The Ultimate Loli Thread
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You guys are making it seem like there is some kind of loli purity test based on what you personally find attractive.
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It's a genre, and if something is filmed as loli then it isn't really debatable. Kawaii has stopped doing them recently, but they are the ones that debuted Nagomi, Sakai Miyu and others in the thread.
Sora Shiina on the other hand works almost exclusively outside of the genre, and yet she is included in this thread.
BTW I guess Kawaii had 2 loli videos this month, still downloading the other.
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It's a genre, and if something is filmed as loli then it isn't really debatable. Kawaii has stopped doing them recently, but they are the ones that debuted Nagomi, Sakai Miyu and others in the thread.
Sora Shiina on the other hand works almost exclusively outside of the genre, and yet she is included in this thread.
BTW I guess Kawaii had 2 loli videos this month, still downloading the other.
I've seen Morino Kotori's name while I was browsing javpop but I didn't see a trailer yet. She's has a cute smile and a great body. I didn't expect a song in her first movie trailer lol.
Needs more loli talked about MIRD-167, and I have to said that not only this movie seems great because there is Yukari, but there is Shizuku Kotohane, one loli I found this week.
I'm quiet in a loli fever those past days. I have grown interest for Ichigo Aoi and I downloaded MIGD-677. A really good non conventional anal movie (2 girls with one lucky guy). And last, but not the least, Suzu Ichinose, who seems to be retired but it would be a shame to skip her movies (Need to finish watching Ichigo Aoi anal movie and one title of Shizuku Kotohane before watching one movie of her).
Needs more loli talked about MIRD-167, and I have to said that not only this movie seems great because there is Yukari, but there is Shizuku Kotohane, one loli I found this week.
I'm quiet in a loli fever those past days. I have grown interest for Ichigo Aoi and I downloaded MIGD-677. A really good non conventional anal movie (2 girls with one lucky guy). And last, but not the least, Suzu Ichinose, who seems to be retired but it would be a shame to skip her movies (Need to finish watching Ichigo Aoi anal movie and one title of Shizuku Kotohane before watching one movie of her).
I've gotten chance to watch the video and I think she does pass for a loli, maybe just barely.
But I dont think accepting something as loli based on what it says on the label is a good way to approach it. I've seen far too many videos labeled "cum" that have barely any cum play. Or movies labeled "big dick" only to see the male actors severely lacking. Likewise, videos that say "loli" in the title or tag that have actresses who look too grown or mature.
Actually using personal preference to try and skew the thread is exactly what I hate. I've noticed in a lot of the other threads people blatantly ignoring the topic and spamming a list of their favorite actresses, then coming up with farfetched reasoning as to why its just to include them.
Which is why I think it's important to have a definition that is measurable and quantifiable; unfortunately simply defining loli as "little girl" or "young girl" is subject to some personal preference. I've found that height is the easiest way to set a limit, albeit a soft limit, on what qualifies as loli. As height diverges above from this soft limit one should become more mindful of the fact that the actress might be falling into the shoujo "young woman" category instead; it's in this range that you have to start considering things like body proportions (arm, leg, and torso length, breast and hip size, hand and feet size), hairstyle, shaved, the youthfulness of their face and skin, and marketing, etc.
Which is also why I'm curious: which <140cm girls are not loli to you?
Anyway, to make things simpler (or maybe not) when in doubt just ask yourself this: does the girl look more like a young girl or a young woman?
I haven't seen KAWD-741 yet but based on the cover she most certainly looks like a young woman to me. That's not that to say she is not pretty or anything like that it's just that she doesn't give me the same feeling that a loli would. Feel free to discuss them, I think most people who like lolis are also into the shoujo type as well given that the two categories are adjacent to each other and in many cases overlapping.
