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Supmop

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Sometimes, it's really surprising how popularity rises or not.

yes

sometimes our preferences might be different from majority of JAV fans

funtastic girls like Ichika Kuroki, Yui Oba, Saya Niiyama, Mei Kurose, Satomi Suzuki, Rina Fukada, Chika Nakamura, Risa Murakami, Kaori Saejima never reached the S class

Akari Maijima is currently a Idea Pocket girl. She's in JAV since february 2016 so it's too early to add her here or not. Plus she's apparently not full time JAV actresse (she's also a university student according to her Twitter profile). But she has around 20k followers, pretty good I think. She's genki and not afraid of taking big loads on her face (in IPZ-833, she took the biggest load I've seen in a long time and continues to suck the guy after, so hot).

Akari Maejima is good too, hope she would have long career in AV

some ex Idea Pocket girls had short career, after ID they made some uncenssored vids and disappeared :(

She decided to stop her AV career to go to university.

some of them used AV to pay for their college money, its smart I think :)

Indeed, she's retired from censored JAV, and even uncensored because she did a retirement movie Caribbeancompr 042816_549. New 1pondo movies are released, but they are Caribbean duplicates.

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don't know about that vid, but I don't think it would be her final AV
 

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Mikuni Maisaki 舞咲みくに
retired from censored JAV, and even uncensored because she did a retirement movie Caribbeancompr 042816_549. New 1pondo movies are released, but they are Caribbean duplicates.
Unfortunately I wasn't into her until very late into her uncensored phase, so I missed most of her work. Hopefully she continue working, especially uncensored. For any idol, given a choice, I'd prefer to see her in uncensored vids with mediocre production value, vs censored vids with high production value.

Another lady I'm really unclear about: Miho Tohno 通野未帆
I always have an opinion on anything, but she catches me off-balanced. Objectively she has MILF face, pretty tits but only B-cups, kinda thick in mid-section, conclusion: "kinda sorta hot MILF", which means below my demanding standard. But I can't never quite ignore her. Does she have some IT factor? Or she has same names (romanji) with a 90s gravue model messing with my head?

And then look at her DMM opus, hmm quite a few solo works, basically an A-class idol, not premium league, 4+ years of solid, but not prestigious career.

And then check her sougou page: (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c4%cc%cc%ee%cc%a4%c8%c1)
WOW 13 different aliases and looks like lots of uncredited vids. Surely she's AI, only I am still confused if I like, or care about her...
 
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Another lady I'm really unclear about: Miho Tohno 通野未帆
I always have an opinion on anything, but she catches me off-balanced. Objectively she has MILF face, pretty tits but only B-cups, kinda thick in mid-section, conclusion: "kinda sorta hot MILF", which means below my demanding standard. But I can't never quite ignore her. Does she have some IT factor? Or she has same names (romanji) with a 90s gravue model messing with my head?

And then look at her DMM opus, hmm quite a few solo works, basically an A-class idol, not premium league, 4+ years of solid, but not prestigious career.

And then check her sougou page: (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c4%cc%cc%ee%cc%a4%c8%c1)
WOW 13 different aliases and looks like lots of uncredited vids. Surely she's AI, only I am still confused if I like, or care about her...

she is surely qualified as AI, but same like you, I still can't decide if I really like her or neutral, I think her style is quite similiar with Hibiki Otsuki, but I like Hibiki much much more than Miho Tohno
 

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yes

sometimes our preferences might be different from majority of JAV fans

I guess. For example, maybe a lot of japanese JAV fans (main market) like r*** stuff where the girl is 100% passive as there are many movies like that. Not what I like. A bit passive is fine, but having no energy to suck or ride the cock is a turn off.


Akari Maejima is good too, hope she would have long career in AV

I hope so.

some ex Idea Pocket girls had short career, after ID they made some uncenssored vids and disappeared :(

Competition is tough among girls and studios probably pick girls who sell the most, so even if your sales are fine, it might be below expectations (and sometimes, if there is no promo for a new girl, how can fans be able to find about her ? It's a bit stupid)

some of them used AV to pay for their college money, its smart I think :)
Well, yes and no haha. Quick money but your past can give you troubles later. Even more if you did weird stuff I guess. Imagine a friend of the former AV girl's kid "hey, I saw your mom being slaped and fucked in every hole by 5 men on internet" VS " hey, I saw your mom playing a maid/soap girl/gf, sucking and riding a guy". Kids would have a boner seeing the former AV girl but in the first case, they would be disgusted.


don't know about that vid, but I don't think it would be her final AV

It's weird because her wikipedia page doesn't mark her as retired, neither minnano-av. Was it just a "retirement theme movie" but not a real retirement ?

