A... Gay thread?!?!

[lowleg26]

Well considering that only 52 out of the 330,046 members have voted, you might want to wait a bit yet

Plus, the poll has only been up for 2 days. A lot of members may not have even seen it.

Also consider that this poll appears randomly on the main page and people can vote without viewing or participating in the discussion. They may be giving a knee-jerk reaction instead of actually thinking about it, and, unfortunately, you can't change your vote once cast.

The answer seems to be a resounding no

At the time of this post the voting stands at 21 yea, 31 nay. I wouldn't call that a "resounding" no at all; its actually pretty close.

 

[thisismyname]

The votes were more than double yesterday 14-30, now we aren't getting anymore votes for no today, only yes. I urge people to vote no and no it's not discrimination or opression at all. It's simply not necessary to have a subforum because homosexuls would like to have more gay porn on the site. I find it strange how many homosexuals lurks here on the site all these years. There was no gay section to begin with and what are they downloading? Mostly U-15 stuff? It's not even the right gender and also this jav stuff, maybe they are downloading this new half thing I've heard from this thread. Now we will have alot more gay content on the site with a new subforum, if that's what you want. Don't make it seem like the rest of us has to accept or acknowledge your default preferences or acknowledge any sort of equality. Trust me, gay people wins every battle against the government, sites and everywhere when you try to oppose them. I wouldn't be surprised if they get their way with new policies they want, they always do. Ultimately it shouldn't be up to a vote, rather it's the admin's choice more than anything. Really even if it's not part of the rules, it's more of a don't ask don't tell policy imo, let a few gay threads slide. Now they are openly demanding a new subforum for it.

Not having a gay section and them labelling the material appropriately on the normal sections of the forum is the lesser of the two evils figurately speaking. It's less work to create a subforum and once you change it, there is no going back, your going to get a ton of new gay porn posted on the forum changing the reputation of the forum a bit, if that's what you want. Also I have nothing against gays because that's none of my business. Yet i'm only saying my opinion because it is my business when they want to open shop and get everyone to acknowledge their default preferences and accept that. Even if you don't care, just vote no please, to keep things the way they are. I say all this with respect, don't think I dislike anyone or any type, I just disagree with them.

 

[Aqua2213]

Not having a gay section and them labelling the material appropriately on the normal sections of the forum is the lessor of the two evils, figurately speaking. It's less work to create a subforum and once you change it, there is no going back, your going to get a ton of new gay porn posted on the forum changing the reputation of the forum a bit, if that's what you want. Also I have nothing against gays snicker because that's none of my business. Yet i'm only saying my opinion because it is my business when they want to open shop and get everyone to acknowledge their default preferences and accept that.

Trust me, gay people wins every battle against the government, sites and everywhere when you try to oppose them. I wouldn't be surprised if they get their way, they always do.

Yeah, you don't want the Gays to have the same rights like the Heteros do and always have.
The rights they have now didn't come easy for them. They campaigned long and hard and still do.

"once you change it, there is no going back, your going to get a ton of new gay porn posted on the forum changing the reputation of the forum a bit,"

This phase seems very familiar. Like maybe back in the sixties when blacks started moving into dominant white areas ....."There goes the neighborhood"!

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It seems that so far it's only non gay people leaning towards the yes side here on this thread and I haven't read one post from a real live gay person on this thread yet.

I don't think that there are any truly Gay male members here at Akiba. I mean why? :dunno:

I don't belong to any Gay forums because that is not my orientation. Makes sense...

I think that there are many bi-sexual males here though, and they are the ones who might benefit from a pretty lavender subforum for some "c0ck du jour" to go along with their "filet-O-fish pie".

So who exactly would like to see a Gay subforum because they actually like the material?

Why aren't you voting....and voting YES and speaking your mind?

 

[thisismyname]

Yeah, you don't want the Gays to have the same rights like the Heteros do and always have.
The rights they have now didn't come easy for them. They campaigned long and hard and still do.

"once you change it, there is no going back, your going to get a ton of new gay porn posted on the forum changing the reputation of the forum a bit,"

This phase seems very familiar. Like maybe back in the sixties when blacks started moving into dominant white areas ....."There goes the neighborhood"!

