How much do you like Yua Mikami?

[ding73ding]

S1 has a set way of doing everything, 90% of what they do is the same, they don't have much reason to ever differentiate from the norm.

The same with every other studios. Same cover and clothing starting different actress on the same set while typecasting the same guys to act as virgin or r**ist.

Yes yes I know I know, I have been following JAV and especially major studios long enough to understand it (but not liking it) I was making a point that SSNI-127 is a special case of fail (again judging from cover and screen shots only) even amongst all of S1 formulaic vanilla vids.

Especially... With the persona of Yua Mikami she so carefully maintains, do you think she would wear that black lacy-shoulder, unsexy-short-skirt out on the street? It's too short for a funeral and downright ugly/inappropriate for any other situation, especially on a (fake) date. Yua has a specific persona, she shouldn't be doing certain genres like every other (top) idols. E.g. if she (according to S1 SOP) has to make at least one vid for that awful "完全プライベートSEX映像" series, she should be doing something a little special. E.g. she can do a glam date thing, dragging a boy-toy along to all the hot trendy places and being cute or moe or chippy. In fact, exactly like she did one simulated date vid on youtube, but add on a bunch of sex scenes. Another approach, more honest to the theme of the series. Is she's going under the radar-dating. Pretend she has to avoid paparazzi, but crave a date as an anonymous girl next door. So she put on big boring jacket, black sunglasses and face mask. Avoid popular crowded locations, and quietly sneak in and out of love hotels with boyfriend. IIRC her backstory was she "graduated" from AKB48 after reporter caught her "dating" some guys (notice plural guys) at a hotel(s), why not play that up for this vid?

 

[silent1one]

Yes yes I know I know, I have been following JAV and especially major studios long enough to understand it (but not liking it) I was making a point that SSNI-127 is a special case of fail (again judging from cover and screen shots only) even amongst all of S1 formulaic vanilla vids.

Especially... With the persona of Yua Mikami she so carefully maintains, do you think she would wear that black lacy-shoulder, unsexy-short-skirt out on the street? It's too short for a funeral and downright ugly/inappropriate for any other situation, especially on a (fake) date. Yua has a specific persona, she shouldn't be doing certain genres like every other (top) idols. E.g. if she (according to S1 SOP) has to make at least one vid for that awful "完全プライベートSEX映像" series, she should be doing something a little special. E.g. she can do a glam date thing, dragging a boy-toy along to all the hot trendy places and being cute or moe or chippy. In fact, exactly like she did one simulated date vid on youtube, but add on a bunch of sex scenes. Another approach, more honest to the theme of the series. Is she's going under the radar-dating. Pretend she has to avoid paparazzi, but crave a date as an anonymous girl next door. So she put on big boring jacket, black sunglasses and face mask. Avoid popular crowded locations, and quietly sneak in and out of love hotels with boyfriend. IIRC her backstory was she "graduated" from AKB48 after reporter caught her "dating" some guys (notice plural guys) at a hotel(s), why not play that up for this vid?

The same for the generic fan meet idol drama Vcinemas or harem anime. It's becoming the same formula, so we can't nitpick too much and just suspend our belief. The same with most movies where a villain blah about his whole plan instead of killing the hero. The underestimate lead to their demise. It's just a gimmick. I wouldn't be surprise if she put on mask and glasses like the ideapocket version of this series. S1 and ideapocket titles overlaps a lot.

 

[paparoach408]

Especially... With the persona of Yua Mikami she so carefully maintains, do you think she would wear that black lacy-shoulder, unsexy-short-skirt out on the street? It's too short for a funeral and downright ugly/inappropriate for any other situation, especially on a (fake) date. Yua has a specific persona, she shouldn't be doing certain genres like every other (top) idols. E.g. if she (according to S1 SOP) has to make at least one vid for that awful "完全プライベートSEX映像" series, she should be doing something a little special. E.g. she can do a glam date thing, dragging a boy-toy along to all the hot trendy places and being cute or moe or chippy. In fact, exactly like she did one simulated date vid on youtube, but add on a bunch of sex scenes. Another approach, more honest to the theme of the series. Is she's going under the radar-dating. Pretend she has to avoid paparazzi, but crave a date as an anonymous girl next door. So she put on big boring jacket, black sunglasses and face mask. Avoid popular crowded locations, and quietly sneak in and out of love hotels with boyfriend. IIRC her backstory was she "graduated" from AKB48 after reporter caught her "dating" some guys (notice plural guys) at a hotel(s), why not play that up for this vid?

she's not that big of a special case where she should get preferred treatment over other S1 girls. No her scandal were underage drinking, making out with a member of NEWS, and talking shit about fans on a private account that was discovered, then graduated from SKE48.

