Japanese Porn versus Western Porn: The Debate

[intrepid8]

I hate it when the girl's pants, skirt or panties are removed below the bottom of the frame, where the camera is focusing on her top half.

That should be a flogging offense!

They are so much better with the clothing (except the pantyhose and slippers).

Nice additions, love me some mini skirts and pencil skirts. Sign me up for ballroom gowns, bridal wear, high fashion, latex, race queens... a myriad of others...

I'm going to have to fight you on the pantyhose though...

 

[maelstrom9999]

One other point of comparison has to do with breasts and butts. Or as we say in America, the T and the A.

In American porn, sure we like big tits. But big meaty round bubble butts are the thing here. To illustrate the point, we've had loads of popular American pornstars this past decade with pretty faces, great asses, and small or medium sized, unaugmented breasts. Lily Carter, Allie Haze, and Mia Malkova to name just three. Mia's ass has almost certainly been augmented but not her modest sized breasts.

Anyway, in American porn, if you want to see breast play, you have to watch a boob focused porn series like "boob bangers." In those they may oil up the tits, kneed them, etc. Otherwise, breast play is minimal or non-existent, even if the girl has big tits. But asses get oiled up, jiggled, spanked all the time. And most tease sequences focus on the ass. Not sure if it was "Buttman" in the 90's who started this but it's everywhere now.

In JAV, it's the exact opposite. If it doesn't have a tag like "huge butt" and doesn't show chicks bent over in most of the screenshots, you can forget asses. Even if the girl has a great ass. In one series of vids, there's a chick with big tits and a big ass, always wearing a white shirt and tight jeans. She has come in from the rain and her top is see-through. The camera spends a good minute or more close up on her top, where you can see a floral printed bra through it. Then she goes and bends over to get something from a drawer, taking extra long, because she knows this is supposed to be ass tease. Too bad there's a coffee table blocking her entire ass. Had they cared about teasing with the ass, the coffee table would not have been there. Can you imagine having an object blocking a woman's huge boobs in a tight see-through top? Sacrilege!

I also notice that when they have women strip, they often are not asked to turn around, bend over, etc. It's strange to see a presentation of a naked woman where they just assume you are only interested in seeing the front side of her. In some JAV vids, I can go the entire length of it without seeing a single unobstructed view of her ass, with the only view being during doggy sex when it is partially covered by the guy. If it's the first time I saw the girl, I might not even be able to tell if she has a nice ass or not by the end of a 2 hr+ video.

Not sure why there is this difference in body part fixation between the two cultures. But unfortunately I really like both. I miss all the hot asses when I watch JAV, and miss all the big beautiful tits when I watch American.

 

[asianbooblover]

intrepid8/​

maelstrom9999- as far as I'm concerned, knocked the ball out of the park- getting horny just reading this!​

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[maelstrom9999]

I just keep coming up with more things I like or don't like about JAV v. American. JAV is better on most of the big stuff. It's just certain smaller things. Like the pantyhose and vibrators I mentioned before. And this one: I could go my entire life without ever seeing a chick suck on a guy's nipples, and I'll die perfectly content. This is literally why they invented the fast forward function on video players.

 

[headcrusher]

I must be one of the few here who likes the nipple thing

But only when it's part of something bigger. That nipple licking with the guy seated and the girl standing is boring as fuck. But when the girl comes from licking the balls and is going up to the face (or the opposite) and halfway starts licking your nipples while her tits are rubbing your dick... Holy shit, I literally see stars. I prefer that than most of postures.

 

[headcrusher]

The best thing about JAV is the ridiculous amount of super hot girls. Doesn't matter how many TBs have you donwloaded. You will enter your favourite JAV library and in 10 minutes you'll find the hottest girl ever.

Like... Who's Suehiro Jun or Natsume Hibiki?

 

[thotpatrol]

I think that thing that made it so easy for me to get into JAV was the code system which allowed me to easily find videos. JAV having a standard of releases focusing on one actress compared to Western releases mainly focusing on a theme with multiple actresses also made it easy to eventually build a collection of favorites. I know JAV titles can translate to some pretty rediculous titles, but as long as I got a code, I can find it.
I still enjoy Western stuff though. It's nice to go back and forth between JAV and Western porn.

 

[hoochimama]

I mostly consume western porn. My main thing is I enjoy a good tease so I love following hot youtube/tiktok/instagram social media girls who put out those sexy dance/try-on/yoga/asmr etc videos for years on end before they finally take the next step into xxx. It's the same kick I get from when a celebrity sextape leaks out, when a chakuero model shows more skin than is allowed, when a gravure idol finally does jav, when a longtime jav star finally lifts her anal ban (still waiting on yumi kazama) etc. Thanks to the popularity of onlyfans and the pandemic ruining the instagram high priced prostitution business there is now an endless supply of long-time teasing social media girls finally going the "extra mile". Much rarer with japanese chicks.