Unfortunately I wasn't into her until very late into her uncensored phase, so I missed most of her work. Hopefully she continue working, especially uncensored. For any idol, given a choice, I'd prefer to see her in uncensored vids with mediocre production value, vs censored vids with high production value.

why with mediocre production ?

Another lady I'm really unclear about: Miho Tohno 通野未帆
I always have an opinion on anything, but she catches me off-balanced. Objectively she has MILF face, pretty tits but only B-cups, kinda thick in mid-section, conclusion: "kinda sorta hot MILF", which means below my demanding standard. But I can't never quite ignore her. Does she have some IT factor? Or she has same names (romanji) with a 90s gravue model messing with my head?

And then look at her DMM opus, hmm quite a few solo works, basically an A-class idol, not premium league, 4+ years of solid, but not prestigious career.

And then check her sougou page: (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c4%cc%cc%ee%cc%a4%c8%c1)
WOW 13 different aliases and looks like lots of uncredited vids. Surely she's AI, only I am still confused if I like, or care about her...

I tried to get interested into her in january. I was looking for a new girl with a slender body but I didn't find a movie that excited me that much or in which she showed good skills. Plus DOKS-316 was kinda gross (fake ? I don't know, I'm a noob in JAV fake tools). Instead, I fell for Itou Chinami. So, for me, Miho doesn't have a IT factor.
 
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I guess. For example, maybe a lot of japanese JAV fans (main market) like r*** stuff where the girl is 100% passive as there are many movies like that. Not what I like. A bit passive is fine, but having no energy to suck or ride the cock is a turn off.

same with me

our preferences are minority, we are different from most of JAV main market

I hate passive, innocent girls, who give expression they don't like it and being force to have sex, but they keep making it, means they have big market for that kind of girls

Competition is tough among girls and studios probably pick girls who sell the most, so even if your sales are fine, it might be below expectations (and sometimes, if there is no promo for a new girl, how can fans be able to find about her ? It's a bit stupid)

sometimes we can't understand how they think

sales is the main factor, same like hollywood, there are a lot of good movies (The Golden Compass, I Am Number Four, John Carter) but bring poor income and they decided not to make sequel, while there are bad movies like Twilight but bring them fortune, no matter how bad the critics they continue its sequels

Well, yes and no haha. Quick money but your past can give you troubles later. Even more if you did weird stuff I guess. Imagine a friend of the former AV girl's kid "hey, I saw your mom being slaped and fucked in every hole by 5 men on internet" VS " hey, I saw your mom playing a maid/soap girl/gf, sucking and riding a guy". Kids would have a boner seeing the former AV girl but in the first case, they would be disgusted.

yes, thats the consequence, but its quick way to get a lot of money by them self, I have respect to those girls than they force her family to pay for their college

of course normal porn reputation are better :)

It's weird because her wikipedia page doesn't mark her as retired, neither minnano-av. Was it just a "retirement theme movie" but not a real retirement ?

I think so, its only a theme

after a lot of ex AV idols made comeback, more difficult to believe they had real retirement vid
 

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same with me

our preferences are minority, we are different from most of JAV main market

I hate passive, innocent girls, who give expression they don't like it and being force to have sex, but they keep making it, means they have big market for that kind of girls

At least the market is wide enough for us to find themes and girls we like.

sales is the main factor, same like hollywood, there are a lot of good movies (The Golden Compass, I Am Number Four, John Carter) but bring poor income and they decided not to make sequel, while there are bad movies like Twilight but bring them fortune, no matter how bad the critics they continue its sequels

So true !


yes, thats the consequence, but its quick way to get a lot of money by them self, I have respect to those girls than they force her family to pay for their college

I agree, at least they try to be independent.

I think so, its only a theme

after a lot of ex AV idols made comeback, more difficult to believe they had real retirement vid

I see. Let's hope Maisaki Mikuni will come back soon.
 
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At least the market is wide enough for us to find themes and girls we like.

yes, we are not majority but at least we still can get themes and girls we like :)

So true !

so sad thats many unconvetional studios, that tried fresh new ideas did not survive :(

I agree, at least they try to be independent.

yes, thats what I meant ;)

I see. Let's hope Maisaki Mikuni will come back soon.

sure, she is in my top wanted list

Satomi Suzuki and Risa Murakami have appeared again in AV, lets hope they will be very active again ;)
 
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When I saw this thread's title, what came to mind was the Nampa AVs from HOT Entertainment. Maybe the producers of those genre of AVs are actually out there on the street trying to convince 'amateurs' to do something lewd with one of their male performers, but in order to get something with genuine erotic content, they have a set-up with some female who has performed in another AV. They just depend that you and I will not recall seeing her in any other AV. :rolleyes:
 
