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silent1one

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I feel like the way Japanese AV actresses promote and talk about their job is increadibly different than the ones from the US. In both countries the actresses are encouraged to lie/smile through their teeth and sell a false image but it seems worse in Japan. I wonder if it's because of being socialized differently in Japan.

For example, women are objectified and sexualized just about anywhere but it shows in different ways all across the globe.
Everyone in Japan knows chikan is a big problem and i've heard different stories from different Japanese women regarding the issue. What stood out to me is that some had a "it's bound to happen" or "what can you do about about? *shrug* mentality. Then you even had a couple women who think having women's only carriages are a female privilege. A PRIVILEGE! Some dudes seem to think so as well. Interesting mindset to have.
Japanese women are also way more feminine than their western counter part and it's rare to see women walk out of the door with a full face of makeup and Nice clothes. Women who don't conform are often looked down upon. There are different standards at work here.

Then you have school uniforms being heavily sexualized in pop culture and av, junior idols (with adult fans), low age of consent, idols in general, seeing all kinds of magazines with underage girls on display in conbinis.. Just imagine what this kind of thing must do to a girl growing up in such a society. These kind of things will become normal and you start to internalize it.
Not to mention that Japan is on the 104th place in the gender equality rankings, which should tell you enough about the way Japanese perceives women and how the women might perceive themselves.

Could this be the reason; why Japanese av actresses are less likely to speak out while they are in or even just out of the industry?
- why Japanese women are a lot more compliant and ok with being lurred/scouted into the AV industry?
- Why even the cuter and popular actresses do some crazy hardcore stuff, something which you don't see as much of in the west?

There is a reason why we in the west crack jokes about Japanese porn and why Japanese women are so highly sexualized.

I am a porn watcher myself so saying all these things could probably come across as hypocritical and ridicilous but I have studied a social science (Yes you can laugh at me haha) and I do realize that the reason why women want to appear in porn and or ok with being degraded like that for money is something that is socialized into them. I wouldn't want my own daughter to be a porn star and that should say enough. I am sure most wouldn't be happy with that.

Probably straying a bit here though it does seem to fit into the conversation we're having.
Fan events are a bit more awkward than America where in America the girls act more like themselves since porn doesn't require any indepth acting while av idols require to be in a singing idol group nowadays to be successful.
 

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For those who like to think Japan is full of sexual harassment and r*** think again
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/which-are-the-worlds-10-most-dangerous-countries-for-women
"UNITED STATES
The only Western nation in the top 10 and joint third with Syria for the risks women face in terms of sexual violence, including r***, sexual harassment, coercion into sex and a lack of access to justice in r*** cases."

Or you want to compare r*** cases between country??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
US = 27.3-32.3 woman r***ing /100,000 population
Japan = 1-2 woman r***ing /100,000 population

Hint: JAV = movie for fapping, not based on real event

And about coercion, for that the girls will have to prove threat or fear of her life or bodily hurt
Example: do people who go to work every days can say they being coerced against their will?? can that people say the company use their paycheck as a hostage and coerced them to go to work??

It's simple, some girls have regret and they will say anything to make them self look as a victim
 
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whitelily

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r*** and sexual harrasment statistics aren't accurate in some countries, Japan is a great example of that. There are several factors that cause this.

- Shame culture, victims aren't as likely to come forward. Victim blaming is also a big problem.
- patriarchal bureaucracy
- Western countries are more progressive with women's rights and have higher conviction rates, which makes women come forward more often. The mindset and education towards dealing with r*** is different too.
- r*** laws only changed several years ago and even then it's a bit outdated compared to some western countries.

Just Google around a bit and you'll realize that the statistics aren't everything. On some websites they claim that r*** in some war torn African countries is way less than in Sweden. That Wikepedia page even states: "Statistics on r*** and other sexual assaultsare commonly available in industrialized countries, and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of r***, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for r*** create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many r*** statistics are unreliable or misleading."
Most go still unreported.

Not saying that Japan is a country where this things happens more than elsewhere but to say that it happens way way less is a tad naive.

