Stumped by Sougouwiki

[jugulear]

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Sougouwiki is one of our best references to check out cast listings and the like, but I ran into a curve.

When you search for a title, you usually get a listing like this:



Normally, you get the columns for DVD code, cover image, movie title -- and the section that's often most pertinent, the names of the actresses, and their links... as you may see from NHDTA-684.

But sometimes you get another link for the actresses, as you may see from NHDTA-685; that link is for "Another page."

When we click on the link for "Another page," you usually get a listing for the other titles in the series for that film, and the actresses are listed in the normal fashion, as with NHDTA-684's example.


So today I was curious about SDMU-226, and I got the "Another page."



I opens up the "Another page," I does, and then I get this:




In fact, the whole page has these oddball columns and rows.


When I translated the chart, I got (in rough form) this:

TITLE - NAME - ACTRESS - NOTE

Accounting department joined the third year Ayano Nao
Accounting department joined the first year Kinoshita Manami Kinohana amyl
Affairs Personnel Department joined fourth year Akane Yoneda
Affairs Human Resources Department joined the first year Yamazaki Maki
Production management section joining the second year Uehara Kanako Momohara Akane
Production management section joining the second year future Koyama
Sales Strategy Department joined the second year Nekozawa Rina Nekota land
Sales Strategy Department joined three years Narumi orchid Natsuki Ran

That strange behind-the-scenes information (such as "Accounting department") confused me, and I wanted to see what you made of it.

Most importantly, I wanted to make sure that the names under the "ACTRESS" heading, which (in this case) were:

Amiru Konohana
Akane Momohara
Riku Nekota
Ran Natsuki

Are reliably the cast members for the movie. Of course they are, but I just wanted to make sure, because the beginning information threw me.


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[EroMura777]

My two cents is that, being fake "employees" as stated in other threads, the actresses "hold" those titles in this movie. My guess is, for example if it was a movie about teachers, "title" would be "teacher", if it was with female doctors and nurses titles would be "doctor" or "nurse".

 

[jugulear]

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Son of a gun. If it's one of those "employee" movies, of course it makes sense that the names/positions would reflect those from the movie.

Reason why I went astray is that the reason why I investigated this movie had to do with my intrigue over the way Member Weppin described the movie over here. Thing is, it was a "massage of a couple" movie, and not one of them "employee" movies -- that is, SDMU-229, and not SDMU-226. (What, you're blaming me now, for screwing up the DVD code? Must I remind you that 6 is an upside-down 9?)

Thanks, EroMura777. Obviously, your two cents is worth a lot more than two cents, even adjusted for inflation.

This episode raises an interesting question. In normal movies, the character names are always listed beside the performers' names, but the practice is rarely heard of in porn. (Back in the "Golden age of Porn," where much of 1970s U.S. porn followed a real movie structure, character name listings were prevalent.) Listing JAV character names is not to be expected, so it's nice the Sougouwiki contributors paid this uncommon heed to character names. It would actually be grand if this were done more often.


EDIT:

Sougouwiki also has a comments section, in case you didn't know. (I sure did not.)


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[jugulear]

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Unlike in the past, when I am now throwing in certain DVD codes (that I know from experience were listed) into Sougouwiki's search function, I am getting no results.

An example is ones with the prefix "NHDTA." Today, I tried with a "DANDY."

Maybe this is a temporary glitch, and Sougouwiki will straighten itself out again in the future.

A "backdoor" method to see if they carry a movie which does not come up in a search is to go through an actress' listings (assuming you know of an actress who has appeared in the movie you are searching for, and assuming the actress has been listed).

Often we may get actress' pages that are very long, and matching the cover of the movie you are interested in with the millions of covers that come up can be a real job. One way around that is to "View Page Source" (or equivalent; you get that from the menu which appears after you right-click anywhere on the browser's page), and then conduct a search on that page with the DVD code. Once you find the lettering (for the movie title, let's say) that accompanies it, then you go back to the normal page, and search with the Japanese lettering. You can then get to the movie you are looking for. I am sure I'm not the only one who dislikes doing that, 'cause it's time-consuming.

So here is what happens when you put in a search and get no results:



I never noticed this part above the search bar before:



The three categories you may select translates to 1) (The default) "Full text," 2) "Page name," and 3) "Tag."

When I selected the second one ("Page name") and searched for the DVD code you read above, I got nothing.

The third one ("Tag") opened up a big page. When I tried searching with a few other examples with "Tag" selected, the same page kept opening up. (So it seems whatever you put in there, the same page will pop up.)

This was the only way I could get to Sougouwiki's "DANDY" section. See, near the top of the page that says "dandy"?


(This frame grab is from the page after it was translated into English.)


That was easy enough because "Dandy" is in English, but what do you do with a company name that is not as straightforward? I tried translating the page into English (if you have Google Chrome, you can do this with ease; just right-click anywhere on the page to access the menu, and choose "Translate to English"), and then you can get the idea of some of the company names that previously were in Japanese, along with a thousand different tags.

There was a movie I was trying to investigate, and I searched with its company's name, which happened to be "YeLLOW." The only thing that came up was "Yellowmoon," a different company. So the "Tag" search is not always going to produce the results we are hoping to get.

(By the way, the "Tag" results are cock-eyed. I just noticed the same results keep getting repeated. For example, notice two big, eye-catching ones, "Lolita (916)" and the nearby "Busty (1353)." If you scroll down the page, you will see these two, as well as everything else, keep getting repeated.)

Others who are Sougouwiki-savvy are invited to pitch in with their thoughts, to make our searches less troublesome.



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[Electromog]

Maybe it was a temporary issue, but if I search for DANDY-123 now I get the expected result, a link to the dandy-001 to dandy-200 page.

 

[jugulear]

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What a relief... after writing my post, there were Sougouwiki pages I wanted to access, and after getting no results, I could not figure out a backdoor way of getting in. Sougouwiki sure has become indispensable, but I didn't realize by how much until it became largely out-of-reach.

Not completely cured, alas. I got the NHDTA pages when I tried with a higher number, but when I first tried with the lower-numbered "NHDTA-058" (which has its own page), I ran into the same brick wall:




Another thing we may thank goodness for is that we have the stalwart Electromog to look into things like this. When this issue was bypassed for about a day, I thought one of the reasons could have been that most Akiba-Online members don't use this invaluable resource. (Another reason could'a been, of course, that they just didn't care.)

EDIT:

Electromog's explanation below made sense, until I ran a search for AP-353; it didn't come up, and when I checked out the entry via the "AP" page, I noticed actresses were credited. (At least most searches are now working.)



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[Electromog]

Maybe because none of the actresses of NHDTA-058 are known? If I search for NHDTA-056 for instance, which does have known actresses the search works just fine. It gives both the links to the known actresses and the link to the NHDTA-001 to 200 page.