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It seems that so far it's only non gay people leaning towards the yes side here on this thread and I haven't read one post from a real live gay person on this thread yet.

I don't think that there are any truly Gay male members here at Akiba. I mean why? :dunno:

I don't belong to any Gay forums because that is not my orientation. Makes sense...

I think that there are many bi-sexual males here though, and they are the ones who might benefit from a pretty lavender subforum for some "c0ck du jour" to go along with their "filet-O-fish pie".

So who exactly would like to see a Gay subforum because they actually like the material?

Why aren't you voting....and voting YES and speaking your mind?

I didn't realise that was a possibility. Although there might be a few homosexuals here lurking, maybe your right about bisexuals. I honestly had no idea, there are so many though if they are voting for a gay thread. You might be onto something there.

Then again I sort of don't belive in bisexuality, I just think it's homosexuals that are pretending they are straight too. It's the same for women, who are lesbians who pretends to also like men. Are there really peole out there that's attracted to both sex equally? If there is I have no idea. Of course I didn't mean to offend anyone with the comment, I simply don't know. It does explain the votes though and why others want a gay section of the forum. Also I just went to yahoo answers and people there said they aren't faking it like closet homosexuals, rather they are genuinely attracted to both sexes. Well that explains alot and why there are people out there who wants a gay subforum.

 

[shadeofgray]

we don´t like this stuff to be posted here.

I think the first question that needs answering (and redrooster probably answered it here) is whether there are mods willing to moderate gay section. If there aren't any, then all this talk is unnecessary. If there are, then why not since there appear to be willing contributors, and like Aqua I also think there are plenty of bi-sexual guys here who wouldn't mind going there.

I don't visit AV section, I'm a delicate flower and easily frightened, so my vote amounts to nothing, but my view goes along the line of Lowleg26's and Gaiarth's. If it doesn't materialize because no one will moderate it or because of low interest, that's fine. But if it's just because that kind of stuff has no place here, that's fine also but than I'll be disappointed also.

I guess it's one of (oh so many) human banes where we accept ''weirdness'' only up to our subjective level of weird. But no one is immune to that. Human all too human.

Why aren't you voting....and voting YES and speaking your mind?

What is this forum about? Looking at the number of threads in the Torrent Station and Direct Downloads, vast majority seems to be about various Japanese oriented sexual ''depravities''. Doesn't Japanese gay porn qualify? I think it does and I also think it has more right being here than some of other material posted.

That's my two cents.

 

[doc32173]

Somebody asked for somebody who voted yes to speak up. I voted yes. I am bisexual, and I like such content. That's why I voted yes. It's pretty simple for me.

I can understand why AO would not want to create another subforum for gay content. It would change the character of the site in that the composition of the crowd might be different, but I can't imagine what harm would come about from it. Gay content is easily avoided. For example, I don't like scat. It's pretty disgusting to me, but I don't get worked up about it. Even if a cover preview shows up, it's not like I barf all over the screen. I understand that sexual orientation is probably a little more intrinsic to one's identity than a fetish, but I think the analogy still holds.

To anybody who looks at my history and notices that I just registered, it's because the name of the account that I voted on and usually use is way too old and I've used it for other things. I would rather not have a post in this thread and the account itself connected back to me, so I decided to get a new name that I'm committing to porn things only. I didn't vote on my second account, so I'm not vote bombing.

Not that I contributed much on my old account anyways. I never had a source of JAVs, so I didn't feel like I could contribute much of anything other than thanks.

 

[Desu]

I voted yes. I am bisexual, and I like such content. That's why I voted yes. It's pretty simple for me.

and at last we have somebody who talks for his own interests, and not just because he needs to be polite about others!

gay/bi people should vote YES
straight people should vote NO

i don't really see the need for all this white-knighting

and btw... we all know that this will end up in nothing, because i don't think that even 1000 votes -and we'll never reach that- would be representative of the 330K total users

 

[doc32173]

gay/bi people should vote YES
straight people should vote NO

Well I think it's a little different than that. Say we were voting on whether to allow scat. By this criteria, people who don't like scat should vote NO and everybody who does should vote YES.

