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paparoach408

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Yeah An Tsujimoto retiring was unsurprising to me. She always had that look on her face like she hated being a pornstar to the point where she couldn't convincingly fake like other girls.
she was fine with porn, until not by her choice her agency moved her contract from TeamZero to S1 and hated how they did it, and she didn't want to leave her comfort zone, so she said she'd retire when her contract expired
 
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Hmmm... bottom grabbing on train? That's it? I mean yeah sure it's wrong and illegal but speaking as a non-Japanese, I'm un-sympathetic to Japan as a whole. There are so many wrongs in that story I don't even know where to begin. Japan so emphasize family, but they can't help their daughters deal with real world situation, in many countries parents wouldn't send a 10 year old girl by herself out after dark. They have a false faith in their low crime rate (defined as police reports) so they end up with damaged little girls who some of them end up in sex industry. I could be even more cynical but ok I will keep my mouth shut.

Next problem is why target 10 year old girls? I mean yeah I am a dirty old man too. But even if all the dirty old men could do all their dirty things freely, I wouldn't think 10 year old girls are that much at risk. I don't know maybe I am too skeptical of fake news... sorry guess I am jumping ahead. Mainstream media would have you believe the streets is crawling with pedophiles but I think in a normal decent society, mostly you would worry about young women, who are biologically mature (esp. tits) but mentally inexperienced and may be easily tricked.

But it really does seem Japanese streets are crawling with pedophiles and sexual deviants. What's the point of grabbing 10 year old ass? Definitely it's not for the creep's own pleasure, it's to cause mental pain and stress to others (the girl). What's worrying and disgusting is that a lot of JAV also reflects that, the real content of the porn isn't to give the man pleasure (goes without saying, we go by the model that the man is the predator, woman is the meat), it's to cause pain/discomfort/humiliation. Speaking as a dirty old man myself, I think that's pathological. Sure JAV has a role to give a harmless outlet to unhealthy fantasy but the way JAV does it seems to feed rather than control the pathological.

Anyway back to Koharu herself. I'm holding back on my other big-essay-post because maybe it's wiser to wait for more time and more posts rather than feed a big but unnecessary debate (says I). But here's my evolving thought:

BTW, a sidebar: Asia (including Japan) holds deep social stigma against mental illness (the kind that require psych med). The vast majority of Japanese would never even consider putting up a pic of psych med on social media. Side-side bar: Asia (especially Japan) suicide rate is high.

Koharu is known to write and write and write (not unlike me :) I am getting a feeling it's rather not that serious with her in reality, she just like to write as a therapy. She does have issues but if anything her issues are negatively affecting her AV career rather than the other way around (there are interest groups and even some AV fans who want to blame all wrongs to AV). How about this crazy thought, what she really need to work more AV, suck so much sperm into her pretty mouth she doesn't have time to feel pathetic, and stop popping those nasty psych meds. Ok sorry that's crazy and inappropriate ... maybe...

Anyway my point is her issues are not AV-derived, at least not directly. Social stigma against sex work is one thing but I mostly blame society not AV industry for it. Family and friends... well... it's pointless to assign blames, she and family need to work it out. Sad thing is many families can't work out their issues and there are are lot of misery going around. Compared to typical Asians, specifically Japanese girls, Koharu is very open and expressive about her issues. From my perspective, her real world condition is far better than average Japanese (men and women) and it's just her personality that she amplifies a normal level of misery to clinical depression and self-harm.

I enjoy many of her vids, and I feel sad that any girl I masturbate to is in emotional stress. But hey... end of the day, she needs to work things out on her own. Now... I'm going to my bedroom and re-watch (ahem) some of her vids.
 
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A side note, I had always been the AV girls as the Karayuki-san for the digital age where many of them, like their forebears, are rejected by their family.

The bigger of the AV girls are essentially Oiran
 

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Next problem is why target 10 year old girls? I mean yeah I am a dirty old man too. But even if all the dirty old men could do all their dirty things freely, I wouldn't think 10 year old girls are that much at risk. I don't know maybe I am too skeptical of fake news... sorry guess I am jumping ahead. Mainstream media would have you believe the streets is crawling with pedophiles but I think in a normal decent society, mostly you would worry about young women, who are biologically mature (esp. tits) but mentally inexperienced and may be easily tricked.

But it really does seem Japanese streets are crawling with pedophiles and sexual deviants. What's the point of grabbing 10 year old ass? Definitely it's not for the creep's own pleasure...

10 year old girls are totally at risk of being sexually molested. I don't follow any news related to Japan (barring the ones mentioned on this site) but I do occasionally look up some news online and it seems like there's not a day that passes by that you hear about another case of arabs and/or blacks gang/raping women and girls, sometimes children that are 12 or around that age. Happens in many countries in Western Europe and Sweden nowadays. And arab grooming gangs have been a thing in the UK for decades now. So no, it's not hard to imagine that there are pedophiles in Japan too, maybe even more than one would think. And no, in a normal, decent society you wouldn't worry about young women, because if the society were truly normal and decent, you wouldn't have to worry about things like that. But as things stand now, there are definitely people who get off on grabbing a 10 year old child's ass and on doing a lot worse to them.

...it's to cause mental pain and stress to others (the girl). What's worrying and disgusting is that a lot of JAV also reflects that, the real content of the porn isn't to give the man pleasure (goes without saying, we go by the model that the man is the predator, woman is the meat), it's to cause pain/discomfort/humiliation. Speaking as a dirty old man myself, I think that's pathological. Sure JAV has a role to give a harmless outlet to unhealthy fantasy but the way JAV does it seems to feed rather than control the pathological.

What you describe here holds truth, but I think that mostly depends on the viewer. But I can totally see where the two coincide, that is, causing the woman pain is what gives the man pleasure. There are guys who get off on humiliating and being rough with women in bed. I used to have a friend who showed me a clip of a woman getting literally face fucked, ejaculated on her face, and then the guy pushed her head into the toilet and flushed while holding it there. And he said that that was one of the best things that he'd ever seen and that every woman deserved that.