For those comparing apples and oranges by equating a full-priced feature length JAV DVD that was shot in multiple locations over the course of several days to the sort of random western gonzo scene that a western website is expected to put out daily as part of a $15 a month subscription, are you actually unaware of western studios that produce a more cinematic feature length porn or televisual one? Why not compare fellatiojapan to deeper.com or missax while you're at it then?
Not to mention how you make it sound as if JAV DVD's storytelling is actually good rather than simply better than a mere gonzo scene when they're still comically poorly acted and poorly directed for the most part. Every single JAV adaption of my favorite hentai mangas has been trash. If you have fetishes that require storytelling I'd say that regardless of JAV or western you will rarely find something good enough to let you suspend your disbelief -unless you're not particularly critical/have low standards- and are better off with mainstream erotic movies.

The chicks on the covers of JAV DVDs are very hot, true, it's too bad most of them don't exist outside of photoshop and fisheye lenses. And then there's the problem of the unmemorable faces, generically pretty but generically forgettable, like most runway models. The fact that JAV star phenotypes are fairly similar for the most part isn't then helped by most of them also trying to conform their looks/look the same as one another with similar haircuts, styling and even similar mannerisms/attitude.

JAV suffers from genital censorship, true, and it makes anal scenes practically pointless (who can even tell where it's going) but western porn suffers from (IMO) a far worse form of censorship: creative censorship. By censoring so many themes/topics western porn cannot be as bold, as shocking, as pornographic as JAV. That's the biggest advantage of JAV: its freedom to experiment, to be playful.

As a fan of r*** though, kink.com was amazing in it's heyday...no one did things like they did, HardcoreGangbang remains the most realistic depictions of gangrape (for the first 20 minutes at least).

Also Shoplyfter...it may be the only place to watch a rapey performance from a big name pornstar.

And the indie scene is pretty good. Primal Fetish, Bareback Studios anyone?

There are western studios in that niche that produce much more realistic/darker fetish videos with pornstars, they just don't sell them on heavily censored platforms like clips4sale.

 

[headcrusher]

The chicks on the covers of JAV DVDs are very hot, true, it's too bad most of them don't exist outside of photoshop and fisheye lenses. And then there's the problem of the unmemorable faces, generically pretty but generically forgettable, like most runway models. The fact that JAV star phenotypes are fairly similar for the most part isn't then helped by most of them also trying to conform their looks/look the same as one another with similar haircuts, styling and even similar mannerisms/attitude.

I hardly disagree here. In JAV there's beauty while in western porn beauty is a rarity, and that's the reason there's so much stir when a really handsome woman makes a pretty hardcore scene. Like when that asian amateur girl, Mayli, made a scene for FacialAbuse.
You talk about phenotypes... well, obviously the japanese market is for japanese girls. You can't expect the same variety when western porn has afro-american, western european, white-american, latin, etc girls. But I'm telling you, if western producers had a lot of girls we wouldn't be able to see such variety, because producers would hire really hot girls, and a lot of western porn-stars are just normal girls that are just good at fucking.

I've watched western porn since ever, and you just can't compare jav girls with western porn girls. In my country (europe) just doing a porn video means everyone you know will know you are a porn actress. Why would a hot/handsome woman start a career? I go to a low-cost gym with a lot of young people. I can go at any time and pick 3 girls hotter than most of western porn stars.

 

[hoochimama]

I hardly disagree here. In JAV there's beauty while in western porn beauty is a rarity, and that's the reason there's so much stir when a really handsome woman makes a pretty hardcore scene. Like when that asian amateur girl, Mayli, made a scene for FacialAbuse.

Facialabuse is crackhead/ugly girl porn designed to take advantage of newbies who will never shoot porn again, that's why it's surprising when a chick who's not a crackhead ends up there. It's simply not the place to look for modelesque pornstars as opposed to places like https://www.hegre.com/models, https://femjoy.com/models, https://www.vixen.com/models or https://www.sexart.com/models. You are more likely to find fitness chicks on onlyfans than ghettogaggers.

 

[maelstrom9999]

Facialabuse is crackhead/ugly girl porn designed to take advantage of newbies who will never shoot porn again, that's why it's surprising when a chick who's not a crackhead ends up there. It's simply not the place to look for modelesque pornstars as opposed to places like https://www.hegre.com/models, https://femjoy.com/models, https://www.vixen.com/models or https://www.sexart.com/models. You are more likely to find fitness chicks on onlyfans than ghettogaggers.

