Ouch!ah i worded that all wrong, so Marica Hase went over in what 2012? she was already a performer who did everything, but she had to do all that to a higher degree just to get recognized and even with all that she's a lower tier person. Hitomi who is promoting the crap out herself but does none of the (anal, dp stuff) she's going to get 5 minutes of fame then pretty much disappear over there.