Also, whether porn helps live out one's fantasies so that he doesn't do that IRL (like r***) or just serves to perpetuate, normalise or even encourage him to seek it out IRL it depends on the person himself.
 

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It's just that to me, actresses are not a peace of meat but human, so I care to a certain point about their well being. I like to watch movies with an attractive girl smiling and "seducing" me, the viewer. A forced smile is easily noticeable. An Tsujimoto was a good point by Ding73ding. Another example : Minako Komukai. Isn't obsvious that she fucked up ?

About SNIS-787, I have it. Like I said, the production is different. Is she rushed to blow the guys or anything ? Nope. The actors aren't ikemen but they play salarymen. And I don't see any old toothless creepy dude.

For the brutal stuff, Dogma is a good example. It confirms my "theory" about the type of actresse.

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I care about their mental state as well, I just do not confuse facts vs fiction, and persona vs character. I just find weird arguing about the mental state of a porn actress on the basis of her performances. It is not that easy. Minako Komukai was known to be a very troubled person even while she was filming her first vanilla movies, and even well before joining AV. And I am pretty sure An Tsujimoto is mentally stable (whatever she liked starring in JAV or not), as well as AIKA (another actress known for her non-smiling character) or "extreme" Marie Konishi from VRTM-040.

The fact you consider fine a gangbang of your favorite actress with ugly men (several of them regulars in the ugly-men-themed movies) just because there isn't the toothless guy, this makes your previous points very flawed and evanescent. I really find hard to understand what the border line is supposed to be, as it is becoming thinner and surprisingly elastic post after post. Is then the studio? The toothless guy occationally works for S1 as well (eg with Aika Yumeno in SNIS-127, but she smiles in the cover, so she was probably fine with those ugly dudes). And I wonder if making a blowjob to him is really more "disgusting" than being manhandled, heavily kissed and licked in every part of their bodies by the ugly and fat "Frogman" Taku Yoshimura (someone who worked virtually with everyone, including Yua Mikami).

Reality is, some girls have enough self-confidence to shoot the most hardcore scenes without having their lives affected, while others should have never joined JAV in the first place, especially considering once you join JAV you'll soon fuck ugly and old guys, shoot molestation and r*** movies, making deepthoat, licking male assholes and so on. Porn-complainer Asuka Hoshino worked only for two big companies, and shot the vanillier possible vanilla movies, but she looked very unconfortable from her first to her last movie, and probably her first movie will always be her biggest trauma. It should be the agencies'duty to skip some profiles, as they have not the strength and the awareness to start a career in AV. But pretending someone's mental state depends on fucking an ugly guy is pure science fiction.
 

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she was fine with porn, until not by her choice her agency moved her contract from TeamZero to S1 and hated how they did it, and she didn't want to leave her comfort zone, so she said she'd retire when her contract expired
Side bar: fun fact: An Tsujimoto's last vid at TeamZERO TEAM-102 was the studio's last vid ever. An's co-graduate Suzu Suzumiya (TEAM-103, but actually released a few days before An') lasted not even 2 months after that. So for all her unwillingness, An's S1 tour was already longer than many AV star's entire career.

Well in the wider entertainment world, "by her choice" is a rarity anyway. Most performers surrender control to the agent and/or media company anyway. Of course the agent also has some responsibility to consider performer's preference but in J/K culture the power mostly is with the agent/company. Anyway the studio was being dissolved so there's no comfort zone for her to remain in.

Anyway she lasted long enough after the transfer, as I predicted back then. Retiring now is within expectation. Question is how well and how long she will last in the real world. She didn't succeed (too well) in AV, would she do better in the real world?
Another example : Minako Komukai. Isn't obsvious that she fucked up ?
Hmm Minako Komukai is a whole different story. I think she's messed up in the real world, but as far as I know her AV are pretty vanilla. The AV and sin industry in general of course attract some messed up people. And no one say AV is perfectly neutral, some girls become more messed up during AV career. But how much is AV industry to blame for the girls' issues? For Minako Komukai, all the news + gossips I read suggest the industry does the right things with her. 1. to keep a distance when she got in legal trouble, 2. to give her a chance when she get it back together. A fairly generous chance considering her real age, her career length and her weight.
 
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Japan so emphasize family, but they can't help their daughters deal with real world situation, in many countries parents wouldn't send a 10 year old girl by herself out after dark. They have a false faith in their low crime rate (defined as police reports) so they end up with damaged little girls who some of them end up in sex industry.

Japan, like any other country, as its problems. It's also something I don't understand, the "double standard" for family emphasize. Parents care about their kids being successful (like any parent in the world) but when they are facing a problem, the kid has to deal with it alone. I totally understand that for a victim of any age, being sexually harassed is a tough thing to confess. Making sure your kid know they can talk to you about anything, at any time, is extremely important. Personally, if that kind of situation when I became a dad, I would follow my little princess, wait couple of step behind and when the pedo tries to do it again, then ...

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Take him outside the train, take a pic of him, his ID and report him to the police. You can't beat the shit of him as you go in jail for that.

I agree that even if the country has a low rate crime and is far more secure than USA, France, UK and so on, there are still criminal. I read japanese news daily and murder/r*** cases are not rare. Sure, it's media, as soon as a story like this happen, they will report it. It gives you the feeling that every second, everywhere, a crime happens but the reality is different. After all, media are the same all around the world.

10 year old girls are totally at risk of being sexually molested. I don't follow any news related to Japan (barring the ones mentioned on this site) but I do occasionally look up some news online and it seems like there's not a day that passes by that you hear about another case of arabs and/or blacks gang/raping women and girls, sometimes children that are 12 or around that age. Happens in many countries in Western Europe and Sweden nowadays. And arab grooming gangs have been a thing in the UK for decades now. So no, it's not hard to imagine that there are pedophiles in Japan too, maybe even more than one would think. And no, in a normal, decent society you wouldn't worry about young women, because if the society were truly normal and decent, you wouldn't have to worry about things like that. But as things stand now, there are definitely people who get off on grabbing a 10 year old child's ass and on doing a lot worse to them.

