Japanese Porn versus Western Porn: The Debate

[gregorsamsa]

Also, maybe this wasn't mentioned here before: there is just something so beautiful about what I call a "peach pussy" for me. I've touched upon this before here talking about Shirosaki Aoi, and maybe elsewhere on the forum, but just yesterday, I was watching Lily Rader's scene for Gloryhole, and man, she's so freaking hot: fair skin, blonde hair, slim, and overall, it feels as if she's been carved out of marble: her breasts, for example, are just the right size to be perky and yet still feel "streamline"... I know it's a strange way to talk about a female body but that's the best I can describe it: that her body uses the minimum amount of lines and to the maximum curvature and sexiness. And the best part, of course, is the whole pussy-and-ass area: quite a big ass, but a kind of ass that is all about being curvy (and hers is almost unbelievably curvy for such... volume... maybe she can be compared to Charlotte Stokely in that regard), and, of course, a perfect pussy, blending into a perfect "nether area" and making up a perfect body

I mean, in JAV, you wouldn't be able to appreciate that in full because of the censoring, and not just the pussy: the whole perfect combo of the curves in that area would be ruined by censoring (as there is also a really big cock involved, and it might get some of her body covered a lot). Yeah, I got used to censoring in JAV, but thank god Western porn is not being censored

I could've made a few screenshots, but it's better to observe those curves in action

Spoiler: Vaguely relevant rambling follows...

And by the way, that's what we can usually rely on JAV for, even still: there will be no tattoos in most cases. I mean, in some cases I'm totally fine with tattoos, even large ones (again, Reira is one of the best, and that tattoo adds to her image), but there is one huge advantage Lily had for me compared to Charlotte: she didn't have tattoos. Now, it seems, she does as well, which is her choice of course, but as for me, you can probably guess how I feel

Then again, I won't have the "best Lily Rader for me" anymore just because she's got older. With Kaho, for example, she's different now, but it's an interesting kind of different, she's still very sexy in a different kind of way. When she was doing JAV, she was still young in that way where you can say "she's young; she's voluptuous, she's naturally saggy already, but she's young". Now she's mature, and it's also a good thing, but still, if I could choose which Kaho to have a go with, I would be torn

 

[Electromog]

A producer that tried to do that in the west just wouldn't be able to be in the business because no one would buy their works.

Not so sure about that. There's already western porn sites that do fake creampies, like BBCPie.com, pretending it's real.

Maybe not facials because those are harder to fake without the mosaics.

 

[gregorsamsa]

As I have noted in another thread, there are also less obvious cum fakes in Western porn as well

 

[headcrusher]

Not so sure about that. There's already western porn sites that do fake creampies, like BBCPie.com, pretending it's real.

Maybe not facials because those are harder to fake without the mosaics.

I barely follow nowadays western porn but I'd say that's residual... I hope so.

 

[Taako]

I love jav but seriously, fake jizzs are a MASSIVE comedown for me. I'm watching AVSA-227. Super hot movie. But the jizzs? Every single one is fake. How can I jerk knowing the guys are not cumming on the girl?

Hahaha my friend. You jerk thinking about how wonderful the girl will love it from all your efforts.
Forget about the guy. You are THE guy

This is why I keep a reduced western porn collection. Sometimes I just want guys orgasming when fucking the girl, not some acto with a tube in his dick.

A producer that tried to do that in the west just wouldn't be able to be in the business because no one would buy their works.

I have some western porn and try to look at them again, but JAV just nails too many things for me.
Fake jizz is a small issue.

 

[headcrusher]

Hahaha my friend. You jerk thinking about how wonderful the girl will love it from all your efforts.
Forget about the guy. You are THE guy

Obviously I feel attracted by women, but I think sex is sex only if there's two people on it.
That's why I use porn videos and not some photos or just the imagination to jerk off.

I have some western porn and try to look at them again, but JAV just nails too many things for me.
Fake jizz is a small issue.

For me it's a big issue and that's why I jerk off only when the scene is about sex. I mean. MISM is my favourite series, but I never finish using the ejaculation part, because even if that part is hotter than hell, I just don't believe the jizzs on the throat are real.

