weee pc went bonkers afk for quite a while. Finally back, so a wall of text. Bear with me guys =D
I must say I really didn't know there're actually western-chikan type vids until
motiman's post. Kudos to Motiman.
Checking those out , I must say they are promising , but still quite not as there as JAV chikan.
It would seem that most of the vid , the victims would just keep a straight face while the gropers were at it. I would imagine some genre of groper's style where the girls keep a straight face and pretend nothing happening. (TBH that is a great genre, if they can do it right)
However it seem more like they are still in the "green" stage of transformation from where they keeping all they could from changing back into "Oh Yeah baby, give it to me" switch and keeping a straight face is their current stage of "chikan" evolution.
But still its innovative , I do hope they improve on it.
and after checking out
Jug's post on brutal casting a/m on Skye West. The start really look promising =D . But it soon spiral down into a distasteful mixture for me personally. The bondage rope are great idea , but the manhandling aint. I really hope put more effort into story and acting rather than brutalization realization. The AV actor strangulated poor Skye into a purple-red hue many times during the vids. But this IS brutal casting after all.
There are many scenes in JAV where bondage and NC and roughplay are required. But they never give me stomach upturns squeamishness as when I watch western porn on the same genre. Personally one of the reason I feel is that JAV actors do respect the actresses which they work with which are very lacking in western porn. But each to his own , JAV might actually be too "mild" n another person view..mmmm. But I guess thats why the west really need some kinda of female protection laws. There are really some really violent sickos.
And an western film with bullying students on a teacher?(Jug post on Luna Lombardi) Really gotto check it out!! I must say Italians really got the ideas.
Great thread and although i don't have the time to give you particular examples i do agree with the sentiment that European porn is closer to JAV than US porn. My thoughts immediately go to the productions of studios like Private, Dorcel and especially Salieri during the 90's and early 2000's. Back then we would get full scale movies that were always interesting and not afraid to tackle difficult subjects including r***, incest, blackmail and schoolgirls. Sadly these studios have declined in recent years and tended to favour more gonzo type movies although Dorcel do still produce the odd gem here and there.
Can't agree more more , they got the juice , but rather that they would not think out of the box , the problem is they "can't" think out of the box. Alot of genre in JAV now would be certainly frowned upon in western culture.
A good topic to discuss would be shotacon genre. There are many vids like the RCT
http://www.dmm.co.jp/monthly/premium/-/list/=/article=series/id=212221/
Mostly they just get a mosaic-ed small sized adult actor and put a childish cap on him and pass him off as a extremely young boy. Any portrayal of juveniles in sexual environment even if the juvenile is the protaganist is extremely sensitive in western culture. Unless you want FBI kicking down your front door and flooring u with dozen tasers. I might be wrong but I think the reason why Japan use adults rather than boys is more on labor laws hehehe..
This is MEYD -127 starring Yui Nishikawa where she was terrorized by her stepson when he found out her weakness (sorry for the w/m)
those Japanese definitely have no problem portraying kids in uniform. And that's no high school uniform man
But of coz if anyone really wanna go into the legal issues. Seriously this show is about a seriously deranged middle age man who like to dress up in kids uniform... hehehehehe
And while most western vid about stepson forcing on stepmom usually end up in the "oh yeah give it to me baby" scene.
I have no idea Yui can display such a helpless cornered face !!! SWEEET
The desolation, helplessness cornering of predator and prey. Nicely done
Frankly I preferred the JAV way.
But to be fair , the Italians really got to the nearest. Before all the juvenile protection and female empowerment stuff ,there were the age of sexploitation films era in Italian cinemagraphy. And there was Malizia!!! Italian shotacon
(My eternal goddess, the late Laura Antonelli. I will bow to her forever.)
Laura played a middle age housekeeper who was sexually terrorized by Alessandro Momo who is portraying a 14 year old boy I think. Yep not sure what is his actual age. But definitely a law suit case in current western culture. Malizia is by no means porn but definitely a movie worthy of
https://www.akiba-online.com/threads/movie-review-areolas.1608186/#post-3222899 if it's was japanese porn =D
The iconic scene where Alessandro tried to pilfer Laura's panties in front of everyone during lunch
and she tried to stop him in vain.
And forcing her to undress in front of her overweight buddy and make her seduce his father so she become his stepmom forever. Not exactly h/c porn but certainly a lot of great ideas and creativity. It will be interesting to see what the Italians can achieve if they were not constraint by the social norms and rules of current age.