JULIA: fans or foes

[MelonBuns]

Most people would disagree with you if you imply that US standard is generally more vanilla than JAV.

Hmm I can see where you are coming from. I guess what I mean when I say western porn is "too vanilla" I mean the premise of the scenes more so than the actual sex acts themselves. Western porn usually has no plot whatsoever, and even when there is its the usual tropes. JAV has tropes as well but it is much more varied in my experience. The emphasis on acting also plays a part for me. Western, or rather US porn, the girls seem to act the same way no matter the premise of the scene, leading them to look and feel the same.

Also I'm not sure I agree that US porn is generally less vanilla even straightly speaking about the sex acts involved. I mean, in JAV mass gokkun and bukkake is pretty common. Cum on food is a thing. Massage salon voyeurism. Drug induced trance sex. The amount of non-conventional porn in JAV is huge. While in my experience Western porn is much less varied. I could be wrong, maybe they can be found in the indie porn scene but that's a whole other discussion.

As for how is this related to Julia. I guess her repertoire is just too limited for me.

 

[silent1one]

Hmm I can see where you are coming from. I guess what I mean when I say western porn is "too vanilla" I mean the premise of the scenes more so than the actual sex acts themselves. Western porn usually has no plot whatsoever, and even when there is its the usual tropes. JAV has tropes as well but it is much more varied in my experience. The emphasis on acting also plays a part for me. Western, or rather US porn, the girls seem to act the same way no matter the premise of the scene, leading them to look and feel the same.

Also I'm not sure I agree that US porn is generally less vanilla even straightly speaking about the sex acts involved. I mean, in JAV mass gokkun and bukkake is pretty common. Cum on food is a thing. Massage salon voyeurism. Drug induced trance sex. The amount of non-conventional porn in JAV is huge. While in my experience Western porn is much less varied. I could be wrong, maybe they can be found in the indie porn scene but that's a whole other discussion.

As for how is this related to Julia. I guess her repertoire is just too limited for me.

There are those genres in American porn, but usually not under the major studios and doesn't feature a lot of mainstream pornstars. There are some that don't amwf in Japan or in L.A with Japanese guys, but there are a lot that doesn't know because they hide it from their American fans. There are certain a lot of niches hidden featuring odd actors of different sizes, "plot", etc.

 

[paparoach408]

Oh absolutely. She and most JAV idols won't survive in the US industry. Also I won't debate you she's top 5 hottie in JAV. I do love her, but her face is definitely not in top-5 or top-10.

I AM saying she's pretty competitive if you ignore the "performance" factor. She has big tits, and generally excellent figures (waist, hip, butt, legs, even her neck, shoulders and arms and hands are pleasing to the eyes). Her skin condition is pretty good for her age, and compared against typical US porn stars, her skin condition are off the charts. Her face is so-so compared to the S-class idols in JAV, but in US she ought to be quite competitive. Her big wavy hair also is more exciting (for global audience) than average Asian.

The most recent US porn star that gave me a deep impression was Sasha Grey, that's how long ago... And yes she's a great performer and has a distinct personality/persona but purely as a hottie she's only good, not great.

So if you could recommend a real hottie, great looker, any race, from the US/EU scene, I would love to check them out.

I really don't think she would be competitive in the US, her tits aren't really that big compared to US markeet she's just average size, and her face would probably turn most people off, like you can have a face like hers in the US industry but you gotta back it up in the bedroom, and she can't.

You see it's kind of tough to recommend a hottie because our taste are pretty different, and my US taste are waaay different then my Jav ones. but i Can try

Eva Lovia, Romi Rain, Janice Griffin, Peta Jensen, The Plastic Sex Doll Madison Ivy(you gotta have your sex doll who's a fairly solid performer), and The recently deceased August Ames
none of them are vanilla, besides Madison so i don't know if you'd like them.

