Dormant Akiba Members

[Casshern2]

I like to help people. Always have. However, I'm of the opinion that outside of basic human needs not everyone is entitled to help. Here on Akiba (although one might argue that access to JAV is in fact a basic human need) I'm somewhat more of a stickler for that way of thinking. I don't mind lending a hand to active members one bit. Keyword: active. Members who take part is discussions, help out with Identifications and torrent/DDL searches. Those who thank others when they weren't even the ones to inquire about something. For those I will help where I can.

Now, here is where I will differ from others, I'm thinking. There are some members that have been here on the board for years and have either not done a thing or have done very little. I've seen new members their very first week do more than some that have been here for two years. And these individuals suddenly spring out to ask for things. I'll assume they have been using Akiba all of their time here. Downloading this, torrenting that (almost the same thing, right?), soaking up information "meant" for others, like little board ninjas. And when they cannot find something suddenly they post Hey, looking for this title forever, can you upload this? THANKS!

To be sure, that does not anger me. That is nothing to get angry about. Does it bother me? Meh...not so much. It just irks me. Yeah, I guess that's a more mild word, because in the grand scheme of things, why should I care? I see others accommodate their Identification posts without skipping a beat, going about their normal awesome niceness of helping around here. You know who you are. I'll even sometimes thank them for doing it. However, can you believe that those who asked for help and received it sometimes don't? That almost bugs me. See, that's a step above irk.

My question to you, should you care to answer, is: Should I just ignore them? The answer I'm sure will be a collective YES! But there is still something in me that compels my reply to those types of posts. I ask them to get involved. I ask them to do something. I don't call them out to be mean, I kindly point out that they haven't done much and are asking a lot when they want someone to upload something. If they can't find it chances are no one has bought it to upload! (or got it by other means...). I have on more than one occasion responded to such posters, and I won't point them out but you can find them in the Request threads, telling them that I can provide the title they want so long as they get involved. To date...none of them have done so. Again, you'll probably just tell me to not even answer them, just ignore them. And I will eventually. I just want to see if any of them are willing to be a part of this great community.

Of course...if everyone ignores them, as most of them are ignored...what does BUG me is to see a post full of bumps from the original poster...day after day. Not THAT bugs me.

Sound off below if you want to let me have it. I'm thick skinned. Just ask Shinigamie (I miss your jabs, bro!).

 

[Electromog]

I never look at how active a member has been when answering their ID requests. It doesn't bother me, personally. But that's just me, every person is different.

 

[jugulear]

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Most who contribute, whether in the form of informative posts everyone may benefit by, or whether through assisting in the Identification Help or Request and Trade departments, do so because of enthusiasm and generosity of spirit. Electromog is a prime example, he is truly a nice person, as is our thread-starter and many of those who have been at it consistently.

Absolutely it is the nature of this game for the vast majority of members to uncaringly and selfishly be in it for themselves, and lest anyone feel they hold the moral upper hand, we have all leeched - if not here, elsewhere. Yet this was a most insightful and wonderful composition by Casshern2, from-the-heart and very well written, examining the workings of the human spirit. Those who are giving will continue to give regardless, for it is in their nature... but once in a while, why shouldn't the one who comes across as being a little too selfish be given a reminder of his insensitivity?

Here in the United States for example, in the state of North Carolina, open war has been declared on the "moochers" of society - those with the hungry kids who rely on governmental assistance. Penalizing those who keep taking - why, at times, it can even be the law of the land.

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[Casshern2]

Electromog echoes inklings of the Golden Rule. Thanks for your words.

jugulear, thanks for your kind words as well. I must say, after reading your reply as well as our good friend Electromog's...I've realized that something like this, this thing we call JAV is not something that should be held from anyone. You said it yourself. EVERYTHING that I've been able to acquire or take advantage of here and everywhere...is in one way or another a leech. It's that simple. Thank you for helping me to see that.

 

[CFUD]

So what you're saying is, you only do things for recognition and acknowledgement.

How narcissistic of you.

 

[paparoach408]

So what you're saying is, you only do things for recognition and acknowledgement.

How narcissistic of you.

I only post stuff for the recognition and acknowledgement from Jugulear

 

[Casshern2]

So what you're saying is, you only do things for recognition and acknowledgement.

How narcissistic of you.

nar·cis·sis·tic
adjective
1. having an undue fascination with oneself; vain.
2. Psychoanalysis . tending to derive erotic gratification from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes.

CFUD, thanks for chiming in...I think. I know at the end of my OP I asked members here to "let me have it", and you sure did with your reply. Howerver, I'm wondering if you read my posts above in their entirety? If you didn't, I can somewhat understand your response and your implication.