 

[silent1one]

she's not that big of a special case where she should get preferred treatment over other S1 girls. No her scandal were underage drinking, making out with a member of NEWS, and talking shit about fans on a private account that was discovered, then graduated from SKE48.

It's still pretty common in Asia where male and female idols needs to act pure and innocent with no datings. They can be very nice in public, but bts they would talk a lot of crap about their competitors, creepy obsessive fans, and more. They're all hot blooded teens working in ther entertainment industry, so it's very expected. Besides, Japanese loves beers after work and probably taught them to drink and party in secret.

 

[paparoach408]

It's still pretty common in Asia where male and female idols needs to act pure and innocent with no datings. They can be very nice in public, but bts they would talk a lot of crap about their competitors, creepy obsessive fans, and more. They're all hot blooded teens working in ther entertainment industry, so it's very expected. Besides, Japanese loves beers after work and probably taught them to drink and party in secret.

that has nothing to do with what I was saying, I was pointing out what her scandal was, that's what she went down for and not fucking around(who knows if she did or did not do that, but that's not what caused her to graduate) I know enough about idol culture and the akb universe from like 07-14

 

[silent1one]

that has nothing to do with what I was saying, I was pointing out what her scandal was, that's what she went down for and not fucking around(who knows if she did or did not do that, but that's not what caused her to graduate) I know enough about idol culture and the akb universe from like 07-14

Idol lifespan isn't very long. Most of them you don't hear from anymoreanymore

 

[paparoach408]

Idol lifespan isn't very long. Most of them you don't hear from anymoreanymore

i see what you're doing

 

[ding73ding]

she's not that big of a special case where she should get preferred treatment over other S1 girls.

I know what you mean... But Yua wouldn't be the first or the only one getting special treatment. Nor would she get special treatment for every vid. Rion gets special treatment quite often too (tailor-made video for her). It need not be a big deal. Other long running series have also allow some small variations sometimes to change things up sometimes to adapted to the persona of the idol, sometimes to fete a real or made-up anniversary.

I know S1's thang is consistence and predictability. But infrequent application of mild variation actually won't damage that predictability and even enhance it. The same, only different. The classic winning formula.

No her scandal were underage drinking, making out with a member of NEWS, and talking shit about fans on a private account that was discovered, then graduated from SKE48.

Interesting (perhaps only in my own head)... let's get back to her backstory another time.

Hmm how about now? It's partly my imagination, partly wishful thinking, but her backstory tells me three things:
1. she craves fame, money, success, and fans. This is the driving force behind all her effort. She has no special devotion to any particular art, say singing or dancing or acting.
2. she works hard, firstly earning a spot with SKE48, then now with a comfortable job as a top AV idol she still work a lot of extra jobs.
3. but she also plays a little hard and sometimes step (a tiny bit) out of the line.
4. she seems smart enough, I doubt she still has an unrealistic dream of big time idol after a mediocre career at an mediocre outfit SKE48. Her experience in AV and having done so many jobs and appearances around East Asia, I imagine she has by a now a sense of her (limited) talent and factors and paths that might lead to something.

 

[jwlim80]

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[paparoach408]

Hmm how about now? It's partly my imagination, partly wishful thinking, but her backstory tells me three things:
1. she craves fame, money, success, and fans. This is the driving force behind all her effort. She has no special devotion to any particular art, say singing or dancing or acting.
2. she works hard, firstly earning a spot with SKE48, then now with a comfortable job as a top AV idol she still work a lot of extra jobs.
3. but she also plays a little hard and sometimes step (a tiny bit) out of the line.
4. she seems smart enough, I doubt she still has an unrealistic dream of big time idol after a mediocre career at an mediocre outfit SKE48. Her experience in AV and having done so many jobs and appearances around East Asia, I imagine she has by a now a sense of her (limited) talent and factors and paths that might lead to something.

it's always been her dream, i can't fault anyone for ever wanting to live there dream even though it's likely to fail or not, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, this is likely her last chance of being anything other then an ex-idol turned AV star

 

[ding73ding]

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Holy cow, they went and make some photos and CDs! Still waiting to hear their songs.

Who are the other girls, they don't look like spring chickens... OH HO HO... They are AV idols too. 三上悠亜、松田美子、桜もこ and with J-pop credential too. This is SWEET.

Yua Mikami from SKE48, Miko Matsuda from NMB48, Moko Sakura from Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome (バクステ外神田一丁目)



No matter how well (or how disastrous) HONEY POPCORN turns out, I am going to support their AV. Actually I was already (slightly) paying attention to Miko Matsuda, who almost exactly duplicated Yua Mikami's path, (xxx48 -> Muteki -> S1) Miko's figure is not quite the caliber of Yua, but the sweet girl next door face and overall package is fappalious enough.

The surprise to me was Moko Sakura... she's an J-pop girl group idol who debuted only 3 months ago, and I (we?) completely missed it. Went from Muteki to Kawaii.

And.... HOOO... seems it's been under our nose all these time:

Miko and Moko dance cover(s)

Trio's photoshoot came out at least as early as December of 2017. (same time as Moko's debut)


My cock is too rock hard to think and type, talk amongst yourselves.

 

[ding73ding]

Quick follow-up, there are at least 4 different versions of Robo Kiss dance cover, starring the same(?) two girls with the same moves but in different costumes and settings. Gets annoying real fast.

Is Honey Popcorn going to be a dance cover group? No life singing? Not even studio recording? Only dance cover? I've only heard of dance cover yesterday, and now it's a group thing? At least that eliminate the question if they were going to sing in Japanese or Korean. I just can't believe all three of them are fluent in Korean enough to sing for profit. But then why debut in Korea and have exactly 50% of their 4 tweets in Korean. Sorry guess I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's wait for the three of them in a youtube vid together...

 

[jwlim80]

Honey Popcorn is probably a compact spiritual successor to Ebisu Muscat but with more credential and less ego between the members. I forsee it will also be managed in a similar fashion as well.

The debut tickets will be on sale tomorrow and it will be imteresting to see how it will be received by the Koreans as the general view is that they are kind of anti Japanese and porn is technically illegal there unlike Taiwan.

But looking at the example of Momonogi Kana's recent apperance there, the Koreans are all talks with the tickets sales selling rate of 70% clearance.

 

[ding73ding]

Honey Popcorn is probably a compact spiritual successor to Ebisu Muscat but with more credential and less ego between the members. I forsee it will also be managed in a similar fashion as well.

As I understand, Ebusu Muscat (EM) is a marketing gimmick of, for and by the JAV industry. It's to milk some more money from existing AV customer base, not to expand the revenue base to J-pop fans who aren't AV customers already.

So according to your interpretation, we can safely dismiss Honey Popcorn (HP) as gimmick. We have been having a little gentle debate about Yua (and previously Shoko ) is developing a mainstream celeb career that's better (morally superior) than porn.

But if HP is the elite version of EM, than we shouldn't expect (fear?) Yua, Miko and Moko to "graduate" from AV any time soon. We still haven't heard of any idol graduating from AV due to success in EM.

But I am not ready to make the HP = elite-EM equation yet. The whole J-girl-group-graduates-turned-AV-idols-sidejob-J-pop-dance-cover-group-debut-in-Korea thing is just too mind blowing brain frying for me to process for now. I honestly don't know what to think of them yet.

But if I were in Korea, I would definitely attend the showcase with a copy of Miko's newest vid for her to sign

Gang r*** Degradation Unbanned


And where's the kickstarter for Horny POpcoRN (Ecchi-PORN?) to make a group sex AV? Miko and Yua are already with the same studio, and kawaii isn't really a stranger with S1 either. There's no hope in hell for EM to make an AV but 3 girls should be easier to control.

 

[jwlim80]

^
"Honey Popcorn Kpop" is already a trend on google. Porn do make the internet. Search for it to see all the burn from serious Kpop fans.

I take issue with the group being a serious outting with it consisting of 2nd rate talent and 2/3 of it are relatively new recruits at porn with not much of a foundation. Though there's an old chinese saying goes "Three unskilled cobblers are superior to one Zhuge liang".....

Anyway, it will seems those girls have the right to give the finger to their old group now, especially Mikami.

 

[paparoach408]

^

Anyway, it will seems those girls have the right to give the finger to their old group now, especially Mikami.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha no they won't, maybe Moko because her group was irrelevant, but yua if she didn't have all her scandals she still would've probably be in the 48 universe

 

[jwlim80]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha no they won't, maybe Moko because her group was irrelevant, but yua if she didn't have all her scandals she still would've probably be in the 48 universe

But she did get kicked out because she went out of line. And she is technically the leader of her own group because she is the "naughtiest" of the trio now.

As a big Kpop and Jpop fan, I am pretty sure Yua will flop in Kpop industry. 100% flop.

I do like her as a JAV idol, but man, Kpop is very tough. Considering her vocal skills and all that dance cover shits, she has no future in Korea.

No one is considering the entire outfit as a serious outing here. At least not me.​

 

[paparoach408]

But she did get kicked out because she went out of line. And she is technically the leader of her own group because she is the "naughtiest" of the trio now.

doesn't mean she has the right to give the finger to her old group, she fucked up 3 times and got kicked out, I doubt they care or think any of this will affect them, and she can't give the finger to them because without them she surely wouldn't be as popular in JAV as she is now, she kind of owes them everything with where she is now

 

[ding73ding]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha no they won't, maybe Moko because her group was irrelevant, but yua if she didn't have all her scandals she still would've probably be in the 48 universe

doesn't mean she has the right to give the finger to her old group, she fucked up 3 times and got kicked out, I doubt they care or think any of this will affect them, and she can't give the finger to them because without them she surely wouldn't be as popular in JAV as she is now, she kind of owes them everything with where she is now

So I was waiting for someone knowledgeable to comment on Moko's group. So... we can establish:
SKE48 > NMB48 > Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome
right? And Miko's time and status within NMB48 was also shorter and lower than Yua within SKE48, so if Yua was a minnow, Miko was a shrimp. What about Moko? Scandals?
So do we have the following pecking order?
Yua >> Miko >>? Moko

I know you are a supporter of girl groups, but hope you don't mind my opinionated opinions. Do correct me if I'm wrong. In my head, girl groups (or whatever you call the likes of 48 universe, I guess any group with more than 6 members, matching costumes, usually perform live, ...) are a whole rank lower than regular J-/K-pop group (3-5 members with distinguishable costumes and hairstyles, sometimes distinguishable roles). The top groups gets a lot of exposure and make a lot of money for the producer. But for the girls a career in girl group is neither here nor there. The chance to graduate to a bigger brighter celeb status is small. As far as I can tell (without looking very hard) not a single graduate from Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome have achieved any fame, other than making AV. 48universe is obviously more meaningful, e.g. Atsuko Maeda and Tomomi Itano developed legit careers after AKB48. But it seems there are comparable number of graduates went to nude gravue and AV.

My point is... a short unremarkable stint in bottom half of 48 universe and regional girl groups is technically celeb credential. But equivalent in the West would be perhaps a second week dropout of a minor reality TV show. Mostly forgettable. Which is perhaps how Moko Sakura got on the celeb AV stage for months before I (and a lot of Akiba members too, I guess) noticed.

Ohh one more nugget to share. Since it wasn't obvious to me...
Yua's debut vid was called Peach, refers to her AKB stage name Momo
Miko's debut vid NumBer01, refers to her NMB48 backstory
Moko's debut vid Fuck Stage, refers to her old group name Back Stage (バクステ) (外神田一丁目 is a historic name for (or near?) Akihabara) change バ to フ, you would get Fuck Stage out of バクステ(?)

 

[ding73ding]

doesn't mean she has the right to give the finger to her old group, she fucked up 3 times and got kicked out, I doubt they care or think any of this will affect them, and she can't give the finger to them because without them she surely wouldn't be as popular in JAV as she is now, she kind of owes them everything with where she is now

In case I wasn't clear, I'm asking for an detailed account of her thrice fucking up.

Oops my bad, I misread the post and thought Moko had some scandal backstory. It was only Yua all along.

BTW... I scanned SSNI-123 with Miko Matsuda. Normally I am no fan of degradation and/or r*** AV. But this one is pretty awesome. Miko plays a J-pop idol with plaid skirt costume and everything (what a surprise eh), she is sexually exploited (in simple English: r***ing) by everyone especially her manager/agent. There's a lot of talk/vocal acting, and even some male-on-male violence (so dramatic!). For S1, this is very very un-vanilla. I guess Miko's figure being so un-impressive (especially B-cup tits) but S1 doesn't want to drop her.