Don't say it where I live lol, you will be called a racist, sadly. Because yeah, you don't need to be Einstein to notice that the big majority of crimes of any kind are done by arabs.

I care about their mental state as well, I just do not confuse facts vs fiction, and persona vs character. I just find weird arguing about the mental state of a porn actress on the basis of her performances. It is not that easy. Minako Komukai was known to be a very troubled person even while she was filming her first vanilla movies, and even well before joining AV. And I am pretty sure An Tsujimoto is mentally stable (whatever she liked starring in JAV or not), as well as AIKA (another actress known for her non-smiling character) or "extreme" Marie Konishi from VRTM-040.

The fact you consider fine a gangbang of your favorite actress with ugly men (several of them regulars in the ugly-men-themed movies) just because there isn't the toothless guy, this makes your previous points very flawed and evanescent. I really find hard to understand what the border line is supposed to be, as it is becoming thinner and surprisingly elastic post after post. Is then the studio? The toothless guy occationally works for S1 as well (eg with Aika Yumeno in SNIS-127, but she smiles in the cover, so she was probably fine with those ugly dudes). And I wonder if making a blowjob to him is really more "disgusting" than being manhandled, heavily kissed and licked in every part of their bodies by the ugly and fat "Frogman" Taku Yoshimura (someone who worked virtually with everyone, including Yua Mikami).

Reality is, some girls have enough self-confidence to shoot the most hardcore scenes without having their lives affected, while others should have never joined JAV in the first place, especially considering once you join JAV you'll soon fuck ugly and old guys, shoot molestation and r*** movies, making deepthoat, licking male assholes and so on. Porn-complainer Asuka Hoshino worked only for two big companies, and shot the vanillier possible vanilla movies, but she looked very unconfortable from her first to her last movie, and probably her first movie will always be her biggest trauma. It should be the agencies'duty to skip some profiles, as they have not the strength and the awareness to start a career in AV. But pretending someone's mental state depends on fucking an ugly guy is pure science fiction.

Indeed, a movie is a fiction. In porn, it's a bit different tho. They do use tricks like fake nakadashi and so on but deepthroat, and all the dogma stuff is real. In Pornocratie, they follow newcomers from eastern europe, living in a house managed by a fat woman. One shoot with Rocco, and she says after coming back to the house that she didn't expect the shooting to be this hardcore (she was hurt on her upper lips). All those girls look kinda lost (mentally) and are just in porn because it's easy money. They don't look healthy at all. There is a big difference between big names and the others. It's the same in JAV. Attractive girls get the best opportunities (an exclusive contract, big money, vanilla movies and can even choose their partners), the other don't have all that and take what's left.

Yes, to me, the studio plays a role in what is "fine" or not. (as I was writing, a short explanation came to my mind) As a viewer, I clearly see a difference between a movie where the girl is the star and a movie where the girl is just an object (it can almost be a vanilla vs hardcore situation).
Frogman is as disgusting as the other creepy dudes. I always skip his scenes. One point I forgot to mention is that, as you quoted Yua Mikami with Frogman, the majority of her movies isn't with creepy dudes and doing hardcore stuff. It's the same for Makoto, Minami and Rion. Uta Kohaku said she hated all the bukkake and stuff she did (but according to some guys, no, you can see she likes it on camera).

(I didn't want to hijack the thread lol) We will probably never agree on the different points, but that's not really important. We exchanged our opinion on a subject and that's what matters.

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Hmm Minako Komukai is a whole different story. I think she's messed up in the real world, but as far as I know her AV are pretty vanilla. The AV and sin industry in general of course attract some messed up people. And no one say AV is perfectly neutral, some girls become more messed up during AV career. But how much is AV industry to blame for the girls' issues? For Minako Komukai, all the news + gossips I read suggest the industry does the right things with her. 1. to keep a distance when she got in legal trouble, 2. to give her a chance when she get it back together. A fairly generous chance considering her real age, her career length and her weight.

I've seen some bondage covers, it might have give me a false idea of her movie.
I don't blame the AV industry, the girls decided by themself to step into it. For Minako, I saw that she was with Madonna studio. They do milf movies so yeah she got a chance to not get into more troubles. Still a waste omg, that transformation, it's sad.
 

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Idk about Aika. She reminds me of Nozomi Aoi that's on drug. I do believe girls that like ai uehara will fuck anyone crazily and act happily or volunteeraily be the acting as a vulnerable victim in gb while some av idols have baseline of not going too rough or only film with the same circle of safe guys. Japanese focus on very plot heavy throughout especially all the r***, which it's am act all the way, whic beg to question is it still acting now. sure there's script and cuts and the atmosphere/contract obligation might make a girl numb to it on set after a while. Who knows what the guys and girls are thinking especially ugly old men that cant do better are being paid to do beautiful young girls fresh out of hs without paying or dating themsleves. Who knows if the agents or any bigger event sponsors or management businessman partners secretly am hypocritically get a chance to test out some he girls while acting faithful and scandal less in public. In reality, who wants to see their daughters being toss around from guys of all size, age, race, along with sometimes weird ugly men house, elderly r***, midget, trans, and other niche series. It's shameful when they're all used up and need to come back to rely on their parents after they're kick out or retired after they're done with the fame. Some might end up escorting. There's tons of girls in and out, but not many are best seller that can live comfortably and branch out afte retirement. Anyway, av idol persona are always very stages to be happy and innocent throughout Asia as goddesses, but what goes on bts and in their private lives are a mystery. Like American and other western porn, av can go too far where push a girl to complain and retire, but most girls just take it and secretly ignore the pain even though there some small metoo movement going on.
 

