JAV Really Underage? Appearing So…

[darksider59]

Well, I like loli (my avatar kinda speaks for me lol) so I will speak about loli first. I guess the fact that I'm young is one of the reason (23 y/o). The girls looks even more younger than japanese girls in their 20s but as long as they are over 18, I don't see any problem. For example, I recently watched EKV-416 with Aisu Kokoa and it's exactly the kind of videos I like with Loli : a smiling girl who acts cute as hell (like a maid in this movie).



I guess liking AKB family helped me to like that genre. In JAV movies, they are over 18 so it's totally fine to masturbate while watching it. BUT when girls are under 18, it's NOT (for me at least). For example, in AKB (and sister groups), I like many members who are under 18 (some are over 20 like my oshis though ^^). I use their photos for my PC wallpaper (sometimes it's a bikini photoshot), stuff like that, and I find them really cute but that's all. I'm not sexually attracted by them because I know they are young (I would still like to hug them for sure, they're so kawaii).

On the opposite side, I also like mature women but not the out of shape ones lol. Mature women like Satsuki Kirioka (quoted in the Jugulear post) are the ones who turn me on. I keep one name in my mind, Kana Aizawa. I stumbled upon an uncensored movie of her and I thought "what a sexy mature woman ! tiny body, well shaped".



She's 46 now. I wouldn't have any problem dating a woman like that

 

[needs more loli]

Well, I like loli (my avatar kinda speaks for me lol) so I will speak about loli first. I guess the fact that I'm young is one of the reason (23 y/o). The girls looks even more younger than japanese girls in their 20s but as long as they are over 18, I don't see any problem. For example, I recently watched EKV-416 with Aisu Kokoa and it's exactly the kind of videos I like with Loli : a smiling girl who acts cute as hell (like a maid in this movie).

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I guess liking AKB family helped me to like that genre. In JAV movies, they are over 18 so it's totally fine to masturbate while watching it. BUT when girls are under 18, it's NOT (for me at least). For example, in AKB (and sister groups), I like many members who are under 18 (some are over 20 like my oshis though ^^). I use their photos for my PC wallpaper (sometimes it's a bikini photoshot), stuff like that, and I find them really cute but that's all. I'm not sexually attracted by them because I know they are young (I would still like to hug them for sure, they're so kawaii).

On the opposite side, I also like mature women but not the out of shape ones lol. Mature women like Satsuki Kirioka (quoted in the Jugulear post) are the ones who turn me on. I keep one name in my mind, Kana Aizawa. I stumbled upon an uncensored movie of her and I thought "what a sexy mature woman ! tiny body, well shaped".

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She's 46 now. I wouldn't have any problem dating a woman like that

You and I are on the same page
I like Nogizaka46 more than AKB but I actually like K-Pop more. Either way I think you're right. J-Pop and K-Pop place big emphasis on cuteness and is a huge influence on my tastes. The main reason I like loli is because they are so kawaii. I don't really care much for sexy. Cute > sexy in my book.

Also agree with you about the under 18 stuff. I'm don't care for them sexually but sometimes they are so cute I just want to squeeze them like they're a puppy.

Its rare that I like mature women, mainly because by that age they have lost their kawaii-ness. But I do like Ayumi Shinoda, something about her face is really sexy.

 

[darksider59]

I watched some N46 MVs last year but I prefer AKB (not all songs, but some songs are catchy and I like a lot of girls in the group). Kpop, I used to watch a lot of SNSD MVs and I saw other bands too. I agree that the cuteness is more important and that's what I like (even if for western music, I'm a metalhead, I sometimes see Rihanna and other kind of "artists" on TV and their videos are sluty in my opinion).

About Loli and the fact that it can turn people into pedo, I don't agree at all. I forgot to add something in my previous post, so I will add it here :
Since I saw Ladybaby's MV, I read that one of the girl, Rei, (黒宮れい) was a gravure idol. I was curious so checked one of her most recent work, and I really felt uncomfortable watching a 15 years old girl in panties/swimsuit (I didn't watch the full movie, just some parts). I personally don't watch gravure movies for masturbating purpose, I just like to watch beautiful girls smiling, running, playing, ... Even for that, I naturally came to the point that she was too young for me to feel comfortable and enjoy watching her playing around.



She's kawaii (even if Rie is my fav, on the right). I don't have any problem nor feel guilty looking at them (in the mv) and thinking "super cute japanese teen girls" but that's it. To be honest, sexual thoughts never crossed my mind since I watch japanese idols videos where girls are under 18. And even for girls who are older in AKB or in my fav jrock bands. For example, in AKB family, Miyuki Watanabe, Sayaka Yamamoto and Haruka Kodama are one of my favourites, they're super cute and if I could, I would date (and even marry !) them without a doubt. But I don't have sexual thoughts like "I would like to f*ck her", because they're not JAV actresses (it's a bit hard to explain, I wanted to say I "respect them too much to have that kind of feelings" but it could be misunderstood as I don't respect JAV actresses, which is not true).

