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A lot harder to hide the BF when there's pics of the two of them hanging out on her bed together, when her social media account included old posts that said stuff like "it's about time I get a boyfriend again" etc. Yea they could have ignored it if she was more popular (they have done so for other idols), but like I said it's not like she was ever popular, it's better to kick her out and pretend like they strictly enforce their rules. And like I said, it's a lot easier to believe that it was compensated dating if the guy was famous/rich, but he was just some random dude. Very hard to believe that a random guy off the street would be able to pay for sex with an idol.

I'm not arguing she was innocent either lol. The thing to remember is that she didn't turn to AV immediately, and apparently she was paid so much money to do so that she's now pretty rich (on a tv show talked about having enough money that she lives in a really nice district of Tokyo)

There was supposedly a leaked video. I haven't searched enough to find it but I did find a comparison pic where some dude went through and proved that the "Shoko" in the video was wearing a dress Shoko had worn before, same phone case, same bag, and the girl looked quite similar.
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This shoko one is conclusive imho. she was doing compensated dating.
 
OK, I don't see why agencies should be complaining about not being paid for compilation vids. The actress is getting paid (with agency getting their MASSIVE cut) for their time on set resulting in filmed footage. If the studio wishes to rehash it again and again in future compilation/best releases, then that's that. Agency shouldn't get a cut as they already were paid their share during the initial filming.
 
OK, I don't see why agencies should be complaining about not being paid for compilation vids. The actress is getting paid (with agency getting their MASSIVE cut) for their time on set resulting in filmed footage. If the studio wishes to rehash it again and again in future compilation/best releases, then that's that. Agency shouldn't get a cut as they already were paid their share during the initial filming.
Speaking as myself...

In such kind of business negotiation, there's no right and wrong. It's just each sides trying to get a bigger share of the pie. If the agencies feel that whatever profit sharing schemes that worked in the past is no longer acceptable, they might try to negotiate a better deal. Or just walk away from the deal. What is fair is only decided by what deal can be made acceptable for both sides.

It's also very possible that the original writer was slightly (perhaps unconsciously) biased towards the agency. His job (or his business) is to organize events (promo) so he's working with agents and managers all the time, and he's hearing their side of the story all the time.

Given that background, I think he's generally fair in his writing. He doesn't automatically takes the agencies' side of the story. Basically he write what he knows and sees and hears, and there's a certain bias embedded in his position, but he doesn't hide it. One major bias is that he never talk about the distributors, I guess because he doesn't deal with them in his job. If you read him (and my translation) for a few months, you learn to appreciate the subtle angles that different sides take.

The main story isn't that studios are bad and agencies are fighting back. The story is that there is a shift in the industry and of course it will take time to shake things out, how it will end up no one can know now. The fight over compilation vids may be a major war or it could fade into nothing. It seems to be evolving now and we will just have to wait and see.
 
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Definitely agree. Personally I'm down for actresses getting paid more, since everything we hear about is how they really don't get paid a ton unless they're top tier (which also explains why so many of them join idol groups, sell worn underwear, work at hostess clubs/soaplands etc), but it's not really a moral argument but a business one.
 
May 25 2017: Kaname Ootori 凰かなめ: Why hide it? I have a boyfriend

What's plaguing managers nowadays? Some insiders say that young girls are harder and harder to manage. [compared to past generations of idols] young people have their own ideas and tend to ignore manager's advice. We have reported on some willful young idols causing managers lots of headaches.

Kaname Ootori debuted in September last year, but even before that she launched her own Youtube channel, and now many AV idols have followed suit. But then at the DMM Adult Awards, her appearance was less than stellar, and even displayed an overtly impatient look at the ceremony. [well, come on, we all know AV award show is a mind-numbing bore] A 6-months new debutante should know she should put up [a pretension of] respect and enthusiasm.

