Discussion about DMM website

[Inertia]

I defend DMM a lot (check my history on this thread), but I do agree with others that if you buy an unlimited/lifetime access to a movie and it gets removed for some reason, the least they can do is allow you to replace it with a movie of lesser or equal value from a DMM-owned studio. This obviously doesn't apply if you're a channel subscriber since you're paying access to the channel itself with the knowledge that content is both added and removed on a regular basis.

 

[vietbub]

Yea, seems to be the trend these days (netflix, spotify, etc).

At least you know what their business model is. R18 literally says own it. I dont know if the term own it is different in Japan but here in the US own it means have access to it forever.

 

[vietbub]

I defend DMM a lot (check my history on this thread), but I do agree with others that if you buy an unlimited/lifetime access to a movie and it gets removed for some reason, the least they can do is allow you to replace it with a movie of lesser or equal value from a DMM-owned studio. This obviously doesn't apply if you're a channel subscriber since you're paying access to the channel itself with the knowledge that content is both added and removed on a regular basis.

R18 needs to remove the term own it. If R18/DMM can remove media then it is not "own it" I'm slightly suprised no one has reported them for this business practice.

 

[axeon73]

R18 needs to remove the term own it. If R18/DMM can remove media then it is not "own it" I'm slightly suprised no one has reported them for this business practice.

I see, didn't hear about these issues before. I believe Amazon had an issue years ago, where they deleted a particular set of Kindle books after purchase. The result was a lawsuit along w/revision of ToS. Haven't read through R18's ToS, but I'm just using it to gain access to some older videos. Just glad they have a digital copy there. Although the video compression quality is pretty atrocious on some, like they ripped it off a low quality stream themselves.

To answer my own question above regarding duplicate charges, the second charge did drop off, so it's probably typical pre-authorization behavior on your card.

 

[EroMura777]

One example would be that if you bought a porn DVD with a possible minor, which later would be proved true, you would be owning child porn, so you would be eligible to be arrested, even if you bought the DVD and you OWNED it.

 

[princeali692]

Two movies from Real Works double fellatio hell series wereremoved from r18 that I purchased. Now I always have a lot of good things to say about r18 but that kind of sucks. I looked on DMM website and they are both available their as well as on Duga. Almost every other movie from that series besides those two are available on r18. Why in the world would Real Works pull those 2 movies yet keep all the others which are exactly like it?

 

[Inertia]

princeali692: I'm really intrigued as well. It's one thing if they were pulled globally (contract issues, minor involved, etc.), but I can't fathom a reason why Top Marshal (the company that distributes KMP/Real Works titles) would ask DMM to pull them from their international site.

 

[R18.com]

@R18.com, do you guys do a double pre-authorization hold/charge when making a purchase on a credit/debit card? Does one drop off after the transaction goes through?

For DEBIT CARD ONLY there is an authorization charge (To check the credit card has founds) and this charge is refunded automatically, then the real item charge is done.

 

[R18.com]

princeali692: I'm really intrigued as well. It's one thing if they were pulled globally (contract issues, minor involved, etc.), but I can't fathom a reason why Top Marshal (the company that distributes KMP/Real Works titles) would ask DMM to pull them from their international site.

There are studios that refuse to allow DMM to sell their content overseas. Also even a studios agrees to sell overseas there could be issues between the contract between the actress and the studios to sell overseas. Certain actresses may have contracts with the studios that allow them to sell the content in Japan but not overseas. Image copyright by region is very common in any industry.

DMM is not the one that pulling of the content. The content pulled out is always with a legal reason.
Recently Japanese porn makers are having a lot of investigations and trouble as elections are coming. Here you can read a bit about it and you can read some reasons why some of the content is being removed. (Eg. An actress sues a maker, then the maker is forced to remove the content until the case ends then Maker needs to contact DMM to remove this content).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36604001

 

[vietbub]

One example would be that if you bought a porn DVD with a possible minor, which later would be proved true, you would be owning child porn, so you would be eligible to be arrested, even if you bought the DVD and you OWNED it.

