JAV Gossip chatroom

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Meta:
I started the thread JAV Gossips, which doesn't mean I own it.
Recently there are many posts on it that I don't think belong in that thread and also many posts that I personally disagree with, very strongly. Which is no big deal, I can give up the thread, I don't own it to begin with.

But recently I become convinced that my continuing contribution is unique and valuable, which means MY opinion and vision of that thread matters.

My vision is, it's a news room, a semi-serious place that 90+ % of it is credible news and gossip source coming from idols themselves, AV industry (news), industry insider (gossip), or mainstream media.

Obviously there's a desire (esp. myself) to chat and yak and speculate and debate (even insult each other) over these news and gossips. But I don't want that to happen in the news room. There should be a chatroom for that. Better, a bar.

I think it is very valueable to keep the thread separate despite it's slightly more effort, to read the gossip in one thread, then quote it and bring discussion in another thread.

Why? Because often you see something or talk about something and I go "hey wasn't she involved in something months ago?" It's very useful to have a thread that's 99% news/gossip, 0% opinion/discussion. I want to find out the old story, not re-live the conversation or argument.

So here is my N-th attempt to create compartmentalized threads, HERE you are welcome to bring up anything, out of your ass if you wish. Let's all be rude but reasonably so. You can well disagree, but don't have any unrealistic hope of changing other's heart and mind. No one has right to censorship anyone else, but just like chess and Go, you are not allowed to repeat the same moves three times in a row.

 

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OK here is my first disucussion.

I can confirm that the Agencies do spent time policing Social Media accounts to protect the images of their assets :-

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Here is a HUGE problem that industry got themselves into. Vids are easily pirated so industry lose revenue. One way to compensate is give fans some personal connection, some personal investment if you want. So J-pop come up with AKB48, very mediocre music, but give fans direct personal participation. So JAV come up with meet-and-greet and photo events (and Ebisu Muscat). But there's fundamental contradiction in it.

What's the value for fans? Obviously not the actual thing you could get, say a signature, or snap a photo of her. You can buy signatures from 2nd hand market easily, and any photo book would have tons of beautiful photos. So you have the personal experience of being with her, maybe shake her hand, a little chat. That's worth some value sure, the value itself IS the idol is sharing herself with the fan. Fans follow her tweets and she share her strawberry parfait or cat cuddling with you. You go to meet-and-greet and she's sharing her skin contact with you (even if only her right palm). But there's also value to fans to be able to show off, the industry attract fans by sharing idol's personal life with fans. But fans also want to share his personal contact with AV idols. So industry wanting to control that is self-contradictory.

I think in the bad old days, entertainment world (both mainstream and AV) were much more closed, what fans can get is only the performance and once in a while very carefully managed and controlled interviews. Modern world bring us overshare as the baseline expectation. Personally I think oversharing cheapens the idols. So industry have difficulty maintaining the high glamour level of their idols if at the same time tell fans come to our events pay as little as a coffee's money and you can be "with" your fav idol.

Worst case you gloom crazy fans who can seriously damage your brand. In bad old days crazy fans hang themselves at home and the police would find a thousand letters in his/er closet that's never going to get mailed. Now crazy fans can share his suicide with subject of his obsession, perhaps splash his blood on the idol and broadcast it live on social media.

 

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Even industry including a "used panty" with DVD sales is unwise, IMHO. What kind of moron actually believe the panty is really "used" meaningfully? Perhaps when they first come up with the idea, the publisher really ship a big box of fresh new panties to the idol and ask that she would, in her privacy and whenever convenient, put on each pair of panties and wear it on her personal crotch for at least 0.01 seconds than take it off dump it in another box and studio would pick up the box later and package it with the DVD.

But nowadays... I think the most you could expect is that the idol would touch each panty on her thigh or butt cheek for 0.1 second and that's it. It's just too much work to stick her legs thru each hole on each pair of panties. More realistic case is that some Chinese manufacturer mass produce panties touched by a female worker pack loose in a big box that arrive at some packing plant to be packed with DVD that are pressed in Taiwan. Those panties probably never even came to the same city that the idol live and work.

