Why do most Jav porn stars have zero dignity?

NYBpro

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Well, I think this is not objective but from my point of view, Japan is a pretty weird country. For example, many Japanese men like small, childlike actresses instead of actresses with a beautiful face and a beautiful grown-up body, which I find pretty disturbing. And disgusting stuff like urination, humiliation... are also loved by many.
If there were not that many filthy weirdos, I believe they wouldn't produce those kinds of scene.

I hear ya. I'm a big fan of Gravure Idols. The non nude style of videos. But only the ones that are 18 or over. Sometimes I'll get fooled and a girl will be 16 or 17. But as for child like, yea, not sure how that's even allowed. But that's for another discussion that I'm sure has been brought up many times here.
 

EroMura777

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And disgusting stuff like urination, humiliation... are also loved by many.
If there were not that many filthy weirdos, I believe they wouldn't produce those kinds of scene.

But those kinds of movies are not usual in Japan, and they usually aren't in the top sold list when they're out. Plus, USA also has Kink, that produces very niche and fetish content, for example Hardcore Gangbang, Public Disgrace, Electrosluts... If the market was big enough there would be more big companies doing that, but I suppose the profit is rather scarce.
 
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Hans Kowalski

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Off topic but whatever: Yuu Kawakami is awesome. Seriously, she has gotten so much prettier with age. She looked really average in her debuts (maybe it was the hair?), but now she's legendary. She's up there with the greatest and I hope ten years from now she still is happily active.

I think early on, when she was still going by the name Morino Something, she had the problem of getting cast into schoolgirl roles, while not looking young enough, but she also didn't look quite mature enough to be cast in MILF roles. And yeah, the hair as well.

You're the one with the japanese knowledge. Going by Google Translate it sounds like her transition from loli to more mature roles is the reason she had her re-debut under a new name but you can never believe Google Translate.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/川上ゆう
 

darksider59

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It varies from girl to girl. I think it is rare to see an S-class actress willing to do everything. For example, many are willing to do bukkake, but not gokkun. Even anal is not common, which is basic in US porn.

For US /western porn: As if sucking and fucking a strangers cock on video for money involves any dignity at all. They sometimes also give the dudes rimjobs. Gotta have a lot of dignity to do that, don't you ;)



Most JAV porn stars will do anything? I object. High class actresses are rarely into Scat / Piss scenes. Check the girls from S1 / Ideapocket / SOD, I'd be surprised to find anything like that there.
It has become even less over the last few years, e.g. there used to be way more piss scenes in the mid to late 2000s.
The actresses you talk about are low tier mostly, and they are not really "JAV stars".
They probably aren't getting offered other jobs by the studios. Probably because their films didnt sell well enough, then they'll do that kind of stuff. Somehow they gotta pay their bills, and going into a "normal" job might be difficult, and maybe they don't want to.

I agree. Other members wrote the same thing too. Attractive girls don't need to do weird theme movies to get money. When I see a cover from weird movie (even sometime "just" gokkun), the girl isn't attractive and probably just does it because she isn't enough pretty to sell movies in regular studios.
 

Hans Kowalski

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I agree. Other members wrote the same thing too. Attractive girls don't need to do weird theme movies to get money. When I see a cover from weird movie (even sometime "just" gokkun), the girl isn't attractive and probably just does it because she isn't enough pretty to sell movies in regular studios.

And then there was Ai Uehara, who, apart from scat (And I'm not sure if she ever got peed on.) did all the extreme stuff, despite being number 1.
 

paparoach408

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And then there was Ai Uehara, who, apart from scat (And I'm not sure if she ever got peed on.) did all the extreme stuff, despite being number 1.

Maria Ozawa back in her day was on top doing everything, don't know(or want to know) if she did scat, but she did pretty much everything also
 

ekop

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You do know that they're often use fake sperm, piss and shit right?
 

