Why are "showcases" (films focused on one girl) more common in JAV than American porn?

[HornKnee]

I'm noticing this. An American porn star may get a few flicks where all the scenes feature her if she's super well known.

But almost every Japanese actress I ever looked up on R18 had at least 3 movies where they're the star of the show. Why is this? Is it cultural for Japan? Or are showcases not worth it financially in the U.S?

 

[Inertia]

I don’t speak for American porn, but since JAV focuses more on single titles (2 hours or so), you’ll see studios ‘rent’ the girl for an entire day of shooting.

Make no mistake though: not every single fresh-faced JAV star begins her career with these types of titles. More often than not, they’ll start out as ‘faceless amateurs’ in kikaku titles—be it group sex titles or nanpa titles with various scenes each starring a different girl.

Slightly off subject, but some studios may sometimes rent an actress for an entire day of shooting, but shoot like 4 scenes each for a different title. This is why you may see the same actress with the same ‘looks’ (same hair, similar makeup, and still having the same band-aid over her knee, etc.) starring in one studio’s release schedule over several months.

 

[ding73ding]

Very interesting question. And @Inertia gave some very interesting points, but not an answer to the question, IMHO.

I don't know I have an answer either. I think one important point is that JAV industry produces so many fresh faces per week, and many of them have fairly short careers. But for Ameriporn, at least the old days I knew, the entire industry is made of a small number of porn stars with long careers. So perhaps "single titles" (personally I like the klunky translation "Solo work") for Ameriporn would be much more boring as most of the films would be features a porn star who has already done 50 solo works already. But for JAV, the turnover is so high that most of the solo works feature an idol who's been in the industry less than 2 years. So that keeps each month's releases relatively fresh

But if you are like me and want to follow a few favorite top idols with long career then the JAV ways is rather boring. Take my fav Julia, it's hard not to notice she has done the standard themes (soapland, paisuri) over and over and over again.

Ideally I'd like to see a combination of the Eastern and Western ways. When a girl begins her career, she (if she's hot and popular enough) might do mostly solo works (to promote/demonstrate her prestige) and when she's done the standard repertoire once or even twice over, and if she's still popular enough to stay in the industry, she should "graduate" to do more Western-like porn, with other girls doing group sex, or at least play one of the characters in a multi-characters sex story.

 

[jwlim80]

The Japanese Agencies manage their top talents like idols by giving them live apperances for fan interaction in shops every other weeks, late night TV apperances, modeling shots and oversea gigs. How often do you get that with American porn star ?

As such, it pays to give them as much exposure as possible while they are still popular.

 

[paparoach408]

JAV is movie based, American is mostly scene based, even when they say do a feature it's weeks after releasing the individual scenes online first, JAV is just straight up movies.

The Japanese Agencies manage their top talents like idols by giving them live apperances for fan interaction in shops every other weeks, late night TV apperances, modeling shots and oversea gigs. How often do you get that with American porn star ?

As such, it pays to give them as much exposure as possible while they are still popular.

A lot of feature dancing, stripping, and being call girls, they show up at places but because of the stigmata of the industry they won't be in any mainstream things

 

[jwlim80]

JA lot of feature dancing, stripping, and being call girls, they show up at places but because of the stigmata of the industry they won't be in any mainstream things

In another word, everything is low key with American porn stars. No live apperances for simple innocent fan interaction where their presence is advertise weeks in advance ? No TV late night show hosting, interviews and cameo. Modeling gigs and such ?

 

[darksider59]

As other members said, JAV produce movies for the most part. In the west, it's the opposite, very few movies and mostly gonzo. I only know Wicked and Digital Playground in the US that produce movies similar to JAV (with a plot and some acting).

I don't know if they are more new girls in JAV than US porn per week (just look at all those bangbros students group sex vids for exemple) but actresses also have to do cam or strip shows to earn money. All their appearences have this "sex" connotation. To me, JAV is different on this as some girls of course appear in adult expo (not the best looking tho), but the most popular are invited in China for example as idol more than pornstar. I even saw some doing model for bike expo shows (Yuki Jin). Rion did a shop tour to promote one movie and again, it was in a idol way.

