Share FAQ

guy

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Do you have アプリ among your clusters words? Also run a DB-only trigger for the file name, let it run for a while, and then run a search. Once you find a node with the file, it will download quickly.

If you're trying to download Share plugins, also add TESTER_WORKS to your clusters list.

:constipation:Well, my problem is still the "Transmission Error"...

What files are you downloading? If they're pretty old, you might just be out of luck. You can try searching for something random, small and new (and with a lot of availability), and see if you're still having the same problem.

Have not been able to access the new search engine, http://bs.sharedb.info/, for several days.
Anyone else ?
Any news, suggestions ?

It's down for me too. You can go back to the regular www.sharedb.info site (it's not a "live" search, but it still gets updated pretty frequently). Or peruse 2ch.
 

guy

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This was a question over in a different thread, but since it's technical I'm putting it here.

One thing I don't understand is the number of dvds that are posted here as share hashes but then never seem to emerge here, or possibly elsewhere, as torrents.
I didn't understand your comment about the share hashes though. I had just assumed that as (I'm guessing here) quite a few people must d/l via share, almost inevitably somebody would transform the d/l into a torrent and post it here. Or somewhere, so that it would eventually arrive here.
I'll try to explain it as concisely as I can.

Both Share and torrents work with "swarms" of peers. With Share, when a file is first uploaded, it is split up and distributed to many peers (even if only a couple people are downloading the file) so that each peer in the swarm only stores and shares a small part of the whole file (low disk and low bandwidth cost per peer). Of course if the file becomes popular, more peers will have more fragments, just like with torrents. But the key is that it also works well with less popular files, because you still get all the benefits of having a large number of peers from that first distributed upload.

With torrents, peers are part of the swarm only if they want to download the file (eg: if they add the torrent to their client). With popular files this distinction is not important. But with less popular files, this means the swarm will be very small. Since the only peers are the ones that want to download the file in the first place, they each require more storage space; and if the swarm is small, each peer must also upload more (high disk and high bandwidth cost per peer, in small swarms). Therefore unpopular files suffer, to the point that 1 seeder and 1 leecher is merely a direct file-transfer, and if the leecher leaves while a second leecher joins, the seeder must start all over.

For torrents to be efficient like Share with unpopular files, you would need (for example) 100 peers to each download only 1% of a file and to donate a (small) amount of bandwidth to each seed their 1%. But nobody does that; it's just not how torrents work. So swarm size and torrent maintenance are inversely proportional. That's why few people are motivated to create torrents if only a couple people want the file; most uploaders stick to files they know will be popular, and use file-hosting for less popular files.

So the fundamental difference is that torrents depend highly on (average) ratio; but with Share, ratio is not important, just as long as all the pieces of a file are available, and you donate some bandwidth to the network once in a while.




As a point of reference, Share does have its problems. If no one downloads a file for a period of time, pieces of the file will begin to disappear as they are replaced with newer uploads; and just like torrents, late peers will be left with incomplete files. People on 2ch often post "reseed" requests just like people do here with torrents.

To combat this, PerfectDark (which is supposed to eventually replace Share) requires "donated" storage space (to the tune of 40GB) in addition to Share's "donated" bandwidth. As you can imagine, with 100,000 peers, the network would have a 4 petabyte (4,000,000GB) virtual hard drive to store all the files. You get the efficiency of large-swarm torrents, full "complete file" availability even for unpopular files, and a host of anonymity improvements (through more effective network obscurity).
 

jupiter999

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Apr 2, 2008
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What files are you downloading? If they're pretty old, you might just be out of luck. You can try searching for something random, small and new (and with a lot of availability), and see if you're still having the same problem.

I always search for Tada Mizuho's Videos and Photos, since nobody willing to introduce direct download links...
I'm pretty sure the items are quite new one since they are new title...
:constipation:But fails until now...
That's why I wonder if you guys always speeding using Share...
 

guy

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I decided to test the following file:
Code:
(IV) 多田瑞穂「Operation」(xvid+mp3).avi  1,059,605,328 316b42cb790daeba53c587d894563d8d3c465fda

It's relatively new, but unfortunately the file is not doing well on Share. There is only one source available, and just like you, I am consistently getting Transmission Error messages. All the other files are older than 1 month so I doubt they would be any better.

So I don't think there's anything wrong with your Share settings; the file just wasn't popular enough to last very long. Again, you should just test some other more popular files to see if you are able to get good speeds.
 

jupiter999

loves Tada Mizuho only...
Apr 2, 2008
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I decided to test the following file:
Code:
(IV) 多田瑞穂「Operation」(xvid+mp3).avi  1,059,605,328 316b42cb790daeba53c587d894563d8d3c465fda

It's relatively new, but unfortunately the file is not doing well on Share. There is only one source available, and just like you, I am consistently getting Transmission Error messages. All the other files are older than 1 month so I doubt they would be any better.

So I don't think there's anything wrong with your Share settings; the file just wasn't popular enough to last very long. Again, you should just test some other more popular files to see if you are able to get good speeds.

Code:
[DVDISO][IV] 多田瑞穂 - M16 みずほ16才 (2008.08.22) ENTO-004.ISO たまにわGJQ221P0x1 4,233,322,496 bc4aca9c157adb1d6166f577399ee1dc2d1a7c4f

Could you please help me test this, as another example?
But by the way, really appreciate your help and concern...
And another "by the way", why just Tada Mizuho's stuff could still become so "unpopular", as you suggest...?:...:
 

guy

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Will do, give me some time to see if it starts downloading.

It's not that Mizuho isn't "popular", she still has a lot of fans. The only thing is that she's not U-15 anymore, and the U-15 scene is pretty small to begin with. If she can break into mainstream she can make a comeback, but if not, there's nothing else but for her popularity to eventually fade. Sad, but that's just how it is.
 

jupiter999

loves Tada Mizuho only...
Apr 2, 2008
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Will do, give me some time to see if it starts downloading.

