Disagree. Too early in the game for throwing in the towel. New technology usually requires time before acceptance. Microsoft had its VR demo debut a couple of months ago. Market will develop when standard is established.
Lack of tech improvements in JAV
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MIT Technology Review had an article by one of the key innovators of VR, he did a great analysis of what VR is good and bad for. Great insights.
@Casshern2 's vid shows that VR let you look at the empty desk and everything in the background. Oh yes wonderful, the man and woman having sex in front of the camera would be real proud that the audience wants to turn away and look at the desk instead.
If the VR let's you move your head around (not just turn your head) that might be minimally more interesting, I might want to look at extreme close-up of the fat dick (sans-mosaic please) piston-pumping the vagina, and then I might rewind and look instead at close-up of her bouncing tits. Of course that would only be possible with CG-VR, but that fail to excite me either. (remember the old multiple view-angles tech of DVD? quite a few porns came with that feature, now it's yet-another forgotten tech gimmick)
Yeah yeah one day, CG women (and men) would finally rival reality... but I'm afraid by that time my life-time supply of sperm might already be spent on real reality women.
As I said before... any tech improvement over FHD or 4K would only increase my frustration at not having real sex and only masturbating to a screen or goggle or silicone sex toy robot. My right hand is a damn fine sex toy, anything better and more elaborate than that, well I would rather have a wife/girlfriend/pickup/hooker. Please spend your R&D dollars on a cure for cancer or better yet sending people to Mars. Yes space travels give me a bigger erection.
@Casshern2 's vid shows that VR let you look at the empty desk and everything in the background. Oh yes wonderful, the man and woman having sex in front of the camera would be real proud that the audience wants to turn away and look at the desk instead.
If the VR let's you move your head around (not just turn your head) that might be minimally more interesting, I might want to look at extreme close-up of the fat dick (sans-mosaic please) piston-pumping the vagina, and then I might rewind and look instead at close-up of her bouncing tits. Of course that would only be possible with CG-VR, but that fail to excite me either. (remember the old multiple view-angles tech of DVD? quite a few porns came with that feature, now it's yet-another forgotten tech gimmick)
Yeah yeah one day, CG women (and men) would finally rival reality... but I'm afraid by that time my life-time supply of sperm might already be spent on real reality women.
As I said before... any tech improvement over FHD or 4K would only increase my frustration at not having real sex and only masturbating to a screen or goggle or silicone sex toy robot. My right hand is a damn fine sex toy, anything better and more elaborate than that, well I would rather have a wife/girlfriend/pickup/hooker. Please spend your R&D dollars on a cure for cancer or better yet sending people to Mars. Yes space travels give me a bigger erection.
Ding, do you have gear to try this? If so, thanks, I appreciate and respect your opinion. I, myself, find it fun to look at. I don’t “use” it, but I like the experience.
If you don’t have gear read on (oh, and I still appreciate and respect your opinion): Going by the screenshots or even by viewing the video on your PC is, as I said, is far from the real experience. When viewed in the headset your entire field of vision is filled when you’re looking at the center attraction. Sure you can look around, but you’re right, who would? Answer? Hopefully nobody. I don’t. I was merely giving an example of the environment, there is literally 180 degrees of surrounding 3D imagery before you. I’ll put up another example soon for those who are trying this (is there anybody out there?). This one I put up was just a test of the Oculus Gear VR video capture feature I learned was there. I figured, what better way to test than for my Akiba friends with an actual VR file. Of course, you don’t get the VR experience, just what I posted.
Imagine a 3D image viewed in 3D. Now imaging such a view as if the person is right in front of you. Looking at 3D on your screen, no matter how big it is…is still just a screen. You will see your screen, your desk or living room. You know? You can focus all you want on your screen but you can still peripherally know your surroundings are still there. VR is a spatial experience. It takes up even your peripheral vision. It makes it seem as if you’re in that space and no longer at your desk or in your room. I agree 3D never took off, even in Western content. My opinion of that is because the 3D made available didn’t look like things were coming out towards you, but rather it made the scenes look like things were going (reaching) inward, like you were looking into a space instead of being part of it. And that’s what VR does, at least for me. It makes you feel like you are part of the space you’re watching.
If you don’t have gear read on (oh, and I still appreciate and respect your opinion): Going by the screenshots or even by viewing the video on your PC is, as I said, is far from the real experience. When viewed in the headset your entire field of vision is filled when you’re looking at the center attraction. Sure you can look around, but you’re right, who would? Answer? Hopefully nobody. I don’t. I was merely giving an example of the environment, there is literally 180 degrees of surrounding 3D imagery before you. I’ll put up another example soon for those who are trying this (is there anybody out there?). This one I put up was just a test of the Oculus Gear VR video capture feature I learned was there. I figured, what better way to test than for my Akiba friends with an actual VR file. Of course, you don’t get the VR experience, just what I posted.