In any other company they would send out a PSA email,letter, or etc. informing you of the issue and provide methods on how to legally dispose of the material. Leaving it up to the purchaser on how to deal with it. At the end of the day it should be the responsibility of the buyer on how to deal with it not the seller. You can try to put hypothetical cases all you want but it comes down to the fundamentals of "own it".

 

[Inertia]

R18.com: the issue of overseas sales shouldn't make a difference since R18 is hosted in Japan, owned by a Japanese company, and is using a Japanese payment processor--and correct me if I'm wrong with any of this. Thus selling a movie on R18.com to a user in <insert country that isn't Japan here> shouldn't make any difference contract-wise than a foreign consumer waltzing into a DVD store in Shibuya and buying the same title. I'm not calling shenanigans on the reason provided to you by Real Works/TM about why certain content is pulled. That may in fact be the reason why on their end, but it's most likely wrong and misguided and since we're dealing with content starring adults that still has mosaic, it's still legal in every shape in form regardless of who it's sold to (assuming the buyer is also of legal age).

 

[R18.com]

R18.com: the issue of overseas sales shouldn't make a difference since R18 is hosted in Japan, owned by a Japanese company, and is using a Japanese payment processor--and correct me if I'm wrong with any of this. Thus selling a movie on R18.com to a user in <insert country that isn't Japan here> shouldn't make any difference contract-wise than a foreign consumer waltzing into a DVD store in Shibuya and buying the same title. I'm not calling shenanigans on the reason provided to you by Real Works/TM about why certain content is pulled. That may in fact be the reason why on their end, but it's most likely wrong and misguided and since we're dealing with content starring adults that still has mosaic, it's still legal in every shape in form regardless of who it's sold to (assuming the buyer is also of legal age).

Who owns the company is not an issue. Distribution rights is established by region/country. DMM needs to get authorization from makers to distribute overseas.

 

[princeali692]

Can't I just purchase from DMM then and not have to at least deal with bullshit consequences due a movie being pulled because its not suppose to be sold overseas? REAL-564 and REAL-492 are both on DMM and last time I checked on Duga as well. I bought both of these movies on R18 back in January. So I can only imagine someone fucked up by posting them to R18.com when obviously they are not suppose to be (for whatever reason that may be).

I enjoy having an English language JAV site like R18 and I am very forgiving of it's flaws despite the amount of money I have sunk into it regularly since March of 2015. It just kind of irks me that both of these titles are available on DMM and not R18 despite being on R18 for at least several months. It makes no sense at all since both actresses in REAL-564 are in other Real Works movies that are still available on R18 as well. Despite who's fault this is concerning these titles the fact that this situation is even possible is fucking stupid.

Thanks,

 

[Waxaxa]

So REAL / k.m.p. just keeps pulling titles off r18 and DMM allows them to buttfuck their customers, great.

 

[Hans Kowalski]

Can't I just purchase from DMM then and not have to at least deal with bullshit consequences due a movie being pulled because its not suppose to be sold overseas? REAL-564 and REAL-492 are both on DMM and last time I checked on Duga as well. I bought both of these movies on R18 back in January. So I can only imagine someone fucked up by posting them to R18.com when obviously they are not suppose to be (for whatever reason that may be).

I enjoy having an English language JAV site like R18 and I am very forgiving of it's flaws despite the amount of money I have sunk into it regularly since March of 2015. It just kind of irks me that both of these titles are available on DMM and not R18 despite being on R18 for at least several months. It makes no sense at all since both actresses in REAL-564 are in other Real Works movies that are still available on R18 as well. Despite who's fault this is concerning these titles the fact that this situation is even possible is fucking stupid.

Thanks,

That's why I still exclusively buy from DMM, to be honest, R18 is only a viable choice if you can't navigate the japanese site at all. Most of the navigation is very straight forward though, even with little Japanese skills.

 

[princeali692]

So REAL / k.m.p. just keeps pulling titles off r18 and DMM allows them to buttfuck their customers, great.

Yep pretty much. I feel compelled to email the studio and ask what is the reasoning behind this crap. I would at least like to know the logic behind it.