 

[paparoach408]

As other members said, JAV produce movies for the most part. In the west, it's the opposite, very few movies and mostly gonzo. I only know Wicked and Digital Playground in the US that produce movies similar to JAV (with a plot and some acting).

I don't know if they are more new girls in JAV than US porn per week (just look at all those bangbros students group sex vids for exemple) but actresses also have to do cam or strip shows to earn money. All their appearences have this "sex" connotation. To me, JAV is different on this as some girls of course appear in adult expo (not the best looking tho), but the most popular are invited in China for example as idol more than pornstar. I even saw some doing model for bike expo shows (Yuki Jin). Rion did a shop tour to promote one movie and again, it was in a idol way.

Wicked and Digital are pretty much it who do JAV like movies, unless you're a fan of the millions of parodies. US porn probably has more new actresses per week because of the system, just do a scene and a week or 2 later it's online. Even with JAVS hundreds of amateurs US porn has it beat in numbers

 

[darksider59]

Wicked and Digital are pretty much it who do JAV like movies, unless you're a fan of the millions of parodies. US porn probably has more new actresses per week because of the system, just do a scene and a week or 2 later it's online. Even with JAVS hundreds of amateurs US porn has it beat in numbers

I have to admit that the Batman parody with Tori Black or the Spiderman one with Capri Anderson made me and a friend laugh a lot when they were released.

 

[silent1one]

I prefer each movie only feature one av actress rather than multiple actresses that star in their individual scenes. It's easier to keep track of your collection this way. Also, studios always rotate their fetish titles, so we'll see another actress starring in something like maid, bath, investigator, etc every few months.

 

[ding73ding]

JAV is movie based, American is mostly scene based, even when they say do a feature it's weeks after releasing the individual scenes online first, JAV is just straight up movies.

Yeah... what I was talking about was probably 10+ years ago. Indeed now Ameriporn is individual scenes. But that being the case, it has invalidated the original question of OP. AFAIK, Ameriporn scenes are mostly single-actress features. The OP question only make sense if he's talking about the porn industry that was 20 years ago when DVD's (min. 90 mins per title, typically 4-6 scenes with at least 3 actresses for the whole title and less than 50% of all the scenes are 2P (boy-girl or girl-girl). Nowadays it seems most of the porn are story-less (at least plot-less) individual scenes with more than 50% (maybe even 75%?) of the scenes are 2P.

US porn probably has more new actresses per week because of the system, just do a scene and a week or 2 later it's online. Even with JAVS hundreds of amateurs US porn has it beat in numbers

Well... I've already proved that I know very little of contemporary Ameriporn. (amazingly the name Tori Black still rings a bell) But let me try feebly to push back.

The college girls doing a quickie scene seem to rather different to me as a porn customer. I am not very interested in nameless (or nearly nameless) and/or personality-less amateur or "amateur" who make a scene, help me fap once or twice and then disappear. Those I categorize as amateurs and exclude from this discussion. I am only counting "stars" or "idols" who actually make sex vids consistently as a career, for at least a whole year. I only want to count those that achieve name recognition among fans. I keep going back to my (CURRENT) top three... so let's not do that this time. Let's pick some second tier names, Saki Okuda, Aika, Honoka Mihara, Noa Eikawa, Kokone Sakura, Nana Fukada, those names are not everyone's fav, but everyone know of them and JAV practically manufacture recognizable idols every quarter, if not every month. If you use that threshold, I think JAV industry creates more idols than US produces actresses. I don't even think US can come up with a new star every half year.

 

[silent1one]

Yeah... what I was talking about was probably 10+ years ago. Indeed now Ameriporn is individual scenes. But that being the case, it has invalidated the original question of OP. AFAIK, Ameriporn scenes are mostly single-actress features. The OP question only make sense if he's talking about the porn industry that was 20 years ago when DVD's (min. 90 mins per title, typically 4-6 scenes with at least 3 actresses for the whole title and less than 50% of all the scenes are 2P (boy-girl or girl-girl). Nowadays it seems most of the porn are story-less (at least plot-less) individual scenes with more than 50% (maybe even 75%?) of the scenes are 2P.