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Japan, like any other country, as its problems. It's also something I don't understand, the "double standard" for family emphasize. Parents care about their kids being successful (like any parent in the world) but when they are facing a problem, the kid has to deal with it alone. I totally understand that for a victim of any age, being sexually harassed is a tough thing to confess. Making sure your kid know they can talk to you about anything, at any time, is extremely important. Personally, if that kind of situation when I became a dad, I would follow my little princess, wait couple of step behind and when the pedo tries to do it again, then ...

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Take him outside the train, take a pic of him, his ID and report him to the police. You can't beat the shit of him as you go in jail for that.

I agree that even if the country has a low rate crime and is far more secure than USA, France, UK and so on, there are still criminal. I read japanese news daily and murder/r*** cases are not rare. Sure, it's media, as soon as a story like this happen, they will report it. It gives you the feeling that every second, everywhere, a crime happens but the reality is different. After all, media are the same all around the world.



Don't say it where I live lol, you will be called a racist, sadly. Because yeah, you don't need to be Einstein to notice that the big majority of crimes of any kind are done by arabs.



Indeed, a movie is a fiction. In porn, it's a bit different tho. They do use tricks like fake nakadashi and so on but deepthroat, and all the dogma stuff is real. In Pornocratie, they follow newcomers from eastern europe, living in a house managed by a fat woman. One shoot with Rocco, and she says after coming back to the house that she didn't expect the shooting to be this hardcore (she was hurt on her upper lips). All those girls look kinda lost (mentally) and are just in porn because it's easy money. They don't look healthy at all. There is a big difference between big names and the others. It's the same in JAV. Attractive girls get the best opportunities (an exclusive contract, big money, vanilla movies and can even choose their partners), the other don't have all that and take what's left.

Yes, to me, the studio plays a role in what is "fine" or not. (as I was writing, a short explanation came to my mind) As a viewer, I clearly see a difference between a movie where the girl is the star and a movie where the girl is just an object (it can almost be a vanilla vs hardcore situation).
Frogman is as disgusting as the other creepy dudes. I always skip his scenes. One point I forgot to mention is that, as you quoted Yua Mikami with Frogman, the majority of her movies isn't with creepy dudes and doing hardcore stuff. It's the same for Makoto, Minami and Rion. Uta Kohaku said she hated all the bukkake and stuff she did (but according to some guys, no, you can see she likes it on camera).

(I didn't want to hijack the thread lol) We will probably never agree on the different points, but that's not really important. We exchanged our opinion on a subject and that's what matters.

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I've seen some bondage covers, it might have give me a false idea of her movie.
I don't blame the AV industry, the girls decided by themself to step into it. For Minako, I saw that she was with Madonna studio. They do milf movies so yeah she got a chance to not get into more troubles. Still a waste omg, that transformation, it's sad.
Porn in generally aren't that fun outside of the party and luxury after you're done with your fame. There are still a lot of prude that can never accept this even though they're fine with nude art or Hollywood style. There are tons of news article of exposing their past that cost them their jobs and families /friends, drug addictions, suicides, and on set competition/use power to r***. Tokyoreporter always post a few for japan side. it's bad for their spouse, kids, and parents with some dont see them as regular human after filming a few degrading dehumanized act. I remember a former pornstar was r*** outside of set as well in us like sakurai aya. Idk if the money helps, but some av idols film script r*** even worser, so idk what goes on in ther mind along with guys on set and bts. Idk if all the train r*** av encourage this molesting behavior in asia with some av actors that are real time Pedo convict at times. This is why only japan can make av in Asia, which is a Great monopoly for events with crazy old men and virgin youths fighting at even airport to gift and meet their av goddesses now that sales are down with piracy and new rule regulation scale back downsizing. It's all negative and there are good and bad av idols and you need the mindset to surrender your body fully like regular idols sure ding their mind and be the fake happy cute persona online and in public while you're in av like how minami kojima fake her optimistic about the av industry while doing prank and teasing guys.
 
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Japan, like any other country, as its problems. It's also something I don't understand, the "double standard" for family emphasize. Parents care about their kids being successful (like any parent in the world) but when they are facing a problem, the kid has to deal with it alone. I totally understand that for a victim of any age, being sexually harassed is a tough thing to confess. Making sure your kid know they can talk to you about anything, at any time, is extremely important. Personally, if that kind of situation when I became a dad, I would follow my little princess, wait couple of step behind and when the pedo tries to do it again, then ...

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Take him outside the train, take a pic of him, his ID and report him to the police. You can't beat the shit of him as you go in jail for that.

I agree that even if the country has a low rate crime and is far more secure than USA, France, UK and so on, there are still criminal. I read japanese news daily and murder/r*** cases are not rare. Sure, it's media, as soon as a story like this happen, they will report it. It gives you the feeling that every second, everywhere, a crime happens but the reality is different. After all, media are the same all around the world.



Don't say it where I live lol, you will be called a racist, sadly. Because yeah, you don't need to be Einstein to notice that the big majority of crimes of any kind are done by arabs.



Indeed, a movie is a fiction. In porn, it's a bit different tho. They do use tricks like fake nakadashi and so on but deepthroat, and all the dogma stuff is real. In Pornocratie, they follow newcomers from eastern europe, living in a house managed by a fat woman. One shoot with Rocco, and she says after coming back to the house that she didn't expect the shooting to be this hardcore (she was hurt on her upper lips). All those girls look kinda lost (mentally) and are just in porn because it's easy money. They don't look healthy at all. There is a big difference between big names and the others. It's the same in JAV. Attractive girls get the best opportunities (an exclusive contract, big money, vanilla movies and can even choose their partners), the other don't have all that and take what's left.

