Lack of Requests = Healthy JAV Community?

Casshern2

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I've noticed a huge dip in requests for JAV titles in the Request Threads as of the last few months or so. I take that as a good sign. That means there are few out there that want what they can't find because they can find just about everything they want, right?

Aside from the casino girls and horrible watermarks and whatnots that the community looks to be living with, it seems a good time to be a JAV lover. Any other theories as to the decline in requests?
 

Supmop

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if you said its a good sign of healthy community, yes I agree, seems people have learned to look first before they made a request threads for what already available, and more people who shares what they have

but the problem is its not good for the JAV industry, piracy became worst, much more people who not pay for videos = it would be dangerous for the longevity of the industry
 
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Casshern2

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if you said its a good sign of healthy community, yes I agree, seems people have learned to look first before they made a request threads for what already available, and more people who shares what they have

but the problem is its not good for the JAV industry, piracy became worst, much more people who not pay for videos = it would be dangerous for the longevity of the industry
Agree to your points. Sad thing is, like has been pointed out on many occasions, the JAV publishers need to get their manufacturing out of China and/or Taiwan or wherever else they have things cheaply produced. Bring it all home where they can control the flow. Otherwise, the rips triad trash will continue to flood the dark web.
 

shinjiIII

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I agree that it's getting pretty easy to find titles that you may want just from an easy search. For the good of the community (akiba and the JAV world itself), it's always good to at least give something back by buying a title or two a month.
 

Hans Kowalski

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I dunno, I always stumble upon a bunch of recent titles that I can't find shared anywhere, I just don't bother with requests because I'm a pessimist.

I usually just buy these titles instead. Well played, JAV people.
 
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Maclayter

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I have a list of desired titles that is so long I wouldn't know where to begin with requests, and my upload speed is so shit I'd feel bad that I couldn't contribute anything back.
 
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Inertia

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You may start see studios produce in Japan though I think the best is for them to literally produce discs on site or in a local factory where they can have a staff member present while discs are being made.

There's one studio in particular I work with that produces locally and although some of their stuff appears on file locker sites, it's almost always old releases. They're also smart in that if people buy the movies directly from them, they get an extra long version of each title (2.5 hour title turns into 3 hours for example).

This is an interesting article that goes into a bit more detail about the changes studios may be making in the future: https://www.mydearestdesire.com/art...nese-av-studio-in-the-21st-century-first-half
 

Inertia

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Casshern: can't say, sorry. It's an indies one that mainly makes scat titles so I don't think it'd be popular w/ most users here.

Studios that push for digital first like BBMovies.jp also seem to fare better against uploading.

I'm pretty sure most people who buy movies have no intention of sharing them. It's the people who somehow acquire them for free from the get-go who are the patient zeros.
 

Supmop

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Agree to your points. Sad thing is, like has been pointed out on many occasions, the JAV publishers need to get their manufacturing out of China and/or Taiwan or wherever else they have things cheaply produced. Bring it all home where they can control the flow. Otherwise, the rips triad trash will continue to flood the dark web.

yes, they need to solve this problem ASAP
 

ding73ding

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I saw that articles many days ago. It's interesting, but pretty skeptical of such over-simplified fix-all ideas. DMM already provide a reputable (if not necessary well loved) platform for online video distribution. And from what I read here on Akiba, DMM's DRM is still unbreakable, so that pretty much stamp out any (easy) piracy scheme off that route. But the article itself states that "Japan is still a country that’s very into physical media." That means any (major) studio abandoning DVD will hurt more from lost sales (customers who can't or won't get streaming/download from DMM) then from enhanced protection from piracy.

Moving the DVD pressing back to Japan is a similar question, on paper it sounds good, until a major player try it out, who knows how effective it would be. Let's just imagine, randomly say Moodyz move the pressing to Japan and see how it fares against S1, which stays put. Would then Moodyz vids really disappear from the torrent search engines and download sites? Or even delayed by some number of days? Would that impediment to piracy translated to increased sales? By how much? All these questions lacks definite answers. Except for this: it is definite that Moodyz will lose millions of yens in costs. Let's say each disc costs low-ball 200 Yens more, that's probably ... a million yens a month? Ten million yens a month? Let's say an average DVD gross 3000 Yens, 200 Yens extra costs means it comes back with a 7% increase in sales. Well I'm very skeptical that keeping DVD pressing out of Korea and Taiwan will really bump total sales by 7%.
 

Inertia

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ding73ding:

What's important is protecting (at least temporary) NEW releases from uploaders and I think some of the tips summed up in the article address that.

DRM by itself is a pretty silly way to prevent piracy. If someone really wants to save it and upload it, they'll just screen capture it. It certainly is more tedious than ripping, but the call of file locker affiliate programs may be too much for some to pass on. On top of that, pretty much anything DMM sells/rents digitally is already available in easy-to-rip physical media making the demand for breaking their DRM much less.

"Japan is still a country that’s very into physical media." - totally true, but the cracks are showing. Studios still push physical media, but b&m stores are nowhere near as profitable as digital. The only real plus is some serve as a meeting place for AV meet-and-greet events.

If I ran an AV studio already pushing out media the old-fashioned way, one of the first things I'd try is some A-B testing: perhaps press half the titles of one month's new releases in Japan and the rest in Taiwan/Korea and monitor new release pirate sites. See what turns up and when it turns up.

I can go on, but I'm out of time ATM.
 

ding73ding

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I'd try is some A-B testing: perhaps press half the titles of one month's new releases in Japan and the rest in Taiwan/Korea and monitor new release pirate sites. See what turns up and when it turns up.
Absolutely right, that's the scientific approach. Only your outcome measurement is wrong, well at least incomplete. Of course you could try to quantify the reduction (and/or delay) of piracy and try to correlate that reduction to the increased cost of pressing those titles in Japan. But another measure that's much easier, reliable and meaningful is sales figure and total profit. Let's say PPPD-666 is pressed in Taiwan, PPPD-667 is pressed in Japan, it's super easy to tally up the sales figure for each title and hopefully 667 sales is bumped by enough percent points to justify the reduced profit margin.

