Sorry to go off tangent, but if you like SILK LABO's output paparoach408, then check out La Coviluna and also Girl's Channel by SOD. The latter often recuts regular AV titles for a female audience.
Western Porn Bringing JAV to Mind, and How Well They Succeed
- Thread starter jugulear
- Start date
-
Akiba-Online is sponsored by FileJoker.
FileJoker is a required filehost for all new posts and content replies in the Direct Downloads subforums.
Failure to include FileJoker links for Direct Download posts will result in deletion of your posts or worse.
For more information see this thread.
yes we can positive side from censsorship rule
current global crisis might force companies to cut their operational cost, and I learn many young generation doesn't care about storyline anymore
but lets hope it will not happen, we still need high quality AV
also forgot, the creampie market will die since the illusion that they are real will go away since we will now see the condoms all the time!!! it would be catastrophic, and so darn vanilla. Mosaic please never go awayyes we can positive side from censsorship rule
current global crisis might force companies to cut their operational cost, and I learn many young generation doesn't care about storyline anymore
but lets hope it will not happen, we still need high quality AV
yes thin mozaik make audiences easy to noticed fake dick, fake creampie
maybe the will move the mozaik to male's face, so more people will believe that they are amateurs
and uncenssored labels could get advantage from this, that they are making a real creampie actions, like Tokyo Hot slogan : no condom, real cum
This guy always gets paired with the hottest women. I wish I had a body him.Erik Everhard was the most impressive but there are also a handful of muscular guys in JAV like this savage
He also kind of resembles my current workout motivation: Jon Skywalker. This dude is so fuckin alpha, even his name (Skywalker) is pimp.
Some women like twinky, yaoi boys from JGV. I've seen some tumblr accounts going crazy for these girly boys.
yes some women love pretty boys, I have some female friends who like that type
but not all of them like that type and with other reasons, from my experience most females prefer to watch western porn than JAV
Checked him out, he reminds me alot of Jeff Steroid.
Like so many others he is also selling useless expensive shit
Apart from the fact that he is selling useless supplements and a handful of photos where he looks Contest lean (in the photo where he is promoting shredz supplements he looks like he is just below 8% bf)
I guess it's so much easier to pretend to be natty because of the IFBB guys who are absolute mass monsters with massive HGH guts
100% natty even though he is bigger and leaner than the olympia winners from the golden era back in the days when steroids were legal.
His 100% natural gains are from the 700$ duck eggs he sells https://mikeohearn.com/store/natural-supplements-1-month-supply-anti-aging-solution-vials/
Also he is quite out of shape here
http://www.r18.com/videos/vod/movie...o-Debut/id=1cube00002/?i3_ref=search&i3_ord=4
about 15-18 bf from his usual 12-13 bf which is really lean for a porn star.
Attachments
Last edited:
Just to clarify, I'm not really into body building so most of the stuff you said went right over my head lol.Checked him out, he reminds me alot of Jeff Steroid.
Like so many others he is also selling useless expensive shit
Apart from the fact that he is selling useless supplements and a handful of photos where he looks Contest lean (in the photo where he is promoting shredz supplements he looks like he is just below 8% bf)
I guess it's so much easier to pretend to be natty because of the IFBB guys who are absolute mass monsters with massive HGH guts
100% natty even though he is bigger and leaner than the olympia winners from the golden era back in the days when steroids were legal.
His 100% natural gains are from the 700$ duck eggs he sells https://mikeohearn.com/store/natural-supplements-1-month-supply-anti-aging-solution-vials/
Also he is quite out of shape here
http://www.r18.com/videos/vod/movie...o-Debut/id=1cube00002/?i3_ref=search&i3_ord=4
about 15-18 bf from his usual 12-13 bf which is really lean for a porn star.
As for Jon Skywalker he doesn't claim to be natural at all, he even jokes all the time about his steroid cycle and what not. All I know is that dude has the perfect body that women want and could probably make any girl's panties drop. He's not super jacked and huge to the point that girls find him disgusting. In fact it was a female friend that linked me to his Instagram in the first place. Which was kind of the point the thread was heading...
I just assumed he was another fake natty because of the fact that he is promoting supplements (steroids and cocaine isn't cheap after all) and hangs out with fake natties like Jeff Steroid and Matt Ogus (the "half natty" G4P guy) .