My previous post was my thoughts on the matter, just something that popped into my head and that I wanted to express. I am sure many people see it differently and that is ok
 
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silent1one

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For those who like to think Japan is full of sexual harassment and r*** think again
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/which-are-the-worlds-10-most-dangerous-countries-for-women
"UNITED STATES
The only Western nation in the top 10 and joint third with Syria for the risks women face in terms of sexual violence, including r***, sexual harassment, coercion into sex and a lack of access to justice in r*** cases."

Or you want to compare r*** cases between country??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
US = 27.3-32.3 woman r***ing /100,000 population
Japan = 1-2 woman r***ing /100,000 population

Hint: JAV = movie for fapping, not based on real event

And about coercion, for that the girls will have to prove threat or fear of her life or bodily hurt
Example: do people who go to work every days can say they being coerced against their will?? can that people say the company use their paycheck as a hostage and coerced them to go to work??

It's simple, some girls have regret and they will say anything to make them self look as a victim
Coercing or regret? Which to believe? There are good and bad experiences and cases for both. Av is not a normal job, so I wouldn't compare it to regular people jobs. I mean even if it's scripted with cuts and bts, but even not prude would question why would a beautiful girl with talent might waste herself in av by voluntarily playing a r*** victim that goes all the way. Idk how good of a human some of those creepy old r**ist are who always been typecast playing r**ist stereotypes. I mean they wouldn't want their family member in av and they make a living out of playing these roles. I don't know if they get hate or not, but some guys do get a lot of envy and respect for getting pay to fuck goddesses without dating. To me it's questionable and it bit going to far with all the r*** in av along with pairing creepy ugly and sometimes defective looking dudes in av. I'm not even talking about the midget, tran, or fat frog or fat black guy some people hate here. Yeah, they get a sweet gig and people envied them and feel bad for the girls.
 

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For those who like to think Japan is full of sexual harassment and r*** think again
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/which-are-the-worlds-10-most-dangerous-countries-for-women
"UNITED STATES
The only Western nation in the top 10 and joint third with Syria for the risks women face in terms of sexual violence, including r***, sexual harassment, coercion into sex and a lack of access to justice in r*** cases."

Anyone who seriously believes America is as dangerous for women as a warzone where there has been real evidence of mass r*** by soldiers probably shouldn't be trusted ever again with anything. I'm not American. That list is insane. Those 550 'experts' should never be contacted for their opinions ever again.
 
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jwlim80

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For what this is worth :-

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https://twitter.com/925tk925/status/1027313889535377408

"I had fun filming that....! Even if I had quitted, there are a lot people in the industry I want to give thanks to. I didn't quit because there are things I hate or dislike about the industry.
I heard that there are people going about how there are some titles are you would rather not watch ? I say, just go ahead and watch them already"

As of yesterday, the twitter account had been unlocked for the public. She seems to be in a good mood. Not sure if she had overcome her personal issues or it's an effect of taking her medication.
 

ekop

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Wait, what??? :qustion:
Ok throw away all of the statistic number, what are we have left to quantify the topic?? Gossip articles??
Even if there are only 10% of r*** cases reported in Japan, at 100% Japan won't beat US number

About the articles above that's actually make sense
I mean in 2010 the US already have high r*** cases but still don't make in top 10, 2018 US in 10th place so that's mean the number grow higher significantly

I really don't understand
Japan number must be too low but US number must be too high???
How did you know that??

For why a beautiful girl join AV world, the same question can apply to why there are lots of girls all over the world showing their naked body via SNS without even getting paid
For fame, like, follower etc which some of them will regret it later
 

silent1one

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For what this is worth :-

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https://twitter.com/925tk925/status/1027313889535377408

"I had fun filming that....! Even if I had quitted, there are a lot people in the industry I want to give thanks to. I didn't quit because there are things I hate or dislike about the industry.
I heard that there are people going about how there are some titles are you would rather not watch ? I say, just go ahead and watch them already"

As of yesterday, the twitter account had been unlocked for the public. She seems to be in a good mood. Not sure if she had overcome her personal issues or it's an effect of taking her medication.
There will be conspiracy theories where people come up with reasons like the av industry feel threaten, so they tell her to speak carefully. Idk, it also could be she might want to go back since av might be her only source of income if she wants to support herself comfortable and somewhat easier that way. There's no good in attacking the industry since she volunteer to sign the contract in the first place and it seems girls get more hate that way.besides,mood swing change one opinion, so it could be good for her to just accept and move on instead of regretting about it since she doesn't have kids or face any criminal charges.
 