Then yesterday, on Twitter she dropped the next bomb: "I have a boyfriend." Instantly the online world is a-boil. Yes yes, insiders know that it's not uncommon that an AV idol has a BF or husband. [and of course many older-looking idols are packaged as MILF, regardless of their real world status, but otherwise no one actually talk about it] but Kaname's AV persona is that of an "idol", so a BF is practically taboo. Having a BF is one thing, but to talk about it openly, that drives the manager up the wall. Well that fact doesn't seem to concern Kaname.

"Normally it's an unspeakable subject, but I can't find any reason to hide it, so I said it. " She wrote on Twitter.

Then, some fans went nuts. [Japanese have a reputation of politeness, internationally, BUT] Japanese also can take sour insult to an art form [especially online]. Some fan dug out an earlier conversation [interview?] she said, "Don't have a BF, and not very interested in guys" now you said the opposite just after a month. "Are you fucking around [with us fans]? Why don't you be a human toilet instead?" One fan whined. Another fan found recent photos of her and criticize her deteriorating figure [meaning she got fat? or surgical fail?]. Yet another suggest she "should forget the BF and go become someone's blow-up sex doll instead."

Based on her popularity and sales, I guess Prestige [studio] and T-Powers [agency] can not afford to ruffle her feathers and at least for now, let her do as she pleases. Obviously such kind of talks is causing headaches to industry entities. Let's hope that she doesn't get into another berserker episode.

[personal comment: this highlights a (perhaps) epochal conflict between the old ways (everyone pretends that the persona is absolute 100% real) and the new ways (the persona is a commercial construct, the performer of that persona is allowed to have a different private life). To the rest of the world, Justin Bieber romantic relation might cause mass hysteria among the 9-13 age (female) group but grown-up men? A woman who's claim to rich and famous is sucking and fucking many many strangers, and she aren't supposed to have a BF?? Unless 12 years old boys is powerful influencer in the AV fandom??? ]
 
Honestly, it's nice to see the stars being open and frank.
And many of the japanese fans is living in a sort of fantasy world, but that is no reason to insult her like that.

Heck, I would love more of the private love life of some of my favorit av stars like have they dated fellow stars, male actors or directors.
 
I agree. If she wants to talk about it, she should be able to do it. What do JAV fans think ? It's not because they buy her movies that she's their slave. It's like AKB wota (hardcore fans) and the same in Korea with Kpop groups. People are just jealous because they will never have the chance to date their favourite idol or someone as beautiful.

I think it's more about rules
For example there's a lot of celebs that don't have any restriction for having relationship and thay can freely talk and show their relationship but those who have that restriction are expected to follow that rules

If it's about freedom then anyone are free to choose where or with who they're going to work
When you have decided where you want to work then you have to follow their rules
It's the same for all of us
 
I heard that in AKB, it's not an official rule but girls used to follow it. For kpop, I don't know if it's included in their contract. If it is, yes you must respect it and move to something else if you want to have a private life.
AKB is kind of in this weird grey area where it's not stated in the official rules but it has been so ingrained in idol culture it may as well be a rule anyway. The problem is that management selectively enforces the rules, mostly based on popularity- if the girl is popular (see Kashiwagi Yuki, who had a couple scandals), they'll ignored it and pretend it didn't happen, but if the girl is less popular, she may be forced out (or will "graduate" shortly thereafter, supposedly by their own choice but I have doubts- see Owada Nana and Nishino Miki, who after being caught with Johnny's boys both "graduated" a couple months later within short periods of each other).

For kpop it is included in their contracts a lot of the time though it varies by agency; some agencies don't have it enforced but strongly discourage dating by telling stars that they'll likely become less popular if they start dating (which is true). Though in general kpop is laxer about dating than they used to be.
 
No, I quite disagree it's about rules (or contract terms). Rules and contracts only codify industry practice. You can say Miss Mikami violated contract or rule or even informal expectation and therefore can be "graduated" out. That only explain the code or the mechanics of the industry, it doesn't say anything if the industry practice is fair or not.

