Japanese Porn versus Western Porn: The Debate

gregorsamsa

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I am only invested seeing her boobies bounce and shake all over the place.
And as for that, as I wrote here, I must be so into her boobs that they alone are enough for me to make her my favorite JAV star (same with Shiori being the second just because of her booty). So yeah, just seeing them bounce and shake is enough, but I've been doing that for so long that I started notice some cool thing she does as well :)
 

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I don't know what kind of porn are you watching, but that's not true.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/porn-stars-reveal-the-secret-to-massive-cum-shots/
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-make-fake-cum
http://www.planetsuzy.org/t489958-fake-cum-shots-how-do-they-really-do-it.html
https://www.vice.com/en/article/history-of-the-money-shot-cum-fetish/
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/fake-cumshots-13056
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/fake-cumshots
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/cumshot-surprise-is-a-fake

Every scene needs a cumshot. The few western male pornstars who actually get regular porn work shoot 3-5 days a week. The off-porn days they're not shooting content they're working their escort gigs (mostly fucking/getting fucked by male customers) and those too are gonna ask for a cumshot. In the unlikely event the male pornstar has anything left in the tank for his pornshoots and can actually cum then the moneyshot is going to be recorded right at the beginning of the shoot -before most of the sex action takes place- and placed at the end of the scene through editing.
And since the regular male western pornstar - mostly around 35-40 years old - has to jizz at least once a day, chances are the amount he cums then isn't going to be impressive or enough by porn standards. So they're going to fake the moneyshots in porn videos most of the time, and for still pics they will fake it every single time.

Also the girls don't have orgasms while getting fucked on porn sets, you're also not actually chatting with them on onlyfans, and Santa Claus isn't real either.
 
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gregorsamsa

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Sounds convincing but sites like Jesse Loads Monster Facials, and their BTS scenes specifically, make me believe still that there are at least some consistently real cum-shots. (Their BTS are shot throughout both the photoset and video shooting parts and seem to have no edits, and I actually re-watched one of them recently, and the cum-shot part is after the scene, not before: the only "trick" that I got from there is they do not duplicate the cumming part for the photo and the video; they photo-shoot everything apart from the cum-shot before shooting video, then they shoot the video, and then they also shoot the facial part for the photo gallery, thus completing it; so it goes — first, the gallery except the shot, then the video with the shot, then shooting the results of same facial for the gallery.)

Also, what about amateur porn? There must be some individuals gifted like that. (Again, a recent discovery of mine: the guy is hung, and he also has huge cum-shots, at least in this scene; if this one is fake as well, then it would be really difficult to pull off considering that it's all filmed in one shot, no moving the camera and no edits... yeah, you could add "seemingly" to almost any claim I'm making here, but "all cum is fake" is too much as well... being a bitter fellow in some regards, I would actually be OK with that on a philosophical level, and it would add one more reason to my list of "Why the World is a Huge F...king Joke"*, but I think that it's objectively just too bold of a statement to make.)

* This could be "Faking", by the way. The human world actually is one fake atop another in too many aspects
 
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Yeah, "external" cum-shots i.e. on the face, belly, ass etc. are more likely to be real or at least to be faked better because they are easier to spot: with cream-pies be it inside the pussy or mouth, you obviously can't see through the skin, and in case of oral shots (even if it's an open-mouth oral from the distance, i.e. the girl opens her mouth, and the guy shoots inside it without touching her), you as the maker can also justify the "unusual" texture, color etc. by saying that it got mixed up with saliva etc. With external shots, there are fewer tricks you can play, and on the face especially, the cum will be under more inspection because we are just more used to be attentive to other's faces

Also, external ones and the open-mouth shots are just more difficult to fake technically since you'll need to either make the camera look away (which is blasphemy in case of facials since if any kind of cum-shot process needs to be shown it's the facial) or put the tubes in such a way that they are not visible. And tubes are more difficult to utilize and hide than just smearing your cock with white stuff just before the "oral cream-pie" while the camera looks away

Right, I got tired of writing about all the crap they do just not to use real cum. To rephrase a certain British comedy show, "Real cum? Bollocks more like". Well, at least we can be sure that, even if the are no raw insertions into the pussy/ass (condoms all the time), even if the cum is fake, we can take at least some creepy joy in the fact that the girls still need to touch the dick and the balls* directly with their lips and mouths. And being a guy mostly interested in oral in porn, that might be enough already

* I tried to include them both in some kind of a euphemism, but which one? I could've said "skin flute" but what about the balls then? I could've tried to use "bagpipe" even, but it's more like "the pipe and the pipe-bags"... So, just "dick and balls"

That's what I use when I watch JAV. If I want to finish seeing how a guy finishes inside the girl, I go to my western collection.
 

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By the way, when I was talking about "real orgasms" I was talking about men orgasms. When you cum you orgasm, and when you orgasm your body reacts... I don't even need to explain how since pretty much everyone here is a man.

But obviously when you're a terrible performer and you're only worried about not spilling the white cream they introduced in the vagina of the girl... your "orgasm" is just terrible.
 

Taako

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/porn-stars-reveal-the-secret-to-massive-cum-shots/
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-make-fake-cum
http://www.planetsuzy.org/t489958-fake-cum-shots-how-do-they-really-do-it.html
https://www.vice.com/en/article/history-of-the-money-shot-cum-fetish/
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/fake-cumshots-13056
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/fake-cumshots
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/cumshot-surprise-is-a-fake

Every scene needs a cumshot. The few western male pornstars who actually get regular porn work shoot 3-5 days a week. The off-porn days they're not shooting content they're working their escort gigs (mostly fucking/getting fucked by male customers) and those too are gonna ask for a cumshot. In the unlikely event the male pornstar has anything left in the tank for his pornshoots and can actually cum then the moneyshot is going to be recorded right at the beginning of the shoot -before most of the sex action takes place- and placed at the end of the scene through editing.
And since the regular male western pornstar - mostly around 35-40 years old - has to jizz at least once a day, chances are the amount he cums then isn't going to be impressive or enough by porn standards. So they're going to fake the moneyshots in porn videos most of the time, and for still pics they will fake it every single time.

Also the girls don't have orgasms while getting fucked on porn sets, you're also not actually chatting with them on onlyfans, and Santa Claus isn't real either.
Very insightful and not surprising. I mean JAV is almost like a bts of sorts.

And I believe some legendary western performers males/females do confirm things being legit and... not so legit.
It's business for them and they don't have time to wait.

When AI gets better, I suspect shots gonna be incorporated.
 

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Very insightful and not surprising. I mean JAV is almost like a bts of sorts.

And I believe some legendary western performers males/females do confirm things being legit and... not so legit.
It's business for them and they don't have time to wait.

When AI gets better, I suspect shots gonna be incorporated.
I always love porn interviews, its always good information about what went on in the past in the different eras of porn. There was one interview with Nabito with Yura Kano, that seemed fake as hell, like she was stuck in her persona. I know Nabitos interviews sometimes gets pulled because some interviews upsetsbthe Jav industry
 
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