If you did read everything, firstly, thanks for taking the time as it was a bit long-winded.

Secondly...I'm not seeing anywhere in my OP or response where I state I do things for either recognition or acknowledgement. I'm assuming you mean towards me? If so, you miss the point by just a fraction. I'm not...correction WAS not asking that anyone recognize or acknowledge me, personally, in any way, so narcisism doesn't come into play if you meant to use that word per its definition. I would say to requesters that I would help them so long as they got involved in the community...helped others...thanked others...discussed with others. I take it you didn't look up any of my responses in the Request or Identification threads either? Again, unless I just don't remember, I don't think I asked for anything to benefit me in any way, everything I requested was meant to benefit Akiba's other members and the board/community in general.

I'm sure a good lawyer could argue that since I, myself, am part of this community that any such suggestions about helping the community encompasses me as well, but, I'm sure that would be thrown out of court taking the context of my posts into consideration. But don't worry, I wouldn't go for a counter-suit.

All kidding aside, while I can appreciate your impulse to reply as you did, I can't help but feel you did so without knowing or possibly understanding all of the facts. Hopefully we'll cross paths again on these threads. As I've said in many posts (which you very well may never have read) this is great community.

@paparoach408, thanks for the laugh!

 

[CapnAV]

Casshern2: ...telling them that I can provide the title they want so long as they get involved. To date...none of them have done so.

I think this is a good way to go. By throwing up the opportunity to all comers you open the door for that one guy that will get involved.

 

[CFUD]

@ Casshern2
I'm really not going to bother with you.
NO-ONE is REQUIRED to contribute if they want to download JAV.
This is something you fail to understand at its root, and you'll continue failing to do so since you like to strawman with your cute dictionary.com defintions.

If you decide not to post links anymore because you don't like people receiving and not giving, then by all means, because there are 50 people willing to share without getting props.

 

[Casshern2]

CFUD, I must not have explained myself well enough. Absolutely, don't bother with me anymore, you'll just get yourself more upset than you are already. I've never been at odds with anyone here on Akiba. I've jabbed back and forth playfully with some (shinigamie, where are you?!?!) but I've never really made someone angry enough to "all caps" me. Certainly didn't mean to bruise anyone's sensibilities. I will address your comments just for clarification, but I don't want to waste anymore of your time, so this is more for others to understand what I meant, and I thank you for your time already spent. If I could give you back those minutes I would. Good luck and be well. I'd recommend not continuing.

@ Casshern2
I'm really not going to bother with you.
[1] NO-ONE is REQUIRED to contribute if they want to download JAV.
This is something you fail to understand at its root, [2] and you'll continue failing to do so since you like to strawman with your cute dictionary.com defintions.

[3] If you decide not to post links anymore because you don't like people receiving and not giving, then by all means, [4] because there are 50 people willing to share without getting props.

[1] Rogue hyphen aside, I could not agree with CFUD more. My postings in the Request threads are not public offerings. I am responding to a specific request from a specific member. I offer it to them, and the only contribution I would ask for is a little interaction with the board. Nothing monetary whatsoever. I think I understand his statement very well, however, what I think he fails to understand, is that any requirements, since he's calling them that, are not for anyone else on the Web other than the person providing the JAV to establish or define. The ones I used to establish (I can tell he doesn't read my replies or he'd see that Electromog and jugulear helped to set me straight already) were inconsequential. To this day I don't think I was asking for anything unreasonable.

[2] Firstly, as you all know, there is nothing cute about definitions. I hated having to write them in class. Sure, you learned a thing or two, but why write something that's already right there in a book? My teachers didn't agree. Secondly, I'll admit (and I'm embarrassed to do so) that I literally had to look up "narcissistic" because I wasn't sure I was thinking correctly of what it was. Turns out I wasn't. My teachers would agree with that. So, I put it up there for my enjoyment. But still, it didn't fit, in my opinion, my comments. Perhaps to some it did. Nothing I can do about that. And thanks to CFUD for making me look up "straw man", too! That's twice he's made me question my knowledge! Haha!

[3] I have never said anything to that effect. I'm concerned if CFUD is reading someone else's posts and replying to mine? Or perhaps his monitor isn't displaying correctly. I'm puzzled as to how he is able to read things that are not there. I will of course continue to post links to help when I can. And as I've eluded to in my reply to both Electromog and jugulear (maybe I should have spelled it out) I'm going to cease asking posters to get involved upfront. Aha! That's the caveat. I'm still going to ask them to get involved, but after I've provided their links. See? I'm not such a bad guy. And wouldn't you know, with a date prior to today, here is an example of my turnaround in request fulfillment already.