Well... I've already proved that I know very little of contemporary Ameriporn. (amazingly the name Tori Black still rings a bell) But let me try feebly to push back.

The college girls doing a quickie scene seem to rather different to me as a porn customer. I am not very interested in nameless (or nearly nameless) and/or personality-less amateur or "amateur" who make a scene, help me fap once or twice and then disappear. Those I categorize as amateurs and exclude from this discussion. I am only counting "stars" or "idols" who actually make sex vids consistently as a career, for at least a whole year. I only want to count those that achieve name recognition among fans. I keep going back to my (CURRENT) top three... so let's not do that this time. Let's pick some second tier names, Saki Okuda, Aika, Honoka Mihara, Noa Eikawa, Kokone Sakura, Nana Fukada, those names are not everyone's fav, but everyone know of them and JAV practically manufacture recognizable idols every quarter, if not every month. If you use that threshold, I think JAV industry creates more idols than US produces actresses. I don't even think US can come up with a new star every half year.

Most major studios focus on online streaming service nowadays like bangbros and their staged hitch hikers and fake fans with a very basic and minimum intro, so a whole story about one girl might not be that marketable. It's usually one girl per a certain title like bangbus or the massage then they rotate to another girl. I remember some famous adult actresses done a lot of those affairs movie with some "plot heavy" starring only them as the only female cast, but that was it. There isn't really any dark tones onscreen even though there are some heavy interracial gb, bdsm, and degrading fetishes, but American porns are mostly plotless and the acting are bad anyway, so they focus on staged reality show dramas elements like YouTube wannabes. Sometimes, some of the scenes are connected together somehow like the girl from the previous scene appears to talk with the girl of the subsequent scene. Those Amwf used to follow the same standard of American porn when they still film in L.A regularly a decade ago.

Also, companies in Japan consider av idols to be very important moneymaking assets to them, so they spend more money and effort in packaging and marketing them in to bigger stars in comparison to USA and EU. Most of them are require to appear in events monthly, sing as a group, and even star in sleazy Low budget vcinemas.

 

[paparoach408]

The college girls doing a quickie scene seem to rather different to me as a porn customer. I am not very interested in nameless (or nearly nameless) and/or personality-less amateur or "amateur" who make a scene, help me fap once or twice and then disappear. Those I categorize as amateurs and exclude from this discussion. I am only counting "stars" or "idols" who actually make sex vids consistently as a career, for at least a whole year. I only want to count those that achieve name recognition among fans. I keep going back to my (CURRENT) top three... so let's not do that this time. Let's pick some second tier names, Saki Okuda, Aika, Honoka Mihara, Noa Eikawa, Kokone Sakura, Nana Fukada, those names are not everyone's fav, but everyone know of them and JAV practically manufacture recognizable idols every quarter, if not every month. If you use that threshold, I think JAV industry creates more idols than US produces actresses. I don't even think US can come up with a new star every half year.

I don't think your point fits with those girls because they've had years to establish themselves only maybe two you listed started pretty big, while the others took time to establish themselves, it would be better to point out more from the past year that debuted

 

[paparoach408]

Most major studios focus on online streaming service nowadays like bangbros and their staged hitch hikers and fake fans with a very basic and minimum intro, so a whole story about one girl might not be that marketable. It's usually one girl per a certain title like bangbus or the massage then they rotate to another girl. I remember some famous adult actresses done a lot of those affairs movie with some "plot heavy" starring only them as the only female cast, but that was it. There isn't really any dark tones onscreen even though there are some heavy interracial gb, bdsm, and degrading fetishes, but American porns are mostly plotless and the acting are bad anyway, so they focus on staged reality show dramas elements like YouTube wannabes. Sometimes, some of the scenes are connected together somehow like the girl from the previous scene appears to talk with the girl of the subsequent scene. Those Amwf used to follow the same standard of American porn when they still film in L.A regularly a decade ago.