Imagine a 3D image viewed in 3D. Now imaging such a view as if the person is right in front of you. Looking at 3D on your screen, no matter how big it is…is still just a screen. You will see your screen, your desk or living room. You know? You can focus all you want on your screen but you can still peripherally know your surroundings are still there. VR is a spatial experience. It takes up even your peripheral vision. It makes it seem as if you’re in that space and no longer at your desk or in your room. I agree 3D never took off, even in Western content. My opinion of that is because the 3D made available didn’t look like things were coming out towards you, but rather it made the scenes look like things were going (reaching) inward, like you were looking into a space instead of being part of it. And that’s what VR does, at least for me. It makes you feel like you are part of the space you’re watching.
I definitely think VR porn will be huge. AV companies already have a sex toy out (http://www.afesta.tv/vr/vcs.php) that allows syncing the action around your dick to what's going on in the scene.
3D porn on the other hand did feel just like a gimmick. Now VR+3D...that can be interesting.
3D porn on the other hand did feel just like a gimmick. Now VR+3D...that can be interesting.
Here is sample #2. Recognize the stars?
Again, you're not watching the camera move around side to side you're watching my view as I turn my head to look at these cute girl's legs. I love em!
[URL]https://filejoker.net/zdv6yap92d9n[/URL]
Again, you're not watching the camera move around side to side you're watching my view as I turn my head to look at these cute girl's legs. I love em!
[URL]https://filejoker.net/zdv6yap92d9n[/URL]
Again... to be clear, I am not telling anyone to "throw in the towels", @Casshern2 is an early adopter, and my RL job would be hell if there are not enough early adopters in the world.
And OK I'm throwing in MY towels on VR+sex. Same as VR and Uber... you know I don't think that marriage will ever work out. Or VR and all-day breakfast, yes yes I would enjoy a VR breakfast with Marie Antoinette at Versailles, but no I won't bet that VR will revolutionize McDonalds and International House of Pancakes.
Oh... I could brainstorm other nightmare scenarios... say VR+Nike, now instead of jogging down the same old street or tread machine in an air conditioned gym, people can VR-jogging the Great Wall of China while sitting down, AWESOME. Or instead of playing crappy Friday game with co-workers or neighborhood kids you could play a VR game with Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and personally score a slamdunk over LeBron James.
About the VR sex toy @Inertia linked to... yeah I guess someone will pay a lot of money for that. Let's say one AV idol that gave me many a orgasm is Yua Mikami, and yes I can see some fans will fork money to make cum shot on her VR face. Hell for a decent price I would try it, once, for a laugh. But laugh aside, if I really need an upgrade from her vids, I'd pay the 280,000 Yens (or whatever that was advertised/rumored) for her escort service.
Tech improvement yes they are. Progress? NO.
And OK I'm throwing in MY towels on VR+sex. Same as VR and Uber... you know I don't think that marriage will ever work out. Or VR and all-day breakfast, yes yes I would enjoy a VR breakfast with Marie Antoinette at Versailles, but no I won't bet that VR will revolutionize McDonalds and International House of Pancakes.
Oh... I could brainstorm other nightmare scenarios... say VR+Nike, now instead of jogging down the same old street or tread machine in an air conditioned gym, people can VR-jogging the Great Wall of China while sitting down, AWESOME. Or instead of playing crappy Friday game with co-workers or neighborhood kids you could play a VR game with Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and personally score a slamdunk over LeBron James.
About the VR sex toy @Inertia linked to... yeah I guess someone will pay a lot of money for that. Let's say one AV idol that gave me many a orgasm is Yua Mikami, and yes I can see some fans will fork money to make cum shot on her VR face. Hell for a decent price I would try it, once, for a laugh. But laugh aside, if I really need an upgrade from her vids, I'd pay the 280,000 Yens (or whatever that was advertised/rumored) for her escort service.
Tech improvement yes they are. Progress? NO.
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I have evaluated all the main product classes in one of those flagship stores and still weighting my options. I would definitely not buy it personally, if you getting at that. But I am deciding which product, and when, for professional reasons. Likely it's one of those >US$1000 full package installation (I think my price cap is around $5000). Basically it won't have any bearing on this discussion. Since there's no way I (or anyone in my organization) will be watching porn on the VR gear. I also seriously doubt anyone will make porn for the equipment we are buying.
Anyway I didn't think this adds anything to the discussion, so I neglected to answer you in the first round.
Thanks, I just couldn't tell by any of your answers if you had tried any of the videos. I envy your RL job if you're around that kind of gear! Cheers.