 

[needs more loli]

Actually I like them because they are more interesting on variety shows. I just find myself laughing so hard when watching Nogibingo. Also Shiraishi Mai... wow so perfect.

I totally agree with everything you said. I don't watch gravure masturbating purposes either, my hands are nowhere near my pants. I just like to see cute things lol. I think of it more like watching videos of kittens or puppies. Little kids in swimsuits is too disturbing for me which is why I cant get down to U-15 stuff. But if they are dressed in normal clothes and are just being cute then its all good.
And same, I don't have thoughts like "I want to bang her" when watching either J-Pop, K-Pop, gravure, etc. The feeling is more like "I would like to date her" or "she is sooo cute I want to squeeze her". But JAV on the otherhand... well like you said, it's hard to explain.

 

[Fisheraaa]

I'm also a fan of lolis, but not so child looking lolis as the ones posted here. I like lolis who you can easily tell they are over 18 if you are a jav follower, but still looking a lot younger compared to most girls of same age group.

Examples:


Edit: Those are Nana Fujii and Eri Hosaka if any1 cares.

 

[Supmop]

never knew Eri Hosaka is loli

now I'm a bit confused, how you guys categorize female performers to be loli ? height ? weight ? breast size ? face ?

 

[Fisheraaa]

never knew Eri Hosaka is loli

now I'm a bit confused, how you guys categorize female performers to be loli ? height ? weight ? breast size ? face ?

It's not any single element, it's the overall look. And yea Eri Hosaka sure is a loli by my standarts ... hell, in 10th grade i've had girls in my class that looked older than her lol.
It's mostly the cuteness that matters to be honest. I've met a woman at 43 that was small, cute and charming , and sure was a loli too, even at that age.

 

[needs more loli]

never knew Eri Hosaka is loli

now I'm a bit confused, how you guys categorize female performers to be loli ? height ? weight ? breast size ? face ?

The main factor I like to use is height because: 1) everything else physique-wise seems to follow that (tiny frame, small boobs, skinny slender arms and legs, young innocent face). 99% of the time if a girl is shorter than 149cm she will have those physical traits.
2) its readily advertised and quickly identifiable on the movie covers for easy spotting.
Example (notice the "148cm" in huge letters):


Unfortunately its a bit more complicated than just height. Take a look a the list in the loli thread, that might give you a better idea. Which reminds me I need to update that...

 

[Supmop]

It's not any single element, it's the overall look. And yea Eri Hosaka sure is a loli by my standarts ... hell, in 10th grade i've had girls in my class that looked older than her lol.
It's mostly the cuteness that matters to be honest. I've met a woman at 43 that was small, cute and charming , and sure was a loli too, even at that age.

ok, so your loli standart : small & cute ?

everyone has their own standart I understand that, but I for me Eri Hosaka is not small, thats why I'm surprised when you mentioned she is a loli

 

[Supmop]

The main factor I like to use is height because: 1) everything else physique-wise seems to follow that (tiny frame, small boobs, skinny slender arms and legs, young innocent face). 99% of the time if a girl is shorter than 149cm she will have those physical traits.
2) its readily advertised and quickly identifiable on the movie covers for easy spotting.
Example (notice the "148cm" in huge letters):
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Unfortunately its a bit more complicated than just height. Take a look a the list in the loli thread, that might give you a better idea. Which reminds me I need to update that...

yes I understand the main factor for loli that I know is small boobs, young and innocent face, skinny slender and height are 155 or shorter, thank you for your respon, I'll try to understand more about loli specification

and I've a bit out of topic question, but I'm curious about it, how far the legal junior idols videos goes ? recently I seen video that not include real penetration, but had dry humping and dildo sucking action

 

[Fisheraaa]

ok, so your loli standart : small & cute ?

everyone has their own standart I understand that, but I for me Eri Hosaka is not small, thats why I'm surprised when you mentioned she is a loli

Yea it's mostly small and cute. And as for Eri Hosaka, she is indeed kinda small. I'm 183 and she is 165, so yea ... If you are a shorter guy she may seem larger.

 

[Supmop]

Yea it's mostly small and cute. And as for Eri Hosaka, she is indeed kinda small. I'm 183 and she is 165, so yea ... If you are a shorter guy she may seem larger.