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When I saw this thread's title, what came to mind was the Nampa AVs from HOT Entertainment. Maybe the producers of those genre of AVs are actually out there on the street trying to convince 'amateurs' to do something lewd with one of their male performers, but in order to get something with genuine erotic content, they have a set-up with some female who has performed in another AV. They just depend that you and I will not recall seeing her in any other AV. :rolleyes:

not only Hot entertainment many other studios that making nampa vids will try to fool us with their "amateurs"

in internet era its easy to notice if the girls are performing in AV regularly or not
 
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When I saw this thread's title, what came to mind was the Nampa AVs from HOT Entertainment. Maybe the producers of those genre of AVs are actually out there on the street trying to convince 'amateurs' to do something lewd with one of their male performers, but in order to get something with genuine erotic content, they have a set-up with some female who has performed in another AV. They just depend that you and I will not recall seeing her in any other AV. :rolleyes:
Nice to have another member joining the discussion! Exactly, there are these nampa vids, some are "honest" vids with idol's name right on the cover, so you know, say Julia is a real world AV vet playing as an innocent civilian (or nurse or teacher or investigator). There are also these fake nampa like Rion is "tricked" into a intimate relationship and have sex only to find out the guy was a male actor and those intimate sessions is being sold as porn. Then there's these kind of nampa that claim to attract "real" civilian girls into sex. I don't think anyone would REALLY believe they are real. But you know... some doublethink may help your enjoying JAV.

After saying all 100% nampa vids are fake, there may still be two level of fakes. If you really browse into Sougouwiki you see some vids have these familiar faces or anonymous idols acting as civilians, but other vids from the same studios/series may star someone called "2nd year university student Mari" or "housewife (28 years old)". Sometimes one of these are really hot and I dig around for more vids of her and got... nothing. It could be that these are true real world one-timers who shoot one (or a few) vid and quit, and managed to escape identification by even the dedicated snoops at Sougouwiki.
 

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Then there's these kind of nampa that claim to attract "real" civilian girls into sex. I don't think anyone would REALLY believe they are real. But you know... some doublethink may help your enjoying JAV.

Just with the STD problem, if they don't use condom, it's not safe at all to creampie a real civilian girl (plus, what if she doesn't know anything about birth control pill ? Way too risky).
 
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After saying all 100% nampa vids are fake, there may still be two level of fakes. If you really browse into Sougouwiki you see some vids have these familiar faces or anonymous idols acting as civilians, but other vids from the same studios/series may star someone called "2nd year university student Mari" or "housewife (28 years old)". Sometimes one of these are really hot and I dig around for more vids of her and got... nothing. It could be that these are true real world one-timers who shoot one (or a few) vid and quit, and managed to escape identification by even the dedicated snoops at Sougouwiki.

some might be one and doners, but some others are semi pro or do porn occasionally, its much more easy for them to escape identification because they did not do porn regularly, they still far from famous, not many people know them and they used a lot of stage names

usually the really hot & pretty ones are performed in more than 1 vids, we just need to search more further, based on my experience if we lucky we find at least 2-3 more vids
 

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[QU new here but I read alot of ur replays and they r kind of unique and show a wide experience and knowledge of this genre thanks 4 all of those replays reading them was fun OTE="ding73ding, post: 3458773, member: 258377"]I thought I had a good general knowledge of JAV, but there’s this one thing that I only gradually discovering. I don’t quite understand it yet and I don’t know if there’s a name for it. After puzzling for weeks, literally, I just came up with a phrase for it: Anonymous Idol.

What is it? An Anonymous Idol (AI) is a performer who work full time and appear in many vids (I'd say an absolute minimum of 6 a year, but I guess 20+ per year isn't uncommon). Most often an AI's vid is not a solo work, so she either perform in a scene only or she's in a group sex scene with other idols. An AI isn't totally unknown, the ones that I like tend to be good enough to put out a solo work or two. But in order to qualify as "anonymous" an AI should be mostly releasing vids anonymously as a fake amateur.

Well what are these vids? Classic examples are Magic Mirror Bus, Apache, Hunter, ATOM, VRTM, certain SOD titles. Basically the best labels or studios in the amateur or fake amateur game. I'm interested in these titles and AI's because this is the intersection of the best of two worlds: amateur genre offer kinky themes and crazy/silly setup and erotic games, AI's provide high quality T&A (sometimes pretty face too), sexual skills, experience with the camera, and some degree of familiarity.

Needless to say, there is a variability or unpredictability with "amateur" vids, when I see "素人" (amateur) and "一般男女" (average men and women) I used to think (1) not very hot looking; (2) men with limp prick, women who can't ride. And often that's the case! But now that I know, it's possible to distinguish "amateur" vids which are garbage and "fake amateur" which are often better than the most prestigious series.