 

[Taako]

Obviously I feel attracted by women, but I think sex is sex only if there's two people on it.
That's why I use porn videos and not some photos or just the imagination to jerk off.

I hope you know I am not arguing your stance.

That said, when we regular watch movies/videos, in general, we are using both video and our imagination
to enjoy the experience.
That is how it works and it's normal.

For me it's a big issue and that's why I jerk off only when the scene is about sex. I mean. MISM is my favourite series, but I never finish using the ejaculation part, because even if that part is hotter than hell, I just don't believe the jizzs on the throat are real.

oK.

 

[hoochimama]

Most cumshots in western porn are also fake. From yogurt dropped on the girl's face, to squirt tubes held alongside the dick, to guys using a syringe to inject white goop straight into their dicks that they then piss out. Not a whole lot of taking chances with the "moneyshot" given its importance for some customers.

 

[headcrusher]

Most cumshots in western porn are also fake. From yogurt dropped on the girl's face, to squirt tubes held alongside the dick, to guys using a syringe to inject white goop straight into their dicks that they then piss out. Not a whole lot of taking chances with the "moneyshot" given its importance for some dudes.

I don't know what kind of porn are you watching, but that's not true.

 

[Taako]

I don't know what kind of porn are you watching, but that's not true.

It has been known that western porn have used fake shots.
Some have fluffers or stand bys to get that money shot. Normal for porn.
Western, have been known to use fake dicks too and vaginas. Again normal for porn.

However, I think the percentage is lower than Japanese use of fake shots imo.

 

[headcrusher]

It has been known that western porn have used fake shots.
Some have fluffers or stand bys to get that money shot. Normal for porn.
Western, have been known to use fake dicks too and vaginas. Again normal for porn.

However, I think the percentage is lower than Japanese use of fake shots imo.

I'm kinda outdated with western porn (10 years can be a lot in this matter) so I've checked some videos of the most viewed channels in xvideos. Brazzers, teamskeet, etc. I've only seen one fake jizz (I think he injected a solution in his penis).
In jav fake jizz is like a plague. 99% of creampies and throatpies are fake, and now even a lot of facials are fake too.

 

[Taako]

I'm kinda outdated with western porn (10 years can be a lot in this matter) so I've checked some videos of the most viewed channels in xvideos. Brazzers, teamskeet, etc. I've only seen one fake jizz (I think he injected a solution in his penis).
In jav fake jizz is like a plague. 99% of creampies and throatpies are fake, and now even a lot of facials are fake too.

Of course there are more than one. You will never get the actual number.
Just like you will never get the actual number it's used in JAV.

It's just JAV rather sacrifice jizz for storyline and the willingness of the actresses.
The male actors in JAV might not even care too much as long as they go.

I think the western actors might care a little more, perhaps.

 

[headcrusher]

Of course there are more than one. You will never get the actual number.
Just like you will never get the actual number it's used in JAV.

It's just JAV rather sacrifice jizz for storyline and the willingness of the actresses.
The male actors in JAV might not even care too much as long as they go.

I think the western actors might care a little more, perhaps.

I know there's more than 1, I'm just saying fake jizzs are not even 1/10 of the cumshots we can see in mainstream western porn.

At the end it's about viewers not punishing producers. Directors are aware they can make movies the way they want without the "hassle" of finishing them when the guy cums.

I love jav plots and art direction, but at the end this is about sex. Actor can't even perform a fake orgasm!

 

[Taako]

I know there's more than 1, I'm just saying fake jizzs are not even 1/10 of the cumshots we can see in mainstream western porn.

I know whatg u mean, but there no evidence to support that "1/10". We just don't know.

At the end it's about viewers not punishing producers. Directors are aware they can make movies the way they want without the "hassle" of finishing them when the guy cums.

Not trying to argue but what do you mean "Viewer not punishing producers?
You either buy/watch porn or you don't.

Not all directors can make the porn they want. Some have to do what the studios want.

I love jav plots and art direction, but at the end this is about sex. Actor can't even perform a fake orgasm!

JAV also provides sex in their movies.

Have you seen and heard western fake orgasms?
I mean if you want over-the-top with lots of body twitching like someone possessed
or screaming "Fuck me! Fuck me harder! Yes! Yes! Do it harder! etc, etc

Western porn not exactly winning any awards with their orgasm scenes.