[4] Yet again, perhaps his monitor has specs that are obscuring the facts and showing him some evil re-wording of what a fella is posting. He kept referring to "props" and "recognition", neither of which I have ever nor would ever ask for. That just isn't me. Ask my mother. To be slightly immature, I don't see 50 others sharing on the request boards. I think he may be referring to the DDL section? There seem to be plenty of people posting there. And, to mince words, I say "posting" and not "sharing". If one person posted one title one time for free users to take advantage of, that is sharing. But instead we have multiple people with multiple hosts on multiple posts pretty much vying for the click. Nothing wrong with that at all, mind you, and I'll easily admit that having all of those options is a win-win for the other members. But it isn't sharing it is mainly making things available in such a way that the poster benefits in the end. I would offer to share (remember, used to) for the benefit of others. But I never did because no one ever took me up on it. When time permits I do intend to PM those I have previously given such offers and ask if they still want their title. If they do, it is theirs. Thanks Electromog and jugulear!

I won't apologize for anything I've said because there is nothing to apologize for. I will apologize, however, to those of you who read all of this! My intention was to be brief, but apparently that wasn't in the cards for me. I promise not to make this a habit. Back to what I enjoy! Helping with IDs, Requests, and Discussing this and that. Here's hoping we don't have any performers retire any time soon! Well, maybe some of the guys...

 

[Casshern2]

Casshern2: ...telling them that I can provide the title they want so long as they get involved. To date...none of them have done so.

I think this is a good way to go. By throwing up the opportunity to all comers you open the door for that one guy that will get involved.

All it takes is one guy, CapnAV, am I right? There could be some awesome individual out there that, I don't know, maybe has access to thousands of titles by some strange hole he found in a site or something. I'd sure want to spark the interest of one of those guys by giving him a title for something as cheap as seeing if he can help anyone!

 

[jugulear]

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That was very well written, Casshern2. You defended your position by expertly addressing the points, and you were very polite about it.

I especially appreciated the distinction between sharing, which was the noble idea of fora such as Akiba-Online in the first place, and what sharing has mostly evolved to be... where the incentive has primarily become gain.

I knew what "straw man" was, by the way. Yet when I read the usage here, I felt smug about knowing the term, but then I confronted myself (this is a hobby of mine) and asked, well, how would you define "straw man"? My answer was, DUU-UU-UHHH.... so CFUD forced me to look it up again. Thanks a lot, pal!

I wondered why CFUD got riled up about this issue as much as he did. We can see he is a member of very, very long-time standing... seven years, is that a record?... and I got curious about the caliber of his few contributions, and took a glance at his posting history.

I immediately remembered him for having responded to a thread of mine in the past, where I was intrigued about confusing plot points of a JAV, and asked fellow members for their ideas (a plea which has so far been ignored; but at least I got to the bottom of a stunning actress, thanks to Member Bongorider's help; I may now put her up in the "Stands Out in a Crowd" thread. Nothing goes to waste, I tell you), and CFUD came up with an idea from left field, that it's all fake. (Perhaps meaning that trying to understand plot points is unnecessary.) We can see CFUD is a very bright guy, so it seemed unusual for him to come up with something so obvious - we all know porn is fake. (Maybe Member Aquamarine did not know, because he thanked CFUD a whole year later.)

I do remember thinking at the time, however, didn't CFUD read my post? The response seemed so out of place.

Maybe the reason why he got so upset on this "Dormant Akiba Members" thread is because he strongly feels - and it's true - that people are free to come and go to porn and other sites and make use of offerings without needing to do anything in return. On a thread exploring the minimum some members need to do in return, called "Limitations for junior member, Why?," CFUD raised a courteous objection to what he needed to be put through, and Member Kraidazen hit him with, "21 posts over 5 years is still being a lurker. you should be active more often, not just look over things here."

(At least CFUD responded in a lighthearted manner at that time, "Oh, is that 'dere some lurker-discrimination? You'll be hearing from my attorney.")

This thread featured CFUD's first post in a year, his last one being an announcement that he was saying "goodbye to my 4TB collection of JAV." If he went ahead with this unthinkably brave decision, that may help us understand, should he have come to regret his decision, why he showed less patience within this thread. (If I did such a thing, I'd be crying. He is manlier than I.)

There is no argument that (as long as the rules are observed) anyone is free to do whatever he or she wants on sites as this one. One is under no obligation to do anything. With that in mind, some people have an attitude that they are entitled to get whatever they want, without concern for others.