paparoach408

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well this whole conversation has gotten very very dumb, and now ignoring statistics because they don't fit a narrative what? and now just crapping on girls for doing what they gotta do to make money, and rants about nonsense conspiracy theories to fit said narratives
 
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darksider59

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Guys... this is way OT now, let's take it to a new thread.
Sorry, it wasn't my intention. I just posted my thoughts here because Koharu's situation was a good example. Making a new thread just for that didn't worth it.
 

silent1one

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It has stemmed from JAV gossip and the potential suicide from an AV actress (or serious concerns for her )

what narrative and what conspiracy theories?

No one is crapping on "our girls" talking broadly about the JAV scene
It's the Internet. At least it's not endless trolling and pure hate like an ex member once did earlier this year. This isn't the first time minor gossip lead to some serious questioning about ethics and morals. It's hypocritical because gossip always involve speculations even if it's negative. it's not like anyone is attacking anyone online.

Either if you want to conspire a theory from a few negative tweets and news articles, so that you can feel sorry and pity them because they're experience depression/"suicide" tendencies because of unsupportive family/friends or just outright accept them as entertaining sluts that are happy and proud of what they're doing in the time being. There's nothing wrong with it since we dont know them and the tweets are just her current state of mind/pov. You can even argue they're av idols that only get respect from their goddess worshipping fans and ok sleeping around with agent, directors, and clients from what you see the girls can do. Everyone have their own way of respecting and accepting their av idols along with their own way of seeing them. Statistics is important with businesses, but it isn't everything such as crime activities. There are definitely a lot of other crime activities with missing people, war victims, etc that are undocumented or reported less than it should be especially when politicians want to appeal to the public that he did a good job this term. Also, r***- Besides fear of retaliation from powerful people that can do whatever they want And the further shame of being expose as an av idol that film r*** for a living. It's hard to believe they're coerced or really r*** like sakura aya and the metoo girls. some girls rather stay shit for decades especially when they're not sora Aoi, Maria Ozawa, yui hatano that can continuously find work. There are countless of cases of girls imprison in basement by their incest/pedo relative and a lot are too afraid to escape, murder the convict, or commit suicide until the breaking point is reach. Any speculation can be possible, but for koharu's case she's on/off in her mood. she could be happy with the atmosphere in av while regret it now after realizing or figure something out that change her mindset and mentality completely either from a shoot or someone that's close to her.
Yeah, speculations and proofs. at the end of the day we cant do anything for her since she we dont know her. some can leave her some supportive comments or legally support her dvds. that's it. we will forget this until she update again or another good or bad gossip surface either from some av idol social accounts or playno1 speculations. Soon everyone can become numb again and some just ignore/forget these and want to fap to their av persona along with their ott and overboard r*** acting. Nothing extremely serious happen and there's no proof of anything illegal activities happening yet. It's just we went to serious in to it and overthink it. I mean I don't think is that bad since av idols give us happiness and it's hard to avoid it when we learn something "bad" did happen. We're worried and we lost our mood. It's still far away from being an obsessive stalker and overprotective fan.
 

silent1one

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Sorry, it wasn't my intention. I just posted my thoughts here because Koharu's situation was a good example. Making a new thread just for that didn't worth it.

Just to clarify to the same few faces that continuously post in this thread rather than ignore these news and be a casual fapper. We are not personally attacking idols or other members, so that's a positive point I'm sure we can point finger at each other about who is being dumb, hypocritical, and egoistic self righteous dude, but just don't . the whole thread is about gossip and it always get pretty negative and serious. Soon we will move on when there's no update from the current hot gossip
 

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Wait, what??? :qustion:
About the articles above that's actually make sense
I mean in 2010 the US already have high r*** cases but still don't make in top 10, 2018 US in 10th place so that's mean the number grow higher significantly

More victims reporting, broadening the meaning of "r***"
That doesn't necessarily mean there are more cases, just that they are nowadays more visible.
 

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It's not like all of us can read Japanese.

They're recruiting male actors who can speak chinese. It's not necessary to be Japanese.