Oh... I can tell you almost the exact date I saw IMAX film for the first time 36 years ago. It's practically a life-transforming experience. I do enjoy any total visual field film experience quite often.
But (1) I'm a little skeptical that VR will ever have much impact over IMAX or IMAX-like for the purpose of enjoying a film, (for gaming and simulation,yes, but to shot a film and to enjoy a film, no). (2) I'm very skeptical that total visual field (both IMAX and VR) will ever catch fire in porn. When we have sex (or imagine having sex, by watching porn) we want to tune out the background. There you go, the debate is over.
But (1) I'm a little skeptical that VR will ever have much impact over IMAX or IMAX-like for the purpose of enjoying a film, (for gaming and simulation,yes, but to shot a film and to enjoy a film, no). (2) I'm very skeptical that total visual field (both IMAX and VR) will ever catch fire in porn. When we have sex (or imagine having sex, by watching porn) we want to tune out the background. There you go, the debate is over.
I prefer catching fire (cue erotic music) with an English-speaking Maki Hojo on Star Trek holo-deck
@ding73ding, thanks, my friend.
@everyone_else, The comment(s) came up in this discussion about these VR titles not really being VR. I agree, now that I take it all in. It is a static view, even if it is 180 degrees or even the full 360 degrees. Sure you can turn and see your surrounds(*) but that’s it, you can’t move around. Heck, when I play my old Call of Duty on my old PS3, that can be considered some type of VR in the sense that my POV can move around and get behind things and go into things. It just isn’t immersive VR, I don’t feel like I’m immersed in that environment, I don’t feel like I’m there. But again, I say move around but that’s only my POV, it isn’t me walking around a gigantic empty warehouse during the game.
So, better to call these things immersive 3D, probably. It’s just a 3D presentation, not so much “VR” but it does feel immersive, because at least to me I get lost in what I’m viewing and it feels like I’m there. I like it, even if it isn’t the promised land. Is anyone (especially @Thewaytheykiss) interesting in trying any of the titles available on the site our friend @Thewaytheykiss found? I have some of those. If so respond here and I have it I’ll post it in the Other Downloads section. If I don’t have it and think I might like it I’ll get it. They are not as good as any of the aforementioned Western sites, but they are JAV and that’s why we’re here.
* There are a few Western videos I’ve found that have three and four “subjects” surrounding you, kind of doing this and that for you to see, if you know what I mean. Those are the times 180/360 degrees makes a difference. You can look all around and see nice things.
@everyone_else, The comment(s) came up in this discussion about these VR titles not really being VR. I agree, now that I take it all in. It is a static view, even if it is 180 degrees or even the full 360 degrees. Sure you can turn and see your surrounds(*) but that’s it, you can’t move around. Heck, when I play my old Call of Duty on my old PS3, that can be considered some type of VR in the sense that my POV can move around and get behind things and go into things. It just isn’t immersive VR, I don’t feel like I’m immersed in that environment, I don’t feel like I’m there. But again, I say move around but that’s only my POV, it isn’t me walking around a gigantic empty warehouse during the game.
So, better to call these things immersive 3D, probably. It’s just a 3D presentation, not so much “VR” but it does feel immersive, because at least to me I get lost in what I’m viewing and it feels like I’m there. I like it, even if it isn’t the promised land. Is anyone (especially @Thewaytheykiss) interesting in trying any of the titles available on the site our friend @Thewaytheykiss found? I have some of those. If so respond here and I have it I’ll post it in the Other Downloads section. If I don’t have it and think I might like it I’ll get it. They are not as good as any of the aforementioned Western sites, but they are JAV and that’s why we’re here.
* There are a few Western videos I’ve found that have three and four “subjects” surrounding you, kind of doing this and that for you to see, if you know what I mean. Those are the times 180/360 degrees makes a difference. You can look all around and see nice things.
My bet is that 360 video with or without stereo (3D) will be more popular and successful than the latest attempt to sell the "3D" feature to home cinema enthusiasts again. May be it already is.
I just wanted to post a link of a presentation I recently stumbled over about plans for 360 video on Steam. It's a few months old news and I'm not a very active Steam user, the interesting part for me was the viewport based technology they presented. It makes sense to improve quality this way with multiple 1080p streams or higher resolutions instead of one even bigger and very warped image. This sounds very familiar to angles on a DVD, which resulted in bad picture quality the way it was done and was also tedious to shoot and implement back then. Media production and consumption however has changed, instead of big expensive TVs (al)most (all) people today have a personal device and use it to consume shorter clips that are easier to produce and ship than a feature length movie, which you still can do — the required tools for production have been liberalized more and more. Cardboard was also a clever hack to introduce low end HMDs to the masses, handing around GearVRs/Daydreams to friends and co-workers was the next step. While we probably won't see people wearing HMDs in public trying augmented reality stuff soon most of the technology has arrived already and if I had children in school I would want that this technology is leveraged for teaching them. I already saw interesting educational content way better than the boring VHS tapes we had to watch. If these currently growing up consumers discover porn — well that's how things go.May be there is a chance these consumers will act less sexist because they were able to experience a different kind of pornography that satisfies them. It will turn out worse!