I would bet that the proportion of people who like scat is significantly smaller than those who do not, so it would get voted down. Apply this to other fetishes, and eventually we have a board that only has straight vanilla porn and no fetishes at all. Clearly, AO has more than just straight vanilla porn, so there is a place on AO for minority fetishes.

In that situation I would vote yes, even though I don't like scat, because I don't feel that its okay to ban something that would fit under a board that has porn and isn't illegal.

 

[Desu]

Well I think it's a little different than that. Say we were voting on whether to allow scat. By this criteria, people who don't like scat should vote NO and everybody who does should vote YES.

I would bet that the proportion of people who like scat is significantly smaller than those who do not, so it would get voted down. Apply this to other fetishes, and eventually we have a board that only has straight vanilla porn and no fetishes at all.

In that situation I would vote yes, even though I don't like scat, because I don't feel that its okay to ban something that would fit under a board that has porn and isn't illegal.

flawless logic, but we aren't talking about fetishes here

and even in the scenario you depicted, if i was pro-scat (a scatter?) i won't care: the net is full of niche sites which cover any existent fetish...

this is how democracy (argh!) works; if 501 out of 1000 people want scat, they'll have scat
if they were only 100, they'd have to go somewhere else to find it

 

[thisismyname]

If there is a scat video with a real women in it, it's deemed to be straight and a fetish. Which maybe abnormal, however it has nothing to do with this thread, which is about sexuality, not straight fetishes and voting for a gay subforum. We aren't voting on what others don't like, we are voting for a gay subforum and with the word gay, we are talking about other stuff relating to homosexuality and bisexuality. No one should throw the word fetish here because it's completely unrelated. It's still under straight porn, even if it's not appealing.

gay/bi people should vote YES
straight people should vote NO

Agreed. By the way the votes are going, there hasn't been one more no vote yet for today and a ton of yes votes. I wasn't aware there were so many bisexuals here.

 

[Ceewan]

Well I think it's a little different than that. Say we were voting on whether to allow scat. By this criteria, people who don't like scat should vote NO and everybody who does should vote YES.

I would bet that the proportion of people who like scat is significantly smaller than those who do not, so it would get voted down. Apply this to other fetishes, and eventually we have a board that only has straight vanilla porn and no fetishes at all. Clearly, AO has more than just straight vanilla porn, so there is a place on AO for minority fetishes.

In that situation I would vote yes, even though I don't like scat, because I don't feel that its okay to ban something that would fit under a board that has porn and isn't illegal.

That is silly. The question in the poll is Should akiba-online have a subforum for gay JAV/male idols?

That is very straight forward. Why would anyone vote for a subforum they would not visit or contribute to? Only vote yes if this is something you are interested in seeing at Akiba-Online. Voting yes for any other reason is just plain idiotic.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with being supportive of the gay community. But this poll is not about that at all. It is merely an attempt to gauge what interest other members have of such a subforum being opened and maintained here at A-O and perhaps to here some input from those interested and opposed. It has nothing to do with whether anyone thinks a gay subforum has the right to exist here.

 

[lowleg26]

Shadeofgray and doc32173 seem to be following the same logic I did (which is actually pretty solid despite claims to the contrary).

I'll take another shot at explaining things. And believe me, I'm breaking down the argument as far as I fucking can! This explanation comes in the form of a question. Consider this:

Lets say chompy is redoing akiba, and is making up the sections. He's looking at 3 different types of porno. We'll call them porno types A, B, and C. All the pornos are legit, legal, and fit within the rules he already has in place.

Porno type A is liked by the majority of the people on the site. It's definitely getting a section!

Porno types B and C are only liked by SOME of the people on the site. Some people who like type A, also like type B or C. Some people like all three!

Porno type B is getting its own section DESPITE being liked by only SOME of the people on the site.

Porno type C is NOT getting its own section BECAUSE it is only liked by SOME of the people on the site. Furthermore, porno type C is going to be disallowed for those SAME REASONS.