This guy is the worst known case of Palumboism (HGH gut), yet he pretends he's natty
I guess women prefer him becuase he isn't super lean with striated glutes, Christmas tree and deep cuts or a mass monster like the guys in the International Federation of Big Bellies.
Attachments
Last edited:
.
Always wonderful when a thread takes a life of its own, even when the direction travels in unintended ways. (Although the last thing I had in mind involved the fine points of male actors... as much as I've extended more energy toward JAV men than most, on another thread.)
I enjoyed Supmop writing, "Good thread, now we have a place to discuss the difference in JAV vs western porn"... because I love getting pats on the back, even when they are undeserved.
I recall threads that were devoted to exactly that... I think there were a couple, but here is one, at least:
Japanese Porn vs. American Porn
Let me remind all of what I had in mind, which boils down to basically these factors:
1) We love JAV
2) Most agree Western (really, American) porn pales in comparison.
3) On the other hand, if there are those rare examples of Western porn that bring JAV to mind, wouldn't you want to know about them, to extend your porn enjoyment? I sure would... that is why I created this thread.
4) We can also write about how Western porn tries to be like JAV and fails miserably, as I devoted my first post to. I find the pointing out of "would be JAV" stupid American porn to be extremely enjoyable, but while it's fun, that's a negative. I'd rather we accentuate the positive, so that we may find information nuggets we can benefit by.
My starting words on this thread were: "We are not allowed to speak about Western porn at Akiba-Online, unless it's in relation to JAV. That is the emphasis..."
I got a message from one of our members who (unfortunately) speaks up rarely, and he provided specific examples that would have fit right at home right here. He explained, "Since you mentioned that we aren't allowed to post on western porn I thought I would just PM you instead."
Unless our wonderful moderators say otherwise, I know from my experience here on "Discussion" that referring to Western porn is fine, as long as we point out how they relate to JAV. So if you would like to contribute and bring up JAVvy examples of Western porn (hopefully, the kind that succeeds, but also, if merited, the kind that falls on its face), please make sure to explain why you feel they bring JAV to mind.
Before I give you some positive examples, it is important to stress how difficult it is to come up with such examples. The kind I like are of the "damsel-in-distress" variety, and as I pointed out in JAV = 1, U.S. PORN = 0 (see my first post), the one U.S. company that comes close is in the "story" vehicles from KINK studios.
KINK is good because they often treat their subject seriously, like JAV. Yet when we watch a KINK production, we don't always think about JAV... it's a different animal.
KINK also takes the easy way out and provides porn in "dungeon" settings, which is a whole lot easier to produce than porn with thought behind it. Yet again, there is a big difference with their dungeon porn. The dungeon porn I see in JAV, such as the kind put out by BABY ENTERTAINMENT, is different. The emphasis is on the nose hooks, candle wax and enemas... sometimes we get the spankings, and sometimes the sex. (Frankly, I'm not too crazy about dungeon porn, but if I must dabble, I'd prefer the kind with more sex.)
So the reason why this is hard is because JAV is so different. We know how "unique" the product from ROCKET is. I'd be hard pressed to think of Western porn trying to emulate something similar. For example, ROCKET has made a niche out of "Guess which dick pointing out of the gloryhole is your relative or boyfriend" sort of thing. Far as I know, there is nothing like that anywhere else. ('Course, blood incest is prohibited in U.S. porn, as far as I know... once the country took a sharp turn to the right, beginning with the Reagan years. That's why when American smutsters delve into this area, they make sure to point out the relative is a step-relative.)
Other genres can be just as evasive... the loli stuff? That would brush against dangerous kiddie porn. Bukake? Not the kind we see in JAV. (Neither category is in my interest, so I don't really know.) Catfights?
Even there, JAV comes across as having its own identity. (KINK has a series entitled "Ultimate Surrender," and interestingly, I recently came across a JAV that made me think, this is just like "Ultimate Surrender." But the topic of JAV that is like American porn is for a different thread...)
I think I've chewed your ear off enough as to where we should go from here.
Now for some examples.
Much of the damsel-in-distress variety that reminds us of JAV comes from the smaller outfits, as I have already pointed out. I see these have become more available on the tube sites (which especially ain't right, given that the smaller outfits can't afford their profit margin to be compromised).
One of these outfits is Primal Fetish, a name they go by, among others; I think their superhero line is "Dark Side by Primal."