If you say, well that's how it is, any girl is free to not join the industry and/or quit at any time. The problem is, if a lot of talents (defined as a potential star, potential success) feel industry practice is unacceptable to them, then it's the industry's and fandom's loss.

I think there are two root factors, (1) industry practice may be anachronistic, out of step with social norms, if young generation of Japanese feel a job is just a job and certain industry sector still stuck to the old ways of expecting employees to give up their individuality for a career, and young people can find other career choice (say Youtube channel), then that industry will lose out. (2) if the fandom holds unreasonable expectation to their idols, and insult idols for, basically, nothing; then the blame needs to go to the fans. Sorry I don't believe the customer is always right. If the fandom is a virgin herbivore loser in real life, but hiding behind an online avatar, behave like a bully, then someone need to give them a spanking, figuratively speaking. The madness is that a large part of the fandom is also very cynical about it and whine that most of it is fake, industry constructs. And these cynical fans overlap with the stuck-up fans who demand that their idols adhere to the rules no matter it's fake industry constructs.

Problem with AKB/SKE etc is... their market proposition is exactly these otaku loser segment. Their branding is mediocre talents for a mediocre price point. The industry boos feel that if they went and lecture or educate the fandom, they might just "yeah, I don't want to live this loser fantasy life anymore, I should stop spending all my (mom's) money on cheap kitsch like AKB".

So it's up to reality to catch up and bite these closet bully in the ass. One day they will wake up and see that many AKB "graduate" into AV, soapland and delivery health. There is nothing wholesome (a key branding value for AKB) about them!
People are just jealous because they will never have the chance to date their favourite idol or someone as beautiful.
See above... Also this is only tolerable for 12 years olds.

The proper altitude is for a boy fan to improve himself, get rich, get famous, make himself handsome (plastic surgery included), lose weight or gain muscle or get smart, do whatever it takes to be worthy for a boy friend of an idol. Reality is that not only are these fans completely unqualitied for a BF for a reasonably attractive girl, they are completely unqualitied to deal with the issues or pressure to be BF to a famous person.

So it's much much more (worse) than 12 year old boyish emotional issue, it's not just "Shoko got a BF, and I'm sad because I'm not him". It's "I can't get a GF, my life sucks so I can't accept my idol to enjoy a happy life."

My own personal position is, due to the glamour (mainstream idols) and/or easy money (AV) it's inevitable that some dark practice are present in the industry(s). Some people are gullible or tempted by it and that opens them to exploitation. Unfortunately that's human nature and authority should control it, but it's hopeless to stamp it out completely. I think we should be both fair minded (criticize bad practice) and realistic (understand everyone has some responsibility). Ultimately I want the industry (the one I actually care about is AV, I'm not into J-pop and K-pop) to be attractive and not too exploitative so that any hot girl, in some need of money, can choose to do a short stint (a few vids) or a career (2+ years). We fans should have a balance between our masturbatory needs and AV idol's personal dignity (even if their persona is to be tied up, humiliated, gang r***ing and bukkaked).
 
Well said for the most part, ding, but what the heck is this???

The proper altitude is for a boy fan to improve himself, get rich, get famous, make himself handsome (plastic surgery included), lose weight or gain muscle or get smart, do whatever it takes to be worthy for a boy friend of an idol. Reality is that not only are these fans completely unqualitied for a BF for a reasonably attractive girl, they are completely unqualitied to deal with the issues or pressure to be BF to a famous person.

