JAV women hardly represent the average, in relation to what other people said.

Enzaemon

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So I see a comment on here and a few others, people saying that Japanese women hit some genetic jackpot when it comes to breast sizes in Asia.

This is false, while many in JAV with relative large breasts are natural they only represent a tiny portion of the Japanese population. And because Korea and China don't even have a porn industry it's a stupid comparison.

Put it this way, in Japan there are around 130 million people.

From the age 19-39 there are around 16 million women in Japan.

From being in Japan it would seem of relatively young women only around 1 in 5 is attractive, the other 4 or 80% are not attractive.

So that leaves 3.2 million attractive women in a reasonable age range.
The amount of these women that have somewhat large breasts could be as low as 5% in that group. But that still leaves 160,000 women out of that group who have relatively large breasts and are attractive. The JAV industry only needs a few hundred at the most.
There are other women with large breasts also, but they fall outside the range of attractive.

The point here is that JAV is hardly the representation of the common woman, and neither is American porn.


So it's a very poor comparison to compare Japan to other Asian countries based on JAV when most other Asian countries don't even have a porn industry so no proper comparison can be made.
Comparing JAV women to the average Chinese woman you see on the street isn't fair as the JAV woman isn't even the average woman in Japan, she is in the top tier of looks.

China has a giant population, if they ever wanted to create a porn industry they could fill it with heaps of attractive women and also have a niche of large breasted women, and it wouldn't even be hard since they have 210 million women in the age range of 19-39.
So that means China has more females in that age range than Japan has people in the entire country.
The point is there are millions of attractive Chinese women you will never see that are tucked away in all parts of China being some random man's wife or just working in an office etc.





I would also like to explain something else as far as fake breasts are concerned since it seems some people on here have a very uneducated and immature view of what race is.
There is something called genetic variation, it exists in every racial group (not just your particular racial group).

Another point as far as breast size, since being overweight is rare in Asia it isn't sensible to compare Asian bra sizes to American or UK bra sizes as these countries are very overweight so you are just measuring obesity and not actual breast size.
If you wanted to do a real racial comparison you would have to choose a white country with the lowest overweight rates of any white country to compare to Asia to make it a fair comparison so you are actually measuring the breast itself.

And we can do that. Japan has a 22% overweight rate and China has a 28% overweight rate, most of east Asia is somewhat around here.

The USA BTW for comparison has an overweight rate of 74%.

So lets look for the least fat white western country, that would be Romania at 39% (it's the closest).

You will find when you go to these countries where most people are thin seeing big breasts isn't as common. The cup size even in Belarus is A cup.


The point is that naturally large breasts among white women who are not fat are hardly a common thing.

Keep in mind there are still a slightly different genetic occurrence rates though.


This next part is just my opinion, but I would say that per capita out of 1000 women chosen from each race and all women have the same body fat percentage, I know there would be some variation between the groups in breast size.
My rough guess would be something like this, for black women 200 out of the 1000 selected would naturally have medium-largish breasts.
For white women likely 120 out of 1000 would naturally have medium-largish breasts.
For east Asian women likely around 90 out of 1000 would have medium-largish breasts.




The point is that genetic variation exists though, this childish idea that everyone of another race have to all be part of some template and be the exact same height and breast size and nose type/general head shape etc is absolutely illogical. You even have a high degree of genetic variation a lot of times just between two brothers, where one can look significantly different than the other brother (this isn't just for white people, it's the same in all racial groups, lol).

Genetic variation between people outside of the family is even greater for obvious reasons. But the point that the variation even within a family can be so large should drive home the point of what genetic variation is.




The point of this all though was just that porn and even the movie and general entertainment industries do not represent at all the general population. In the USA the average person looks horrible compared to the actors, singers and pornstars, it's the same in every country. These industries choose the best looking people out of the groups of people that want to join.



As far as the racist breast thread on this section, it's a joke. It finds any JAV woman with large breasts and just says "fake confirmed" and most of the little idiots in the comments then treat it as a fact since some thread person just said in their opinion it has to be fake since they are Asian. Totally racist and nonsensical.

There are fake breasts in JAV and in American porn for both large and even relatively small breasts. Yes there are many women in US porn with breasts even smaller than medium and they are fake.

Like Dani Daniels.