I saw one that impressed me, called Mighty Girl Mind Fucked ... the actress, Callie Calypso, was really amazing.
Mind Control is another "genre" that we see in JAV. I'm having trouble remembering examples now, although I've certainly seen the kind where women get bent to do the bad guy's will. Maybe I'm thinking of hypnotism movies, because the other kind, like "Time Stop" are more like "Mindless Control" movies. Well, here is a rare instance where U.S. porn, at least in the case of this small porn maker's output, is better than JAV. They get mind control right... either when hypnotized and lose their will, or as in the case of "Mighty Girl," where the woman knows what is happening and is powerless to stop it. (I guess this is more of a case of body, and not mind, control.)
With Callie Calypso as our example... as with JAV, sometimes it is the actress who can make the difference between failure and success. The one positive example I gave in my beginning post was one with the actress Cherie DeVille. I came across a review of a Sex and Submission episode (one I have not seen, called "Fear Play and Extreme Fantasy Role-Play") that Ms. DeVille appeared in, within the KINK site:
The first two-thirds or so of this shoot is some of the most intense and erotic stuff I've seen. Cherie is great at conveying the fear and horror of a truly unwilling victim, which is not something that can be said about a lot of the actresses on here, try as they might.
That is exactly why Cherie DeVille stood out for me in the example I had cited (another Primal Fetish one entitled, Beautiful Mom Trapped in Her Own Home); it was her accentuated expressions. Sure, she hams it up, but it really helps!
One reason why I created the Actresses Who Convincingly Convey Consternation thread was precisely because I was so impressed with the expressions and acting ability of Rin Ogawa, a cut above many of her peers.
(By the way, the KINK member went on to explain why the last third of the movie failed:
But why oh why did they feel it necessary to break character at two points, interrupting the fantasy to tell each other how much fun they were having???
Isn't it just like stupid American porn to go and ruin a good thing? A great argument to watch these flicks with the sound off.)
Another example of an actress who can make or break the fantasy (at least the kind where a woman is taken against her will) is Britney Amber. Her expressions in Under the Influence (a hypnotism movie from, once again, Primal Fetish) added extra juice to the goings-on.
Normally, such overacting would not be such a good thing, but in this kind of setting, showing a more overt reaction (such as widely opening the eyes) can be a great plus.
Wrapping up, especially since I've shot off my mouth too much...
My parting shot will be an example of Italian porn since our title does say "Western," and not exclusively American... (although — and please don't tell anyone — we are primarily focusing on American, here); it's the fourth scene in a feature entitled "The Anatomy Teacher" ("Prof. di Anatomia," 2003) and the scene is beautiful. (Screen shots.)
The bad guy, who comes across as a greasy lout (perfect casting) has something over on her teacher (the beautiful, and innocent-looking, Luna Lombardi)... yes, the typically JAV "blackmailing" plot device, only the Italians did it right, unlike stupid American porn...
It's fantastic the way she shoots her assailant such looks of disapproval (at one point, the thug actually ad libs a pushing-away-of-her-face, with his hand... great!), and toward the end, a weak-willed classmate who has been peeping is invited over to participate in a three-way (and her remaining hole does not go unignored).
Not exactly the way JAV's omnipresent "violated teacher" movies are handled, but this movie came close... and, in fact, perhaps improved upon the premise, given the defiant way in which the teacher handled her predicament.
Now then! Since I have reminded you all of what this thread was designed for, please do come up with examples of your own.
.
Always wonderful when a thread takes a life of its own, even when the direction travels in unintended ways. (Although the last thing I had in mind involved the fine points of male actors... as much as I've extended more energy toward JAV men than most, on another thread.)
I enjoyed Supmop writing, "Good thread, now we have a place to discuss the difference in JAV vs western porn"... because I love getting pats on the back, even when they are undeserved.
I recall threads that were devoted to exactly that... I think there were a couple, but here is one, at least:
Japanese Porn vs. American Porn
Let me remind all of what I had in mind, which boils down to basically these factors:
1) We love JAV
2) Most agree Western (really, American) porn pales in comparison.
3) On the other hand, if there are those rare examples of Western porn that bring JAV to mind, wouldn't you want to know about them, to extend your porn enjoyment? I sure would... that is why I created this thread.
4) We can also write about how Western porn tries to be like JAV and fails miserably, as I devoted my first post to. I find the pointing out of "would be JAV" stupid American porn to be extremely enjoyable, but while it's fun, that's a negative. I'd rather we accentuate the positive, so that we may find information nuggets we can benefit by.