 

[gregorsamsa]

I think that with orgasms, we can't really tell either as it's even easier to fake. I mean Kaho Shibuya is my favorite, but I will be among the first to admit that her reactions and overall enthusiasm seem to be too much, to the point that you just feel that "yeah, she's just doing it for the porn". Of course, to really get into it as a woman, I think, you need to be either really comfortable with having sex in such conditions and be able to get your kicks even then and there, or you need to be getting your kicks because of these conditions. Both cases, I think, are quite rare. And even then, maybe that's how she it. Maybe that's how her body works and that's how she genuinely reacts*

That's why it's hard to tell: jizz looks more or less the same, but orgasms in general, especially in women... oh boy... I would bet a lot of money that there are lots of women who, while having the most intense orgasms of their life, would be almost silent and their face would not reflect much of what they're going through, maybe just through bitten lips and closed eyes and red cheeks... they would be essentially spacing out of the real world, immersed into the experience. There might be just as many who are very active and vocal about it... But the point is the variety. Jizz can be more or less watery, more or less white, but it can be too thick or too white (though, again, there are exceptions, but I think they are statistically rarer than the variation in orgasm behaviors in women). Genuine orgasms cannot be too loud or quiet maybe... I guess... but with Kaho, I'm still not convinced

* And even if her enthusiasm is fake/just for the porn, I still appreciate her performance a lot: she is one of the best not just in the tit department but also in the popping business as well (I mean, she might be not among the best deep-throaters but when she sucks you might almost always be expecting loud pops along the way). So, I maybe want to say that fake orgasms are not that much of a problem for me. But on the other hand, I do appreciate when there are signs that are hard or even impossible to fake like nipples getting hard and swollen, certain body areas becoming red... And again, sometimes, just the girl sweating a lot is really a turn-on... But fake jizz can ruin all of that close to 100% of the time

 

[Taako]

I think that with orgasms, we can't really tell either as it's even easier to fake. I mean Kaho Shibuya is my favorite, but I will be among the first to admit that her reactions and overall enthusiasm seem to be too much, to the point that you just feel that "yeah, she's just doing it for the porn". Of course, to really get into it as a woman, I think, you need to be either really comfortable with having sex in such conditions and be able to get your kicks even then and there, or you need to be getting your kicks because of these conditions. Both cases, I think, are quite rare. And even then, maybe that's how she it. Maybe that's how her body works and that's how she genuinely reacts*

You bring up some interesting things from Kaho Shibuya perspective
Honestly, while not my favorite I do believe she gives her all in most her scenes.
I am only invested seeing her boobies bounce and shake all over the place.
When she does have her orgasm it looks "real" enough for me because I love seeing her big chest reacting to it.

Is she faking it? Is it real? I don't even care haha

That's why it's hard to tell: jizz looks more or less the same, but orgasms in general, especially in women... oh boy... I would bet a lot of money that there are lots of women who, while having the most intense orgasms of their life, would be almost silent and their face would not reflect much of what they're going through, maybe just through bitten lips and closed eyes and red cheeks... they would be essentially spacing out of the real world, immersed into the experience. There might be just as many who are very active and vocal about it... But the point is the variety.

Yes. I will be the first to say its rare for me to tell. Even in real life lol
The ladies I've been with are generally having a good time.

In porn, it's just the actress can not be screaming a lot or acting possessed.

Jizz can be more or less watery, more or less white, but it can be too thick or too white (though, again, there are exceptions, but I think they are statistically rarer than the variation in orgasm behaviors in women). Genuine orgasms cannot be too loud or quiet maybe... I guess... but with Kaho, I'm still not convinced

I have made up my mind that shots in JAV is fake but facials and belly shots might be real
unless it looks like yogurt.
It does not bother me at all.