The other aspect that's making me create this separate thread is that it's not the easiest thing to track this particular genre. DMM (and almost all other info sites just rip their data from DMM) don't list the idol's names for amateur vids and don't list those vids under the tag by idol's name. So the only reliable way to track it is to go to sougouwiki.com using either DVD code (if you have an amateur vid but need to find out or confirm the idols) or idol's name in Japanese. Many AI's have multiple stage names which compounds the problem but luckily Sougouwiki track those. (HINT: click on the radio button ページ名 for idol's name) For fans not comfortable with Japanese, it's pretty annoying. This factor distinguish AI's from regular idols who may once in a while dabble in fake amateur vids. E.g. 尾上若葉 Wakaba Onoue has a regular AV career so if you track her monthly releases on DMM you would have more than enough vids for your regular needs. Only if you are a completist would you care that she also makes a lot of vids as a uncredited fake amateur.

A real AI is slightly below the surface and easily escape notice of a casual AV fan. Which is how I only discover such a thing after one of my fav top idols eventually became an AI and it took me ... I'd say more than a year of despair to finally figure it out.


So let me give a few examples, fav or mine, to hopefully get more attention for these, literally, unsung heroines:
Ruru Aizawa 逢沢るる (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b0%a9%c2%f4%a4%eb%a4%eb )
Ruru is the absolute perfect example, the first few years of her career was as a SOD "female employee" (女子社員) as if her day job is as an innocent OL in the marketing department of SOD and only once (or more than once) tricked into performing sex for porn. In time she appeared enough times as female employee that she kinda got promoted to a "senior" or "veteran" status, and given a name (vids and DVD codes to add later). Finally she "graduated" and even made a few solo works with the name Ruru Aizawa and also at least one gravue book. But she didn't make it as a top idol and now (as before) you can only track her vids from Sougouwiki. Ruru has wonderful big tits, is a 3-yr veteran but is still incredibly young (she started at 19 years 1 month)

Honoka Orihara 折原ほのか (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c0%d6%b0%e6%c8%fe%b7%ee)
As Mitsuki Akai, she was once a top idol (at least in my head) and made a number of all time classics with E-Body. Then she went uncensored and quietly faded away. I was disappointed her career was so short (generally I don't lose sleep over girls who retire after a few vids) and then someone kindly alerted me to Honoka Orihara, her rebooted self. Honoka also made a number of solo works, but with less prestigious studios, and then repeated the pattern: uncensored vids and fading career. And then... finally I figured it out: she has became an AI as of about mid-2016. And for an idol who has (it seems) lost her name, she's still getting top-billing. As in, a vid with multiple idols, Honoka is usually front and centre on the DVD cover. Bottom line, her name isn't golden any more but her tits can rake in the money. The strange reality is (might be) that Honoka Orihara is still making some uncensored vids (couple times a year?) but mostly doing fake amateur vids (approaching 20 vids a year??), but the later is uncredited so most fans may only notice her as a uncensored idol (cheap whore in certain circles).

Shiori Tsukada 塚田詩織 (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%c4%cd%c5%c4%bb%ed%bf%a5)
Umi Hirose 広瀬うみ (http://sougouwiki.com/d/%b9%ad%c0%a5%a4%a6%a4%df)

I am not very familiar with these two girls, but my impression is that they also fit the bill: not very strong independent career, but regular appearance as fake amateur. Basically, AI's provide a basic guarantee of professionalism for "amateur" vids.[/QUOTE]
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This is a very interesting topic. I especially like Ruru Aizawa and I have the same question with you guys: "Why was this girl always in AI group?". And I found that maybe AV was her part-time job and she didn't want to become a full-time actress. But I think it's a clever choice. The taste of Japanese's men is so different. They have their own standard for a girl. Cute face, white skin, angel smile, evenly teeth... And Ruru's skin is a little bit dark. So, it's very hard for her to become an TOP idol.

Beside that, I read a manga about JAV industry. It called "Making AV: A sneak peek" of Youji Igawa. We will have more informations about this industry when reading it.
 

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This is a very interesting topic. I especially like Ruru Aizawa and I have the same question with you guys: "Why was this girl always in AI group?". And I found that maybe AV was her part-time job and she didn't want to become a full-time actress. But I think it's a clever choice. The taste of Japanese's men is so different. They have their own standard for a girl. Cute face, white skin, angel smile, evenly teeth... And Ruru's skin is a little bit dark. So, it's very hard for her to become an TOP idol.

Beside that, I read a manga about JAV industry. It called "Making AV: A sneak peek" of Youji Igawa. We will have more informations about this industry when reading it.

Ruru was like many girls, mostly used in group movies. It might have been her choice or lack of opportunities. She stayed in the vanilla category so I guess she wasn't in the need (for money). Maybe she was barmaid, model, underground idol at the same time so she was making enough to live the way she wanted. The girl in my avatar was in the same actress category. She did few solo movies though.