That's why I still exclusively buy from DMM, to be honest, R18 is only a viable choice if you can't navigate the japanese site at all. Most of the navigation is very straight forward though, even with little Japanese skills.

Yea this seems like the only solution that makes sense. I'm not going to sink more money into things that could easily be pulled on a whim. I can understand legal issues but in this case it just seems like they pulled it for no fucking reason besides that they just dont want to sell those 2 particular videos overseas.

 

[R18.com]

Can't I just purchase from DMM then and not have to at least deal with bullshit consequences due a movie being pulled because its not suppose to be sold overseas? REAL-564 and REAL-492 are both on DMM and last time I checked on Duga as well. I bought both of these movies on R18 back in January. So I can only imagine someone fucked up by posting them to R18.com when obviously they are not suppose to be (for whatever reason that may be).

I enjoy having an English language JAV site like R18 and I am very forgiving of it's flaws despite the amount of money I have sunk into it regularly since March of 2015. It just kind of irks me that both of these titles are available on DMM and not R18 despite being on R18 for at least several months. It makes no sense at all since both actresses in REAL-564 are in other Real Works movies that are still available on R18 as well. Despite who's fault this is concerning these titles the fact that this situation is even possible is fucking stupid.

Thanks,

Sure, you are free to purchase from DMM. Just you need to understand that DMM is for users in Japan so it is not guaranteed that the players or tool will work on English computers.
Also R18.com use CDN to provide better speed to overseas users. While DMM does not use CDN as it is just for Japanese customers.

 

[jugulear]

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It has been a pleasure to have your patient and polished voice hereabouts, R18.com.

I suddenly got this nagging and inexplicable curiosity about your pal, Captain Bondage.



I see that while he was once yapping constantly, he disappeared without a trace a year ago. Did he walk the plank? Did Moby Dick eat him? Is he too busy coaching Tom Hanks for when the actor will play him? Or did he leave the company?

I suppose the likeliest explanation is that your "team" came to an understanding as to who would be communicating for R18 on Akiba-Online, and you got elected... but it's still interesting that he just shivered his timbers out of here so completely.

While I have you, by the way, I have a dim memory of when the good captain instructed as to how R18 was slowly but surely preparing plot descriptions for each entry. While we know there are thousands of JAVs and this is an overwhelming job, is there hope on the horizon for the time when one clicks on an R18 movie page that a description would be cozily available? This important area has been so teddibly neglected.


EDIT:
After reading Hans Kowalski's post below (I'm impressed he has brought this issue up), I went checking, and Captain Bondage answered the first time, and the second time (which Hans began with "Yo!" Guess he was addressing the captain, and forgot about the "Ho Ho"), the question went unanswered. This second time, I see Casshern2 asked for examples, and Hans delivered, in case you would like to get a taste of these all-too-rarely-seen — but so useful — translated synopses.

EDIT, again:

Today I was fishing around old Attackers videos at R18 (from the 2000's), and was delighted to see just about every title had a translated description. I suppose what happened was that the R18 team started out idealistically, thinking "We're gonna provide a great and fluid translation for every listed JAV," and then the never-ending reality hit them. So they probably started out chronologically, taking care of some of the earlier ones, and then concluded, "We've got better things to do." R18 answered this question of mine in the next page, and it does not sound like they will be giving priority to translations any time soon. Too, too bad.

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[Hans Kowalski]

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While I have you, by the way, I have a dim memory of when the good captain instructed as to how R18 was slowly but surely preparing plot descriptions for each entry. While we know there are thousands of JAVs and this is an overwhelming job, is there hope on the horizon for the time when one clicks on an R18 movie page that a description would be cozily available? This important area has been so teddibly neglected.


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I've brought this up two times in the past, so I'm seconding another request, even though, having said earlier that I only buy directly from DMM, they probably won't listen to me.

 

[lollers1]

Logged into my account and 3 - 4 vids have been removed from R18 entirely. I know it's the studios that push DRM but really..... Everyone that has argued against it is just constantly having their points proven.

No DRM = if you downloaded your purchase you would still have it now. To really give a strong shot at trying to beat piracy you have to match the service piracy provides. This is a good example of the opposite.