Lossy unDRM software recommendations?

[shinigamie]

I would need to see comparisons between letting be as it is and an altered tweaked version.

If its truly lossless then I guess if anyone gets annoyed by R18 videos not being able to seek in MPC-HC then I guess it doesnt hurt.

But I will always say, for lossless FHD WMV , no hassle, use WMP.

 

[lollers1]

I've never had a problem seeking through R18 drm removed files using Potplayer..

 

[dafuck]

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[genl]

My goal is to have, of course, the exact same quality as the file in the first place.

You will never have exact quality when using re-encoding software. Even at maximum quality, when you get 1.5x-2x of original filesize, quality will seem same but upon closer look you'll see the difference.

My guess is that censored videos initially have quality loss due to censorship + re-encoding procedure.

 

[lollers1]

A lossless method such as genl's is going to be superior to using any conversion software. It would certainly be far quicker as well. Since you already have to download the DRMd file anyway, it seems pointless to bother with conversion. Lossless DRM removal means you're 1:1 getting the file you paid for.

 

[SamKook]

My guess is that censored videos initially have quality loss due to censorship + re-encoding procedure.

Not any more than any other video. The censorship is done at the very first step since it's a requirement in japan and they have to re-encode from the original files anyway since they're not in a format that can be distributed to the general public so censored or not, it will get re-encoded, but the quality of the original is high enough that it won't introduce unwanted artifacts.
The problem is that the format they distribute it online in is not of high enough quality with JAV.


On another note, I tested an unDRMed file from R18 and it is possible to seek them in MPCHC, but only if you don't use microsoft codecs(which is not the default settings and also not the recommended option). There is however a 4-5sec after seeking where the video will be choppy until it can sync back with the audio properly and it's still present even after remuxing, but down to about 1 sec. Once it's synced back though, it will play as normal until you seek again and repeat the process.
I haven't had time to do a lot of testing and my codec installations are a bit of a mess, but there's doesn't seem to be a way to get rid of it completely other than use WMP(but you can get better visual quality with mpchc so you decide what is more important for you).

The problem is that since windows vista, microsoft switched to media foundation instead of directshow(which I completely forgot) so mpchc can't use the same thing as wmp, it has to use a wrapper that makes it possible to use media foundation codec with directshow, but it's apparently not quite as good.

 

[shinigamie]

YES! it's been a while that I search somethin to remove all this FUCKIN drm on my videos, and I just quickly test Tunebite and it does the job so much more better than Aimersoft DRM Media Converter. Can I ask why you convert in WMV9 (and why sometimes on WMV7)? (I used to think MP4 was the better option, but i'm lame with all convertion thing) My goal is to have, of course, the exact same quality as the file in the first place.
Thanks!

Dude, you shouldnt have wasted your time. There are people who will do lossless undrm for you for free, hell theres a blog that will do it for free, as many as you want.

Not any more than any other video. The censorship is done at the very first step since it's a requirement in japan and they have to re-encode from the original files anyway since they're not in a format that can be distributed to the general public so censored or not, it will get re-encoded, but the quality of the original is high enough that it won't introduce unwanted artifacts.
The problem is that the format they distribute it online in is not of high enough quality with JAV.


On another note, I tested an unDRMed file from R18 and it is possible to seek them in MPCHC, but only if you don't use microsoft codecs(which is not the default settings and also not the recommended option). There is however a 4-5sec after seeking where the video will be choppy until it can sync back with the audio properly and it's still present even after remuxing, but down to about 1 sec. Once it's synced back though, it will play as normal until you seek again and repeat the process.
I haven't had time to do a lot of testing and my codec installations are a bit of a mess, but there's doesn't seem to be a way to get rid of it completely other than use WMP(but you can get better visual quality with mpchc so you decide what is more important for you).

The problem is that since windows vista, microsoft switched to media foundation instead of directshow(which I completely forgot) so mpchc can't use the same thing as wmp, it has to use a wrapper that makes it possible to use media foundation codec with directshow, but it's apparently not quite as good.

You can get better "visuals", it is "possible". But lets not confuse the other members in believing it will be some change that will blow their minds once they see right in front of their monitor. This type of thing is usually meant for the type of person who just likes tweaking things?

Just sticking with WMP to play wmv especially those of DMM, R18. Is just the best hassle free, no issues, dedicated player for wmv.


Also, did you find anything different from the way R18 videos are coded or anything having to do with them as opposed to those of DMM?