Yes, to me, the studio plays a role in what is "fine" or not. (as I was writing, a short explanation came to my mind) As a viewer, I clearly see a difference between a movie where the girl is the star and a movie where the girl is just an object (it can almost be a vanilla vs hardcore situation).
Frogman is as disgusting as the other creepy dudes. I always skip his scenes. One point I forgot to mention is that, as you quoted Yua Mikami with Frogman, the majority of her movies isn't with creepy dudes and doing hardcore stuff. It's the same for Makoto, Minami and Rion. Uta Kohaku said she hated all the bukkake and stuff she did (but according to some guys, no, you can see she likes it on camera).

(I didn't want to hijack the thread lol) We will probably never agree on the different points, but that's not really important. We exchanged our opinion on a subject and that's what matters.

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I've seen some bondage covers, it might have give me a false idea of her movie.
I don't blame the AV industry, the girls decided by themself to step into it. For Minako, I saw that she was with Madonna studio. They do milf movies so yeah she got a chance to not get into more troubles. Still a waste omg, that transformation, it's sad.
Dogfart, kink, fuck up facial, etc aren't for everyone and if an actor does something like that to a new girl in a vanilla scene then it's bad. It seems a lot of av idols are obsess with selling their stuffs like twitch girls and very obsess with their social since it's important to their porn persona where a lot of new lost and regain it. Lana Rhodes cried like someone from black mirror after losing it and kind of beg her fans to help out. She was the one that complain about the guy from casting couch Dan adam or Ed lying about the number of guys on set for a scene just like takiko to rie and tamieke goro case where the director wants some. In Japan, girls usually take it and won't complain even if you feed them some kind of shit or have to film a certain fellow, but it depends some can fake the old guy as bg actors and fake the black guys as well.
 
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I care about their mental state as well, I just do not confuse facts vs fiction, and persona vs character. I just find weird arguing about the mental state of a porn actress on the basis of her performances. It is not that easy. Minako Komukai was known to be a very troubled person even while she was filming her first vanilla movies, and even well before joining AV. And I am pretty sure An Tsujimoto is mentally stable (whatever she liked starring in JAV or not), as well as AIKA (another actress known for her non-smiling character) or "extreme" Marie Konishi from VRTM-040.

The fact you consider fine a gangbang of your favorite actress with ugly men (several of them regulars in the ugly-men-themed movies) just because there isn't the toothless guy, this makes your previous points very flawed and evanescent. I really find hard to understand what the border line is supposed to be, as it is becoming thinner and surprisingly elastic post after post. Is then the studio? The toothless guy occationally works for S1 as well (eg with Aika Yumeno in SNIS-127, but she smiles in the cover, so she was probably fine with those ugly dudes). And I wonder if making a blowjob to him is really more "disgusting" than being manhandled, heavily kissed and licked in every part of their bodies by the ugly and fat "Frogman" Taku Yoshimura (someone who worked virtually with everyone, including Yua Mikami).

Reality is, some girls have enough self-confidence to shoot the most hardcore scenes without having their lives affected, while others should have never joined JAV in the first place, especially considering once you join JAV you'll soon fuck ugly and old guys, shoot molestation and r*** movies, making deepthoat, licking male assholes and so on. Porn-complainer Asuka Hoshino worked only for two big companies, and shot the vanillier possible vanilla movies, but she looked very unconfortable from her first to her last movie, and probably her first movie will always be her biggest trauma. It should be the agencies'duty to skip some profiles, as they have not the strength and the awareness to start a career in AV. But pretending someone's mental state depends on fucking an ugly guy is pure science fiction.
You can't avoid the fates jabba the frog. He's in every major studio and label with new girls and veterans. Mikami is with an ugly bald old man this month. It's going the yui hatano and ai uehara route whir her popularity. She could stay vanilla like sora, asuka, mihiro, akiho, and shoko, but given the competition with failing honey popcorn and her fame tickling as her former ex idol persona won't last that much longer, she just go harder. It's the mentality of hey any ugly bald headed fat old prick can fuck a hot young girl in Japan while America only jocks can do it. It kind of have the reversing effect sometimes where the guys think they can do better with the Japan case especially when you know the sweet young innocent girls I HS where you have a crush on her, but now she's not hard to get instead she's doing any type of guys for work. It's a bit tearful and vomiting for family and friends. Idk his real the interviews are on camera and posted by dmm articles, but a lot aren't good girls. It's okay for real idols outside to secrtly, date drink and party while having a few different partners, bit surrending your mind and body to your agency can be a bit cruel even with all the money. If you don't have strong mindset or mentality to do porn the dont do it. A few done it as a stepping stone in America like streamer celestial vega and mia khalifa with all her scandals along with a few cam girls.pnipn of course, in porn you might meet a few competitive good friends that help support each other mentally while ignoring their family and Friends objection and hate like veronica Rodriguez's latin gang.
 

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The plot is important to me. If it's a teacher gang banged by her students, that's fine. I will still not watch it because I prefer 1 on 1 or harem. Among Koharu last movies, WANZ-754 or KAWD-912 are the type of movies I'm fine with (I didn't see them but judging by the trailers). But movies like KAWD-807, hell no. I don't want to see ugly fat dudes on screen. That kind of r*** or chikan movies, even if it's not "hardcore" (for JAV or porn in general), I stay far away. That might help weirdos that look like those dudes to jerk off, but I take care of myself in real life enough to not be that kind of losers. Harsh words, maybe, but hey, not every JAV "fan" has to be fond of seeing girls slapped and humiliated on camera to enjoy a movie. Because yeah, even if I don't know the actresses in person, I want them to be happy with their job and not ending mentally fucked up because they had to be slapped, deep throated by 15 dudes to earn money. To be honest, the girls who do that usually aren't beautiful so they are at the bottom of the JAV actresses list. It's not a theory, just browse the movies and you'll not see a girl like Yua Mikami or Rion being molested and slapped before being deep throated to the point of vomiting.