I'm 182 so our height is very close

I'm consider girls around 155-170 medium, not small, but once again its preference

 

[needs more loli]

yes I understand the main factor for loli that I know is small boobs, young and innocent face, skinny slender and height are 155 or shorter, thank you for your respon, I'll try to understand more about loli specification

and I've a bit out of topic question, but I'm curious about it, how far the legal junior idols videos goes ? recently I seen video that not include real penetration, but had dry humping and dildo sucking action

Twintails and paipan are good indicators for loli.
Another reason for using height is that it is non-subjective. So that you don't run into the case where someone who is really really tall will think that a every girl is loli, that would be ridiculous. And I say 149cm because that seems to be the industry standard, I've never seen 150cm or higher on a cover.

Also keep in mind that the "specification" as you put it, is ever changing. About a decade ago Tsubomi and other actresses her size used to be considered loli, but they are giants in comparison to lolis of today (Shuna Kagami, Yui Saotome, Karen Haruki).

I don't know much about junior idols, I mostly stay in the realm of JAV. But as far as I know dry humping and dildo sucking is legal, how that sits with you is a different story. I personally don't like it. When it comes to junior idols I just want them to look cute, I hate when they try to sexualize them.

 

[Supmop]

Twintails and paipan are good indicators for loli.
Another reason for using height is that it is non-subjective. So that you don't run into the case where someone who is really really tall will think that a every girl is loli, that would be ridiculous. And I say 149cm because that seems to be the industry standard, I've never seen 150cm or higher on a cover.

Also keep in mind that the "specification" as you put it, is ever changing. About a decade ago Tsubomi and other actresses her size used to be considered loli, but they are giants in comparison to lolis of today (Shuna Kagami, Yui Saotome, Karen Haruki).

I don't know much about junior idols, I mostly stay in the realm of JAV. But as far as I know dry humping and dildo sucking is legal, how that sits with you is a different story. I personally don't like it. When it comes to junior idols I just want them to look cute, I hate when they try to sexualize them.

yes I agree, lets use industry standard, I think its more fair than personal standart yup I noticed loli these day are more smaller, in Tsubomi era seems loli definition are for girl with baby face, but now they need to be short too

don't get me wrong, for this question I don't mean for my or yours personal opinion, I know nothing about junior idol, so I ask, its just a question, it is common in junior idols video to include dry humping, ecc that close to real sex ?

 

[needs more loli]

I cant really say, I don't have many Junior Idol videos, and the ones I do have are not sexual at all

 

[lordsuperjesus]

hmm.. this is an interesting topic. i think there is two ways to take this topic that come to my mind. one is are some of the girl's that do jav underage and two, even if they are not underage is it o.k to enjoy looking at a girl that your brain thinks is underage in a sexual way? i think that most girls that do jav are 18+, the asians are a smaller more childlike people to the western eye. if you take the avg 5 foot 2 Japanese 18 year old woman and compare her to the avg 5 foot 5 18 year old Briton woman or the avg 5 foot 7 18 year old Kenyan woman. it's a huge gap. now you take the already childlike japanese woman and she is 4 foot 9 or in some of the loli jav out there as small as 4 foot 5. next to a man like me that's 6 foot 3, that 18 or 19 year old girl looks like a 6 year old.

now to the most interesting bit of this, if it's o.k to think about those super small, childlike women in a sexual way? does that make those that enjoy and fantasize about these woman pedo's? is it getting to close to the flames? those are thing's i have thought about for some time, being a man that enjoys women that are small and dating some women that were 4 foot 10 or 4 foot 9. i don't like taller women and don't want to date or fuck them. does that mean i have some deep hidden lust for children? no, i don't think so, and i'm not really a big fan of loli jav. i like gokkun above all. but i can't say that when the two overlap i don't find it all the more sexy. some of the best gokkun vids i have ever seen have been loli gokkun. is that because i like gokkun and i like small women? i think so. seeing as i don't go looking for loli jav in it's own all that much. but i'm sure that some of you will see it differently.

so that's how i feel, now to the larger question. i think that loli jav is in a queer (and by that i don't mean gay) gray area where both the pro and anti sides make good sense. i don't think there is any clear way to think about it and it all comes down to this, do you think people should be able to fantasize about something even if that thing is horrid? should they be able to make and consume things that get as close as they can within the law to what they want? can just consuming loli things make you a pedo? and the biggest question of all, is being a real i want to fuck kids pedo really as bad as non-pedo's think it is?

what to you guys think?