 

[gregorsamsa]

Yeah, "external" cum-shots i.e. on the face, belly, ass etc. are more likely to be real or at least to be faked better because they are easier to spot: with cream-pies be it inside the pussy or mouth, you obviously can't see through the skin, and in case of oral shots (even if it's an open-mouth oral from the distance, i.e. the girl opens her mouth, and the guy shoots inside it without touching her), you as the maker can also justify the "unusual" texture, color etc. by saying that it got mixed up with saliva etc. With external shots, there are fewer tricks you can play, and on the face especially, the cum will be under more inspection because we are just more used to be attentive to other's faces

Also, external ones and the open-mouth shots are just more difficult to fake technically since you'll need to either make the camera look away (which is blasphemy in case of facials since if any kind of cum-shot process needs to be shown it's the facial) or put the tubes in such a way that they are not visible. And tubes are more difficult to utilize and hide than just smearing your cock with white stuff just before the "oral cream-pie" while the camera looks away

Right, I got tired of writing about all the crap they do just not to use real cum. To rephrase a certain British comedy show, "Real cum? Bollocks more like". Well, at least we can be sure that, even if the are no raw insertions into the pussy/ass (condoms all the time), even if the cum is fake, we can take at least some creepy joy in the fact that the girls still need to touch the dick and the balls* directly with their lips and mouths. And being a guy mostly interested in oral in porn, that might be enough already

* I tried to include them both in some kind of a euphemism, but which one? I could've said "skin flute" but what about the balls then? I could've tried to use "bagpipe" even, but it's more like "the pipe and the pipe-bags"... So, just "dick and balls"

 

[gregorsamsa]

I am only invested seeing her boobies bounce and shake all over the place.

And as for that, as I wrote here, I must be so into her boobs that they alone are enough for me to make her my favorite JAV star (same with Shiori being the second just because of her booty). So yeah, just seeing them bounce and shake is enough, but I've been doing that for so long that I started notice some cool thing she does as well

 

[hoochimama]

I don't know what kind of porn are you watching, but that's not true.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/porn-stars-reveal-the-secret-to-massive-cum-shots/
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/how-to-make-fake-cum
http://www.planetsuzy.org/t489958-fake-cum-shots-how-do-they-really-do-it.html
https://www.vice.com/en/article/history-of-the-money-shot-cum-fetish/
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/fake-cumshots-13056
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/fake-cumshots
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/cumshot-surprise-is-a-fake

Every scene needs a cumshot. The few western male pornstars who actually get regular porn work shoot 3-5 days a week. The off-porn days they're not shooting content they're working their escort gigs (mostly fucking/getting fucked by male customers) and those too are gonna ask for a cumshot. In the unlikely event the male pornstar has anything left in the tank for his pornshoots and can actually cum then the moneyshot is going to be recorded right at the beginning of the shoot -before most of the sex action takes place- and placed at the end of the scene through editing.
And since the regular male western pornstar - mostly around 35-40 years old - has to jizz at least once a day, chances are the amount he cums then isn't going to be impressive or enough by porn standards. So they're going to fake the moneyshots in porn videos most of the time, and for still pics they will fake it every single time.

Also the girls don't have orgasms while getting fucked on porn sets, you're also not actually chatting with them on onlyfans, and Santa Claus isn't real either.

 

[gregorsamsa]

Sounds convincing but sites like Jesse Loads Monster Facials, and their BTS scenes specifically, make me believe still that there are at least some consistently real cum-shots. (Their BTS are shot throughout both the photoset and video shooting parts and seem to have no edits, and I actually re-watched one of them recently, and the cum-shot part is after the scene, not before: the only "trick" that I got from there is they do not duplicate the cumming part for the photo and the video; they photo-shoot everything apart from the cum-shot before shooting video, then they shoot the video, and then they also shoot the facial part for the photo gallery, thus completing it; so it goes — first, the gallery except the shot, then the video with the shot, then shooting the results of same facial for the gallery.)

Also, what about amateur porn? There must be some individuals gifted like that. (Again, a recent discovery of mine: the guy is hung, and he also has huge cum-shots, at least in this scene; if this one is fake as well, then it would be really difficult to pull off considering that it's all filmed in one shot, no moving the camera and no edits... yeah, you could add "seemingly" to almost any claim I'm making here, but "all cum is fake" is too much as well... being a bitter fellow in some regards, I would actually be OK with that on a philosophical level, and it would add one more reason to my list of "Why the World is a Huge F...king Joke"*, but I think that it's objectively just too bold of a statement to make.)

* This could be "Faking", by the way. The human world actually is one fake atop another in too many aspects