Hmm I can see where you are coming from. I guess what I mean when I say western porn is "too vanilla" I mean the premise of the scenes more so than the actual sex acts themselves. Western porn usually has no plot whatsoever, and even when there is its the usual tropes. JAV has tropes as well but it is much more varied in my experience. The emphasis on acting also plays a part for me. Western, or rather US porn, the girls seem to act the same way no matter the premise of the scene, leading them to look and feel the same.

Also I'm not sure I agree that US porn is generally less vanilla even straightly speaking about the sex acts involved. I mean, in JAV mass gokkun and bukkake is pretty common. Cum on food is a thing. Massage salon voyeurism. Drug induced trance sex. The amount of non-conventional porn in JAV is huge. While in my experience Western porn is much less varied. I could be wrong, maybe they can be found in the indie porn scene but that's a whole other discussion.

As for how is this related to Julia. I guess her repertoire is just too limited for me.

Western Porn, and JAV follow two different formulas, Western porn is more scene based, while JAV is movie based. The Money in the US comes from subscriptions, and the release of individual scenes while in JAV it's movie sales. The biggest US studio there's plot in almost all there scenes, but how much do you really want to cram into a 30 minute scene? The tropes in both, I don't really find either very varied they both have the same amount of tropes they follow to a tee.

US is less Vanilla, they do all that stuff Jules Jordan, Evil Angel, and Kink do gokkun, bukkake type stuff. A lot of sites have massage themed stuff, and Anal/DP/IR is also very big, and you could probably find cum on food(and really anything) on Clips4Sale(which is indiesh) which is pretty big these days. The only thing JAV really does that the US big companies can't do is r***, and puke themes, but that's because legal reasons, and credit card companies threatening them, but Clips4Sale, and Kink still do them a bit. You can literally find everything, and more in the US mainstream industry.

There are those genres in American porn, but usually not under the major studios and doesn't feature a lot of mainstream pornstars. There are some that don't amwf in Japan or in L.A with Japanese guys, but there are a lot that doesn't know because they hide it from their American fans. There are certain a lot of niches hidden featuring odd actors of different sizes, "plot", etc.

They don't really hide AMWF, just a lot of them aren't really in the know when the stuff gets released, Like US girls market the shit out of everything they do

 

[darksider59]

Not a fan of anal, piss/scat, trans, r*** fantasy, etc. I think my dream porn basically starts off with a bunch of girls in yoga pants or lingerie and that's about it.

I'm not into that neither. I almost forgot that Digital Playground produce full movies with a story and I have seen some of them before (and some scenes from those movies with Jessica Drake) and they are softer than US gonzo (Brazzers, Naughty America, BangBros, ...). But overall, US has more gonzo than JAV, so JAV us more vanilla (the best seller girls are those who do vanilla).

By the way, nice porn dream Mine is similar, just some girls for a harem.

 

[silent1one]

I'm not into that neither. I almost forgot that Digital Playground produce full movies with a story and I have seen some of them before (and some scenes from those movies with Jessica Drake) and they are softer than US gonzo (Brazzers, Naughty America, BangBros, ...). But overall, US has more gonzo than JAV, so JAV us more vanilla (the best seller girls are those who do vanilla).

By the way, nice porn dream Mine is similar, just some girls for a harem.

The transition between the story and the sex is so stereotypical slapstick comedy. They did try bang bus fans pickup, which is literally paying and testing an amateur before casting him as a regular guy on the street.

 

[silkmaze]

I have to agree with several who have posted here. Julia is beautiful. She has an amazing body. BUT when it comes to her acting, she is wooden. She just closes her eyes and moans, says a couple of words, but doesn't really behave/act as the situation demands.

She has gotten better over the last year or 18 months but if you compare her to some other actresses, Kawakami Nanami, Yuna Shina, Meguri, Hatano Yui, and a few more, she doesn't really "stack-up" as a good actress.

For me the part that makes JAV so enjoyable is the story and how the people react/act to the situation they are in. But everyone, I'm sure, would admit that the story/movie is way better if the actor/actress actually puts some passion/fire/feeling into the role to make the story come alive. As beautiful as Julia is, and she is absolutely stunning, she does not bring that to the story. Watch her stuff she hardly raises her voice, more recently she has put a bit more into it, but so far, the first half of her credits, nothing.

