What can Western porn learn from JAV?

[val_f]

Don't take this too seriously, but just off the top of my head:

• Foreplay, because there's way more to sex than just pelvic movements.
• Makeup. Seriously is there no alternative other than the whore look?
• Cover art. Really bland next to the flare and some would say photoshopping prowess of JAV cover designs.
• Immersion, for the lack of a better word. Western porn tend to be over-acted, while JAV has the knack for depicting real life surroundings easier for the audience to connect to. Lacking even the flimsiest disguise of a plot doesn't help either.
• Variety. JAV basically observes Rule 34. It's hard to measure up to that but doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

 

[JavFanatic]

Good points there. Also, some Asian-American performers "westernize" their features (like Kobe Tai), or get ridiculous implants.

In western porn, the guys talk way too much, and too loudly. Then there are the "Oh" face shots-terrible.

 

[redmangoose]

I agree with the immersion factor. They really need to do more POV. I only ever watch POV because it's just weird looking at the guy.

 

[kennym]

How to use your imagination. Time stop, invisible man, etc.

 

[TrakeM]

Yea, the biggest thing many of them could learn is just having weird stuff/variety.

Also, every western girl in every porn ever made has the exact same lines/expressions/attitude. "Oh my god! Oh do me there! Yea, fuck me!"

 

[wirama]

I actually doesn't like this kind of topic because in my opinion, JAV also has something that lacks compare to American porn (please note that not all "western" porn are the same, Europe and United States have different taste and specialization). every porn has their advantage and disadvantage, O personally like both, JAV and American Porn, they are equal.


now to answer your question: American Porn are actually very popular than any of you think and JAV hasn't made American Porn "invisble", I say JAV and American Porn are equal. now if you say that American is lacking what you describe, you are very wrong! porn is an industry, they are made to the taste of their consumer's demographic.

American Porn nowadays tend towards good story line, not just some dirty talk and sex, why? because in their research, women watch porn too and women like porns that has a good story. there also have a huge amount of POV and fantasy play, you only need to search deeper. all JAV and American Porn has a huge amount of variety, they both have creative idea about sex.

trying to compare JAV and American Porn is like comparing Lamborghini and Ferrari. they have the same power and speciality, which one do you like depends on your taste.

it's useless to compare them both without excluding your subjective idea or being neutral. in the end, all these replies are talking about how ugly American Porn are and how beautiful JAV are just because of your subjective thinking and personal taste and that's not fair.

 

[TrakeM]

I actually doesn't like this kind of topic because in my opinion, JAV also has something that lacks compare to American porn (please note that not all "western" porn are the same, Europe and United States have different taste and specialization). every porn has their advantage and disadvantage, O personally like both, JAV and American Porn, they are equal.


now to answer your question: American Porn are actually very popular than any of you think and JAV hasn't made American Porn "invisble", I say JAV and American Porn are equal. now if you say that American is lacking what you describe, you are very wrong! porn is an industry, they are made to the taste of their consumer's demographic.

American Porn nowadays tend towards good story line, not just some dirty talk and sex, why? because in their research, women watch porn too and women like porns that has a good story. there also have a huge amount of POV and fantasy play, you only need to search deeper. all JAV and American Porn has a huge amount of variety, they both have creative idea about sex.

trying to compare JAV and American Porn is like comparing Lamborghini and Ferrari. they have the same power and speciality, which one do you like depends on your taste.

it's useless to compare them both without excluding your subjective idea or being neutral. in the end, all these replies are talking about how ugly American Porn are and how beautiful JAV are just because of your subjective thinking and personal taste and that's not fair.

I don't think anyone is trying to say western porn sucks or is inferior to JAV or that western porn is not successful. We're just talking about some of the things that we like about JAV that we wish were true more often in American porn. Certainly, someone could make a post about things they wish were in JAV more often that are common in western porn and I'd likely say something about that too.

 

[Desu]

What can Western porn learn from JAV?

1. show less males' faces/bodies
if i wanted to look at guys i'd watch gay porn

2. about lesbian flicks: that's NOT how you lick a pussy goddammit!!!