Also, companies in Japan consider av idols to be very important moneymaking assets to them, so they spend more money and effort in packaging and marketing them in to bigger stars in comparison to USA and EU. Most of them are require to appear in events monthly, sing as a group, and even star in sleazy Low budget vcinemas.

so on the dark tones thing, the american industry had a lot of drama in regards to that a few years ago and the industry mostly cut out any dark tones, so that's a big reason why the main KINK/BDSM site(kink) has become so "vanilla" compared to what it used to be, best you'll find of that kind of stuff is at clips4sale

The second part, the days of the contract star are pretty much dead in america, when it was at its prime then there where a lot of contract girls who they marketed the crap out of, but now the system has changed and there are only very few contract girls and they ones that do, still get heavily marketed. Also I don't think anyone is required to be in the Ebisu Muscats pretty sure everyone in it wants to be there, and Vcinemas I also think a lot of them want to do those

 

[silent1one]

so on the dark tones thing, the american industry had a lot of drama in regards to that a few years ago and the industry mostly cut out any dark tones, so that's a big reason why the main KINK/BDSM site(kink) has become so "vanilla" compared to what it used to be, best you'll find of that kind of stuff is at clips4sale

The second part, the days of the contract star are pretty much dead in america, when it was at its prime then there where a lot of contract girls who they marketed the crap out of, but now the system has changed and there are only very few contract girls and they ones that do, still get heavily marketed. Also I don't think anyone is required to be in the Ebisu Muscats pretty sure everyone in it wants to be there, and Vcinemas I also think a lot of them want to do those

Dogfart still make degrading kind of racist movies with gb and tiny penis guy compares to vanilla Blacked. There was the one with deepthroat bj and shaming that once make some headlines with belle knox and mayli. So not all the "torture" porn are gone and some like riley reid enjoys it even she claim she's dating someone. It's just there's no plot beside a simple intro. Girls just come and goes to film for differenr studio nowadays.

I don't think v-cinema is bad since some of them film a lot of those and often they include bts at the end to show they're happy and enjoy plot heavy non-penetratble sex. Almost every famous av actress done at least a few or more. Some of them are mini franchises like the yankee school girls and lady ninja. Though they make be faking it with editting like those av bts and mock interviews that requires them to show their private photos and cry gratefully when they receive flowers. That's a common thing for both male and female idols in general though.

However, unlike Hong kong, korea, or taiwan they won't get them an authentic film award for filming those sleazy low budget v-cinema since it's home video that stimulate some fans' fantasies like Hentai with heavy plot and voice acting. Also, A lot more acting are enforced on av actress that depride of their private lives like appearing in groups to perform or appear at events every few weeks. Even they're not part of muscats, they'll part of something else if they're part of something else if they're a famous seller. Yui hatano and hibiki was in a trio and ideapocket girls with name starting with Ki dress up as guys and have their own vlogging and reality-ish show before most of them retire and move to attackers.

 

[paparoach408]

Dogfart still make degrading kind of racist movies with gb and tiny penis guy compares to vanilla Blacked. There was the one with deepthroat bj and shaming that once make some headlines with belle knox and mayli. So not all the "torture" porn are gone and some like riley reid enjoys it even she claim she's dating someone. It's just there's no plot beside a simple intro. Girls just come and goes to film for differenr studio nowadays.

CuckoldSessions is what you're talking about, that's cucking, and there's a lot of stuff like that around not just dogfart, and the other thing is Facial Abuse/FaceFucking it's also not torture porn just more degradation, and they used to get known named girls, but the last 4-5 years they only deal with no name amateurs that do there stuff and disappear. I don't know what you're saying about Riley Reid, but as i've said American porn is scene based not movie based, if majority of what the JAV industry sold was individual scenes then the same would happen in Japan, American industry went from movie based, and very creative to scene based and less creative, and since there are very few contract stars then girls going around to different studios isn't that big of a deal

 

[silent1one]