My starting words on this thread were: "We are not allowed to speak about Western porn at Akiba-Online, unless it's in relation to JAV. That is the emphasis..."
I got a message from one of our members who (unfortunately) speaks up rarely, and he provided specific examples that would have fit right at home right here. He explained, "Since you mentioned that we aren't allowed to post on western porn I thought I would just PM you instead."
Unless our wonderful moderators say otherwise, I know from my experience here on "Discussion" that referring to Western porn is fine, as long as we point out how they relate to JAV. So if you would like to contribute and bring up JAVvy examples of Western porn (hopefully, the kind that succeeds, but also, if merited, the kind that falls on its face), please make sure to explain why you feel they bring JAV to mind.
Before I give you some positive examples, it is important to stress how difficult it is to come up with such examples. The kind I like are of the "damsel-in-distress" variety, and as I pointed out in JAV = 1, U.S. PORN = 0 (see my first post), the one U.S. company that comes close is in the "story" vehicles from KINK studios.
KINK is good because they often treat their subject seriously, like JAV. Yet when we watch a KINK production, we don't always think about JAV... it's a different animal.
KINK also takes the easy way out and provides porn in "dungeon" settings, which is a whole lot easier to produce than porn with thought behind it. Yet again, there is a big difference with their dungeon porn. The dungeon porn I see in JAV, such as the kind put out by BABY ENTERTAINMENT, is different. The emphasis is on the nose hooks, candle wax and enemas... sometimes we get the spankings, and sometimes the sex. (Frankly, I'm not too crazy about dungeon porn, but if I must dabble, I'd prefer the kind with more sex.)
So the reason why this is hard is because JAV is so different. We know how "unique" the product from ROCKET is. I'd be hard pressed to think of Western porn trying to emulate something similar. For example, ROCKET has made a niche out of "Guess which dick pointing out of the gloryhole is your relative or boyfriend" sort of thing. Far as I know, there is nothing like that anywhere else. ('Course, blood incest is prohibited in U.S. porn, as far as I know... once the country took a sharp turn to the right, beginning with the Reagan years. That's why when American smutsters delve into this area, they make sure to point out the relative is a step-relative.)
Other genres can be just as evasive... the loli stuff? That would brush against dangerous kiddie porn. Bukake? Not the kind we see in JAV. (Neither category is in my interest, so I don't really know.) Catfights?
Even there, JAV comes across as having its own identity. (KINK has a series entitled "Ultimate Surrender," and interestingly, I recently came across a JAV that made me think, this is just like "Ultimate Surrender." But the topic of JAV that is like American porn is for a different thread...)
I think I've chewed your ear off enough as to where we should go from here.
Now for some examples.
Much of the damsel-in-distress variety that reminds us of JAV comes from the smaller outfits, as I have already pointed out. I see these have become more available on the tube sites (which especially ain't right, given that the smaller outfits can't afford their profit margin to be compromised).
One of these outfits is Primal Fetish, a name they go by, among others; I think their superhero line is "Dark Side by Primal."
I saw one that impressed me, called Mighty Girl Mind Fucked ... the actress, Callie Calypso, was really amazing.
Mind Control is another "genre" that we see in JAV. I'm having trouble remembering examples now, although I've certainly seen the kind where women get bent to do the bad guy's will. Maybe I'm thinking of hypnotism movies, because the other kind, like "Time Stop" are more like "Mindless Control" movies. Well, here is a rare instance where U.S. porn, at least in the case of this small porn maker's output, is better than JAV. They get mind control right... either when hypnotized and lose their will, or as in the case of "Mighty Girl," where the woman knows what is happening and is powerless to stop it. (I guess this is more of a case of body, and not mind, control.)
With Callie Calypso as our example... as with JAV, sometimes it is the actress who can make the difference between failure and success. The one positive example I gave in my beginning post was one with the actress Cherie DeVille. I came across a review of a Sex and Submission episode (one I have not seen, called "Fear Play and Extreme Fantasy Role-Play") that Ms. DeVille appeared in, within the KINK site:
The first two-thirds or so of this shoot is some of the most intense and erotic stuff I've seen. Cherie is great at conveying the fear and horror of a truly unwilling victim, which is not something that can be said about a lot of the actresses on here, try as they might.