So, I get it, I'm not the typical JAV "fan", and I'm glad about it to be fair. And no, I'm not a feminist or anything like that, I just want people to be safe, no matter what kind of job they do.
It's kinda off topic (sorry about that), but it can be related to what I've just said. I've seen members from Akiba talking about hardcore JAV (with loli) saying "this is the best movie ever". Then, tons of conversations about some members going to sex services in Japan where you can masturbate behind a glass with a girl on the other side. [I then decided to leave the chat because I definitively around weirdos]. Some guys are so fucked up that one even said "Wow, the girl sent me a message and want to see me again", thinking the girl liked him (the establishment probably takes your phone number). Of course she wants ! If you come back, she will earn money. She doesn't care about you, you are just a customer (and she probably wants to get out of that job as quick as possible).

Finally, about the girls who do hardcore stuff, just by looking at them, you can see how fucked they are (or check their twitter accounts). If Koharu is suffering from depression without even completely crossed the red line (my red line), it's easy to understand that the situation is probably far worst for that category of actresses. A mentaly stable actress would not want to feature in movies where she's brutalized. That lead to the conclusion : the mental state of fans of that kind of stuff is ass fucked as the actresses'.

Long message, sorry about that. I took the opportunity of the concern about Koharu to talk about the industry and the dark side more globably.

Keep in mind that it's just my opinion as a JAV consumer. I didn't write it to start a conflit with anyone.

Kawd545 is one kohara av that might go a bit far and weird for kawd label and studio.I could rant on for days about the good and bad of av for me, casual and hardcore fans, and the guys and girls working in it onscreen and bts with different speculation and analysis, but at the end it's just to ease ourselves of the negativity nowadays. It's not the real truth. I'm sure some fans and haters will not care since av idols may not be a female object entirely to them, but they couldn't accept them in reality and private even if they cannot do better since they can't live with the shaming from family and friends about possibly marrying an use up av idols that wasted her looks and talent in av. There are cases like sakurai aida, who according to her opinion, her ex is a smooch and she rely on her oarents now and admit to be stupid when she was young and now try to be a good mother/role model in the pov of her 4 children, so she won't strip or go back to being a host like ainuehara or tia did or still doing in roppongi red dragon and rockza. Besides a lot pirate where av idols and pornstars despise even though it still help their popularity In some forms nowadays, so even if it's the truth, av idols don't want to hear the negative things and rather talk generic positive stuffs. We can't change anything or help them since we don't know them. At the end, we are kind of no different arguing morality in other fictional show forums outside of our reality. It's all beyond our reach other than being curious. This thread really blows up with playno1, tokyoreporter, and all the so called Olympic cleansing and metoo/brainwash/coercing news.
 
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10 year old girls are totally at risk of being sexually molested. I don't follow any news related to Japan (barring the ones mentioned on this site) but I do occasionally look up some news online and it seems like there's not a day that passes by that you hear about another case of arabs and/or blacks gang/raping women and girls, sometimes children that are 12 or around that age. Happens in many countries in Western Europe and Sweden nowadays. And arab grooming gangs have been a thing in the UK for decades now. So no, it's not hard to imagine that there are pedophiles in Japan too, maybe even more than one would think. And no, in a normal, decent society you wouldn't worry about young women, because if the society were truly normal and decent, you wouldn't have to worry about things like that. But as things stand now, there are definitely people who get off on grabbing a 10 year old child's ass and on doing a lot worse to them.



What you describe here holds truth, but I think that mostly depends on the viewer. But I can totally see where the two coincide, that is, causing the woman pain is what gives the man pleasure. There are guys who get off on humiliating and being rough with women in bed. I used to have a friend who showed me a clip of a woman getting literally face fucked, ejaculated on her face, and then the guy pushed her head into the toilet and flushed while holding it there. And he said that that was one of the best things that he'd ever seen and that every woman deserved that.

Also, whether porn helps live out one's fantasies so that he doesn't do that IRL (like r***) or just serves to perpetuate, normalise or even encourage him to seek it out IRL it depends on the person himself.
It's pretty bad in Japan with sexual harassment along with once the most well respected polite country after the war with massive economy is now declining with seeing population and salaryman stress and responsibility leading to overwork deaths and suicides, so av is a dark retreat for them along with clubs with no physical judging and double standards I suppose where girls just act nice in their persona for money like geisha/courtesan in the past.rjsc
Speaking of sexual harassment, shimiken's 2nd wife is a victim of the metoo movement where her boss molested her according to buzzfeed Japan. However, she's fine with marrying a guy that's job is respected by some fan viewing him as a god where he used that as an excuse to not visit his daughters outside of supporting them economically. Anyway, he's marrying a guy that also act as a creep in some av with others, so it's kind of hypocritically and hurting the cause especially with girls retiring and coming out with accusation of what the av industry have done to them. It doesn't help with her tweets calling out virgin hater or neet.
It's annoying that we know so much, which also hurt what we used to enjoy shamelessly with all those female objectification.
 
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Sorry about the postings, I just woke up and saw all the negative here and chip in my 2 cents while barely awake. Yeah, who are we to judge or sob and pity about when we don't know them and we stream and pirate sometimes, which is hated by av and porn in general. There are guys and girls that are genuinely happy and support the av industry while making good sex friends. There are shit one that's along and left out or get offended because they don't fit in while still valuing their body and despise lies and situation they're put in while believe they deserve more and better. Again it's hypocritically and shameful if agency exploit girls illegally or know they're dumb for money and fame and use the money to cheat and feed their family. Ironically, av actors and the higher up bts wouldn't want their family in the business either. It's only in Japan with a few korean and Chinese fake or posing as Japanese. I remember that okazaki interview a few months ago about her pov recalling her parents and bf reaction, which isn't shocking and I assume girls with good or trouble childhood experience would receive the same criticism in private.
 