CuckoldSessions is what you're talking about, that's cucking, and there's a lot of stuff like that around not just dogfart, and the other thing is Facial Abuse/FaceFucking it's also not torture porn just more degradation, and they used to get known named girls, but the last 4-5 years they only deal with no name amateurs that do there stuff and disappear. I don't know what you're saying about Riley Reid, but as i've said American porn is scene based not movie based, if majority of what the JAV industry sold was individual scenes then the same would happen in Japan, American industry went from movie based, and very creative to scene based and less creative, and since there are very few contract stars then girls going around to different studios isn't that big of a deal

CuckoldSessions is what you're talking about, that's cucking, and there's a lot of stuff like that around not just dogfart, and the other thing is Facial Abuse/FaceFucking it's also not torture porn just more degradation, and they used to get known named girls, but the last 4-5 years they only deal with no name amateurs that do there stuff and disappear. I don't know what you're saying about Riley Reid, but as i've said American porn is scene based not movie based, if majority of what the JAV industry sold was individual scenes then the same would happen in Japan, American industry went from movie based, and very creative to scene based and less creative, and since there are very few contract stars then girls going around to different studios isn't that big of a deal

riley reid is pretty much the American version of Ai uehara. Not lookswise, but they've done a lot swallowings, creampies, interracial, and gb. She even have a boyfriend that's "ok" with it. There's still a decent amount of stories for those teen schoolgirls, babysitters, cheating wives, and racist/stereotypical scenes featuring Asians and Latinas . Digital playground used to put some budget in their movie like porn parodies. Nowadays, it's easier to implement some reality show aspect in to porn like more mock interviews and fans pickup. The only pornstars that gets big fast are those that are caught in scandals like Mia khalifa, belle Knox, library girl, and a teen mom. In Japan, it's usually because they're ex idols or come from some prominent family. However, like Japan, mingling withing a celebrity cheating scandal usually kill their careers somehow like tiger wood and Charlie sheen's goddesses.

 

[jwlim80]

So do we have a western porn star that are marketed as very ordinary, clean cut and even innocent off screen with no emphasis on her sluttiness. As part of that projected image, she should not overdo her makup, spot no tatoo and not seen smoking and her porn background would be played down with little to no mention in public appearances. Would that have work in the west ?

Now the impression I have is that such marketing tactic might be seen as hypocritical in the west where people are educated to be individualistic and be true to oneself. Whereas in the east, people are raised to confine to societal norms, values and virtues, sacrificing one individualism.

 

[silent1one]

So do we have a western porn star that are marketed as very ordinary, clean cut and even innocent off screen with no emphasis on her sluttiness. As part of that projected image, she should not overdo her makup, spot no tatoo and not seen smoking and her porn background would be played down with little to no mention in public appearances. Would that have work in the west ?

Now the impression I have is that such marketing tactic might be seen as hypocritical in the west where people are educated to be individualistic and be true to oneself. Whereas in the east, people are raised to confine to societal norms, values and virtues, sacrificing one individualism.

Asian fans are more obssess with av idols possesing a "pure" personality, which include girls speaking very feminine and acts very obedient, so at events they always present themselves as very cheerful to their fans in public. in contrast, us pornstars are more carefree without much restrictions, so they doesnt need to behave themselves on and offscreen. They can smoke, get tats and implant, & even speak profanity as much as they want. In some cases, they share their relationship status and allow fans to play around with them at conventions.

 

[jwlim80]

Asian fans are more obssess with av idols possesing a "pure" personality, which include girls speaking very feminine and acts very obedient, so at events they always present themselves as very cheerful to their fans in public. in contrast, us pornstars are more carefree without much restrictions, so they doesnt need to behave themselves on and offscreen. They can smoke, get tats and implant, & even speak profanity as much as they want. In some cases, they share their relationship status and allow fans to play around with them at conventions.

But would the easten marketing tactic work in west ? As it stands, Japanesr AV idols who play innocent to appeal to masses are bigger in their homebase than their western counterparts who are being true to themselves for their small circle of followers.