JAV actresses with natural breasts

[striker01]

Generally I'm in the Anri Okita all natural camp, but the following gifs make me have some doubts about that.
How can she move her breasts like that? I thought breast flexing was only possible with implants.
https://gfycat.com/FlakyOrneryGuppy
https://gfycat.com/PleasantEthicalFantail
And here they do move quite a lot, but they are holding their shape and do not flatten enough to the sides
https://gfycat.com/BriefClassicAmazondolphin

Any thoughts on that?

 

[david mcgee]

See even video "evidence" is very subjective. Same clip, different people make different conclusion. For you they look doubtful, for me the same clip is evidence there is NO implant. I also invested 2 minutes just now and find a clip of her being fucked in a supine position, for big melons the upward boin is a difficult test. I would admit hers is a bit less floppy than I expect for her size and age (27 at the time of the vid). But overall I am satisfied with both clips. They do flop and swing and sag sufficiently convincingly. A bit too firm so I can't be 100% sure, but overall, combining with the footage (zero incidence of misshapening) that I remember, I'd give her 75% vote of confidence.

One lady that still give me trouble is Mio Kimijima, one look at her I said out loud "Nexus-6, pleasure model". She looks like a CGI-synthetic human. But by now I've seen more than 10 scenes of hers (probably only 1/20 of all the vids she's putting out) and I still haven't seen any misshapening, which is totally outside my expectation. E.g. by chance I re-watch MIAE-150, e.g. 21:10~21:59 and 25:00~32:00, it's quite positive proof of no-implant. So could it be her sin is only she is too perfect looking (BTW I am still convinced she had a lot of minor cosmetic surgeries, mostly skin tugs etc, but no breast implants). But contrary to my first impression, her tits do flop around... so actually all these debate isn't pointless... I have just managed to convince myself to watch more Mio Kimijima.

Soooo.... for me the three mortal sins of breast enhancement: (1) misshapening, (2) failure to flop, (3) wide base-to-volume ratio. The misshapening is by far the worse sin and very common for Silicone Valley porn stars. The failure to flop is also much much worse in American porn stars than JAV. The wide base problem is more common for JAV and becoming more and more common.

A random example is Noa Mizuhara 水原乃亜, the stat line is not arousing suspicion, only C-cups, actually visually they look bigger than C, anyway that's the official stats. But just looking at the covers (I don't think I've seen her vids yet) I get very suspicious, very wide base but not very large breast volume. They don't flop around and not a lot of tits for the grabbing. I can't tell if I just don't like this kind of boob shape or they look and feel fake to me. Many newcomers (since maybe late 2017) have these kind of boobs, not sure about reality, but in my mind, they shove them all into the fake bin.

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Regarding Noa Mizuhara, you can't judge based on box photos. Her SSNI box cover pics all have her breasts photo shopped to the max. Her breasts are actually no where near that large and have the same shape and only a little more size than they had in gravure photos and vids from 2014 when she was just 18. SSNI has been doing the same of late with a number of other young girls that are even smaller chested like Miru Sakamichi on their box covers as well.

 

[jamesjones01]

China Matsuoka

 

[ding73ding]

China Matsuoka

I am a huge fan, was very sad when she retired for health problem. I think she is real, in the same category as big saggy melons are trusty busty. But also same with Anri Okita, it's not 100% sure.

 

[ding73ding]

Generally I'm in the Anri Okita all natural camp, but the following gifs make me have some doubts about that.
How can she move her breasts like that? I thought breast flexing was only possible with implants.
https://gfycat.com/FlakyOrneryGuppy
https://gfycat.com/PleasantEthicalFantail
And here they do move quite a lot, but they are holding their shape and do not flatten enough to the sides
https://gfycat.com/BriefClassicAmazondolphin
Any thoughts on that?

At this point we are only bouncing speculations. Anyhoo... here goes

For "breast flexing" I am not sure what it is and have never heard of implants making possible that which I don't sure what it is, and I am not sure she is really doing that which I am not sure what it is. Seems to me she's doing something, with her rib cage and/or diaphragm, even with a helping of her entire torso jerking a bit. The breasts only follow passively the motion of the chest, seems to me.

About flattening and flopping to the sides when supine. I agree hers seem too firm to be real, yet they also flop enough that any implant should show as misshapening, so on the balance, I think it's easier to believe she has some genetic freak of nature giving her such supple tits than to believe that there's some magical implant or plastic surgeon can make such huge fake tits that survive several years of intense JAV-making.

 

[Casshern2]

I ran these images through my BA App. Results are interesting. As you can see, in the bounce down there looks to be a very unnatural line or border or definite end to the breast, it doesn't quite naturally blend in to her body well. But, is that normal?



