in case any of you may have wondered what has happened to some of the earlier posts, I removed them from this board, only the ones that the info was lost on,
unfortunately Alibi who started this thread, left it in a bit of a mess, (see first post), I will try and start replacing the links, so if any body has any info links/release dates I will try to get a chronological order going, and if there is any blog info etc,
I will leave this here for a little while give you all a chance to read it, and respond