 

[dafuck]

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[shinigamie]

I have all the time in the world, an + Tunebite allow to queued all movies that I want . And, so, honestly is way more easy than contact the guy, send files, waiting for the files came back
(and I don't know if the blog that you mention ask to give username and password that I use in R18, but it will be out of the question)
PS: sorry for this probably broken english

You dont have to send anything at all.

But yes, anyone who will undrm anything will ask you for that but you are able to remove any kind of sensitive data before sharing your account.

 

[dafuck]

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[genl]

Just sticking with WMP to play wmv especially those of DMM, R18. Is just the best hassle free, no issues, dedicated player for wmv.

I strongly disagree. No precise color control, no precise seek control, no codec configuration, no miltiple instances support. Not only that, but also
- to properly play latest formats you have to install 3rd party codecs (also subtitles support), meaning most of video processing may as well go outside of WMP's own decoders, when not configured properly, if you are that big fan of WMV original codecs.
- on latest Windows builds (since Vista/7, I think), WMP automatically seeks through all of your HDDs to build a so-called library, and there is no way to stop that (except closing WMP) and no option to turn this off.

Using WMP is like using IE in my opinion. You may think it's fine for certain things, but please don't advise anyone to use it as a default player for whatever format. It's always good idea to support 3rd party players anyway.

Personally, I'm using KMPlayer in portable mode, with static 3rd party codecs - this means I don't have any additional codecs or filters installed. I didn't have any problems with videos for a while now. I'm not advising KMP for everyone, but I recommend at least trying out LAV filters.

Btw, if you are still interested in finding differences between r18/dmm, I already sent you a request that might help me with this.

And, so, honestly is way more easy than contact the guy, send files, waiting for the files came back

Fyi, right now for me the process is:
- you share login-pass
- I collect data (3-10 min per video)
- I send you the archive with everything required (<1mb)
- you don't need me anymore, you run the script 1 drag-n-drop per 1 file, the decryption process is fast (<5min per file)
People who want realtime chat may ask me for irc details.

 

[shinigamie]

I strongly disagree. No precise color control, no precise seek control, no codec configuration, no miltiple instances support. Not only that, but also
- to properly play latest formats you have to install 3rd party codecs (also subtitles support), meaning most of video processing may as well go outside of WMP's own decoders, when not configured properly, if you are that big fan of WMV original codecs.
- on latest Windows builds (since Vista/7, I think), WMP automatically seeks through all of your HDDs to build a so-called library, and there is no way to stop that (except closing WMP) and no option to turn this off.

Using WMP is like using IE in my opinion. You may think it's fine for certain things, but please don't advise anyone to use it as a default player for whatever format. It's always good idea to support 3rd party players anyway.

Personally, I'm using KMPlayer in portable mode, with static 3rd party codecs - this means I don't have any additional codecs or filters installed. I didn't have any problems with videos for a while now. I'm not advising KMP for everyone, but I recommend at least trying out LAV filters.

Btw, if you are still interested in finding differences between r18/dmm, I already sent you a request that might help me with this.


Fyi, right now for me the process is:
- you share login-pass
- I collect data (3-10 min per video)
- I send you the archive with everything required (<1mb)
- you don't need me anymore, you run the script 1 drag-n-drop per 1 file, the decryption process is fast (<5min per file)
People who want realtime chat may ask me for irc details.

I dont understand why people keep nitpicking at the WMP thing. This is just for pretty much every common person who downloads losssless wmv videos and watches them.

This is for your common users, like almost every single leecher that goes here. Even people who use any other kind of player just know the basics of installing it and watching(keep in mind we are just talking about wmv not anything else). Thats it. (also, the IE analogy is a huge stretch)

If someone wants more quality they will seek it. But most of the time even if they see people talking about quality, they still wont care if you have to do this and that.


Also, I dont understand why you cant figure this out on your own? Why not just get something from DMM and then compare it to your R18 un-drms?

 

[SamKook]

You can get better "visuals", it is "possible". But lets not confuse the other members in believing it will be some change that will blow their minds once they see right in front of their monitor. This type of thing is usually meant for the type of person who just likes tweaking things?

Just sticking with WMP to play wmv especially those of DMM, R18. Is just the best hassle free, no issues, dedicated player for wmv.

If you don't currently have any problems with playing the video, then yes, the gain is minimal. Let's say WMP is 95%, you can gain 2-3% using another player and madvr with default settings and the rest tweaking things up a bit to your liking.
But if you experience tearing(part of the picture that's sometimes shifted a bit during playback), there's no way to fix it with WMP, but there is with other players.