Here is another view a few seconds later without the highlight.



Thoughts?

 

[sendagaya]

https://twitter.com/AnriOkita_real/status/538265397477134336

Anri claims they are real. I believe her.

 

[darksider59]

See even video "evidence" is very subjective. Same clip, different people make different conclusion. For you they look doubtful, for me the same clip is evidence there is NO implant. I also invested 2 minutes just now and find a clip of her being fucked in a supine position, for big melons the upward boin is a difficult test. I would admit hers is a bit less floppy than I expect for her size and age (27 at the time of the vid). But overall I am satisfied with both clips. They do flop and swing and sag sufficiently convincingly. A bit too firm so I can't be 100% sure, but overall, combining with the footage (zero incidence of misshapening) that I remember, I'd give her 75% vote of confidence.


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https://twitter.com/AnriOkita_real/status/538265397477134336

Anri claims they are real. I believe her.

Shoko also denied having her boobs done on twitter. Why believing one and not the other ?

One lady that still give me trouble is Mio Kimijima, one look at her I said out loud "Nexus-6, pleasure model". She looks like a CGI-synthetic human. But by now I've seen more than 10 scenes of hers (probably only 1/20 of all the vids she's putting out) and I still haven't seen any misshapening, which is totally outside my expectation. E.g. by chance I re-watch MIAE-150, e.g. 21:10~21:59 and 25:00~32:00, it's quite positive proof of no-implant. So could it be her sin is only she is too perfect looking (BTW I am still convinced she had a lot of minor cosmetic surgeries, mostly skin tugs etc, but no breast implants). But contrary to my first impression, her tits do flop around... so actually all these debate isn't pointless... I have just managed to convince myself to watch more Mio Kimijima.

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A screenshot from a movie released in 2014. She's on the right. She didn't gain weight, she's a smoker and obviously did something to her face.

A random example is Noa Mizuhara 水原乃亜, the stat line is not arousing suspicion, only C-cups, actually visually they look bigger than C, anyway that's the official stats. But just looking at the covers (I don't think I've seen her vids yet) I get very suspicious, very wide base but not very large breast volume. They don't flop around and not a lot of tits for the grabbing. I can't tell if I just don't like this kind of boob shape or they look and feel fake to me. Many newcomers (since maybe late 2017) have these kind of boobs, not sure about reality, but in my mind, they shove them all into the fake bin.

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If you are using movie covers to judge, no wonder you think natural girls did PS. david mcgee is right, the covers are so badly photoshopped that I sometimes don't even recognize the girl.

 

[ding73ding]

I ran these images through my BA App. Results are interesting. As you can see, in the bounce down there looks to be a very unnatural line or border or definite end to the breast, it doesn't quite naturally blend in to her body well. But, is that normal?

I did see that without using an app. I agree it arouse suspicion. However, I still can't imagine any implant and/or plastic surgeon can create a such a perfectly looking enhancement. So I can only repeat/reword my previous statement: it's doubtful they are real, it's impossible they are (humanly) fake.

Shoko also denied having her boobs done on twitter. Why believing one and not the other ?

I agree, don't drink the water from denial, without a grain of salt.

A screenshot from a movie released in 2014. She's on the right. She didn't gain weight, she's a smoker and obviously did something to her face.

Well... yeah... in 2014 she was ... 26, from 26 to 29 (2017 when she return to JAV as a bigger star than 2014) can boobs grow that much bigger? It's very suspicious... but you know I was just equally suspicious when I first saw her in 2017 without seeing her previous works.

There's a lot of knife-work on her, no one debates that. But are there implants in them boobs? To her boobs my view is same as Anri Okita.

If you are using movie covers to judge, no wonder you think natural girls did PS. david mcgee is right, the covers are so badly photoshopped that I sometimes don't even recognize the girl.

Well ok you guys caught me flat-footed. It's not fair to judge a girl by her covers. Actually I use the same principle myself, whenever I remeber. I never judge a vid by the boobs, I always judge boobs by the vids. I should amend to say Noa Mizuhara's boobs look fake on the cover. Except it's done in silica, not in silicone (sorry geek joke).

But I do select vids by the covers, I know it's unreliable, but I don't want to invest more time/effort on more reliable selection procedures. Anyway that's OT. Look I won't change my browsing and fapping habit to win a debate. I have my principles.

Also I don't judge a girl by the real vs. fake boobs. I am happy take fake boobs such as Shoko, Mio (?) if they aren't one of the 3 bad cases (misshapening, fail to flop, wide base).