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great posts silent thank you
Thanks, I just want to say I'm not drunk or High, but i was probably going everywhere with different contrasting sides after waking up. there's more, but i just simplify it. This gossip thread that exposes?, question truth and moral really can kill the non-casual and a bit obsess/hardcore jav fans. The more i know, the more negative, hypocritical, and cynical the world looks to me. It really burst the bubble, but i mean just the best seller goddesses, who would have think they would waste their talent doing av? wtf is wrong with them and how could they live like that is probably What people that knows them might ask. Recently, there's a big female blue collar and ol debate scandal in Japan. Sexism is nothing new even in Hollywood, but it's manipulative when people learn that they earn less than men, deprive of opportunities even as far back as in school, etc. female objectification, dehumanizing, degrading or not. It can be their choice either to become a wannabe idol, fame attention, money for school or family support. It doesn't concern us nor do we have the right to judge since they don't care about it. Anyone from guys to girls really just want us to be polite, thank them, and support their godly works legally while dont stalk them or offend them privately outside their av persona.

There are good and bad ways to see this even for them. Some girls are naturally party sluts like riley Reid and ai uehara that would suck and tease thousand of men while acting innocent. Some might grow to regret it after retirement and marriage with the past haunting them as well as feeling guilty hiding it hoping it'll never be expose.
some ugly old men or bossess like agent and directors might be r**ist on cam with all those dumb scripts and there might be some exploitation going on with teens that doesnt know what to do with their lives. however, they probably dont see themselves that bad even if theyre taking advantage of the girls to feed their own family and lust. they might be heroes especially some directors and actors get a lot of cult following for being celebrity look alike or those view them as god with their outrageous talent. i remember pink movies back then was bad, but now is av. also, we got streamers and vloggers for kids. good or bad. it makes a lot of us happy on the surface when we dont overthink and question too much like some old prude. It's envy if we call them out for being disgusting freaks that doesn't deserve sex with hot young teens. It's not like they committed any crimes and in bts some girls tease the guy dick and have extra foreplays with these ugly Pedo like old men who some are even married. Some might be good dads and grandfathers. It's double standard too since theyre ok with other people gf and daughters, but not theirs.
 

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Silent I think you have great insight into JAV and Japanese culture

briefly put I think porn highlights and brings out the worst part of male and female nature tbh

Male: r**ist, pedo, torture, control, impregnate and abuse fantasies played out for "real"

Female: vanity, attention, fame, celeb status, money, humiliation (cuck), break culture taboos (IR/public)

sex is power for both
It is heartless and people don't care. Just look at vloggers faking beef diss tracks and events for views online to promote their merch as well girls throwing in a few sexy photos then called out female objectification after trolls Harrass them. Logan paul from youtube posted a corpse from the suicide forest receive countless likes before a few a lister called him out then some people switched side and jump on the bandwagon to kill his career. however, negativity publicity is still good publicity for scumbags like him. Casual fans, white knight, social justice warrior, you name it will always find reasons to defend, accept, and protect their god/idols. Then there are politicians and real estate mongols getting off scott free from being racist, sexual predators, etc while some just all talk like James Gunn from Disney get fired for a few dirty tweets, which isn't okay as well and it's stupid for him to not use another persona while joking. Sure, they may have more dignity than pornstars and av idols, but they're also scumbag and pretentious hypocritical pricks as well manipulating their audience. I mean people love av even if the r*** goes all the way off script probably since idk if the actors mentality/mindset is during the shoot.

You can tell it's no longer acting anymore when you go all the way and really r*** some girl. It's different than when some a list actress show some nude and cried after being r*** while filming a certain movie. I mean if they're not working in av, would they be real r**ist. These r*** titles, which are plot heavy and different than some degrading western American bdsm shit, which some best pornstar like Asa Akira enjoy can really encourage more r***. Im not saying pornstars or av actors are bad criminal, but theyre different beyond the norm of casual gossip perverts. im sure some are good gf, mom, etc even if they enjoy these "shameful" activities. Also, some will argue it's wrong to say loli girls and midgets or ugly old men can't have sex with young girls and there's no right to criticize and deprive them of it since they finally get this opportunity. Besides, you're just jealous and gross out from what you might see online, but it's doesnt reflect them personally as a human in private. I agree with that, but it's not my thing. Av does have better acting than western porn because idols surrender their body and mind to portray a persona and learn to act as a vulnerable r*** victim. There's not one av idol that never been in any r*** title. I'm not saying people will r*** after watching av, but it's sickened and shameful to enjoy especially those working on set and those wrote/direct it for a living.

Not to mention loli Hentai, incest novels, and other merchandise like those crazy sex toy pillow that target lonely old awkward lonely guys. It's all weird even for non prude especially when you're not in it or have people that shares your views about it.

Also, I think Shimiken and another called ryo sawai once was caught or speculated to engage in sexual activity eight minor boys, so some could be former convicts though. I mean no good guys would really work in av on camera on bts with crazy ott scripts and props if they volunteerily chose to do it. Some excuses are I need to supprt my family, i want to change the world from being less of a prude, blah blah. i mean they Wouldnt want their daughters or wives doing Av porn. Although, some did have affairs and married them like tamike goro, which is common like America, but always end up in a bad divorce if there's no prenup. Fans might rejoice on their jobs since it's just a job that doesnt reflect them in private and other will envy and hate them for ruining their goddesses while they can only stream and jerk off. However, shimiken seen it all from eating literal shit, fucking fat gilfs, to real goddesses as well as fathering daughters before marrying his new wife @ha_chu, who ironically is a metoo work place victim. Anyway, veteran boys and girls lose themselves by acting nice and gentle before going full on r*** like fame fatass frog/jabba people like to refer him as. There's good and bad people and good and bad experience for everything. Even from the beginning of time, there are these dark things that just aren't well documented or too shameful to say while nowadays it's exposing everything on social.

Overall, r*** and exploitation scouting hits me hard when it's real. I'm sure there might be some fake one that tries to profit as well as those want to regain some dignity after regretting what they did when they're young.

