Watermarks You Hate

Casshern2

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I actually get excited when I see a member's name I don't recognize in the DDL section because I think Finally, now, here is maybe some titles that aren't watermarked??? But, alas...no. Seems they were just the first to get them up for DDL, but they are the same old crappy re-encoded watermarked monstrosities that are floating around the Net like so much flotsam and jetsam...
 

Charming69

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Sad too much of watermark
Especially good movie
Now i almost not find anything free of watermark
Any site of un watermark jav?
Those watermark guys are crazy basicly they stole and let all the world know they stole it
I think this bcoz of piracy
If gov more strict and catch those watermark guys(they basicly tell they stole so the gov and easily track them right)
 

pikuseru

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Yipman seems busy nowadays. I think you will just have to be patient. Non-watermarked (and non-DRM) versions come out eventually.

I think best way to stop people sharing watermarked videos is stop downloading them. It is just encouraging them. I've said before, this forum should ban links to watermarked videos.
 
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SamKook

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Banning watermarked video on the forum won't happen since it would make a lot of the movies unavailable, but there's a new rule in trial(currently only in the idol section) that a posts with a watermarked video will be required to mention it contains a watermark so at least you'll know before downloading and you won't have a nasty surprise if you didn't notice it in the screenshots.

Nowadays, a lot of the manufacturers started to add watermarks in their DVD release(their logo/something similar on the top right, kind of like what the dmm release have, but without the dmm below it) which is such a shame. I've been grabbing a lot of ISO so I can make higher quality watermark free releases, but now that there's no source without a watermark even if you buy it, it's not very motivating to do so.
 

jugulear

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Needs More Loli recently made a complaint that rang true with me: videos that freeze or are otherwise uncooperative when you try to skip ahead. My favorite player was GOM (mainly because it has a handy adjustable skip-ahead feature, and it has other things that are nice, too... such as automatically playing the next movie in the directory. Other players in my possession, such as VLC, MPC and UMPlayer, have their place, but are not as versatile), yet GOM started to get time-consumingly problematic. I came upon Pot Player (thanks to a member's recommendation; never even heard of it), and I wanted to report it is working well. It's got most of the GOM advantages, and the videos open immediately, and the seek time is greatly diminished. I don't like the way Pot Player added items to the right-click menu, and even though I'm sure that I unchecked file associations during the installation process, all the media files got associated anyway. Overall, however, its performance is a vast improvement.

Now... I've been running into this new monster recently:

Watermark WANZ-382.jpg
The scene is from WANZ-382, in case you're curious

The pink heart thingie at top right, with the pair of female silhouettes... looks like it's covering a former intrusion underneath, colored red. (Battle of the watermarks!)

It's fairly big, it's opaque and it stinks.


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pikuseru

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It looks like there is another red watermark underneath the URL in top-left of the screen too. And of course, there is also a grey watermark which I assume is the DMM/wanz watermark in the top-right.

Probably the worst thing though, the video quality looks terrible. Does it really look like that, or is that because of the JPEG compression?
 

Electromog

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The thing under the pink logo looks like it could be that well known MU logo. A bit hard to see though.
 

Casshern2

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The thing under the pink logo looks like it could be that well known MU logo. A bit hard to see though.
The M in that logo curves inward, though. This pink mess is curving outward. Nice guess, though, with the pink involved.
 

jugulear

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Casshern2 was correct.

It was not the "MU" watermark (see first post) that the pink heart with the pair of female silhouettes was covering, but instead another intruder that reads, "Hi5"; I was able to read it against a light background:

PINK LOGO.jpg

I just ran into this in its pure (although a watermark has nothing to do with purity) and unobstructed form:

HI5 LOGO.jpg



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kharo88

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I don't mind watermarks and that's why I haven't posted in this thread yet. I mean, I'd prefer to not have them, but if watermarks are the difference between having a title and not having a title to watch, I'm all for watermarks. So even though I've come across many scenes where they blocked my view for some time I just sat there patiently and waited it out. I usually noticed them during footjobs/handjobs, as was the case with this one:

ab8.jpg


Sure, this is far from ideal, but I'll put up with it for reasons already mentioned. But when the director decides to choose an angle from which I can't see the most exciting thing going on on screen...

ab9.jpg

ab10.jpg


... that's not cool. Not cool at all!
 