I think it's reasonable for any sensible fan to come to the same guess as I. Yet there are fans who assign values to those panties (I admit I wouldn't mind owning a pair with a package that says it's used by Julia or Asahi Mizuno, no matter how fake it might be). So evidently the industry is dependent on fans who are not the smartest nor the most sensible.

I'm afraid industry is feeding, and feeding on, fan's unhealthy obsessions. That's why I wrote a while back a post that one day some nutjob fan would go over the edge, probably sniffing a few thousand "used" panties, sending a thousand creepy tweets to his idol and finally would kidnap and r*** and murder an idol. And that would be the End of Everything.

 

[M1N0RA]

I'm afraid industry is feeding, and feeding on, fan's unhealthy obsessions.

People will do that on their own.
I wonder how many fans see jav as just a pleasant fantasy that allows you to peek into the sexuality of gorgeous women, and how many are just batshit insane and actually think these girls have any kind of emotional attachment to them.

 

[darksider59]

I wonder how many fans see jav as just a pleasant fantasy that allows you to peek into the sexuality of gorgeous women, and how many are just batshit insane and actually think these girls have any kind of emotional attachment to them.

More than you think probably. With idol (kpop and jpop) many fans are dumb enough to think they own the idol (that's why there are many "scandals"). AKB had several incidents with crazy idiots attacking the girls. JAV attracts weirdos, just with all those hardcore themes (they have to use crazy girls [proved by an actress AMA] to do this movies so, the targeted audience is as crazy). Even "vanilla" actresses can be a target. If I'm not mistaken, Masami Ichikawa received death threats or something like that.

 

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Even "vanilla" actresses can be a target. If I'm not mistaken, Masami Ichikawa received death threats or something like that.

Some crazy fan send death threats to her manager - he claimed he just wanted to be close to Masami. He also had a twitter account where he posted several tweets in order to explain his feelings.

 

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So another soft- news story came out that (as follow-up to earlier report of the richest AV idols) some performers are piss-poor. Failing to keep up with the 40000 Yens rent of the cheapest dingiest apartment without shower. Riry Houshou 宝生リリー revealed a group sex scene could pay her as little as 6000 Yens. So the industry is kinda bi-polar. The few winners can get big salary and all kinds of perks but plenty of losers are getting minimal pays. It even came out that Rion's agency doesn't charge her any cut. Meaning they do the management work for her but not only makes no profit but actually doesn't even recover any cost. But they do it because Rion is a great brand name for them (to help recruit other girls).

So for me it's nothing new. Every industry has their own food chain. A few top feeders make almost all the money and most bottom feeders are constantly on the brink of survival. I think this is just market economy doing its thing. The sex industry tends to attract more losers because the skill requirement seems minimal. So some people with a political/religious axe to grind likes to use these stories to paint a very dark picture. But you got to ask, not that there are a lot (???) of losers/sad stories in sex industry but would these losers be better off or those sad stories never happens if the sex industry weren't there to begin with?

Failure to pay rent for a crappy apartment is a very pathetic story but I don't think the sex industry is to blame. I could agree that society/gov/church should do more to help certain people but that's entirely different from the argument that sex industry sbouldn't be there. What the conservatives (such as Abe) want to do is to blame sex industry and everyone else and distract from their own failures and corruptions.

Actually the take-home message I got from the inside stories is that JAV industry is less immoral than many mainstream sectors: the frontline workers actually get a good percentage of the income. Frontline = prime generators of values, e.g. farmers for food industry, so by comparison farmers get a very tiny percentage of what end customers pay. But because food industry doesn't involve sex, the society general can tolerate a lot of immoral practice by food industry.

What about 6000 Yens pay for an actress like Houshou? Isn't that exploitative wage? Hmm maybe not... If it's one scene (not a full length vid) and with multiple actresses and if the story's point is to expose the minimal extreme, then yeah well by definition the typical pay is higher than the minimal. Houshou is a 5 years vet with a hot body (judging from covers) but she's neither fresh nor famous. So 6000 Yens minimal is perhaps not too surprising.

 

[EroMura777]

So for me it's nothing new. Every industry has their own food chain. A few top feeders make almost all the money and most bottom feeders are constantly on the brink of survival. I think this is just market economy doing its thing.