Edit: to clarify: the soft limit also works in the other direction as well. The best example I can think of right now is Mio Ooshima. Although she is 148cm and even had a MUM video for some reason she doesn't strike me with that loli vibe. It might be her face or the fact she is not really marketed as loli, just look at the covers for her videos (yes, I'm cherry picking but still..):
However, at times her loli-ness shines through, especially when her height comes into play:
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Welcome to the dark side aka the loli side lol (terrible pun). Maybe check out Marie Konishi as well, IMO she fits into the same category as Ichigo Aoi and Suzu Ichinose: not incredibly cute or pretty but amazing in terms of performance.
Thats unfortunate, this looks great especially for a train molester type video which are often terrible.Wtf happened to MIAD-944? It dissappeared from everywhere, dmm, moody'z site..
The image is still there, but there is no listing, shame because it looks like a great movie.
Studios sometimes use misleading labels, but it is a far more objective standard than arbitrary judging the proportions of certain girls, like "long torso". Miko Hanyu may be an actress that does mostly loli now, but her debut for Prestige is not a loli JAV. Her makeup, clothing etc. the style it was shot in was not loli, and Prestige didn't market it as such. Perhaps she didn't want to become a loli star just because she is short, I don't know. It wasn't until later that she did loli videos.
Your example isn't very good either. A bad "cum" movie that features almost no cum is still a cum movie. It is just a bad example of one, you have a spectrum of quality and that is worthy of discussion. Just like some comedy movies are not funny. Or some dramas may be unintentionally funny, so if we we're discussing comedies we could discuss them. The marketed genre of a film however makes it if nothing else, at least that.
It's literally the opposite of applying personal preference, as I am not the one who labeled it loli. Kawaii did, and they rarely label a video loli that is not loli. All of the other girls from Kawaii sold under loli are listed in your thread.
As for which mini actresses I was talking about...
There is a reason that they are usually marketed under mini rather than loli. I don't want to overly insult anyone's taste. But quite a few of them look like dwarves in their mid-thirties rather than "lolis". They are stocky with short legs, extremely wide hips for their size, rough faces, and broad dwarvish shoulders. I don't find dwarves to be attractive, I like Warwick Davis just not in that way. But that's just my opinion though, and I'm not going to say someone else can't consider them loli especially because they sometimes are marketed that way.
Also if someone says Tsubomi is a loli, Natsume Ari, or even Uehara Ai I'd say sure whatever they've sold loli JAV before. The difference I guess for me is that just because an actress does a loli film doesn't in my opinion make them "always loli". I don't think of Sora Shiina as a loli anymore.
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It sounds like you are saying the same things I'm saying... more or less...
I agree about Miko, as you said: just because Prestige did not market her a loli doesn't change the fact that she is a loli.
But the part you are missing is this: just because Kawaii does market a girl as loli doesn't change the fact that she isn't a loli or automatically make her a loli.
oh wait you edited your post and added that part about Sora Shiina. ok now i'm confused lol
I agree about Miko, as you said: just because Prestige did not market her a loli doesn't change the fact that she is a loli.
But the part you are missing is this: just because Kawaii does market a girl as loli doesn't change the fact that she isn't a loli or automatically make her a loli.
oh wait you edited your post and added that part about Sora Shiina. ok now i'm confused lol
Yes it does, because you are just arbitrarily saying she isn't a loli. At the most your view should be weighed equally to Kawaii's.
No one is truly a loli either. They are actresses playing a role, and some of them play other roles. There are tons of examples of that I've given aside from Miko Hanyu. Like Shiina Sora, or as you pointed out Mio Ooshima.
But even if you want to say they "embody the ideal of a loli", then there is really nothing objective to say against her as evidence she isn't a loli. She absolutely is more a loli than half this thread. She is shorter than many that are included, she weighs a lot less than many of them, she is smaller in every way. Long torso is also a poor excuse, if we are talking proportions many girls listed here have longer torsos.
I don't think she has a long torso, btw. I mean it isn't as compact as some girls sure, but she has legs to match.
If we go just by height you have Erika Yamaguchi. I don't think that's fair. Sure she is shorter, but they both have long torsos (I would say hers is quite a bit longer in comparison with her legs).