It's not that Mizuho isn't "popular", she still has a lot of fans. The only thing is that she's not U-15 anymore, and the U-15 scene is pretty small to begin with. If she can break into mainstream she can make a comeback, but if not, there's nothing else but for her popularity to eventually fade. Sad, but that's just how it is.

Not too understand what you mean...
Did you mean that U-15 sources is more easy to find than after U-15?
Could you please elaborate a bit on Japanese Idols' popularity, if you know?
Thanks again
 

supaman2

Member
Nov 7, 2007
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Hi guys I'm new to share and need some help. I got my share running thanks to this FAQ and I'm able to search for some files. I was trying to add some triggers but nothing appears to be downloading, like nothing even shows up on my download screen, just a blank black screen. I added some triggers and hashes from sharedb and akiba. But when I pick a file from the search and just download it shows up there. Am I missing a step after I put in the trigger/hash to get it downloaded?
 

Fuurin

Active Member
Jan 27, 2008
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Hi guys I'm new to share and need some help. I got my share running thanks to this FAQ and I'm able to search for some files. I was trying to add some triggers but nothing appears to be downloading, like nothing even shows up on my download screen, just a blank black screen. I added some triggers and hashes from sharedb and akiba. But when I pick a file from the search and just download it shows up there. Am I missing a step after I put in the trigger/hash to get it downloaded?
Some triggers don't seem to take for some reason. I tend to alternate between running a db-only trigger and then a search for the same title until I get the file. Other times, it's just because Share is still searching the nodes with which you share cluster terms. It can take a while.
 

Fuurin

Active Member
Jan 27, 2008
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Not too understand what you mean... Did you mean that U-15 sources is more easy to find than after U-15? Could you please elaborate a bit on Japanese Idols' popularity, if you know? Thanks again
I think he means the number of people who collect U15 idols is very small in the first place, so you are going to have trouble finding all but the most popular idols.
 

guy

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An update: I haven't been able to find the file using this trigger:
Code:
[DVDISO][IV] 多田瑞穂 - M16 みずほ16才 (2008.08.22) ENTO-004.ISO たまにわGJQ221P0x1 4,233,322,496 bc4aca9c157adb1d6166f577399ee1dc2d1a7c4f

And as a segue to trigger-troubleshooting, one trick is to create two separate triggers.
- One using the filename (eg: 多田瑞穂 - M16 みずほ16才 (2008.08.22) ENTO-004.ISO) because sometimes the hash gets cut off or is wrong
- One using the hash (eg: bc4aca9c157adb1d6166f577399ee1dc2d1a7c4f) because sometimes users rename their files even though it's the same file
 

jupiter999

loves Tada Mizuho only...
Apr 2, 2008
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I think he means the number of people who collect U15 idols is very small in the first place, so you are going to have trouble finding all but most popular idols.

orz


:...:
I thought there would be many person out there who collect U15...
 

jupiter999

loves Tada Mizuho only...
Apr 2, 2008
495
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An update: I haven't been able to find the file using this trigger:
Code:
[DVDISO][IV] 多田瑞穂 - M16 みずほ16才 (2008.08.22) ENTO-004.ISO たまにわGJQ221P0x1 4,233,322,496 bc4aca9c157adb1d6166f577399ee1dc2d1a7c4f

And as a segue to trigger-troubleshooting, one trick is to create two separate triggers.
- One using the filename (eg: 多田瑞穂 - M16 みずほ16才 (2008.08.22) ENTO-004.ISO) because sometimes the hash gets cut off or is wrong
- One using the hash (eg: bc4aca9c157adb1d6166f577399ee1dc2d1a7c4f) because sometimes users rename their files even though it's the same file

Oh no...
I actually copy them from http://bs.sharedb.info/
Seems like they are not to be trusted at all...
 

guy

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orz


:...:
I thought there would be many person out there who collect U15...

There are a lot of people who collect U15, but there are so many more people who download music and tv shows (obviously because it's much more mainstream), and of course good old porn.
 

jupiter999

loves Tada Mizuho only...
Apr 2, 2008
495
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There are a lot of people who collect U15, but there are so many more people who download music and tv shows (obviously because it's much more mainstream), and of course good old porn.

You are quite right...
I think I just need some persistence and luck to hunt Tada Mizuho's stuff here from time to time...
Hope Share will help someday...:snooze:
 
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roybern

Guest
Another Search Possibility

Since http://bs.sharedb.info/ has been down (and out ?) there is also
http://keydb.jpn.ch/
(Chinese site in Japanese ?) Wrong !!
which seems to have well updated and nicely formatted information.
OF COURSE, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT .ch IS ACTUALLY THE COUNTRY DOMAIN FOR SWITZERLAND - viz. their country's international tag plates.
So, maybe, a Swiss (??) site in Japanese ???
Pending further correction ....
 

guy

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.cn is China
.ch is Switzerland

The site appears to just be the old keydb.info site (which was taken down) rehosted on a new domain.
 

jupiter999

loves Tada Mizuho only...
Apr 2, 2008
495
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Since http://bs.sharedb.info/ has been down (and out ?) there is also
http://keydb.jpn.ch/
(Chinese site in Japanese ?) Wrong !!
which seems to have well updated and nicely formatted information.
OF COURSE, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT .ch IS ACTUALLY THE COUNTRY DOMAIN FOR SWITZERLAND - viz. their country's international tag plates.
So, maybe, a Swiss (??) site in Japanese ???
Pending further correction ....

I'm trying out http://keydb.jpn.ch/...
I wonder if they are showing the same result or not...:battered: