How much do you like Yua Mikami?

[paparoach408]

Of course I didn't say Yua was the first J-pop-to-porn conversion. IIRC there was at least one ex-AKB who had a full length JAV career, I think one only retired recently. She formally retired instead of the usual fading/disappearing quietly. Yua's JAV career isn't even 2 full years yet so it's still too early to talk about longevity.

But she is the first to make it a blockbuster success. Before Yua, celeb-to-JAV was "look how low/pathetic she sank". Yua was the first one to make some big money for the studio (and presumably for herself) so after her studio/agency put out attractive offers and some current and former celeb tempted to JAV. Perhaps to say, before Yua from anything to JAV was a downgrade. After Yua, for the low-end and/or fading celebs JAV could be an upgrade and success path.

Miko's still a newbie, so her direction isn't set yet. She still has her J-pop persona going so I am kinda wishy speculating where she could go, perhaps a whole new niche that no one has ever created before. Actually her SSNI-123 is way too rapey for me. I really really don't like r*** vids, I guess we are on the same page for that. I do like S&M vids, either dom or sub. (shouldn't need to explain the difference between sub and victim, but ... sadly JAV producers may not know the difference) I especially love idols who play dom roles in some vids and sub roles in other vids. E.g. Mao Hamasaki and Aimi Yoshikawa. Esp. after seeing Aimi in some dom roles, it makes it tolerable, actually very kinky to watch her r*** vids. Anyway Miko doesn't have to go to the S&M bottom, there's a range of mid-level themes that for some stupid reasons top idols (Yua, Shoko, Rion etc) wouldn't do. Ahh... good comparison would be Sora Shiina, or Atomi Shuri, imagine Miko do same kind of vids as them but apply her persona as minor celeb. Miko isn't nearly as pretty as Atomi Shuri, and mayne not even as young (looking) as Sora Shiina, but the magic dust...

Rico Yamaguchi the first AKB girl to Jav was also a smashing success in the year she was around, and would've been a Yua Mikami level star if she decided to stay, but her and her sister only did JAV to pay off family debts, and when the debts got cleared they bounced, she was a legit star girl in AKB during her time there, and if another former AKB girl came in that was similar to Rico Yamaguchi level would probably smash Yuas success. Risa Tachibana was also doing very well but then abandoned jav early into her contract. Haruna Aisaka is the one with the long career, but she never really got too popular because she had a very big Diva attitude so she stopped getting work

 

[ding73ding]

Rico Yamaguchi やまぐち りこ, aka 中西里菜 for AKB48 (2005-2008). 14 vids lasting just over one year in 2011-2012, first 5 with Alice Japan, rest of them with SOD Star, last two (including retirement vid) with her sister.(with correction by @paparoach408 )

Risa Tachibana 橘梨紗 (not to be confused with the 80s singer and actor 立花 理佐) , aka 高松恵理 AKB48 trainee. A backstory I read claims she joined as trainee for about a year and she failed to promote (2010). Her JAV career lasted 6 vids for 7 months in 2013 plus a one-off comeback vid 6 months later. All under SOD Star.

Haruna Aisaka 逢坂はるな, aka 成瀬理沙 AKB48 trainee for 10 months, promoted to Team K, graduated due to injury after about a year (2009). Debut with Muteki late 2013, transfer to IdeaPockets in 2014, transfer to SOD Star in 2015, somewhat disappeared after Sept 2016. Made AVs irregularly with WANZ and Oppai as late as Sept 2017.

I wonder why these three didn't start the wave(fad) like Yua and Shoko did. Perhaps a big factor is JAV was in a slump (still is?) in 2016/2017. When above girls' AV career launched there were more big stars in JAV so relatively Rico and Haruna were never the biggest stars and didn't trigger a wave of celeb-JAV debutantes?

 

[jwlim80]

Rico Yamaguchi やまぐち りこ, aka 中西里菜 for AKB48 (2005-2008). 13 vids lasting just over one year in 2011-2012, all of them with SOD Star, last two (including retirement vid) with her sister.

Risa Tachibana 橘梨紗 (not to be confused with the 80s singer and actor 立花 理佐) , aka 高松恵理 AKB48 trainee. A backstory I read claims she joined as trainee for about a year and she failed to promote (2010). Her JAV career lasted 6 vids for 7 months in 2013 plus a one-off comeback vid 6 months later. All under SOD Star.

Haruna Aisaka 逢坂はるな, aka 成瀬理沙 AKB48 trainee for 10 months, promoted to Team K, graduated due to injury after about a year (2009). Debut with Muteki late 2013, transfer to IdeaPockets in 2014, transfer to SOD Star in 2015, somewhat disappeared after Sept 2016. Made AVs irregularly with WANZ and Oppai as late as Sept 2017.

I wonder why these three didn't start the wave(fad) like Yua and Shoko did. Perhaps a big factor is JAV was in a slump (still is?) in 2016/2017. When above girls' AV career launched there were more big stars in JAV so relatively Rico and Haruna were never the biggest stars and didn't trigger a wave of celeb-JAV debutantes?

If you must know, there had always been B Grade celebrities going into porn. Things are just more visible now due to social media and smart devices becoming a thing in Japan since 2012.

The Yamaguchi sisters are the biggest name ever at current to go into porn. What are the chances today that a founding member of a successful mainstream group go into porn and drag her younger sister along for the ride ?

The reason why Mikami is so hyped is because of the way she is managed by her manager and her willingness to be paraded around despite her day job. Nobody at current is all over the place like she is, not even Takahashi. Her manager is the true mastermind behind her success with him paving the way for all her jobs.

 

[paparoach408]

Rico Yamaguchi やまぐち りこ, aka 中西里菜 for AKB48 (2005-2008). 13 vids lasting just over one year in 2011-2012, all of them with SOD Star, last two (including retirement vid) with her sister.

I wonder why these three didn't start the wave(fad) like Yua and Shoko did. Perhaps a big factor is JAV was in a slump (still is?) in 2016/2017. When above girls' AV career launched there were more big stars in JAV so relatively Rico and Haruna were never the biggest stars and didn't trigger a wave of celeb-JAV debutantes?

Rico started with alice Japan, 5 there then went to sod bringing her sister along. Rico could've been big but she was only in it to pay off debt, and at the time when she did debut why it didn't take off, it was still pretty taboo then, and she got blacklisted/blackballed/erased from AKB lexicon/history/whatever hard at that time, I don't think any in the idol industry wanted to risk that same happening to them. Haruna there where rumors of her big diva attitude and that's caused her to not get much work.

when it comes to Yua's hype, i'm unsure how the hype formed, the year before Muteki did debut two other AKB universe girls(one of them was even bigger in the akb universe then her) I see why it's stayed because she exumes that star power, nobody else does that like her without it feeling fake. I don't agree with Jwlim80s belief that's all her managers will, she's always wanted to be an idol and in the public, and a lot of jav girls are out there "being paraded despite there day job" A lot of girls have different wants and needs, and it's not like the Ebisu Muscats don't exist, it's not all her manager

 

[jwlim80]

when it comes to Yua's hype, i'm unsure how the hype formed, the year before Muteki did debut two other AKB universe girls(one of them was even bigger in the akb universe then her) I see why it's stayed because she exumes that star power, nobody else does that like her without it feeling fake. I don't agree with Jwlim80s belief that's all her managers will, she's always wanted to be an idol and in the public, and a lot of jav girls are out there "being paraded despite there day job" A lot of girls have different wants and needs, and it's not like the Ebisu Muscats don't exist, it's not all her manager

Mikami may have the raw potential but does she have the logistical means and contacts to exploit that potential to the fullest ? And the smarts to know which assignment reaps the most benefit ?

And so now we have Mikami endorsing products outside of Japan, doing YouTube interviews, appearing in magazines in Taiwan and Hong Kong and jetting from place to place around East Asia. Logically do you think she could done all these all on her own ?

 

[akidna]

she is almost perfect for me.. i just dont like her screaming while do it.. i hope she moaning rather than screaming.. that will be perfect jav idol for me..

 

[paparoach408]

Mikami may have the raw potential but does she have the logistical means and contacts to exploit that potential to the fullest ? And the smarts to know which assignment reaps the most benefit ?

And so now we have Mikami endorsing products outside of Japan, doing YouTube interviews, appearing in magazines in Taiwan and Hong Kong and jetting from place to place around East Asia. Logically do you think she could done all these all on her own ?

never said she did it all on her own, i'm saying she wants to do all that and because of her star power she gets those opportunities,you made it seem like all of her success is 100% her manager which is bs, that manager couldn't do the same with any old random idol. it's 80% her(her star power, name and willingness to do a lot of outside projects), and 10% her manager, and 10% her agency who allows her to do all those outside projects for her success

 

[jwlim80]

never said she did it all on her own, i'm saying she wants to do all that and because of her star power she gets those opportunities,you made it seem like all of her success is 100% her manager which is bs, that manager couldn't do the same with any old random idol. it's 80% her(her star power, name and willingness to do a lot of outside projects), and 10% her manager, and 10% her agency who allows her to do all those outside projects for her success

I have reasons to believe you have no idea who Mikami's manager and agency are. The guy is 青木亮 who is a big shot and have lots of contact in the industry :-

http://4travel.blog.jp/archives/8314510.html

Amongst the names he had previously managed are Hoshino Asuka, Tatsumi Yui and Okita Anri. So it's more like 40% raw talent and 60% management.

 

[ding73ding]

I think today idol industry look on Yua Mikami with just as much fear and disgust as they did with Rico Yamaguchi. Anyone who still have some hope with mainstream idol-ing should know AV is essentially a one-way street.

But I think for each and every girl mentioned so far, actually for every celeb-to-AV girls in recent memory, all of them have not make a mistake with their JAV decision. Sure, several of them, we can stand here from a distance and criticize them for some of their life choice, but for their JAV decision, I don't think we can say, hey you gave up something precious in the idol world.

Say you mention AKB48 erased 中西里菜 after she became AV's Rico Yamaguchi, I don't think Rico regretted that. Memory of 中西里菜 maybe worth something to 48-industry, but I highly doubt there's any value left for her.

What was she doing in the 3-ish years between graduation from AKB48 to AV debut? No news in the gossip pages? Accumulating debt? What if... now this is pure 100% speculation on my part. WHAT IF... she was trying to re-start her own post-48 idol career. What if she was paying way too much introduction/agency fees, cosmetics, fashion, dance/singing lessons, studio rent etc etc. She had a few good years with AKB48, went dark for 3 years then make some money with AV paying off family debt and never heard of since (except I think she announced she was going to get married?). What family debt? Suddenly her father developed a gambling/addiction habit only for those 3 years? If all those were flimsy I tend to suspect that the "debt" came from she trying and failing to continue in idol industry.

 

[jwlim80]

Say you mention AKB48 erased 中西里菜 after she became AV's Rico Yamaguchi, I don't think Rico regretted that. Memory of 中西里菜 maybe worth something to 48-industry, but I highly doubt there's any value left for her.

What was she doing in the 3-ish years between graduation from AKB48 to AV debut? No news in the gossip pages? Accumulating debt? What if... now this is pure 100% speculation on my part. WHAT IF... she was trying to re-start her own post-48 idol career. What if she was paying way too much introduction/agency fees, cosmetics, fashion, dance/singing lessons, studio rent etc etc. She had a few good years with AKB48, went dark for 3 years then make some money with AV paying off family debt and never heard of since (except I think she announced she was going to get married?). What family debt? Suddenly her father developed a gambling/addiction habit only for those 3 years? If all those were flimsy I tend to suspect that the "debt" came from she trying and failing to continue in idol industry.

https://www.akiba-online.com/posts/3573803/

https://www.akiba-online.com/posts/3532959/

https://www.akiba-online.com/posts/3530063/

Some correction, She spent 5 years in the group but she opts out in June 2010 before her porn debut in October in the same year. So no 3 years blank.

As I said, girls in such mega group gets paid lowly individually and only gets fat bonuses only if they are popular enough to stand out. AKB48 arn't really that big in 2010 too and she needs some fast cash, so....

 

[darksider59]

As I said, girls in such mega group gets paid lowly individually and only gets fat bonuses only if they are popular enough to stand out. AKB48 arn't really that big in 2010 too and she needs some fast cash, so....

And I think the idol concept popularity is declining. I don't follow AKB anymore but I remember reading something about it. That's why they are creating sister groups in other asian countries.

 

[jwlim80]

https://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/forme...-cancels-showcase-because-of-korean-netizens/

17,000 Koreans aganist them debutting citing moral decay amongst #metoo wave. Ouch.

 

[darksider59]

https://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/forme...-cancels-showcase-because-of-korean-netizens/

17,000 Koreans aganist them debutting citing moral decay amongst #metoo wave. Ouch.

Sad for them. One line caught my eye "this could lead to sexualization of other female idol groups or singers". SURE ! It's not like there are already tons of groups doing sexualized MVs in korea (AOA, EXID, CL from 2NE1, Hyuna, Secret, Ga-in ...). And I don't even mention "dance groups" that look like prostitutes. Oh no, excuse me, they show "how strong and independant a woman can be" . Stupid knetizens !

 

[Lodestar]

Their reasoning is so childish and naive I'm laughing.

I'm pretty sure Koreans were donating and returning home before those two Kpop stars I have never heard of were born. I mean come on... you don't want pornstars debuting in your music scene, I understand that even if I don't agree with it. But the hyperbole around the influence of kpop stars is ridiculous and should be obvious to everyone. They have some influence, yeah but lets not go overboard here.

Edit: I think another part of me wonders if the resistance to them is because they're not pretending. They're pornstars. Having a bunch of pornstars in the scene kind of makes the seedy underbelly of the idol industry stand out more through association.

 

[paparoach408]

I don't think the majority of k-pop fans care about over sexualization it's ingrained into there music industry, majority of the girl/boy groups are over sexualized. It's probably more Japanese women, who fuck for a living are trying to break into our industry. Really I don't think there's anyway it would've gone successfully with how fast they tried to push it, they needed at least a year doing stuff in japan or youtube to show that they aren't just pornstars trying to get an "easy(I feel that it's easier to get a foot in the door in k-pop then j-pop, but it's harder to get to the top in k-pop but you get a lot more chances)" way into the music industry. Like there will always be rumors, and talks(both in and out of the industry) that they're only here, or if they get success that they fucked there way to success in the music industry, and them debuting so soon after they existed(heck the old lady of the group has only been in porn a few months) was always going to cause issues. Should've been a grass roots build

 

[paparoach408]

I have reasons to believe you have no idea who Mikami's manager and agency are. The guy is 青木亮 who is a big shot and have lots of contact in the industry :-

http://4travel.blog.jp/archives/8314510.html

Amongst the names he had previously managed are Hoshino Asuka, Tatsumi Yui and Okita Anri. So it's more like 40% raw talent and 60% management.

Asuka Hoshino who claimed she was forced to appear in porn and was brainwashed,if he was her agent then he had something to do with it. Of the talent you listed(and from the few names I saw on the site, There has been only one other person that has had near Yua Mikami success outside the industry and that's Anri Okita, I don't know how 2 out of how many clients he has makes it 60% managment, and 40% raw talent, if it was the other way around then there'd be a lot more of his clients/former clients that did something outside the industry(this conversation we are having is about what happens outside the industry, and not inside)

my belief her name got her in, her fucking made her big, and it made it easy for management to do whatever she wanted afterwards because of her name+fucking keeping people interested, she's not the only former 48 universe to enter, and not even one with the biggest of names when she did

 

[jwlim80]

https://www1.president.go.kr/petitions/162204

Found the petition page and it's at the Presidential level. As of time of this posting, there are 19,000 signatures. Still quite a bit off from the 200,000 that is required for direct government action. But, all in all , the South Koreans are really sore about this.

Asuka Hoshino who claimed she was forced to appear in porn and was brainwashed,if he was her agent then he had something to do with it. Of the talent you listed(and from the few names I saw on the site, There has been only one other person that has had near Yua Mikami success outside the industry and that's Anri Okita, I don't know how 2 out of how many clients he has makes it 60% managment, and 40% raw talent, if it was the other way around then there'd be a lot more of his clients/former clients that did something outside the industry(this conversation we are having is about what happens outside the industry, and not inside)

my belief her name got her in, her fucking made her big, and it made it easy for management to do whatever she wanted afterwards because of her name+fucking keeping people interested, she's not the only former 48 universe to enter, and not even one with the biggest of names when she did

And that's what I'm trying to get across. Mikami was a small fry back in SKE who had nothing but a name no matter how you cut it. By all accounts the only thing she had was the hunger to make it big.

But she found herself in the hands of her current management who knows how to capitalise on what little she had and opens all the doors for her since their speciality is to take any B-listers who are willing to do porn and hype them up.

 

[ding73ding]

Look guys, SK is still a free country, 17000 ppl are allowed to say their piece. Actually it's likely a lot of those 17k aren't even kpop fans but self appointed moral police. Bottomline 17k isn't the entire Korea, not even par for one single 2nd rank kpop fan base. I think the showcase got cancelled not just because of loud political correctness. The other side of the coin must be poor support.

It takes only a couple seconds on the smart phone to sign a Blue House petition, multiply by 17k is still not a big deal. How many ticket sale is needed to neutralize that? Not a lot, I think. So we r talking about a serious lack of enthusiasm and support. And I can understand it, most acts get started by performing in low profile venues (usually leaking and/or releasing tapes, demos and youtube clips before making a "formal" debut. Partly to polish and improve the act, mostly to build up some core fan base. I think a existing fan base of say 60 heads is minimal ? That's counting friends and family and staff of production promotion companies. But we've seen nothing on YouTube and pretty much nothing on Instagram.

If they had some vids of spoken or sung Korean, I bet that 17k (19k) would be slashed by at least half. As of now, H-Pop looks like 100% sex and nudity and eye candy and ~0% k-pop, or k-culture or k-anything. Even the most shameless k-pop group would be something like 60% sexy 40% talent? H-pop looks like 100% sexy (actually outright sex) 0% talent. It's not at all hypocritical to draw a line between k-pop groups which use sex to supplement the talent from a group which has nothing other than sex.

Yua's choosing to hand-write a response in Korean shows that she finally sense the critical problem. But it's too little too late. No matter if you agree with the 17k petitioners or not, the outcome is failure to launch. Even if H-pop managed to re-launch somehow in the future, I think a massive damage is already done. And the H-pop trio and the hair-brains behind the idea has to shoulder 100% responsibility. IMHO, I would be rather surprised if H-pop manage even a small-scale modest launch, this is probably the end right here right now. I only hope that it's not a negative impact on Yua's and Miko's AV career.

 

[jwlim80]

No serious AV fans will believe that Honey Popcorn is a serious outing. It's more of a gimmick for Mikami (with the assistance of the 2 others) to raise eyebrows and gain a foothold in Korea's entertainment scene. Kinda like what she did in Taiwan.

But I think the management underestimated the Koreans' sentiment towards sex. So I'm not sure if they can overlook the morality of a person even if somebody is talented enough. Look at that recent suicide by that actor who choose to take that path rather than wait to be vindicated either by the law or by the public eventually.

 

[jwlim80]

The hate for them is still shimmering amongst the Koreans with 25,000 signatures :-

https://www1.president.go.kr/petitions/162204