Of course you have to be a permanent resident if you are born outside of Japan.

And curious how they blend the Japanese flag with China's in the background when their main Mandarin speaking market is in Taiwan. Perhaps I'm reading too deep into this.
 

silent1one

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wow never thought I`s see the day...maybe a way of bringing chinese girls in as well



http://www.tokyokinky.com/chinese-student-adult-video-debut-japan/

Tokyokinky wrote a blog post article about a Chinese girl that look like she come from the rurals, but it could be fake. Just like the cosplay girl, it's not my type.Idk my OCD tells me so many sides. I felt like there might be some amateur chinese posing as japanese already working in av for a while. the chinese girl seem like a gimmick, but it could be real. it might stir a headline since jav pretty much monopolize the game in Asia and it's an easy low blow bullying jab to offend the polite nation since the olympic is coming up. av is probably targeted to stay low after all the regretful metoo girls and drug/prostitute arrests stirring some headlines. For guys, it's always the same middle age guys because It's safer since they know how to be gentle in debut titles and rough for veterans. Also, not all want to be in amateur blowbang or f some midget, tran, black, elderly except sometimes you get ai, hibiki, yui willing to do it despite their fame. Yua mikami did one of those bald guy recently after pair up with the fat frog a few times. New guys without some niche or background have little chance of rising to Shimiken or tony who are pretty fame and Wellknown married dude still working after 2 decades. It doesn't have to be a deform defect niche since there the handsome young guy who are not shota loli that doesn't f ugly milfs. The pay is low and embarrassing audition av posing as a fan trying to see how good his moves or can he even keep up or unleash a decent load on set. I don't think some guys can handle the atmosphere on set with all the talk since there was some youtuber prankster was paid to be a pedestrian for bang bus fan video that can't even get his dick up and it happens quite a lot too. Not everyone can go creepy without caring about hygiene and sloppy second like those thanksgiving series.btw I remember seeing some av where idols speak in a Chinese accent with seemingly fake Chinese or Taiwanese fans somewhere before.
I'm more for more white or Latinas like a decade ago since it's more predominantly amwf in jp or la. Some of them get uncut uncensored version as well showing off some fake creampie. Unlike American jocks, there's actually more foreplay and toys, but not a lot of girls are in to it like now escort doesnt like kissing and looking in to the guys' eyes from time to time. That's why there a lot of those jocks abruptly end early trying to unload for like half an hour bts before he accidentally cum without condom on, which does happen in av and western porn. It's questionable and debate table as well.
 
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jwlim80

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You guys ever consider the fact that there are Japanese of Korean and Chinese ancestry ?

The Japanese even has a phrase for ethical Korean Japanese in "Zainichi". Look it up.

There are probably even more ethical Korean and Chinese than you think here. They are of Japanese nationality but racially Chinese and Korean.
 

silent1one

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yeah there have been chinese girls in JAV and done pretty well, emiri was the main one and even had minor parts in TV in japan before her debut - they don't conceal their identity
but its the korean girls working in JAV that do...porn is illegal in Korea so they could be charged and they would be shamed in Korea

Which Ameri or emiri?
Taiwan love to compare the guys and girls to look alike celebrities. Hk is renown to gossip them in a bad way and sort of making the fans look like desperate old virgin nerds in movie stereotypes and news. One girl even clickbait herself saying shell go to Japan and do av, but she didnt. I guess she doesn't have the nerve to ruin her "dignity" at least some of the cam girls and somewhat clickbait youtuber celestial vega follow her words and actually did porn. Generally, Korea and Chinese are very less let's say huggable people that doesn't talk sex that often unless its about some skank in their neighborhood or another family member. It's always word that brings them down instead of support, not necessarily proud, but generally they're close mind prude that can be hypocritical since brothels are quite big. The one child policy in china and male preference made a huge gap in the gender ratio. It's not as bad as Japan aging population. Av porn will never happen outside of Japan In Asia, which is good for investors since they're monopolizing the market with so many events and film offers to use idols in sleazy ads and cosplay game conventions to draw crowds. It's kind of reverse mentality when ancient Chinese fashion in the Tang Dynasty focus on showing cleavage like the Europeans. Meanwhile Japan have a whole fetisval about penis that doubles as antistd movement of some sort.