That is exactly why Cherie DeVille stood out for me in the example I had cited (another Primal Fetish one entitled, Beautiful Mom Trapped in Her Own Home); it was her accentuated expressions. Sure, she hams it up, but it really helps!
One reason why I created the Actresses Who Convincingly Convey Consternation thread was precisely because I was so impressed with the expressions and acting ability of Rin Ogawa, a cut above many of her peers.
(By the way, the KINK member went on to explain why the last third of the movie failed:
But why oh why did they feel it necessary to break character at two points, interrupting the fantasy to tell each other how much fun they were having???
Isn't it just like stupid American porn to go and ruin a good thing? A great argument to watch these flicks with the sound off.)
Another example of an actress who can make or break the fantasy (at least the kind where a woman is taken against her will) is Britney Amber. Her expressions in Under the Influence (a hypnotism movie from, once again, Primal Fetish) added extra juice to the goings-on.
Normally, such overacting would not be such a good thing, but in this kind of setting, showing a more overt reaction (such as widely opening the eyes) can be a great plus.
Wrapping up, especially since I've shot off my mouth too much...
My parting shot will be an example of Italian porn since our title does say "Western," and not exclusively American... (although — and please don't tell anyone — we are primarily focusing on American, here); it's the fourth scene in a feature entitled "The Anatomy Teacher" ("Prof. di Anatomia," 2003) and the scene is beautiful. (Screen shots.)
The bad guy, who comes across as a greasy lout (perfect casting) has something over on her teacher (the beautiful, and innocent-looking, Luna Lombardi)... yes, the typically JAV "blackmailing" plot device, only the Italians did it right, unlike stupid American porn...
It's fantastic the way she shoots her assailant such looks of disapproval (at one point, the thug actually ad libs a pushing-away-of-her-face, with his hand... great!), and toward the end, a weak-willed classmate who has been peeping is invited over to participate in a three-way (and her remaining hole does not go unignored).
Not exactly the way JAV's omnipresent "violated teacher" movies are handled, but this movie came close... and, in fact, perhaps improved upon the premise, given the defiant way in which the teacher handled her predicament.
Now then! Since I have reminded you all of what this thread was designed for, please do come up with examples of your own.
.
Last edited:
^ I think that discussion and pics has always been fine of western porn, just don't post any links
But on your topic, i really don't think you can find a lot of similar western porn that come off like JAV.
you could probably make a case with European porn, but American doesn't even stand a chance because of how restricted they are, heck KINK Is tame compared to what it was two years ago
But on your topic, i really don't think you can find a lot of similar western porn that come off like JAV.
you could probably make a case with European porn, but American doesn't even stand a chance because of how restricted they are, heck KINK Is tame compared to what it was two years ago
Last edited:
.
"...I really don't think you can find a lot of similar western porn that come off like JAV."
Ah! We are in agreement, Papa! One line from my last post was:
"It is important to stress how difficult it is to come up with such examples."
...Yet they are out there; I came up with several examples already, as may be read above, and there are certainly more. Mind you, we won't find much "exactly" like JAV, but the best we can do is point out those with the "essence" of JAV.
The KINK output seems the same as it used to be, so I'm not in agreement about "KINK Is tame compared to what it was two years ago." In fact, I am curious about what made you say that.
Speaking of KINK, I can now present a JAVvy example (with thanks to the member who had contacted me).
One of my favorite JAV genres is one we may word as "JAV with Mom Having Sex/Getting r***ing by Son's Friend or Bully." That was Member LimeLemon's wording in a thread he had begun over a year ago, and one where I had provided a pretty good wrap-up (if I do say so myself) of the various JAV series exploring the theme.
From Bound Gang Bangs: Hey Mrs. S: MILFTASTIC FEATURE SHOOT (2012)
In this week's naughty fantasy update Simone Sonay plays Mrs. S, a hot MILF who flirts shamelessly with her son's friends. When these 18 year old studs can't take it anymore they decide to quit flirting and get down to business. They fill all of Mrs. S's holes, tie her up, and have their way with her. Double vag, double-anal, hentai, and 6 guy facial!
Allowing for the movie's "otherworldly" (i.e. non-Japanese) character, the execution is not far from the way the situation would be treated in the JAV world. Why, the bad boys even take a photo of the spent victim at the end, which is a device we see in many JAVs (and it is surprising how rare this highly satisfying "humiliating tactic" appears in Western porn).