Oh look there are more evidence against Noa Mizuhara, 2017 June, her stats 83C-61-86, 2018 April, new agency, new stats: 88E-59-86. I know stats and covers and denials are all untrusty but C- to E-cups with a 5 cm boost?

 

[Casshern2]

I did see that without using an app. I agree it arouse suspicion. However, I still can't imagine any implant and/or plastic surgeon can create a such a perfectly looking enhancement. So I can only repeat/reword my previous statement: it's doubtful they are real, it's impossible they are (humanly) fake.

BA App = Boob Analyzer App...=Brain

 

[sendagaya]

Is Asahi Mizuno real or fake? I think fake after going through this thread.

 

[ding73ding]

Is Asahi Mizuno real or fake? I think fake after going through this thread.

Yeah... you know I have very strong opinion... but participating in this thread is really affecting my outlook.

A few days ago I would put Mizuno and many of my fav busty idols as 100% real. Now I am starting to think many of my Goddesses are in fact maybe-artificial.

Maybe we (I) need a new scale:
1. absolutely uncontroversially universally all natural, example: Nene Yoshitaka 吉高寧々 my preference: unerectable, I guess they are all A-cup
2. almost certainly all natural, example: Rion, 希崎ジェシカ, Hitomi, my preference: mixed, everything from all time favs to total meh to unerectable are in here
3. zero evidence of fake, but just a bit more suspicious than 2., example: Asahi Mizuno, my preference: mixed to positive
4. zero evidence of fake, but too amazing/perfect to be natural, example: Sakura Miura, my preference: awesome!
5. zero evidence of fake, but not quite as floopy as expected, example: Anri Okita, my preference: awesome!
6. zero direct evidence of fake, but circumstantial evidence (changing over time), example: Mio Kimijima, my preference: awesome!
7. positive evidence of fake, but very rare to see, example: Shoko Takahashi, my preference: excellent!
8. probable evidence of fake, too wide-base etc, example: Rin Sasahara 咲々原リン, my preference: OK fappable
9. mild fail to flop, example: ???, my preference: unerectable
10. total fail to flop, example: ???, my preference : double unerectable
11. serious misshappening, example: HUSR-169 (e.g. this), my prefrence: triple unerectable

 

[darksider59]

Is Asahi Mizuno real or fake? I think fake after going through this thread.

Look real to me. She isn't slender, she's kinda busty. She even had a bit of belly fat during a certain period if I remember, but she started to diet or do sport I can't remember.


They aren't that big (compared to Anri's for example). But I consider them as the perfect size for big boobs. (Fun thing, I was about to follow her when she announced that she would stop making movies so I didn't lol. Already many girls to follow.)

When she's dressed, her boobs aren't working as an eye attraction.


Unlike


What I'm saying is that I wouldn't like a GF or wife with that kind of look. Kinda bitchy. That's why I have a limit of boob size lol. On the opposite side, if they are very small, I don't mind at all.

 

[ding73ding]

What about Asuna Kawai 河合あすな 88H-59-89?

I actually don't have many (if any!) of her vids. She always seems like a Cat. 8 (too wide base) to me so I always attracted by her covers but never downloaded her vids. Then... I noticed this promo frame (which is perhaps not as honest as video frame, studio might do photoshop on sample frames)

Is the right boob showing mild misshapening? It could also be normal shape change caused by mid-stroke upward-heaving, I don't know if it's positive proof, the photo just has a fake feel to it.

Ohh and then look at the reverse cum shot, so fake! Can believe anything on these promo pix!

 

[david mcgee]

What about Asuna Kawai 河合あすな 88H-59-89?

I actually don't have many (if any!) of her vids. She always seems like a Cat. 8 (too wide base) to me so I always attracted by her covers but never downloaded her vids. Then... I noticed this promo frame (which is perhaps not as honest as video frame, studio might do photoshop on sample frames)

Is the right boob showing mild misshapening? It could also be normal shape change caused by mid-stroke upward-heaving, I don't know if it's positive proof, the photo just has a fake feel to it.

Ohh and then look at the reverse cum shot, so fake! Can believe anything on these promo pix!

Have 3 of her vids ABP-709, ABP--731 & ABP-812 & they bounce and jiggle and shake like crazy no matter the position and slide down toward her arm pits when lying on her back. No weird lines, natural shape and really soft and squeezy so look very natural.