3. small tits are better than ugly fake implants (just look at jenna haze!)

4. bukkake/reverse bukkake videos: if you can't do it, just don't. simple as that.

 

[Kizaemon]

It is a two way street for lesbian porn. JAV needs more interracial scenes with women of other cultures and ethnicities - i.e. black/Japanese women. JAV directors should consider going to i.e. the US to film with the best of American girl/girl performers. American lesbian directors need to get out of the rut of having every release a collection of vignettes and have more movies with just two actresses with a storyline that is prevalent in lesbian JAV.

 

[nogimmickneeded4]

For me, I think JAV can learn more from Western porn. There's so many movies where I say, if this were made in the US, it would be a hundred times better. I'm not even talking about censors here.

JAV learning from US:
- Girls actually you know, getting naked in films.
- Better positions/camera shots with more focus on girl's backsides and more riding shots. Basically, more for the viewer, less for the guy in the video.
- Less focus on storylines.
- Asian women from other countries. Japan is really missing the boat on this one.

As for US learning from JAV:
- More natural looking girls and more girls who seem normal.
- Cheaper and more accessible porn. You go to Japan and you can get porn for a decent price and you can find it easy. In the US, you are dropping $40 minimum.
- Creating a DMM like site. AV wouldn't be what it is without DMM.

 

[CodeGeek]

Hm, I guess that is question if not easy to answer as it depends on your position to Western porn and JAV. And it depends on your taste.
E.g. I totally prefer JAV over Western porn. So I have many points that Western porn can learn from JAV. And because of my taste the focus is also different.

US learning from JAV:
- Guys looking normal and not as they left the gym right before the movie shot.
- Many movies have a real nice storyline while many US only focus on the act. Boring. (That is definitely based on the taste)
- More natural looking girls and more girls who seem normal. (copied from nogimmickneeded4)

Hm, I don't know if JAV can learning something from US. At least nothing crosses my mind at the moment. An to be honest: I don't want any other Asians to take part in JAV. But it would be nice if there would be something like Korean AV or Vietnamese AV (if you think about Elly Tran Ha) in the same quality.

But as I said before: I depends very much on position. If there is a scala with JAV at 1 and US at 10 (which is the other end of the skala) your opinion will be different if you're position is 1 (you prefer JAV 100% and don't like US at all), you're position is 5 or 6 (you like both) and you're position is 10 (you think US is the best). In the first case US could learn a lot from US and nothing the other way round, in the last case it is the exact opposite.
Then it also depends on your taste. In my case I really like porn with a good storyline. So far I haven't seen any US porn with a good story - but many JAV. I know that many people prefer not to have a story in a porn movie. They like them to concentrate only on the act without any falderal or gagets around it. I guess such people tend more to like US porn.

 

[wirama]

For me, I think JAV can learn more from Western porn. There's so many movies where I say, if this were made in the US, it would be a hundred times better. I'm not even talking about censors here.

JAV learning from US:
- Girls actually you know, getting naked in films.
- Better positions/camera shots with more focus on girl's backsides and more riding shots. Basically, more for the viewer, less for the guy in the video.
- Less focus on storylines.
- Asian women from other countries. Japan is really missing the boat on this one.

As for US learning from JAV:
- More natural looking girls and more girls who seem normal.
- Cheaper and more accessible porn. You go to Japan and you can get porn for a decent price and you can find it easy. In the US, you are dropping $40 minimum.
- Creating a DMM like site. AV wouldn't be what it is without DMM.

Hm, I guess that is question if not easy to answer as it depends on your position to Western porn and JAV. And it depends on your taste.
E.g. I totally prefer JAV over Western porn. So I have many points that Western porn can learn from JAV. And because of my taste the focus is also different.

US learning from JAV:
- Guys looking normal and not as they left the gym right before the movie shot.
- Many movies have a real nice storyline while many US only focus on the act. Boring. (That is definitely based on the taste)
- More natural looking girls and more girls who seem normal. (copied from nogimmickneeded4)

Hm, I don't know if JAV can learning something from US. At least nothing crosses my mind at the moment. An to be honest: I don't want any other Asians to take part in JAV. But it would be nice if there would be something like Korean AV or Vietnamese AV (if you think about Elly Tran Ha) in the same quality.