As for American, and for that matter European, porn, just doesn't do it for me. There used to be great porn from the US way back, Green Door, The Taboo series, and many more. At least they had great stories, and the people in them actually did try to behave as you would in the given situations. But now-a-days it's all gonzo, or get-together-no-real-story-fuck-leave, or the same story line is done over and over again by the same people (they don't even move to different locations) (Re. REDMilf). The Europeans aren't much better. The Italians try, every-now-and-then and do a somewhat decent job, but most of the stuff from Europe is the same gonzo style that came over from America. Don't even talk to me about the stuff from Russia.

After that rant, don't get me wrong, I will watch the stuff that features Julia, but so often it is the same acting, and near zero story line, and, I'm sorry to say, boring.

 

[fenton]

She has absolutely no connection to the guy making love to her, no connection to his orgasm when he cums inside her. At most she might fein some sluttyness, but even then it doesn't really convince.

Just once I'd like to see her holding the guy, looking him in the eyes, feeling his orgam and kissing him. No rush to withdraw, nice and deep ejaculation as she enjoys his hardness and the intense connection between them.

 

[papadoc1981]

I have to agree with a lot of what's been said about Julia. I haven't watched anything she's done in like over a year. From what I remember, I'd rate her body a 9/10 and her face a 7/10. When I first heard of her she seemed so popular. Everybody seemed to love her, so I was looking forward to watching her perform. Needless to say I was shocked afterwards. It was so bland and uninteresting I couldn't even get a hard-on. But I figured every JAV star has a dud every now and then so later I tried find more movies that had specific themes that liked to watch. I found to flicks with themes I always love watching. One was the 'teacher seducing her students' and the other was 'the older sister seducing the younger sisters BF'. And to my surprise both flicks were average at best. That was when I knew it was her. There seemed like a real lack of excitement in her performance. Everything she did seemed phony. No passion. And she's just not good enough of an actress to fake it. I know I've watch a least a 2 more flicks with her and yet they were so meh I can't even remember which flicks they were. And yes, she's a hottie, but I don't understand why she ever got popular. Good looks can only carry you so far.

 

[Mastur Dave]

Luckily I'm not a JAV fan and love her IV. I've only seen one of her IVs that I didn't like, a GASO vid, and I don't like that whole series.

 

[Supmop]

Oh absolutely. She and most JAV idols won't survive in the US industry. Also I won't debate you she's top 5 hottie in JAV. I do love her, but her face is definitely not in top-5 or top-10.

I AM saying she's pretty competitive if you ignore the "performance" factor. She has big tits, and generally excellent figures (waist, hip, butt, legs, even her neck, shoulders and arms and hands are pleasing to the eyes). Her skin condition is pretty good for her age, and compared against typical US porn stars, her skin condition are off the charts. Her face is so-so compared to the S-class idols in JAV, but in US she ought to be quite competitive. Her big wavy hair also is more exciting (for global audience) than average Asian.

What I am really saying... once in a while, I went back to look for something good in the US/EU scene (tired of mosaic) but always spend too much time looking at unattractive covers and when I finally pick one to download, the chance that I will achieve "lift-off" is less than 30%. The rest of the time, I went back to JAV. A big factor is... vanilla is acceptable, but un-hot girls in sex scene is just unable to get my rocket fired up.

15 years ago I mostly consumed Europorn, mostly Private, some Marc Dorcel. They do get kinda repetitive. But compared to Julia/Rion/Yua/Shoko, Europorn are un-vanilla enough. The main thing is that Private got a lot of East European hotties, at least for a few years. Also I outgrew US-idea of "heat" in sex scenes a long long time ago.

The most recent US porn star that gave me a deep impression was Sasha Grey, that's how long ago... And yes she's a great performer and has a distinct personality/persona but purely as a hottie she's only good, not great.