How does this scenario make sense?

Question #387: If all meeps are moops, and all moops are.......*ack* sorry, blacked out for a second...

That's the scenario as I see it. No, its not about fetishes. But its not about "sexuality" either. It's quite literally just about porno. Any claims that the act of adding a new section or sub-forum would result in the site turning into a completely different place are totally baseless. If you have that little faith in the admin here, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

 

[EzikialRage]

I think the idea of a gay subforum is a good idea.I can not read Japanese(and even if it is english I do not necessarily know how to distinguish a female name from a male name),so its bad enough that half the threads I have to open in new tab to see what they what they are and the last thing I want to see is some male idol or jav star or some tranny. So I think creating a subforum section will help have a place for all that stuff and so those of us who do not know Japanese and not into gay stuff do not go wandering in there.



Now the lesbian stuff that can be kept where they are now.:nosebleed:

 

[Rollyco]

If you ask me. a whole subforum dedicated to a genre that will likely only see a trickle of activity is overkill (cf. the whole "boy junior idol" storm in a teacup controversy.)

 

[lowleg26]

If you ask me. a whole subforum dedicated to a genre that will likely only see a trickle of activity is overkill (cf. the whole "boy junior idol" storm in a teacup controversy.)

First, let me state that I'm not posting this rhetorically to rebut your statement. But can you (or any mod/admin) comment on the questions I posted a day or so ago? I'm honestly curious about the magnitude of the workload this would cause. I'll post the questions here, again.

how much time and effort would have to put into the creation of the new section? Or, more bluntly, how much of a hassle is it? Is this something that takes an hour, an afternoon, or a weekend? If we're talking some kind of massive overhaul, that adds a new dimension to the discussion.

Also, would it be possible to have a gay section on a trial basis, just to test the waters and see if it does draw new members or get traffic?

Would moderating a new section be a huge inconvenience to staff?

Lastly, If there were a trial section and it tanked, how much work goes into tearing down the new area?

 

[IdolFun]

What I'd like to get some clarification on is this, how much time and effort would have to put into the creation of the new section? Or, more bluntly, how much of a hassle is it? Is this something that takes an hour, an afternoon, or a weekend? If we're talking some kind of massive overhaul, that adds a new dimension to the discussion.

A few minutes i would guess

Would moderating a new section be a huge inconvenience to staff?

Like Rollyco said it probably would not get alot of activity so it should not be to much work.

Lastly, If there were a trial section and it tanked, how much work goes into tearing down the new area?

Not alot at all just delete the stuff

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Making a Club for it would work

 

[xChubbyDollx]

Gay porn can be kinda hot if I'm not in the mood to see any vaginas/boobies... erfectplan:

 

[LTO]

I don't really see any need for this. If you're going to start allowing gay porn just because some people are gay, why not go all the way and allow porn from around the world? Copyright issues aside, that would be a smaller change than this, not that I endorse that either.

Gay porn is just not what I come here for and I'm sure that the gay and bi people on this site already know of other sites they can get that stuff from, so I voted no and I encourage anyone else who likes AO as it is to do the same.

 

[vladcaflava]

no . . :donotwant:

i hope there's no gay thread in akiba lease:

 

[shadeofgray]

That is silly. The question in the poll is Should akiba-online have a subforum for gay JAV/male idols?

That is very straight forward. Why would anyone vote for a subforum they would not visit or contribute to? Only vote yes if this is something you are interested in seeing at Akiba-Online. Voting yes for any other reason is just plain idiotic.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with being supportive of the gay community. But this poll is not about that at all. It is merely an attempt to gauge what interest other members have of such a subforum being opened and maintained here at A-O and perhaps to here some input from those interested and opposed. It has nothing to do with whether anyone thinks a gay subforum has the right to exist here.

To me the question is also straight forward, but I seem to have understood it differently. I thought the question is about whether we think a gay subforum has the right to be here.

If the question was Would you participate in a gay subforum? Then I'd vote ''no'', and I would expect that every hetero male vote ''no'' also. I guess I'm splitting hair, but that's how I saw it.