But as I said before: I depends very much on position. If there is a scala with JAV at 1 and US at 10 (which is the other end of the skala) your opinion will be different if you're position is 1 (you prefer JAV 100% and don't like US at all), you're position is 5 or 6 (you like both) and you're position is 10 (you think US is the best). In the first case US could learn a lot from US and nothing the other way round, in the last case it is the exact opposite.
Then it also depends on your taste. In my case I really like porn with a good storyline. So far I haven't seen any US porn with a good story - but many JAV. I know that many people prefer not to have a story in a porn movie. They like them to concentrate only on the act without any falderal or gagets around it. I guess such people tend more to like US porn.

both of these answers are the best answer I've seen in this post... a good example of answering about JAV and Western/United States Porn, there's neutrality and objectivity in there. so please all of you, if you want to answer about a topic that compare something, these two are a good example so far in this whole forum about comparing things.


good for you nogimmickneeded4 and CodeGeek!

 

[chrisfallout]

- Cheaper and more accessible porn. You go to Japan and you can get porn for a decent price and you can find it easy. In the US, you are dropping $40 minimum.
- Creating a DMM like site. AV wouldn't be what it is without DMM.

that not true since all video coast different price base on studio or how some stores sell them. you can get video at some stores where you buy 2 get one free where you pay 40$ for 3 or can get video where been used as rentals cheap too. since previous viewed. all depends on store and where you live.

 

[asianbooblover]

What can western porn learn from Jav

That a porn star can be older and still be sexy, without fake implants or tons of makeup(Fumie Tokikoshi immediately comes to mind). Also, they can really learn how a woman can caress and take care of a man when administering a blowjob. Western porn stars merely bob up and down continuously, while many JAV stars give a man's cock the full treatment.

 

[chrisfallout]

That a porn star can be older and still be sexy, without fake implants or tons of makeup(Fumie Tokikoshi immediately comes to mind). Also, they can really learn how a woman can caress and take care of a man when administering a blowjob. Western porn stars merely bob up and down continuously, while many JAV stars give a man's cock the full treatment.

its not that some doing to try to stay around a little more or try to get people to notice them since might not know who they are. its same for some of people that dye there hair or change there hair style. what most people do not understand is. that some or most up and cummers are flavor of month for some studio. most do research on stars to see who wants more of stars too. since most do photo work to be posted on net. with that they can judge if she has looks and staying power to be around. unless you make as contract girl and get people asking to see more. you last a long time with out having to change your looks around

 

[mightyeel]

Japanese women tend to be more feminine than their western counterparts...American porn girls in particular are usually far too aggressive, way too much swearing etc. Japanese girls seem to maintain a degree of sensuallity and dignity.
However I see some have accused western girls as being fake (boobs etc). Come on get real, there is a lot of silicon in JAV too... MANY JAV girls have fake breasts. There is also a lot of fakeness in the movies as well...the mosaic cencorship hides a multitude of sins.

 

[chrisfallout]

Japanese women tend to be more feminine than their western counterparts...American porn girls in particular are usually far too aggressive, way too much swearing etc. Japanese girls seem to maintain a degree of sensuallity and dignity.
However I see some have accused western girls as being fake (boobs etc). Come on get real, there is a lot of silicon in JAV too... MANY JAV girls have fake breasts. There is also a lot of fakeness in the movies as well...the mosaic cencorship hides a multitude of sins.

reason why most do changes to body is this. mos are flavor of them month after not being chosen as top star or get more billings they will go out and do upgrades change hair color or ad or remove tattoos. since not many become contract girls or make to big company's. most will float around do small company's or try some these other company's some will go out do black guys or cream pies or squirting movies which are fetish for some and could stay around for like year or so if person filming movies like them or not. other go out and do internet stuff like photo shoots or photo shoot scenes to make for fake not get any movie jobs. also comes down to how girls get along and work with person in charge making movies. since we some fight or people not happy to be on set with other girls too. since do not like each other.