But yes, if you're fine with how they play in it, WMP is the most hassle free solution if you're comfortable with it(I always have trouble finding how to simply play a video that's not in my library).

Also, did you find anything different from the way R18 videos are coded or anything having to do with them as opposed to those of DMM?

I haven't had time to look at them closely enough to check if I can find any difference and won't have much free time for it in the near future, but it's on my todo list.

- on latest Windows builds (since Vista/7, I think), WMP automatically seeks through all of your HDDs to build a so-called library, and there is no way to stop that (except closing WMP) and no option to turn this off.

You can since it doesn't do it on my win7 pc, but I have no idea how I disabled or never activated that.

 

[shinigamie]

If you don't currently have any problems with playing the video, then yes, the gain is minimal. Let's say WMP is 95%, you can gain 2-3% using another player and madvr with default settings and the rest tweaking things up a bit to your liking.
But if you experience tearing(part of the picture that's sometimes shifted a bit during playback), there's no way to fix it with WMP, but there is with other players.

But yes, if you're fine with how they play in it, WMP is the most hassle free solution if you're comfortable with it(I always have trouble finding how to simply play a video that's not in my library).

Yes, dead on.

But, I dont think there would be any tearing in a lossless un-drm video.

Take your time with that, its not like im dying to know. But it is rather strange.

 

[SamKook]

But, I dont think there would be any tearing in a lossless un-drm video.

It doesn't have anything to do with the source file, every single video in existence can produce those. It's a general problem with the way windows display things. Some graphic cards are more affected than other, for example, my AMD HTPC is plagued with it(which sucks since the point of the HTPC is to play videos 99% of the time) and my Nvidia main pc only has problems with it once in a while.

Madvr has a mode that makes itself display the video as if it were a game and in the process, bypassing the windows way of displaying things and others have similar options.

 

[shinigamie]

It doesn't have anything to do with the source file, every single video in existence can produce those. It's a general problem with the way windows display things. Some graphic cards are more affected than other, for example, my AMD HTPC is plagued with it(which sucks since the point of the HTPC is to play videos 99% of the time) and my Nvidia main pc only has problems with it once in a while.

Madvr has a mode that makes itself display the video as if it were a game and in the process, bypassing the windows way of displaying things and others have similar options.

Is there a a full proof way to prevent tearing then? Or is that just inevitable ?

 

[SamKook]

Like I said, there's an option(fullscreen exclusive mode) in madvr where it goes in the same mode as game do which will prevent tearing. In my experience, it's the only foolproof way. I tried other solutions, but nothing else was 100%.

Windows 8 is supposed to be better at it, but it didn't help my HTPC much.

You could also be lucky and have a graphic card that doesn't(or rarely does) create this problem or you may not notice it(but I know I do).

 

[lollers1]

I would say ONLY ever use a DRM stripping lossless method, but if you can't do this, I've found that NVIDIA's Shadowplay (needs a card that supports it) is much better than anything else I've seen. Doesn't seem to have any system resource impact, no frame dropping like I would get with audials/aimersoft. The bitrate can be cranked up quite a bit, to the point where it's arguably "near lossless". You may have to encode it after this for better sizes, I'm not sure. Either way, using Shadowplay (+ some proper x264 encoding afterward if needed) you can 100% get a better looking video than the terrible MKV versions of r18/dmm movies that are going around..

This all takes may more time and effort than just removing the DRM though.

 

[genl]

Just noticed that there are certain jav torrents containing seemingly "usual" MKV releases, except they are really big (>5GB, up to 40GB). Upon closer inspection they appear to be actually drm-free WMV files, renamed to MKV. Seems like whoever is doing those decided it's a waste of resources to re-encode them into MKV.

My usual player plays them fine, except after each manual seek the playback gets slowed down for a few seconds. In my case it can be immediately fixed by disabling LAV Splitter (switching to internal splitter) or renaming files to WMV.

For all WMV files first byte is 30h in header, for MKV it's 1Ah, can be checked in any hex viewer.

 

[genl]

Notice for anyone who is into wmv drm: most web stores that use WMDRM are announcing they are stopping their license servers somewhere near june-july. It's because Microsoft is stopping any further support for such servers and require everyone to shut them down. If I read it right, for DMM, starting from june 30, there will be no way to use WMP for acquiring any license and playing newly purchased files - they will require you to use Silverlight-based video player "DMM player". Thus, I too may be unable to provide any further help with decrypting wmv files after that date.

Article on dmm: http://www.dmm.co.jp/digital/info_end_wmp_html/=/ch_navi/
ms: http://licenseserver.windowsmedia.com/