Shinosaki Mio prepared for her role as a loli by bathing in milk her entire life, and living an innocent, cloistered life in preparation for this debut. (sarcasm)
Erika Yamaguchi has a much "longer torso" simply because she is a dwarf. Specifically, she was born with achondroplasia or disproportionate dwarfism. That said I take back what I said about dwarves, I am attracted to her. I just prefer the other type of loli.
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It sounds like we agree on most points except maybe what the ideal loli is. Or better yet I should say what the ideal loli JAV actress should look like.
I use my eyes when identifying a loli and not if a studio labeled something as loli. I would have a pretty crappy JAV collection if I downloaded everything these studios call loli (especially Kawaii, who mostly put out garbage). I noticed alot of studios factor in the theme of the video when deciding to label the video as loli, and not if the girl actually fits the loli profile.
Things that define loli...
1. Height (taller than 150cm makes loli status questionable)
2. Short Limbs (shuna for example has a long torso but her legs are short so her overall height is still only 147cm)
3. Breast Size (anything over an A cup makes loli status questionable).
Then subjectively 3 other factors...
4. Face has to have a certain cute quality (mio for example does not have this look, not ugly but has a mature woman's face)
5. Shallow ribcage
6. Little or no pubic hair!
Things that define loli...
1. Height (taller than 150cm makes loli status questionable)
2. Short Limbs (shuna for example has a long torso but her legs are short so her overall height is still only 147cm)
3. Breast Size (anything over an A cup makes loli status questionable).
Then subjectively 3 other factors...
4. Face has to have a certain cute quality (mio for example does not have this look, not ugly but has a mature woman's face)
5. Shallow ribcage
6. Little or no pubic hair!
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That's great. I don't care. Your profile pic is of a dwarf. I don't think you are the ultimate authority on lolis.
You like dwarf porn, that's fine but that is a different genre as far as I'm concerned. And it's not just me, most work under mini rather than loli. Practically the only MUM videos not billed as Loli feature such dwarves as "Mini" instead because even they know they don't truly pass despite every single Minimum title being "Loli" themed. That is not loli. I'm sitting here having to defend one of the best loli debuts in months against people who think that just because someone is a dwarf and therefore unusually short that she is the perfect loli.
I get it, dwarves are short. What's special about that? Nothing, it's just an average dwarf. Not "Oh wow, she is so short she looks so young", more like "Wow, she sure is a dwarf who will always look like that with her oversized prominent forehead, jutting jaw, and bowed legs shorter relative to her torso. The textbook definition of someone born with achondroplasia."
Dwarves aren't all that bad though, they have an easier time maintaining their (unimpressive) figure because it is a medical condition they were born with. You can't really tell the difference when they are 18 or 35 (because without miracle make-up they all look like they are older). Some are pretty attractive, but I don't think they are the ideal and really it goes against the whole idea of what "loli" is trying to capture in my opinion. It's cheating in a way. For people who are easily fooled by height alone. Put a wig on Warwick Davis, I'm not sure you could tell the difference.
Me personally, I don't like my girls to have bodies like tree stumps.
edit: I'll admit I'm being pretty harsh, but I think it is kind of bullshit that you two are pulling this "she doesn't belong in this thread" just because you don't like her as much. Going through this thread there are many girls I don't like, girls I don't think of as loli because they almost NEVER do loli videos, or are in fact dwarves. I mean talking about your ideal loli body is one thing, but trying to enforce your personal standards on others is kind of bullshit. God damn right you should allow other people to at the very least go by what the studios themselves market rather than your personal bullshit check list. No hair, like wtf do you not realize that they shave. It's not like any of them are naturally hairless, how the fuck does that "disqualify a girl".
Why can't we just talk about new releases, and various girls we like (not just who you like). If you don't like a girl maybe hold your tongue or at least when you criticize her stop pulling this "that's not a 'real' loli" bullshit.