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needs more loli

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This is rip is by far the worst I've seen. The entire video is played back at like 10x speed. Its so bad I actually laughed out loud when I realized what was going on. And of course it wouldn't be complete without that infuriating Chinese casino ad.
 

ding73ding

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I understand there's no point for you to lie. But in all honesty I hunt for these casino rip. Well of course my first preference is to find watermark-free SD or HD rips (sadly in recent months the frames are not provided or the frames that's provided cannot prove one way or another), second preference is ISO (a far from ideal way to get watermark free rips, due to spending time re-encoding), but since the combined hit rate of these two options is well below 50%, I have to settle for watermarked rips. In that case, I find the casino rip to have a high hit rate (finding the vid I want) and very easy to deal with. I just fire up my video editor, it takes literally 2 minute to configure the editor, start the job, and before I even get a coffee brewed up or go for a toilet break, the new vid is done, minus the casino at the start and any trailers or DMM ads at the end. I am lucky enough that I have NEVER run into a single casino rip that doesn't work well. Once or twice I cut a quarter or even a third of the length of the vid simply trimming off the huge number of trailers at the end. Have never seen the playback speed, freezing, resolution problems etc etc, not once. If the torrent is good (completing the download), the rip is good (playback), that's my experience.

The last resort for me is the yellow text rip. Sometimes, they even come in the Chinese subtitled and double watermark variety: basically a Taiwan company translated the vid and put subtitle on the vid (traditional characters), add a scrolling watermark or three (luckily lasting no more than 10 seconds each time) and then these yellow rippers add the yellow text (simplified characters). I am most unhappy with the massive damage to the video, but OTOH the high quality translation (I can read Chinese) does add a lot of enjoyment, sometimes. Similar to the casino rip, I have very little problem with these rips, I wouldn't say NEVER for the yellow rips, they have been around since forever.
 

Hans Kowalski

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You can trim as much of the casino ads as you want, the truth of the matter is that 99% of their output still suffers from delayed audio.
 
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Electromog

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I've now downloaded two movies where the screenshots posted had no watermarks but the actual video did. Turns out the watermark I hate most is the one they sneak past you and you find too late.
 

needs more loli

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I've now downloaded two movies where the screenshots posted had no watermarks but the actual video did. Turns out the watermark I hate most is the one they sneak past you and you find too late.
I've noticed that too. Either they take very small screenshots that are compressed to the point that you cannot see the watermarks or they are posting screenshots from an unwatermarked version. sneaky bastards
 
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ding73ding

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You can trim as much of the casino ads as you want, the truth of the matter is that 99% of their output still suffers from delayed audio.

But that's exactly what I'm saying: I never encountered any playback problems with the casino rip: audio sync, playback speed, freezing, stutter, resolution problems etc etc, not once.

My experience is casino rips are far preferable to yellow rips.

I understand what you guys are saying, I sometimes run into playback problems with anime (especially in FHD), so I tend to stick with certain release groups (HorribleSubs is my fav). But somehow I've been lucky with JAV, usually the problem is find seeds for older vids. If the download completes then the worse I have encountered is inability to random seek (skip forward or backward). Which is hugely annoying. If I watch anything I usually watch it from start to finish, but never for JAV, so random seek is crucial.

Ahh... but I bet a re-encode would fix it. But again... I haven't encounter even random seek failure for a while now... I need to dig into my older downloads to find one to test...

Also I guess I could download the bad rip (10x speed) that @needs more loli mentioned and see if it plays correctly on my gear.
 
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chosun

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Nah, the casino rips are generally utter shit with their audio delay. I got fed up with it that I made a bat file to run them through ffmpeg to re-sync the video and audio streams. YAG-055 and MXGS-880 being recent examples I came across.
 
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ding73ding

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Also I guess I could download the bad rip (10x speed) that @needs more loli mentioned and see if it plays correctly on my gear.
I did do that but I forgot to update the thread. Indeed that file was as broken as @needs more loli described.

Nah, the casino rips are generally utter shit with their audio delay. I got fed up with it that I made a bat file to run them through ffmpeg to re-sync the video and audio streams. YAG-055 and MXGS-880 being recent examples I came across.

Still... my experience with the "casino rips" are more positive than negative. One recent bad case is a rip which doesn't have ANY audio. And maybe one or two more that has audio synch problem. So OK casino rips aren't bulletproof, but the success rate is high enough that if there's a choice I will give preference to casino rips, especially HD and FHD versions. There's a decent chance the watermark is the smaller paler white one-liner rather than the two blocks of three lines of bright yellow text. And there's even a small but non-zero chance a casino rip is (otherwise) watermark-free.

For a while there's a sub-breed of yellow-text rips that are HD/FHD with the same yellow watermarks but since the frame size is almost 9x bigger than SD vids, the relative obstruction of the same watermark is a lot smaller, almost to the extent that it's comparable to the white-one-line watermark. But the happiness (or slightly reduced annoyance) was too short-lived, now there's a new sub-breed of FHD yellow-watermarks that's huge and shifted closer to the screen's center, that's a lot worse than the SD yellow-watermark that we all hate but put up with.