NYBpro

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You do know that they're often use fake sperm, piss and shit right?
I don;t know, I don;t watch them to find out. I see the box cover. And when I see a dude bending over and turds pouring out his butt hole. I can pretty much guess that's real
 

ekop

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I don;t know, I don;t watch them to find out. I see the box cover. And when I see a dude bending over and turds pouring out his butt hole. I can pretty much guess that's real

I also don't watch scat movie but it's all a common knowledge of JAV world ... they even fake penetration in some movies
 

princeali692

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To me the ones that most people consider very beutiful are boring and not that beutiful to me. Girls that do gokkun, gangbangs and do the nasty stuff more are way hotter to me. Aoi Rena is a perfect example. I have a fetish for her now since shes been in several gokkun and irrumatio movies.

The question of whether or not these women have dignity comes down to this question: Is a woman who gets pissed on sucks on man ass worthy of respect? I am certainly able to respect them. If roles were reversed and it is a man who wants to get pissed on by women does he have no dignity? Do the men in porn lack dignity too? I think that logically you can only think everyone involved in porn can have dignity or they don't. And thats based on an individuals own values.
 
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NYBpro

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To me the ones that most people consider very beutiful are boring and not that beutiful to me. Girls that do gokkun, gangbangs and do the nasty stuff more are way hotter to me. Aoi Rena is a perfect example. I have a fetish for her now since shes been in several gokkun and irrumatio movies.

The question of whether or not these women have dignity comes down to this question: Is a woman who gets pissed on sucks on man ass worthy of respect? I am certainly able to respect them. If roles were reversed and it is a man who wants to get pissed on by women does he have no dignity? Do the men in porn lack dignity too? I think that logically you can only think everyone involved in porn can have dignity or they don't. And thats based on an individuals own values.

From the looks of your avatar. I can guess that the weird stuff is ok with you. And the girl in that picture has zero dignity that for certain LoL
 

darksider59

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And then there was Ai Uehara, who, apart from scat (And I'm not sure if she ever got peed on.) did all the extreme stuff, despite being number 1.

True but wasn't it always with big studios ? Like Moodiz for anal gang bang etc ... I also know that Tsubomi did 1 or 2 movies were guys pee on her and where she throws up due to deepthroat (fake or not, I don't know). But it was in her first years and she's still active now and still hot as hell.

You do know that they're often use fake sperm, piss and shit right?

Sometimes, I'm really not sure if it's fake or not. Last exemple is this one (I was browsing Miho Tsuno movies):

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To me the ones that most people consider very beutiful are boring and not that beutiful to me. Girls that do gokkun, gangbangs and do the nasty stuff more are way hotter to me. Aoi Rena is a perfect example. I have a fetish for her now since shes been in several gokkun and irrumatio movies.

It depends on what you like for sure.
 

hypemx7

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Majority of the stuff that's being discussed is fake.
The censorship laws / censor / mosaic-thingy helps them pull off a lot of "realistic" things.
So when shit (pun intended) isn't real dignity doesn't really come into consideration.

Contrary to Porn, which is pretty much gonzo now,
JAV was and thankfully still is selling erotic fantasies rather than straight banging, catering to a large spectrum of fetishes.
Albeit the acting isn't that great and the plot is sometimes shotty, however compared to porn, it's like watching an Academy nominated film.
Also take into consideration that we have a shit-ton (pun intended) of fetish porn in the states.
It's just not mainstream, and sold via fetish sites. And there is an ever increasing demand for amateur fetish porn in the states.
I briefly worked for one of the amateur fetish studios (editing, not the talent), and I still keep in contact with the owners.
They're making around $25,000 a month in sales.
One may think that's not a lot, but a small amateur porn studio making that much isn't a possibility in the current mainstream porn economy.
Just goes to show how many people actually watch such content.
Japanese porn studios and the Japanese mainstream porn market in general is being more efficient by catering towards an ever growing niche market,
which the US porn studios and mainstream market has failed to do (and are regretting).

In terms of how Japanese people are weird, Asian chicks are crazy, and shit along those lines, everyone here is searching for porn.
We're looking at a very narrow set of data/info while we're roaming online.
Send me a link to an academic peer-review journal article from University of Tokyo stating how Japanese women in Osaka suffer more mental illnesses than their counterparts in Austin TX, then maybe, I'll be receptive towards thinking Asian women are more crazy.
Cultures can differ to a certain extent, but cultures that have a comparable socio-economic standing do not differ extremely.