My (perhaps totally worthless) prediction is that the bump in sales will be too small to measure.

I agree that piracy hurts the studio, the industry, ultimately the idols and the people who make AV. I just disagree that stamping out or targeting piracy (e.g. suing Akiba Online and shut it down) is an effort that have positive (greater than zero) economic return.
 

supersam

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I have a list of desired titles that is so long I wouldn't know where to begin with requests, and my upload speed is so shit I'd feel bad that I couldn't contribute anything back.

Pretty much the same here!
 
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Electromog

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I think the lack of request is more because people like me have given up seeing most releases without the horrible watermarks and just download what they can get. So I'd consider it a bad sign and not a good one.

I don't do ddl, only torrents, so I don't know how it is in the ddl section, but 90% of all posts in the torrent section are by one person. That can't be healthy.
 
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Casshern2

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I agree with everything being said here. Same opinion, different vantage points, IMO. The takeaway so far is that studios, of course, would need to think of their bottom line. That is probably the driving reason for pressing outside of Japan. If it costs them less, that’s what they’ll do to maximize their profits on their efforts. Not sure if Japanese companies are run similar to American companies, where the responsibility of the Board all the way down to the guy at the retail counter is to provide value for the shareholders. Basically, the goal is for the company to make money.

Although, I make no assumption that what goes on here and everywhere (content getting out) actually has a major impact on the studios/industry. It is going strong. Just look at the sheer number of titles released every month, and more on the way with no end in sight. It isn’t suffering because of “sharing”. I will never believe that. By the same token, I do believe what occurs is that instead of making X amount of money, without file sharing the studios would make X+ amount of money. That’s just a fact.

More on topic (don’t get me wrong, guys, this is a discussion, so you can add anything you’d like to it. The more the better!) I thought another reason the requests have gone down is because much of them go unanswered. Unless there were members who would PM answered requests instead of replying to the request proper, there are so many requests that (used to) get pushed down the thread list by other requests until they were out of sight and eventually out of mind. Especially by those who would post more than a handful of requests at the same time. True, I’ve been known to tell requesters they should have a separate request for each title they want instead of just making one request for “all titles” of a performer. But, that’s the rule, isn’t it? So, eventually things get to page 2…page 3, and are forgotten.

I used to fill as many as I could (because I happened to have what was being requested) for quite a while. But, then, truth be told, @Inertia posted a reply to something I had said, and it kind of made me think. I’d have to hunt it down, can’t remember what discussion or when, but he was just straight forward in what he said, not rude, not mean, just matter of fact. You know, how he always is (you know you love him for it). And from then on my need to fill requests dwindled drastically. Not that I’m blaming him! He said what he said for impact, and it worked. Sure, I still post things now and then (I’m about to soon) but I don’t sift through the requests threads looking for something I have that I can post up. Ironically, around the time I read his words, I had a whole bunch of titles lined up to answer requests. But that didn’t happen.

My story aside, the point is, now that I think about after saying what I just said, I haven’t seen any other overt members answering requests. So, that may be another reason for the lack of requests. No one believes they will be answered. But, still, that’s where I point people when they post things like “Title X from Studio X came out months ago, why hasn’t it been posted yet!?” My answer/suggestion is always the same. If you want it, request it, don’t wait for it suddenly show up because it probably won’t. And to my amazement ( which was the seed originally of this topic ) very few took my suggestion. They’d rather not because they’re too lazy or don’t think it matters. So, they continue wanting and wondering, the happy fools.
 

Casshern2

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Pretty much the same here!
While we appreciate your sentiment about contributing as well, you shouldn't let that stop you from asking for what you'd like. If anything, I used to urge members that I answered requests for to get involved in discussions, help ID a title or Idol, anything to keep the community lively. Participate, basically. Maybe 10% ever did. If that. :(
 
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Casshern2

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I think the lack of request is more because people like me have given up seeing most releases without the horrible watermarks and just download what they can get. So I'd consider it a bad sign and not a good one.

I don't do ddl, only torrents, so I don't know how it is in the ddl section, but 90% of all posts in the torrent section are by one person. That can't be healthy.
To my point exactly, my friend! People are just living with it. I'm the opposite, can't torrent to save my life. That's horrible if there is only one source in that world around here.
 

pikuseru

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I just wait nowadays. High quality copies come out eventually. Most uploaders are actually re-uploaders so there's no point in requesting anything.

if you said its a good sign of healthy community, yes I agree, seems people have learned to look first before they made a request threads for what already available, and more people who shares what they have

but the problem is its not good for the JAV industry, piracy became worst, much more people who not pay for videos = it would be dangerous for the longevity of the industry

I don't think non-Japanese sharing JAV has much effect on the JAV industry considering R18 provides no English subtitles, no English descriptions, no user reviews or ratings like DMM. We are an afterthought, JAV is not made for anyone outside of Japan anyways. And people in Japan probably prefer to have DVD or Bluray, so it makes no difference.
 
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needs more loli

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Honestly I feel pretty bad about asking for stuff in the request section. The first time I think I requested like 4 impossible to find titles and Casshern2 fulfilled all of them. At first it was pretty great to get a bunch of unreleased titles especially since they all turned out to be amazing! But now I don't request anymore because I feel bad leaching off him haha. Yea sounds pretty dumb I guess... I'll torrent terabytes upon terabytes of JAV but when it comes to leeching off a fellow member I feel bad lol.
 
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