 

[david mcgee]

I hate to complicate the matter, but my sister who is a doctor, specializing in issues that effect the breasts, primarily breast cancer, has told me that even she can't always tell. She's done breast exams on women who she was almost certain had had implants, only to then look at their mammograms and see that they hadn't, and examined others who didn't look like they had only to discover they did. The main reason is the % of fat in the breasts which can vary enormously. Commonly breasts are composed of more than 50% fat, but the shape and feel of a breast with 51% fat is very different from one that is 75% or more fat. Many women however have what they call dense breasts, which are breasts where supportive tissue ie... muscle, makeup more than 50% of the breast and a combination of everything else including fat makeup less than 50%. If a woman's breast density goes over 75% they are classified as having extremely dense breasts, ie breasts with very little fat. Women with dense or extremely dense breasts have much firmer breasts than the average woman. A major downside is that they get breast cancer more often and when they do it isn't caught in it's early stages as dense breast tissue & implants both make detection much more difficult. Dense breasts can be naturally occurring or can be the result of physical activity. Women who are athletes and work heavily on their chest muscles, can develop denser breasts. An extreme example would be competitive women body builders who have very little body fat and an over abundance of hard muscle. Typically as women age they develop more breast fat and of course during pregnancy the % of breast fat also increases.

 

[ding73ding]

I hate to complicate the matter, but my sister who is a doctor, specializing in issues that effect the breasts, primarily breast cancer, has told me that even she can't always tell. She's done breast exams on women who she was almost certain had had implants, only to then look at their mammograms and see that they hadn't, and examined others who didn't look like they had only to discover they did. The main reason is the % of fat in the breasts which can vary enormously. Commonly breasts are composed of more than 50% fat, but the shape and feel of a breast with 51% fat is very different from one that is 75% or more fat. Many women however have what they call dense breasts, which are breasts where supportive tissue ie... muscle, makeup more than 50% of the breast and a combination of everything else including fat makeup less than 50%. If a woman's breast density goes over 75% they are classified as having extremely dense breasts, ie breasts with very little fat. Women with dense or extremely dense breasts have much firmer breasts than the average woman. A major downside is that they get breast cancer more often and when they do it isn't caught in it's early stages as dense breast tissue & implants both make detection much more difficult. Dense breasts can be naturally occurring or can be the result of physical activity. Women who are athletes and work heavily on their chest muscles, can develop denser breasts. An extreme example would be competitive women body builders who have very little body fat and an over abundance of hard muscle. Typically as women age they develop more breast fat and of course during pregnancy the % of breast fat also increases.

Damn bro you should have spoken up earlier!

I happen to know about breast cancer quite a bit due to career, but unfortunately not a doctor and don't know non-cancer breasts so much. Oh one more complementary point: on average Asian tits have lower fat % (more connective tissue, therefore firmer, on average, then some size white women). The point about doctor performing physical exam (much more systematic than porno breast play) not able to detect real vs fake should finally settle the debate.

All we can do is speculate and give subjective Like or Unlike, unless someone can find X-ray and ultrasound scan. Which brings me back to my original position, I like to rank breasts according to my likes, not according to real vs. fake. Looks real? That's all I care. Both Hitomi and Nene Yoshitaka look real enough, but not necessarily what I like.

 

[striker01]

My favorite girl with natural breasts on the smaller side Yuria Ashina.
https://gfycat.com/GentleGrandColt
https://gfycat.com/AfraidThinIraniangroundjay

 

[ding73ding]

My favorite girl with natural breasts on the smaller side Yuria Ashina.

Those may be "smaller side" for porn, but for Japanese general population, those are big big tits. So purely on statistical basis, I give her (or anyone with big beautiful tits) less than 50% confidence.

And than I look for a vid to check out (sadly no active torrent) and noticed this cover:

I would call that rather suspicious. HOWEVER, the clips that you posted are very excellent. So I go back to my same question, what does it matter? I only care that they don't misshapen during vigorous kneading and bouncy cowgirl. I don't care about their back history and I don't care about future issues. Speaking of which, I hardly hear about breast implants long term complications any more. Maybe it is totally a non-issue, not even for marriage.

So here is another scale, how much do I care about implants:
1. gravue: almost not at all I care about implant (Photoshop takes care of everything)
2. IV: a tiny little I care (still very hard to detect)
3. porn: a little care (only need to look good)
4. prostitute: somewhat care (now I get to squeeze with my own hands a few times)
5. girlfriend: quite care (they have to hold up for a few months of squeezing and bouncing)
6. wife: very much care (risk of long term complication, especially it may become embarrassing outside of our own privacy)
7. as mother of my kids: absolutely certain (admit it's a bit creepy to talk about, does a man with a busty wife want his daughters/granddaughters to have big tits?)

 

[holyabdul]

Some random thoughts.

Saki Okuda real.
Julia fake.
Nao Wakana fake.
Ami Yoshikawa fake.

I have heard nowadays you can graft fat to boobs now. Dunno if true or not. I didn't bother to research it.

But Japanese implants on average do look better than the telltale basketballs in the West.