Telling a fake breast is easy since the technology can't copy the true movement of a real breast since a real breast is attached evenly under the flesh and just has a layer of fat over it, so it will move in a way where it appears as a malleable soft mass that is attached to the torso. Where as a fake breast will seemingly act on it's own as a floating mass (it isn't attached) and is usually less soft also.

I have touched (rather vigorously) a few women's breast IRL, it isn't rocket science.

Sorry to bust the little racists on here but so many of the large breasted women in JAV have natural large breasts (at the same time I am not saying that none in American porn do, heaps of women in American porn with large breasts are also natural like Siri, Avy Scott, Olive Dundee, Amy Reid, Natasha Nice, etc.)

It should be noted that more in western porn actually have fake breasts than in JAV, the reason is that in western porn having relatively large breasts is expected for most of the top ones. Where as in JAV the big breast thing is just a niche and if you are a woman with normal or even small breasts it wont hold you back in JAV. In western porn the vast majority of women also can't keep any pubic hair if they want to be mainstream. Most in mainstream western porn have fake perfect teeth also, where as in JAV having teeth that aren't 100% perfect isn't an issue.


I used to follow many western pornstars and they had nice bodies, just average or smallish breasts, most of them over time got boob jobs to try to break into the mainstream of western porn. Many also had maybe not perfect teeth and then I see they have replaced their teeth since when they went mainstream they are all straight and look different. Not all with straight teeth are fake though, that isn't what I am saying. But it would seem that more than half of the ones in mainstream with straight teeth have fake teeth.


Since I listed a few western ones that are natural, I will list a few JAV ones here also.
Naomi Komaki, Hitomi Tanaka, Ai Kukuchi, Haruka Koide, Sakura Kawamine, Eiko Koike, Mami Katagiri, Airi Ayase, Mako Kinoshita, Saki Takaoka, Reiko Katoh Airi Ai, Ran Masaki, Ai Shinozaki, Nana Natsume, Ai Kozuki, Ai Kurosawa, Rei Kitajima, Ai Minami, Haruka Okumura, Ran Niyama, Ai Miyazaki, Fumie Hosokawa, Anna Ohura, Rin Aoki, Rio Hamazaki, Yukie Maioka.

That is only a fraction of them, all up at any one time there are probably up to 250 of them in the industry of a large bust and are natural (all are not automatically popular though).



I look at western porn still, I have my fav women in it. I just don't look at the gross ones like Lisa Ann etc, so many of the mainstream ones look like walking plastic surgeon test dummies.

I like western ones like Claire Adams, Silvia Saint, Adrianna Sage, Kathia Nobili, Alexis Texas. Anikka Albrite.
 
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pikuseru

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I think most people here realize that JAV actresses are the cream of the crop, not average women. Who wants to watch average women? Not us, that's why we visit Akiba-Online.

And of course that means we are all fans of JAV actresses, especially compared to western porn actresses. No one here is overly critical of the girls in JAV. You are preaching to the choir here.
 
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princeali692

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What is your litmus test for what is an attractive woman? For me many of my favorite actresses have varying body types and many actresses I watch I would say have "average" bodies. And by average I exclude unhealthy fat women. Most of the jav actresses I like would probably be considered subpar to western pornstar standards, since many of them don't have the big juicy asses, what they have in my opinion is a more normal girl next door body type. medium/small breasts, that keep themselves in relatively fit shape (at least enough to be able to fuck on camera).

I was only ever not able to jack off to 1 jav actress who had a very ugly head. Whenever I see a Japanese girl that i find unattractive it mostly has to do with the shape of their heads, not so much their bodies. Bodies arn't a big deal to me as long as they are not obese and relatively fit. The general head shape seems to me to be the biggest determining factor for me. Like if they have an ugly face. Would you say that the 4 out or 5 women that are not attractive have ugly faces?
 

darksider59

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Source on those overweight rates, please!

I found this. BMI is bullshit though. I just did a test, mine is 26. I weight 90kg for 185cm. I do bodybuilding so I'm really far from being overweight, it's muscle (even if I'm not at 10% of bodyfat now). In general, in France, compared to Japan where the inscrease stops (decreasing from 28% according to the japantimes for men), here the rate is still inscreasing and it's already at 41% for men.