If you change "porn actress" for "youtuber" or "twitch streamer" it doesn't sound as glamourous.

 

[paparoach408]

Yup like every industry, people at the top get everything and the ones at the bottom very little, I honestly had no idea who Riry is, and looking her up i still don't know her

 

[darksider59]

Some crazy fan send death threats to her manager - he claimed he just wanted to be close to Masami. He also had a twitter account where he posted several tweets in order to explain his feelings.

Sending death threats and calling himself a "fan" lol.

I honestly had no idea who Riry is, and looking her up i still don't know her

I never head about her neither. She doesn't have a lot of movies and seems to be a freelancer. So, she starts from the bottom. If she sells well, she will earn more. It's the same for every industry. Plus in JAV, there are so much girls that studios have a lot of choices. If they want to spend less money on a movie, they will hire a low rank actress.

 

[M1N0RA]

So for me it's nothing new. Every industry has their own food chain. A few top feeders make almost all the money and most bottom feeders are constantly on the brink of survival. I think this is just market economy doing its thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

It's just the way the universe rolls.
20% of the stars have 80% of all matter in existence.
20% of society controls 80% of the planet's wealth.

So on and so forth.

 

[paparoach408]

http://www.tokyokinky.com/top-japanese-porn-star-akiho-yoshizawa-announces-retirement/
https://www.tokyoreporter.com/enter...awa-to-retire-from-porn-after-15-year-career/

So Acky is retiring in march, that's the end of an era, the last 100% "Star" Vanilla girl still shocked she's only 34

 

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https://twitter.com/akiho_yoshi/status/1046722495808647169

seems like she gonna move from 1 studio to another, not exactly retire

 

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Oh shoot, sorry i trusted twitter's translation too much, pasted that into Google and it's much clearer

Sorry about that

 

[jwlim80]

Notes taken from the in depth interview with Akiho Yoshizawa published today :-

1) She made the final decision to quit at the end of 2017

2) The decision came about during filming sessions in 2016 when she feels that she is at her limit several times.

3) As such, she is physically fit but mentally drained that she no longer feel motivated to do the job.

4) The thought to quit came across her mind several times throughout her career.

5) The first time when she was at a peak during her 7th year. The second time was when the original Muscats disbanded.

6) No marriage plans.

7) She will let her releases "circulate for at least for another 5 years" after she retire.

8) She was still be listed with her agency after retirement.

9) She want to dedicate her energy to the production of various works that are outside of adult entertainment.

10) There is plan for one last nude photo book ( from crowdfunding ?)

 

[Lim3lighT]

I never head about her neither. She doesn't have a lot of movies and seems to be a freelancer. So, she starts from the bottom. If she sells well, she will earn more. It's the same for every industry. Plus in JAV, there are so much girls that studios have a lot of choices. If they want to spend less money on a movie, they will hire a low rank actress.

Started her career with Prestige on the Absolutely Perfect (ABP) label then got dropped after 12 months and went to PGD before going freelance. Because she had releases right after she got dropped we can presume she didn't quit and was dropped by Prestige. This in turn means we can infer she wasn't a top seller, otherwise she wouldn't have been dropped, then went freelance after that.

So yeah, pretty much confirms to me that if you aren't a contracted actress to a top studio, or a top freelance girl like, say, AIKA or Abe Mikako or something like that, you probably get paid peanuts. I was looking at a couple AV agencies though and their recruitment pages all say that you get paid more for freelance work. Of course the listed salaries don't matter; there's a huge range to them and I believe someone posted in the original gossip thread that a lot of those are inflated to entice girls to join, but I don't think there would be a reason to lie about that specific bit, that you CAN get paid more for a freelance title than a contract job. But as I said, that's probably for freelance movies where you're solo casted as the star, and then the pay there will vary again based on your popularity.

Like others have said, it's not surprising to me that AV salaries are very top heavy, the same is true in most other entertainment industries as well.

 

[jwlim80]

https://twitter.com/riku_minato/status/1045586472533864448

"So I heard people going "Riku Minato's a old hag now". Well, since quitting being an AV girl, there's no chance for me to give BJ and tighten my cheek.
Now you know how amazing a dick can be !"

