol Anyways knowing that, I just wonder why to this day. Why these porn themes??? Money, is an easy answer but I'm sure there's more.

Anyways, just something I was thinking about. No harm, no foul
Well the actresses are all at least 18, and everything is scripted so it's not really real pedophilia or r*** is it? It's just a fantasy, a fetish which I think is fine. It's if some stupid idiot tries to take it into the real world that it becomes a problem.
 

Taako

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Imagine thinking that facts about the Japanese culture that's public knowledge I might add is a "Weak Argument" and then doubling down on the idea of "Cultural Differences" like that's supposed to somehow make it better or exempt Japan from any criticism.

Let me make a comparison here between Japan and the United States that people like you and others gloss over entirely in order to push there own narrative. Japan gets a pass for all the questionable things they do in there society while the United States gets hammered constantly. Not to say that it isn't warranted because it definitely is I'm speaking from experience here I live there. However there's clearly a double standard between the two but I digress...
Exactly.