The point of this all though was just that porn and even the movie and general entertainment industries do not represent at all the general population. In the USA the average person looks horrible compared to the actors, singers and pornstars, it's the same in every country.

I disagree on the second part. Very often when I find actresses without makeup pics, I'm shocked. Try to look for Mila Kunis, Eva longoria photos, you will be shocked. In JAV, many girls look like girls you can see in the streets. I'm not talking about Hitomi Tanaka or Anri Okita (I don't find her attractive anyway) but girls like Yua Mikami, Arina Hashimoto I'm sure there are tons of them. They are just girls with a bit of makeup. On youtube, I watch a lot of guitar covers and the japanese girls I watch are super cute.
 

pikuseru

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The USA is a very car dependent society. There is no question obesity is a much bigger problem there compared to other countries, especially Japan, where the cities are extremely dense and have highly developed public transport systems.

BMI is useful for comparing different populations, but not as useful for for comparing different individuals, for the reason darksider59 mentioned.

I think the most popular girls in JAV are more beautiful compared to average girls, but same usually can't be said for American porn. Honestly, I get kind of bored looking at Japanese girls all the time, but American porn isn't really an alternative. Quality of presentation is a reason for that too, as darksider59 mentioned, it's not just because of the girls. Even the average, girl-next-door type looks better in JAV. I don't think it's about makeup though.
 

val_f

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By some estimates 1 in 200 Japanese women between 19-55 has appeared in AV...still, 0.5% can hardly be called representative. :)

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    The number of AV titles produced annually, if we include online and underground videos, is said to be in the region of 35,000 titles.

    Simple arithmetic suggests 100 videos a day are being released.

    Since we see from 2,000 to 3,000 new AV girls making their debut each year, it’s said that 150,000 women have worked in the industry.

    There are some 30 million women aged 19 to 55 in Japan, so the 150,000 performers give us the rough “1 in 200” figure.

So that leaves 3.2 million attractive women in a reasonable age range.
The amount of these women that have somewhat large breasts could be as low as 5% in that group. But that still leaves 160,000 women out of that group who have relatively large breasts and are attractive. The JAV industry only needs a few hundred at the most.
There are other women with large breasts also, but they fall outside the range of attractive.

The point here is that JAV is hardly the representation of the common woman, and neither is American porn.
 

ding73ding

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Strange conversation... I kind of get the main points of the OP but also think it's kind of pointless.

I've been to Japan a few times and also met Japanese girls and women both in Japan and elsewhere. I even had a date with a few girls. I agree that Japanese (both men and women) are on average less attractive than many Asian countries. Especially noticeable gap with Koreans and Chinese, who are otherwise extremely close to Japanese in terms of genetics.

But why are we having a conversation anyway? Are we talking about AV? If so there's no issue that real Japanese are not nearly as cute (face) and hot (figure) as AV idols. 10-20 years ago, maybe, there were a Western fandom (and equivalent in Chinese communities) who had a mis-impression about beautiful Japanese (both sexes) due to JAV, J-pop, J-drama, even manga. But nowadays it's so common to see and meet face to face. No one (should) have the mis-impression about idols vs real. In case it needs spelling out, not only we have the industry filter (selecting prettier fraction of the population) we also have tons of plastic surgery, make-up and photoshop to "finish up" the performers for any commercial activity.

Some of us like to think of, say, JAV tits are natural compared to US porn stars with their silicone tits, silicone lips and toxic-looking tan. JAV idols look natural by comparison, but that's purely about Western vs. Eastern tastes, not the commonality or severity of surgical and make-up enhancement.

So how hot or not Chinese women are, and most ridiculously how China is a much bigger country and potentially offer many times more hot Chinese women is completely pointless. Chinese hotties are not making porn. That's pretty much, THAT. There are many reasons for it, primarily the legality issue but the legality is also only a reflection of deep cultural opposition to sex industry, especially the women working in sex.

If somehow people (whatever your racial and national background) are thinking or talking about picking up a Japanese or Asian for a GF, wife, or even just casual sex, (otherwise, who cares about representative real Japanese?) well that's a different barrel of worms. Whatever I think about that topic, it seems anyone who's really interested to discuss this here, must be so otaku that he's very unlikely to go and meet and talk to any Asian women.
 
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