 

[needs more loli]

hmm.. this is an interesting topic. i think there is two ways to take thDo is topic that come to my mind. one is are some of the girl's that do jav underage and two, even if they are not underage is it o.k to enjoy looking at a girl that your brain thinks is underage in a sexual way? i think that most girls that do jav are 18+, the asians are a smaller more childlike people to the western eye. if you take the avg 5 foot 2 Japanese 18 year old woman and compare her to the avg 5 foot 5 18 year old Briton woman or the avg 5 foot 7 18 year old Kenyan woman. it's a huge gap. now you take the already childlike japanese woman and she is 4 foot 9 or in some of the loli jav out there as small as 4 foot 5. next to a man like me that's 6 foot 3, that 18 or 19 year old girl looks like a 6 year old.

I agree, I'm pretty sure most AV actresses are over 18. If you watch JAV on streaming sites you will often see in the comments about how the actress looks underage, the funny thing is that are talking about normal actresses that I wouldn't even consider loli. Asian people just look younger in general, and so when you compare them to White actresses then yes, I guess they do look underage. I'm Asian and get comments all the time about how I look 5 years younger.

now to the most interesting bit of this, if it's o.k to think about those super small, childlike women in a sexual way? does that make those that enjoy and fantasize about these woman pedo's? is it getting to close to the flames? those are thing's i have thought about for some time, being a man that enjoys women that are small and dating some women that were 4 foot 10 or 4 foot 9. i don't like taller women and don't want to date or fuck them. does that mean i have some deep hidden lust for children? no, i don't think so, and i'm not really a big fan of loli jav. i like gokkun above all. but i can't say that when the two overlap i don't find it all the more sexy. some of the best gokkun vids i have ever seen have been loli gokkun. is that because i like gokkun and i like small women? i think so. seeing as i don't go looking for loli jav in it's own all that much. but i'm sure that some of you will see it differently.

so that's how i feel, now to the larger question. i think that loli jav is in a queer (and by that i don't mean gay) gray area where both the pro and anti sides make good sense. i don't think there is any clear way to think about it and it all comes down to this, do you think people should be able to fantasize about something even if that thing is horrid? should they be able to make and consume things that get as close as they can within the law to what they want? can just consuming loli things make you a pedo? and the biggest question of all, is being a real i want to fuck kids pedo really as bad as non-pedo's think it is?

what to you guys think?

I'm not going to lie, part of the excitement I get from loli JAV is that they do look underage. But there is a difference between looking underage and actually being underage. There is also a difference between JAV and real life. As long as the person understands that difference I don't think they are a pedophile. For example, if you like to shoot random pedestrians in Grand Theft Auto does that make you a killer? Of course not. Do you like the Fast and Furious movies? As much as you like watching fast cars racing around town, crashing and blowing up you never and do the same in real life. If you think about it most of the stuff you see in JAV is probably illegal in real life. Basically, "don't mix 2D with the 3D world". (Oreimo reference ).

 

[darksider59]

I cant really say, I don't have many Junior Idol videos, and the ones I do have are not sexual at all

I know that the chief producer of a video compagny and three associates were arrested over the production of an "obscene" DVD shot in 2007 in Bali (prolonged filming of the girl's genitalia), starring Yuki Yamagata, who was seventeen at the time.
So I really doubt there are junior idol videos with sexuality involded. Nude gravure videos do exist, but the models are over 18.

 

[Supmop]

I'm not going to lie, part of the excitement I get from loli JAV is that they do look underage. But there is a difference between looking underage and actually being underage. There is also a difference between JAV and real life. As long as the person understands that difference I don't think they are a pedophile. For example, if you like to shoot random pedestrians in Grand Theft Auto does that make you a killer? Of course not. Do you like the Fast and Furious movies? As much as you like watching fast cars racing around town, crashing and blowing up you never and do the same in real life. If you think about it most of the stuff you see in JAV is probably illegal in real life. Basically, "don't mix 2D with the 3D world". (Oreimo reference ).

for this I'm totally agree with you, but I also understand people who are concern about real pedo that get motivation from watching loli porn or some people who already pedo

I know that the chief producer of a video compagny and three associates were arrested over the production of an "obscene" DVD shot in 2007 in Bali (prolonged filming of the girl's genitalia), starring Yuki Yamagata, who was seventeen at the time.
So I really doubt there are junior idol videos with sexuality involded. Nude gravure videos do exist, but the models are over 18.

thank you very much for your answer

and talking about Bali, Indonesian's law prohibited any kind of porn, including nude and porn shooting & production, but many domestic and foreign companies and amateurs do that secretly and got away

 

[loleechero]

Indonesian's law prohibited any kind of porn, including nude and porn shooting & production, but many domestic and foreign companies and amateurs do that secretly and got away

Even Indonesian do it and got away. Even those several 'semi pro' underage. It very loose and money-based law there.