General and lame cliche speaking, genuine support from friends and families are important especially for av idols working and retired. Some achieve Great fame and married nicely like sora aoi, Saori and okita while maintaining an acting/singing career. Even maria Ozawa struggled with gossip sleeping with phillipine royals, escorting in Japan after av, sex affairs with local celebrities get a hunk boyfriend and an decent gig as well as made up with her family like okazaki. Even if it's a non faithful and open relationship, you got to admit she have a strong mind able to live and work outside of av despite her past. The same with sora Aoi, akiho, yui hatano, ai uehara who are either known to fuck anyone of size, shape, age, race who Gain a massive following in china and Taiwan predominantly granting them invites to film stereotypes b movies, gaming events, and private company parties are raining in doughs. However, the fame and money can get tiring. They wouldn't film av if they achieve some fame before since a lot filmed gravure, commercials, can act and sing as well. Av is a stepping stone, so they're prepare to live with it. It give them the opportunity to act, sing, and perform in front of fans that genuinely like their talents or just there for their looks alone.
 
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There's no logic in what you write. You're fine with a teacher being r***ing by her students, but you're not into fat guys. That's just your own likings.

If Rion has less r*** movies under her belt it's just because she signed for S1. It doesn't mean she's more stable than other girls. The kind of movies they star in largely depends on the maker.

For example, these are some of the latest movies with Minami Aizawa:
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They're all about r*** or exploitation. Check her Twitter account (according to your theory) and tell me if she looks FOR SURE mentally unstable. She does not at all.

This movie with Makoto Toda is definitely more extreme than being banged by some ugly guys:
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Again, check her Twitter account and tell me what you think about it. Doesn't she look like a normal girl?

The truth is we don't know them. They may be unstable or not. They may be depressed and hide it. There are tons of girls who shoot porn with their bf and are fucked up as well. I really don't see the point in making strange theories. Just watch whatever you want.

Haven't posted a lot in while and I'm chipping in as I roll past the pages. I can say, It doesn't matter to us if we don't know them since they're not our gf or family member. All these events gossip, persona acting, goddess/celebrities obsession really irks av idols and pornstars in general. Just support their DVDs and events and stay out of their personal lives and give them some privacy is probably what they and their agency wants. I'm sure a lot of girls not doing av can be terrible fake human in public and slut as well. Like regular idols, surrender your social account, mind, and body to your agency and be obedient then you'll get more pay and offers. Av idols must really know how to act, sing, speak English or Chinese is a plus, + some side talent hobby like sport, art, magic since it's way too competitive with piracy and events. It's good it's only in Japan since they can monopolize the Asian market while Japan itself probably try to limit it's exposure or deliberately downside the industry.

Of course, acting, techniques, age, and looks comes in to play as well. Just lie. Av idols will not deliberately attack the industry unless theyre sour and depress after retirememt while not afraid of any shameful attack and retailiation. so far, no solid proof or exposing can kill the industry. Okita anri and minami kojima openly defend and support vocally in interviews and tweet while turn down coercing rumors. Rie takimoto and kouzai Saki are openly attacking the industry. Who to trust? There are those like mihiro and coco still Collab with av idols as well as sora, Yuma, Maria Ozawa using their av fame to pursue mainstream career. There are Saori that removes their av history by clearing their blogs and the distribution of their av titles for royalty reasons or hidden regrets. Saori obviously change her name to relaunch her career. There's also marica hase that always try to act like a teenager instead of a milf have no problems hanging out with av actors in public, which is a taboo since av idols relationship with bf, celebrities, are all keep tight secret. Even former av idol goddess like Aino and rio are playing low slowly fading away from social and sponsor events in favor of protecting their privacy. Those that are making money and surrounded by similar "friends" might not mind r***, affairs, until they're retired and go back to their old normal lives . Also, under contract and set atmosphere, they're not much they can do to refuse a shoot.
 

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I feel like the way Japanese AV actresses promote and talk about their job is increadibly different than the ones from the US. In both countries the actresses are encouraged to lie/smile through their teeth and sell a false image but it seems worse in Japan. I wonder if it's because of being socialized differently in Japan.

For example, women are objectified and sexualized just about anywhere but it shows in different ways all across the globe.
Everyone in Japan knows chikan is a big problem and i've heard different stories from different Japanese women regarding the issue. What stood out to me is that some had a "it's bound to happen" or "what can you do about about? *shrug* mentality. Then you even had a couple women who think having women's only carriages are a female privilege. A PRIVILEGE! Some dudes seem to think so as well. Interesting mindset to have.
Japanese women are also way more feminine than their western counter part and it's rare to see women walk out of the door with a full face of makeup and Nice clothes. Women who don't conform are often looked down upon. There are different standards at work here.

Then you have school uniforms being heavily sexualized in pop culture and av, junior idols (with adult fans), low age of consent, idols in general, seeing all kinds of magazines with underage girls on display in conbinis.. Just imagine what this kind of thing must do to a girl growing up in such a society. These kind of things will become normal and you start to internalize it.
Not to mention that Japan is on the 104th place in the gender equality rankings, which should tell you enough about the way Japanese perceives women and how the women might perceive themselves.

Could this be the reason; why Japanese av actresses are less likely to speak out while they are in or even just out of the industry?
- why Japanese women are a lot more compliant and ok with being lurred/scouted into the AV industry?
- Why even the cuter and popular actresses do some crazy hardcore stuff, something which you don't see as much of in the west?

There is a reason why we in the west crack jokes about Japanese porn and why Japanese women are so highly sexualized.

I am a porn watcher myself so saying all these things could probably come across as hypocritical and ridicilous but I have studied a social science (Yes you can laugh at me haha) and I do realize that the reason why women want to appear in porn and or ok with being degraded like that for money is something that is socialized into them. I wouldn't want my own daughter to be a porn star and that should say enough. I am sure most wouldn't be happy with that.

Probably straying a bit here though it does seem to fit into the conversation we're having.