So if you could recommend a real hottie, great looker, any race, from the US/EU scene, I would love to check them out.

To be success in US porn they must available for anal & DP, that what I dislike from western porn too much backdoor

And i think Julia is not the Asian type that American audiences like, i think 99% JAV Idols won't success in US porn of they keep their looks & on screen attitude

Yes Private was great with east European squad

How about Valentina Nappi ? I think she is a perfect porn star

 

[DavidLu714]

Interesting that in all the posts around JAV stars making it in the US, no one has mentioned the infamous JAV sex sounds. That, combined with censorship, is a huge reason many in non-Asian markets hate JAV. Crying is a genre upon itself in the US market, but not like this...

 

[ding73ding]

Well... we are not here to discuss JAV and/or certain idols crossing the ocean. The topic is JULIA, and we could discuss any branch topic out of JULIA herself, but the bigger question of JAV vs US-Porn is OT.

In particular... there's no debate or disagreement if JULIA can make it in US. She CANNOT. I never argued for it and no one else did either.

I myself have not found any sex-voice to be halfway decent. Not JAV, not USPorn, not EuroPorn. All of them are different degree of unbearable. But 7 out of 10 times when I watch JAV/porn, I have to either mute the audio completely or keep it low enough that the sound doesn't reach the other rooms. I guess that's true for 75% of porn consumers too. So I doubt it's the deal-killer in the real world market.

I am sorry I still haven't had free time to investigate the recommendations. Just let me put 10 seconds to it...
Valentina Nappi's wiki page portrait:

She looks fine for a 47 years old, doesn't she? Oh noooz... she's actually 27, 3 years younger than JULIA. Perhaps she's great in some scenes. And admittedly Wikipedia chose "real" rather than "polished" (i.e. PS) shots for the portrait, but that face, bleh...

When I mentioned Private hotties, I had in mind: Simony Diamond, Silvia Saint, Monica Sweetheart, Dora Venter, Michelle Wild, Jane Darling, Tarra White, Claudia Rossi, back when most of them in their early 20s. Private's brand of EuroPorn has their issues too, fairly repetitive, vanilla in certain ways. And way-too-much, over-saturation of DP. I enjoy anal sex but actually it would be so much better if it's limited to 1/3 to 1/4 of the scenes including anal sex. But I mention JULIA because someone brought up US/Western Porn and Julia does remind me of those Private hotties: high quality hottie but quite vanilla in terms of sexual performance.

 

[paparoach408]

When I mentioned Private hotties, I had in mind: Simony Diamond, Silvia Saint, Monica Sweetheart, Dora Venter, Michelle Wild, Jane Darling, Tarra White, Claudia Rossi, back when most of them in their early 20s. Private's brand of EuroPorn has their issues too, fairly repetitive, vanilla in certain ways. And way-too-much, over-saturation of DP. I enjoy anal sex but actually it would be so much better if it's limited to 1/3 to 1/4 of the scenes including anal sex. But I mention JULIA because someone brought up US/Western Porn and Julia does remind me of those Private hotties: high quality hottie but quite vanilla in terms of sexual performance.

Gosh i just realized how old you are

 

[ding73ding]

Gosh i just realized how old you are

No you have not.

 

[Supmop]

Interesting that in all the posts around JAV stars making it in the US, no one has mentioned the infamous JAV sex sounds. That, combined with censorship, is a huge reason many in non-Asian markets hate JAV. Crying is a genre upon itself in the US market, but not like this...

We have mentioned about it a lot in other threads, mostly in what I dislike from JAV and why I think JAV can't go internasional

The reason why I did not mentioned about JAV moan in here, because they can change, example Marica Hase

I think the biggest obstacle for JAV Idols to work in US industry are :

1. payment

2. their looks

Its obvious that most non Asian audiences prefer Asian with darker skin color, not oriental but south east Asian or indo chinese

 

[Supmop]

Well... we are not here to discuss JAV and/or certain idols crossing the ocean. The topic is JULIA, and we could discuss any branch topic out of JULIA herself, but the bigger question of JAV vs US-Porn is OT.