This time around porn may just not be the driving force, but it could sell well if done right.
I just wanted to post a link of a presentation I recently stumbled over about plans for 360 video on Steam. It's a few months old news and I'm not a very active Steam user, the interesting part for me was the viewport based technology they presented. It makes sense to improve quality this way with multiple 1080p streams or higher resolutions instead of one even bigger and very warped image. This sounds very familiar to angles on a DVD, which resulted in bad picture quality the way it was done and was also tedious to shoot and implement back then. Media production and consumption however has changed, instead of big expensive TVs (al)most (all) people today have a personal device and use it to consume shorter clips that are easier to produce and ship than a feature length movie, which you still can do — the required tools for production have been liberalized more and more. Cardboard was also a clever hack to introduce low end HMDs to the masses, handing around GearVRs/Daydreams to friends and co-workers was the next step. While we probably won't see people wearing HMDs in public trying augmented reality stuff soon most of the technology has arrived already and if I had children in school I would want that this technology is leveraged for teaching them. I already saw interesting educational content way better than the boring VHS tapes we had to watch. If these currently growing up consumers discover porn — well that's how things go.
This time around porn may just not be the driving force, but it could sell well if done right.
I haven't owned a TV for more than 10 years now and shutter goggles for graphics cards from around 2000 weren't very compelling. Selling me a 3D TV would have been very difficult and no one honestly tried from my point of view. I have seen a few 3D movies in cinema, which were okay and I'm glad that there are SBS BD rips that I can enjoy on my HMD when I want, but I just don't get the concept of a cinema as a consumer anymore these days. You sit there with other people for +2h with no control over playback, at worst outside the sweet spot and with people you don't like. It feels as outdated as people trying to call me via cellphone/landline or faxing documents rather than using e-mail(!) or chat. Luckily 3D TVs died and the technology matured into HMDs which opens up new possibilities.
Ha how did you dig up this old thread?
Thanks for reminding how dead wrong I was.
Your post prompted me to re-research 3D TV and guess what: 3D TV is Dead I was really itching to buy one but for the sake of family harmony I agreed to wait a couple years...
At great risk of being dead wrong again: it seems the VR hype is already cooling down, 2017 doesn't seem to be as hot as 2016. The exception being JAV. JAV-VR (or VR-JAV?) seems to be chugging along just fine. If this trend continues, pretty soon 99% of content you can get on VR will be JAV or porn.
Perhaps VR and porn is perfect for each other becasue of this one factor: it's to be done alone. If one of the problem for 3D TV is the
Thanks for reminding how dead wrong I was.
Your post prompted me to re-research 3D TV and guess what: 3D TV is Dead I was really itching to buy one but for the sake of family harmony I agreed to wait a couple years...
At great risk of being dead wrong again: it seems the VR hype is already cooling down, 2017 doesn't seem to be as hot as 2016. The exception being JAV. JAV-VR (or VR-JAV?) seems to be chugging along just fine. If this trend continues, pretty soon 99% of content you can get on VR will be JAV or porn.
Perhaps VR and porn is perfect for each other becasue of this one factor: it's to be done alone. If one of the problem for 3D TV is the
(well that's typically between family members in the living room. ) Then most people wouldn't be using their VR gear unless they are alone, "me time" right?
From purely an entertainment aspect there are plenty of non-p applications, mainly in the form of documentary-style or other types of immersive content. I have a Samsung VR and when it launches in the HMD there is always something new (and free) being displayed/offered in the app. Plus there are games and other presentations you can purchase.
this is interesting
finally I see really interesting tech improvement in JAV that I think can be fun and useful
But then... anyone who ask this kind of question isn't likely in the VC game.
VR had been a serious business in science, technology, medicine, military for years. It's doing perfectly fine, resistant to hypes and busts.
Only when Google and the techno-hipsters crowd begins promoting VR for everyone then we get the hype (and skepticism).
Thanks for your suggestion, we can have couples wearing HMD having sex and see each other as green-skin aliens. (Blue-skin if you've never heard of James T Kirk).
Vr gaming is quite huge now, but I don't think mainstream movies will be release in vr format. Pov angles have limitations and not all vr porn/av are equally good. I think there will be augmented porn/life like holograms one day too.
No, it's simply too expensive right now and there's way too little content.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
VR Headsets
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There's that budget psvr for games and cardboard to try some av. Things are going to get cheaper and less bulky like drones.