Claiming random shit from the internet, or from a very narrow field of research, as normative, is like stating that all Americans are dimwits because of Trump.
The convoluted election mechanism called the electoral college, and prevalence of far right fictional sources of information, led to Trump.
There were more ballots/voters for Hillary.

Anyways, sorry for the long post.
I become a porn scholar when I simultaneously indulge in JAV/Porn and in new strains from my local dispensary

Conclusion:
Plenty of weird shit from a lot of different countries.
No one culture or country has a monopoly over it.
Except tentacle porn. Japan is pretty much #1 in that game, no doubt.
 

Inertia

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Good points hypemx7.

Issue with tentacle porn is you can't even process for it in USA. Monsters, zombies, etc. are no good. Basically we're almost at the point where when sex is involved, it's only OK if the girl is like the R.Kelly girl in the Chappelle's Show skit (smiling while holding two forms of ID's while R.Kelly's grandma confirms their identifies and Neil taking notes in the background).
 
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demonknight

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Porn will always try to push the boundaries of fetishes and there will always be customers willing to pay for stuff which regular porn loving dudes would balk at and there will always be women desperate enough for the money to do crazy stuff on film.

One man's weirdness might be another man's normalcy.

What to do but forget that you accidentally saw that scat cover while you were browsing on javlibrary and focus on the magnificence of good ol' porn :)
 
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princeali692

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Majority of the stuff that's being discussed is fake.
The censorship laws / censor / mosaic-thingy helps them pull off a lot of "realistic" things.
So when shit (pun intended) isn't real dignity doesn't really come into consideration.

Contrary to Porn, which is pretty much gonzo now,
JAV was and thankfully still is selling erotic fantasies rather than straight banging, catering to a large spectrum of fetishes.
Albeit the acting isn't that great and the plot is sometimes shotty, however compared to porn, it's like watching an Academy nominated film.
Also take into consideration that we have a shit-ton (pun intended) of fetish porn in the states.
It's just not mainstream, and sold via fetish sites. And there is an ever increasing demand for amateur fetish porn in the states.
I briefly worked for one of the amateur fetish studios (editing, not the talent), and I still keep in contact with the owners.
They're making around $25,000 a month in sales.
One may think that's not a lot, but a small amateur porn studio making that much isn't a possibility in the current mainstream porn economy.
Just goes to show how many people actually watch such content.
Japanese porn studios and the Japanese mainstream porn market in general is being more efficient by catering towards an ever growing niche market,
which the US porn studios and mainstream market has failed to do (and are regretting).

In terms of how Japanese people are weird, Asian chicks are crazy, and shit along those lines, everyone here is searching for porn.
We're looking at a very narrow set of data/info while we're roaming online.
Send me a link to an academic peer-review journal article from University of Tokyo stating how Japanese women in Osaka suffer more mental illnesses than their counterparts in Austin TX, then maybe, I'll be receptive towards thinking Asian women are more crazy.
Cultures can differ to a certain extent, but cultures that have a comparable socio-economic standing do not differ extremely.

Claiming random shit from the internet, or from a very narrow field of research, as normative, is like stating that all Americans are dimwits because of Trump.
The convoluted election mechanism called the electoral college, and prevalence of far right fictional sources of information, led to Trump.
There were more ballots/voters for Hillary.

Anyways, sorry for the long post.
I become a porn scholar when I simultaneously indulge in JAV/Porn and in new strains from my local dispensary

Conclusion:
Plenty of weird shit from a lot of different countries.
No one culture or country has a monopoly over it.
Except tentacle porn. Japan is pretty much #1 in that game, no doubt.

Interesting and great analysis but please keep the politics out. The electoral college was created for a reason and I'm sorry your girl didn't win.
 

dinhbang123

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Just your favourite actresses have zero dignity doesn't mean almost honestly, or your taste is on deep ground of JAV industry. If your taste is Mature/ r***/ SM or Uncensored Vids, someday you will have to deal with those zero dignity, to avoid it, just stay with S1 or IP or <put a studio here> and stay away from Attackers and <put a studio here> (that's the only r*** studio i ever known, maybe i am still too softcore to compare with you guy, huh.)