You're making a lot of assumptions there, and I won't deny, you are definitely right when it comes to a portion of the fans, but I highly doubt that every male fan is like what you think they might be. Anyway, undergoing plastic surgery just so that an idol that you like might find you attractive? How do you know that she'd find you handsome after the surgery anyway? And hey, I'd be a hypocrite to say that being handsome doesn't help, but for girls what really matters is body language - the kind that exudes confidence. And not everybody likes muscular guys. Don't work out for an idol, work out because that's who you are. And yeah, if we're talking about an AV idol I agree that there's a very good chance that she's in for the money, so being rich would have to be a requirement when it comes to those idols, but if that certain idol only did two titles I wouldn't be so sure. And famous? Right here in this thread we had news(/rumours?) of an idol dating an ordinary guy a couple of pages back. I guess I agree that those things would generally improve your chances, but they are not a necessity.
And what do you mean that those fans are unqualitied to be a BF of a reasonably attractive girl - as if that's the only quality that matters when one's looking for a girlfriend. And I'm sure there were lots of couples where one of them was famous and the other wasn't, it's not like a random person isn't able to deal with their partner being famous.

In any case, I do agree with what you guys said about this topic. It would be great if the idol-culture stopped catering to delusional people. You can be into a famous person and in touch with reality at the same time. Believe me, I've done it! :windy:

My question is - since I don't follow these idols - that isn't the innocent/chaste image part of what they sell? Part of the idol culture? Isn't putting them on a pedestal not only encouraged but a requirement? So maybe a change in that might end the whole idol-culture as we know it or, if it's really that important, sales might even drop so much that it wouldn't be possible to go on for a lot of those idol groups?
 
what "epic" rant about "hot air" (in my opinion)..well these (so called )"losers" are making a solid portion of the fanbase which apparently buys their stuff..as it is said the "customer is king" ..and i guess its the suprising "discovery of the century" that attractive female (especially in the showbiz) has therefore the attention of many admirers..but perhaps i missed something and <everbody< is here an alpha-male..(y´know "fit to be the BF of a famous person") and would make it throught the "top-selection"...
 
When you read that some crazy guys send tons of messages, presents to the idols and stab them because they didn't reply positively to them ... A minority is ready to do anything (sadly).
I agree that not everybody likes muscular guys. In my country though, there is a lot of hypocrisy, and it's even funny when some girls say "it's ugly" if you are in fact muscular rather than looking like a TV spot model. Those girls are usually not in a good shape so they prefer to criticize as it's easier than going to the gym. That's hwy I workout for ME not for someone else. If the girl like muscular guys, that's good, if she doesn't care, I have couple of charm points I think (funny, gentleman, ...).

I couldn't agree more! Although you can take building muscle too far, but I don't think that most guys work out to look like a gorilla, so...

That virtual event doesn't show up for me. All I get is a black screen that says "Invalid method name: GET /video/x3dw4pm.
 
couple things: I don't see what guys looking like has anything to do with it lmao. I agree that some delusional fans exist and it's unhealthy, but the solution is not "well all jpop fans are stereotypical fat loser virgin otaku who need to become attractive" (I know some young, fairly good looking fans, and girls as well). It also assumes that the reason everyone likes jpop is to imagine a surrogate girlfriend, there are plenty of people who are fans who are married w/kids or are in relationships. To be sure there's a subset of the fandom who take it too far and get hostile/aggressive when girls turn out to date but that's not all or even most fans by any means (if it was no girl who was previously in a scandal would be popular, and that's patently untrue, as 2 of the top 5 48G members have had past scandals- Sashihara Rino and Kashiwagi Yuki).

That being said I think the answer is somewhere in the middle; while I personally don't care if idols/av idols date or not, it is a reality that it is in some of their contracts, and if not has been made expressly clear to them that they are expected not to date, for reasons that benefit them career-wise as well as benefits the agency. I think another angle that you guys haven't considered in all this is that for some fans, it's not a question of them dating but them breaking the rules; part of the idol "fantasy" is that the girl is trying her hardest to live out her dreams and you're supporting her, so to find out that she's lying to her fans (some of which spend waaaaaaaay too much money supporting their careers) and in some sense to break the fantasy- not just of being single/available but also that she's trying her best- feels like a real breach of trust, which I can understand. There's certainly a subset of fans who have this "I don't care if they date, but I DO care if they break rules" mentality.