 

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http://www.tokyokinky.com/top-japanese-porn-star-akiho-yoshizawa-announces-retirement/
https://www.tokyoreporter.com/enter...awa-to-retire-from-porn-after-15-year-career/
So Acky is retiring in march, that's the end of an era, the last 100% "Star" Vanilla girl still shocked she's only 34

Not too long ago, someone was saying he wished Yui Hatano (age 30, porn age 10) would retire now. And then it was Acky (age 34, porn age 15) who unexpectedly announce retirement. I was thinking yeah it's a good topic to discuss who (subjectively of course) ought to retire.

Yui Hatano, 10 years is indeed very long already. I am not her fan, meaning I almost never watch her solo vids. But she still looks hot and she's always a good member in any group sex vid. Obviously she is doing fine at the box office so if she retires, it's not a huge loss to me, but it's still a loss.

Akiho, 15 years is even longer. The way I feel about Acky is 100% identical to Hatano... except hmm maybe Acky doesn't make group sex vid nearly as often. So in a way her retirement may be meaning a very minimal loss for me. OTOH, Akcy has one all time epic classic that will stay in my head for the rest of my life: Unicycle Policewoman. I wrote a long post about it... Anyway I perfectly understand a woman losing drive and passion after 10 or 15 years (an eternity) in AV. Wish her the best. Will be curious her post-retirement career/life (IIRC, she mentioned there's no marriage in the near future)


Two more I mention, I actually wish them to retire:
Yumi Kazama 風間ゆみ (age 39, porn age 19) she is old and fat, which is not a sin. There are plenty of old and/or fat performers, but they only make grandma porn and/or fat porn which doesn't affect me, I don't know their name or face. I want Kazama to retire because (1) she was young and hot once, and I fapped to her early vids plenty, she is the only one of my fav idols who does an Fat Elvis on her fans. (2) Instead of grandma and fat porns (which I easily filtered away), she pops up all the time in series that I'm interested in (JUFD-, JUY-, CESD-). She isn't packaged as old and fat (make-up and fashion like a 45+) but as a "hottie" or MILF, even wearing a sailor suit on a recent cover. Esp on group sex vids, so many times there's a multi-idol cover that I would be very interested in but because she's in the vid I pass it up. Please go away, either retire, or at least get off my fav series and act like your age and weight.



翔田千里, I won't bother finding her English name... . She's grandma idol so I have no business knowing and complaining about her. I admit including her is entirely unfair and petty, only to inflate my list here and vent my frustration she nearly ruined a viewing experience with Yui Hatano and Mio Kimijima in Prostitution mother child family. Well curiously Yui Hatano was the name that started this discussion and Mio Kimijima is also debatable if she should retire already. Anyway the theme was interesting Yui and Mio are (still) fappable, esp. together. So I checked it out and only to be hit by the "mother" who I didn't pay attention to. OK it's my fault not researching her before getting the vid, it's my fault I got erectile dysfunction for 10 minutes but I'm blaming her and calling for her retirement. She ruined a vid with Mio and Yui, she has no business in any vid with any idol that I can name. Yes notice she was on the last cover too.

 

[jwlim80]

Anyway I perfectly understand a woman losing drive and passion after 10 or 15 years (an eternity) in AV. Wish her the best. Will be curious her post-retirement career/life (IIRC, she mentioned there's no marriage in the near future)

Based on what she said :-

Notes taken from the in depth interview with Akiho Yoshizawa published today :-

6) No marriage plans.

7) She will let her releases "circulate for at least for another 5 years" after she retire.

8) She was still be listed with her agency after retirement.

9) She want to dedicate her energy to the production of various works that are outside of adult entertainment.

It is clear that she wants to make a break from porn and into mainstream entertainment leveraging her fame.

And once she is comfortable with her place in mainstream entertainment, she will exert her 5-year-rule rights and wipe her past clean.

Or maybe this was her plan all along and she was throwing caution to the wind, seeing the current state of the AV industry and her shrinking fanbase and shrinking income with reporting saying the younger generation of AV fans finding her a has-been. She burning out is just an excuse.