LOL anyone who visits facialabuse.com can see this right up on the front page. Those chicks are skanks.

They did get a few better looking ones earlier on in their catalogue. Danica Dillon did three episodes of it. But they haven't gotten much other than skanks since then.

 

[headcrusher]

Facialabuse is crackhead/ugly girl porn designed to take advantage of newbies who will never shoot porn again, that's why it's surprising when a chick who's not a crackhead ends up there. It's simply not the place to look for modelesque pornstars as opposed to places like https://www.hegre.com/models, https://femjoy.com/models, https://www.vixen.com/models or https://www.sexart.com/models. You are more likely to find fitness chicks on onlyfans than ghettogaggers.

And they have to get skanks because hot and pretty girls are not willing to do that kind of videos, while you can see in JAV how's normal to see super cute girls getting facefucked by 3 guys.
You only get to see hot girls in series like hookuphotshot or that amateur girl in a room thing (I dont remember the name, but the producers were denounced).

 

[headcrusher]

After some holidays in the beach and revisiting 141jav I say it again... how ugly are western actresses. Not only comparing to japanese actresses, you just have to compare with normal women. The other day I saw a mother in her 30something with a perfect body. Straight belly, nice ass and tits and pretty face. You just don't see that in WP, but you see it everyday in JAV.
It's just a society thing. If one of these women wanted to jump into porn she would bepretty famous in few days, and not everyone is willing to bear that.

 

[maelstrom9999]

There's just more profit in the industry, and consequentially, they pay more. Better pay attracts better looking actresses.

 

[headcrusher]

There's just more profit in the industry, and consequentially, they pay more. Better pay attracts better looking actresses.

Of course, but you can't ignore the fact that in Japan if you're a cute 18yo girl you know in the last 5 years there have been hundreds of actresses like you. Probably nobody is going to recognize you, and if that happens you'll continue with your life after porn. In the west that's just impossible. Nobody is going to risk a normal life just to earn 3000$ recording some scenes.

 

[Zen10101]

There are western studios in that niche that produce much more realistic/darker fetish videos with pornstars, they just don't sell them on heavily censored platforms like clips4sale.

Like what? I'm a curator of this stuff. PKF?

The intensity of kink in its heyday is just hard to match. Multiple men grabbing a girl genuinely struggling and shot with a professional setup.

 

[darksider59]

while you can see in JAV how's normal to see super cute girls getting facefucked by 3 guys.

I don't remember seeing that. I've seen (not watched as it doesn't turn me on at all) rough/sm theme for some actresses (freelancers), but not rough to the point of seeing the girl spitting or having her head bounced around.

Of course, but you can't ignore the fact that in Japan if you're a cute 18yo girl you know in the last 5 years there have been hundreds of actresses like you. Probably nobody is going to recognize you, and if that happens you'll continue with your life after porn. In the west that's just impossible. Nobody is going to risk a normal life just to earn 3000$ recording some scenes.

Dudes who watch porn will recognize her, like they do in the west. It's like saying there are tons of white actresses in porn, nobody will recognize a particular girl. Well ... It happens a lot.

 

[hoochimama]

Like what? I'm a curator of this stuff. PKF?

The intensity of kink in its heyday is just hard to match. Multiple men grabbing a girl genuinely struggling and shot with a professional setup.

Yeah most of the nicheclips studios. Obviously nowhere near the production values of kink's hardcoregangbangs/publicdisgrace/theupperfloor etc but still much less comical than something like shoplyfter, which is usually too poorly acted to convincingly deliver any sort of taboo.

Hard to fathom that currently teamskeet/mylfed and hentaied seem the most experimental and adventurous of western studios.

 

[asianbooblover]

Apologize if i have mentioned this before, but have noticed the men in JAV do a lot more wimpering than western porn, especially when receiving a hand job or blow job..maybe a cultural thing or maybe western guys do not feel that is not macho enough..also, a lot more dialogue during sex in JAV than western porn

 

[Zen10101]

Yeah most of the nicheclips studios. Obviously nowhere near the production values of kink's hardcoregangbangs/publicdisgrace/theupperfloor etc but still much less comical than something like shoplyfter, which is usually too poorly acted to convincingly deliver any sort of taboo.

Hard to fathom that currently teamskeet/mylfed and hentaied seem the most experimental and adventurous of western studios.

I actually enjoy shoplyfter a great deal more when they fully commit to r*** acting compared to the likes of helplessteens etc that don't really seem to know what they're doing...they're like regular porn with some bondage pretending to be CNC. Brutalpickups is alright.

But damn, shoplyfter with lilly hall for example really hits the spot for me.