Also, @ding "One day they will wake up and see that many AKB "graduate" into AV, soapland and delivery health. There is nothing wholesome (a key branding value for AKB) about them!" is definitely an overstatement. While it's true some have turned to av and compensated dating exists, you forget that literally thousands of girls have been part of AKB48 Group by now, so when it's around to or less than a dozen, that doesn't constitute "many" at all.
 
Sorry to jump back in time but regarding Shoko's dating video, I found it last year and can upload it. If someone could recommend a site I can easily upload it to I'll share it. (It's only interesting as "evidence", the quality is really bad)

Regarding idols and dating, in Japanese it's called 恋愛禁止, renai kinshi, "love ban". Several AKB48 girls were fired over the years over it, one going into AV in 2014. The AKB member Yonezawa Rumi was found on twitter with pictures of her boyfriend. Her terrible solo AV was under the name Shirota Rika. (An interesting twist was that she was fired at the same time as Hirajima Natsumi for the same "crime", but Natsumi went on to a gravure career instead, and has since been welcomed back as a retired member of the family)

Smaller pop idol groups fire idols caught dating all the time, for example the group Houkago Princess has fired 2 or 3 idols after the photos were found on twitter. Really dumb girls/boyfriends uploading selfies.

I don't know much about the gravure world so don't know if they have the same "ban", I'd like to hear about that side of things.
 
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@"shoko´dating video": ...i am surely interested..as for recommended site what about rapidgator..(no annoying pop up crap and "at least" 100kb/s in free mode)
as other option..what about "unknown" youtube? lol
 
June 20, 2017: Devine milk, pretty bum! HD Great Pressure Video Anatomy Rion!

Finally Rion is preforming in the series エグい程の肉感AV (vid code SNIS-963), this is a brandname series for S1. [Rest of blurb skipped, mostly saying it's close up all sex vid]

Now you may notice the mosaic is pretty thick. This is because the recent "forced to perform" scandal is making everyone in the industry pretty skittish. […]

So, all-sex vids might be the best [or only?] suitable theme for Rion, but fans might eventually get enough of an all meat diet.

According to the DMM sales ranking for the half year, Rion only got one vid (a best-of collection) in the top 20. In the cumulative ranking [by performer, I guess], Rion was in a dismal 33rd position. Let's not even bring up the fantastic beasts Shokotash and Yuami; let's see some of the other contract girls who managed to outrank Rion: Chinami Ito 伊東ちなみ, Mana Sakura紗倉まな and Airi Suzumura 鈴村あいり.

Hope the studio is taking note and try something new with her.
 
Recently the mosaic has gotten so thick on SOD's production.
I think it's time AV fans took a stance against this form of censorship.
 
ball7: studios hate the mosaic more than you can believe. They hate it more than fans do. If fans want to take a 'stance' against it, they shouldn't complain to the studios--they already know. Rather, complain to the government.
 
ball7: studios hate the mosaic more than you can believe. They hate it more than fans do. If fans want to take a 'stance' against it, they shouldn't complain to the studios--they already know. Rather, complain to the government.
Just to elaborate on that… I'm guessing the studios hate it because of the added costs of applying the mosaic and the legal consequences should they fail to apply the mosaics correctly (even if legal action isn't taken against them, having to recall stock is expensive).

Yes, the government are the people who hold the power to change things. But I have to wonder what it would take for that to happen. It seems extremely unlikely that a politician would put forward a bill to allow uncensored works of their own accord, and I somehow can't see people taking it to the streets to protest against the current legislation.

Perhaps the best that can be hoped for is for the enforcement of the law to be reduced. Perhaps the authorities could first stop cracking down on companies hosting uncensored works abroad (e.g. Dreamroom Productions and FC2). That said, I'm not sure what sort of impetus the authorities would have for doing so, as the situation seems to have gotten worse recently. Still, if enforcement were gradually reduced and eventually halted, that would provide an excuse to remove that legislation altogether. But getting to that point would be extremely difficult (if it's even possible).
 
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