"Mature face"
My ass, she doesn't look like a Mature Woman. Like Maki Hojo? Give me a break, she has a far more youthful face than 90% of the dwarves <143 cm. She just happens to share a haircut with a couple other JAV stars who are older and not loli, that's meaningless. It shouldn't be held against her. Brush her bangs back and she doesn't have a giant forehead at least. She looks younger than most here.
Why the fuck does every god damn thing on the internet have to devolve into negativity, and arguing. I can't even fucking escape it when I want to jerk off? I'm about done with this whole damn thread, and it's a shame because it was fun finally being able to talk about and share newly discovered or favorite JAV. But I don't need all this negative bullshit. At least no one in this thread (on a file sharing forum) is on their high horse getting on my case for pirating JAV like I'm some terrible, selfish monster ruining the industry like in the AV Open 2016 thread... yet.
You like dwarf porn, that's fine but that is a different genre as far as I'm concerned. And it's not just me, most work under mini rather than loli. Practically the only MUM videos not billed as Loli feature such dwarves as "Mini" instead because even they know they don't truly pass despite every single Minimum title being "Loli" themed. That is not loli. I'm sitting here having to defend one of the best loli debuts in months against people who think that just because someone is a dwarf and therefore unusually short that she is the perfect loli.
I get it, dwarves are short. What's special about that? Nothing, it's just an average dwarf. Not "Oh wow, she is so short she looks so young", more like "Wow, she sure is a dwarf who will always look like that with her oversized prominent forehead, jutting jaw, and bowed legs shorter relative to her torso. The textbook definition of someone born with achondroplasia."
Dwarves aren't all that bad though, they have an easier time maintaining their (unimpressive) figure because it is a medical condition they were born with. You can't really tell the difference when they are 18 or 35 (because without miracle make-up they all look like they are older). Some are pretty attractive, but I don't think they are the ideal and really it goes against the whole idea of what "loli" is trying to capture in my opinion. It's cheating in a way. For people who are easily fooled by height alone. Put a wig on Warwick Davis, I'm not sure you could tell the difference.
Me personally, I don't like my girls to have bodies like tree stumps.
edit: I'll admit I'm being pretty harsh, but I think it is kind of bullshit that you two are pulling this "she doesn't belong in this thread" just because you don't like her as much. Going through this thread there are many girls I don't like, girls I don't think of as loli because they almost NEVER do loli videos, or are in fact dwarves. I mean talking about your ideal loli body is one thing, but trying to enforce your personal standards on others is kind of bullshit. God damn right you should allow other people to at the very least go by what the studios themselves market rather than your personal bullshit check list. No hair, like wtf do you not realize that they shave. It's not like any of them are naturally hairless, how the fuck does that "disqualify a girl".
Why can't we just talk about new releases, and various girls we like (not just who you like). If you don't like a girl maybe hold your tongue or at least when you criticize her stop pulling this "that's not a 'real' loli" bullshit.
"Mature face"
My ass, she doesn't look like a Mature Woman. Like Maki Hojo? Give me a break, she has a far more youthful face than 90% of the dwarves <143 cm. She just happens to share a haircut with a couple other JAV stars who are older and not loli, that's meaningless. It shouldn't be held against her. Brush her bangs back and she doesn't have a giant forehead at least. She looks younger than most here.
Why the fuck does every god damn thing on the internet have to devolve into negativity, and arguing. I can't even fucking escape it when I want to jerk off? I'm about done with this whole damn thread, and it's a shame because it was fun finally being able to talk about and share newly discovered or favorite JAV. But I don't need all this negative bullshit. At least no one in this thread (on a file sharing forum) is on their high horse getting on my case for pirating JAV like I'm some terrible, selfish monster ruining the industry like in the AV Open 2016 thread... yet.