In particular... there's no debate or disagreement if JULIA can make it in US. She CANNOT. I never argued for it and no one else did either.

I myself have not found any sex-voice to be halfway decent. Not JAV, not USPorn, not EuroPorn. All of them are different degree of unbearable. But 7 out of 10 times when I watch JAV/porn, I have to either mute the audio completely or keep it low enough that the sound doesn't reach the other rooms. I guess that's true for 75% of porn consumers too. So I doubt it's the deal-killer in the real world market.

I am sorry I still haven't had free time to investigate the recommendations. Just let me put 10 seconds to it...
Valentina Nappi's wiki page portrait:

She looks fine for a 47 years old, doesn't she? Oh noooz... she's actually 27, 3 years younger than JULIA. Perhaps she's great in some scenes. And admittedly Wikipedia chose "real" rather than "polished" (i.e. PS) shots for the portrait, but that face, bleh...

When I mentioned Private hotties, I had in mind: Simony Diamond, Silvia Saint, Monica Sweetheart, Dora Venter, Michelle Wild, Jane Darling, Tarra White, Claudia Rossi, back when most of them in their early 20s. Private's brand of EuroPorn has their issues too, fairly repetitive, vanilla in certain ways. And way-too-much, over-saturation of DP. I enjoy anal sex but actually it would be so much better if it's limited to 1/3 to 1/4 of the scenes including anal sex. But I mention JULIA because someone brought up US/Western Porn and Julia does remind me of those Private hotties: high quality hottie but quite vanilla in terms of sexual performance.

Its very difficult to compete with those girls, even the current eastern Europe girls are below their golden generation in both quality & quantity

And about Valentina Nappi some might love her, some other might not, for me her on screen performances are awesome similar with Gianna Michaels

 

[Supmop]

o in my eyes , that american porn star have too much moan compare to japanses star .i dont think that simple people can moan like them

from my own experience ordinary women moans more closer like american pornstar

 

[paparoach408]

^ Lets branch back onto Julia. Julia to me is a legend, and will go down as one when she retires she's going to go out with a pretty strong legacy and it's well deserved

 

[ding73ding]

A minor tidbit from my usual gossip source. The writer is a Taiwanese media person mainly involved in promoting JAV and booking idols to Taiwan (and elsewhere) for commercial events.

Julia's agent ask the writer if he has any job opportunity for Julia. He replied not for now. It seems the current opportunities in Taiwan are smaller photo-shooting sessions that has an mid-ranking JAV idol in swimsuits (skimpy bikinis, I guess) and a bunch of paying customers taking pictures. He thinks that Julia is in the top idol category that would not put up with the long hours, "hard" work and relatively low pay (and perhaps the killer: low prestige) as photo-shoot model. He thinks Julia and other top idols are only suitable/willing for high profile, high pay, "classy" events such as adult trade shows. (in particular she would appear in "classy glamorous" dress rather then being almost naked throwing her cleavage, legs and cheeks around).

In other news, Yua Mikami seems to be spending a lot of time in Taiwan, and we assume she's there making, not spending, money. So somehow Yua, with a hugher prestige and star power, is finding opportunities that Julia managed to miss. (or choose to miss???)

But at least we get a better feel for Julia's status and personality/persona. (at least some) people still regard her as a top idol, her personality and/or persona is a bit snooty, BUT she (via her agent) is actively seeking more commercial opportunities. I think she's very deliberately managing her career path, not saying I agree with her strategy, but at least I respect that she is deliberate about it.

I still think she is vanilla not because she's too lazy/unwilling, I think she is vanilla because she calculated it's a more profitable niche for her, for now.

 

[Supmop]

^ Lets branch back onto Julia. Julia to me is a legend, and will go down as one when she retires she's going to go out with a pretty strong legacy and it's well deserved

She more deserve to be a legend, her performances are much better than Rion