I see this in the I.D. Help section too often - people just throw out quick questions that take no time whatsoever, without any work done (usually a quick video link copy and paste), and then don't care about follow-ups (they could have got the answer already on their own, but they don't bother to update - wasting the time of their potential helpers). In the I.D. Help section and other sections, I see people not even bothering to acknowledge helpful information another has kindly provided them with. Sometimes I even see people getting helpful information not exactly catering to their needs, and then they criticize.

It's a matter of bad attitude, and rudeness. It's a "What's in it for me, and only me" pattern of behavior, that we would not appreciate from the uncaring guy who cuts in front of us on a line. That was the main benefit I got from Casshern2's very thoughtful compositions, and it's not an unimportant point to keep in mind - even with the acceptance that people are free to conduct themselves in whatever degree of selfishness they choose. (Because, let's face it, we are all selfish. Although perhaps not as selfish as that 47% of total moochers - wait a minute. Did I just find myself on the same page as Mitt Romney?)


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[Casshern2]

jugulear, I would say we are perhaps cut from the same cloth, but I'm pretty sure my cotton isn't as nice as your silk. I'm glad you understood what I was saying and I thank you again for your earlier comments that made me see what I was doing...which wasn't wrong...just a bit...unnecessary? I think I'll stick with that.

Anyone else see, treat, or think of members that rarely interact in any interesting ways?

 

[CapnAV]

I think there needs to be a bit of s distinction between freeloaders.
The large proportion of silent long term members that come, browse and take from Akiba quietly are not the problem. Indeed if there weren't these freeloaders, it wouldn't be worth the time for the people putting up torrents and ryushare links to try to make a penny off them. If you lose those people (who in a way aren't contributing without asking for something in return) then suddenly nearly all searches on Akiba return "nothing found".

The other type are those that give nothing, but begin threads asking for help, IDs, entire dvds to be uploaded without a thought for returning anything. To expect people to go to the trouble to do these things when someone can't even be miffed to type the same phrase into google, or move the mouse to click 'thanks' rather than 'close window' after reading an answer is just plain lazy at best.

Just to play devil's advocate to myself, however, there have been times I've read an out of the blue question from a lazy member that caught my interest and sent me off on an internet hunt that introduced me to new actresses, movies and occasionally even new genres! You won't exactly find what they were looking for, but sometimes an asinine question is just the bump we need to head off exploring for ourselves.

 

[Casshern2]

Very true, CapnAV, that can happen, when someone sparks an interest. Thanks for that!

 

[iori11]

Like i see in some other forums we may ask for a certain numbers of posts before submitting a request or keep the request section on a somehow "VIP" section and then have a minimum of "thanks" unblock that section?

 

[pukimai]

@Casshern2 : you really hit me... I won't forget you are the one that respond to one of my question(s), and i really appreciate your help, but to be honest, I'm not spending my time a lot in this beautiful website, i use akiba as my last resource if i have some question regarding JAV or if I can't find the JAV that i want anywhere else (although the possibility to find this kind of JAV in this site also very little, but i know, i can at least ask, if somebody there have it), so casshern2, is there anything that i can help ? i want to payback your help. Thank you

 

[Casshern2]

Like i see in some other forums we may ask for a certain numbers of posts before submitting a request or keep the request section on a somehow "VIP" section and then have a minimum of "thanks" unblock that section?

We've all been at the mercy of that type of setup, am I right? Nothing wrong with it, it "forces" a time investment. Probably wouldn't happen here, though, but yeah, that would work.

 

[Casshern2]

@Casshern2 : you really hit me... I won't forget you are the one that respond to one of my question(s), and i really appreciate your help, but to be honest, I'm not spending my time a lot in this beautiful website, i use akiba as my last resource if i have some question regarding JAV or if I can't find the JAV that i want anywhere else (although the possibility to find this kind of JAV in this site also very little, but i know, i can at least ask, if somebody there have it), so casshern2, is there anything that i can help ? i want to payback your help. Thank you

Did I hit you too hard? I'm so sorry! Kidding...

Hey, I appreciate your comments. And sure Akiba isn't the only place to browse. It is one of if not the best...but not the only one. It is a great resource, am I right? Anyway, I was glad to help. We're all friends, here, so payback isn't isn't necessary. Thanks for the offer. Who knows, maybe some day you'll help me out when I'm asking for something.

:hugethumb:

 

[BKJ1ng]

I was never really active in the forums, and to be honest I didn't even know how many threads and how much activity there was in the forums. I was usually checking torrents, but the past month or so I've been going through the forums more often. From what I've seen, Casshern2 you have been very active and extremely helpful to everyone. While you haven't helped me it is a nice gesture and very appreciated to see how much you put into responding to others. Your responses have answered questions and led me down to new discoveries so I'm thankful for that.