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When did I say she doesn't belong in this thread (wouldn't even think you were talking to me if you didn't bring up my omomo)? I wasnt trying to be an authority on loli, I thought this was a loli discussion thread lol. Was just pointing out she has a "pie face" and hairstyle that I associate with mature talent. Looking at the first page of mature woman you linked, my feelings have been strengthened. I do see alot of mature woman with a very similar look to Mio Shinosaki (facially) on the first page alone (not sure how you can't see it). Even with my criticism that her face isnt "loli enough" I still think she is hot. But even if I thought she was hideous and doesn't belong in this thread, its still just my opinion and you don't have to agree with it. So not sure what you are so worked up about.
and omomo is the definition of loli. If shes not loli then neither are any of these legends... (Rina Hatsume, Ichigo Aoi, etc)
now that girl in the back on the far left should be the one we all gang up on and take away her loli pass. If you want to talk about someone looking like a tree stump. She should get her own category "Big Mini". Now thats what I consider a mini, a girl that just happens to be short but otherwise looks her age and plain. The Mini vs Lolita thing is bullshit though, if you look at the results for both categories on DMM or JavLibrary you will get random content featuring the same girls. They are just guessing like us. Hell, if you do an advanced search on JavLibrary for lolita it just comes up with videos with the mini or "girl" tag lol. So I wouldnt exactly worry so much about "official" labels.
and Risa Omomo's proportions are perfect, Go watch Little Woman LA if you want to see what a dwarf looks like. None of them look like this...
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I checked Marie Konishi before. Less cute indeed but her performance are sometimes too much for my tastes. Especially for irrumatio.
This kind of things are too much for me. I prefer watching a girl enjoying sex, that's why I was so so before finally going for Suzu as she did DFE-020 but it is far less hardcore and she has great skills.
I share that point of view about the term. Even though websites often put girls in wrong categories, "mini" would normaly be used for that kind of girls who are dwarves. Their face looks older and you can notice that they have a different body, they aren't just small. But in tmas3's post above, none of the girls seems to follow those features, they have young faces (because they're young) and are just short but they don't have body parts like dwarves :
Here, mr "passe partout" (he's in a french tv show) look very different, his legs and arms are way shorter compared to his torso.
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I'm the same way. I've been guilty of wanting to check stats of actresses to confirm their "loliness", however some of my favorite loli actresses of all time have been over 150cm. Minami Ogura, my fav of all time, clocks in at 156cm!
I think a lot of what "loli" is comes from submissiveness and cuteness. Size does play a part, however I've definitely seen some girls who clock in at 150cm or so that I didn't enjoy their movies because they didn't play the loli part well enough. Those girls I'd more fit under the "mini-kei" tag, as opposed to the "loli-kei" tag.
@timhuxley I'm not sure what you are getting angry for or why you are offensively calling people dwarves. This is a place to discuss our favorite JAV genre and that is exactly what we are doing. Naturally people are going to have different opinions of who/what is loli and who/what is not; we each share our opinions with each other and we will disagree that's that, there's no reason to start cursing or calling people names. Nobody is trying to be the ultimate authority on loli and nobody is saying we can't discuss Mio Shinosaki or any other actresses, in fact I welcomed it:
Well I hope you're not serious when you say you're done with this thread. You've posted some great stuff here and I hope you continue to do so.
Well I hope you're not serious when you say you're done with this thread. You've posted some great stuff here and I hope you continue to do so.
First time seeing this actress I think, no clue what her name is.Does anyone know who the last girl in IBW-544 is? I hate how IB Works never lists their actresses..
Also, does anyone have a full version of VRTM-089? All the copies floating around seem to be only half of the movie, there was an mkv version released that was twice the size but it's all but disappeared from the net it seems.
The VRTM-089 I have is the 991MB version. I didn't even realize it wasn't the full version, guess I always busted before making it to the end
The VRTM-089 I have is the 991MB version. I didn't even realize it wasn't the full version, guess I always busted before making it to the end
It happend with CJOD-029 (Aki Sasaki). She was riding the guy and boum ! I was like WTF ? So I went back the the previous scenes to jerk off. I then finally found the full version.