(Will you look at the way their description includes the word "hentai," little realizing that one day years later the point would be made this episode has reminders of JAV.)
Simone Sonay (evidently the referred-to movie was her very first for KINK) has sensational looks, but unfortunately, her horrendous tattoos take away from the effect of a dignified and attractive older woman. It is hard to buy her as a sophisticate, thanks to her bodily mutilation. She also suffers from sometimes smiling during her performances, in the midst of her torment, giving the idea that she is perfectly in on the game.
Above, in a 2013 episode of what the mentioned series evolved into being, Hardcore Gangbang. ("Sexy MILF Simone Sonay Takes two Dicks in her Ass.")
On the page for this episode, we may read the description, "Simone Sonay lives out her fantasy of being taken down and fucked by strange men." It is so disheartening to come across descriptions such as this from KINK... as though these scenarios are the actresses' idea. I suppose this is a U.S. porn studio (dealing with aggressive subject matter)'s "safeguard measure" against arbitrary obscenity laws. (They could say, Look! This is a depiction of the woman's fantasy).
.
"...I really don't think you can find a lot of similar western porn that come off like JAV."
Ah! We are in agreement, Papa! One line from my last post was:
"It is important to stress how difficult it is to come up with such examples."
...Yet they are out there; I came up with several examples already, as may be read above, and there are certainly more. Mind you, we won't find much "exactly" like JAV, but the best we can do is point out those with the "essence" of JAV.
The KINK output seems the same as it used to be, so I'm not in agreement about "KINK Is tame compared to what it was two years ago." In fact, I am curious about what made you say that.
Speaking of KINK, I can now present a JAVvy example (with thanks to the member who had contacted me).
One of my favorite JAV genres is one we may word as "JAV with Mom Having Sex/Getting r***ing by Son's Friend or Bully." That was Member LimeLemon's wording in a thread he had begun over a year ago, and one where I had provided a pretty good wrap-up (if I do say so myself) of the various JAV series exploring the theme.
From Bound Gang Bangs: Hey Mrs. S: MILFTASTIC FEATURE SHOOT (2012)
In this week's naughty fantasy update Simone Sonay plays Mrs. S, a hot MILF who flirts shamelessly with her son's friends. When these 18 year old studs can't take it anymore they decide to quit flirting and get down to business. They fill all of Mrs. S's holes, tie her up, and have their way with her. Double vag, double-anal, hentai, and 6 guy facial!
Allowing for the movie's "otherworldly" (i.e. non-Japanese) character, the execution is not far from the way the situation would be treated in the JAV world. Why, the bad boys even take a photo of the spent victim at the end, which is a device we see in many JAVs (and it is surprising how rare this highly satisfying "humiliating tactic" appears in Western porn).
(Will you look at the way their description includes the word "hentai," little realizing that one day years later the point would be made this episode has reminders of JAV.)
Simone Sonay (evidently the referred-to movie was her very first for KINK) has sensational looks, but unfortunately, her horrendous tattoos take away from the effect of a dignified and attractive older woman. It is hard to buy her as a sophisticate, thanks to her bodily mutilation. She also suffers from sometimes smiling during her performances, in the midst of her torment, giving the idea that she is perfectly in on the game.
Above, in a 2013 episode of what the mentioned series evolved into being, Hardcore Gangbang. ("Sexy MILF Simone Sonay Takes two Dicks in her Ass.")
On the page for this episode, we may read the description, "Simone Sonay lives out her fantasy of being taken down and fucked by strange men." It is so disheartening to come across descriptions such as this from KINK... as though these scenarios are the actresses' idea. I suppose this is a U.S. porn studio (dealing with aggressive subject matter)'s "safeguard measure" against arbitrary obscenity laws. (They could say, Look! This is a depiction of the woman's fantasy).
.
Last edited:
I've make my own opinions about
whats is better in JAV than western porn :
- female performers are more natural and most of them are still free from tattoo, piercings
- sex durations are real
- more free and more creative in fetishes and themes
- ofcourse JAV has much better asian female performers
- more natural male performers
- because mozaik rule they not so focused with penetration scene
- most JAV are focused to 1 girl only, from the start till the end of the movie, so its good for fans
- in the orgy scenes oftenly they show girls in the same scenes next to each other with the same sex positions
whats is better in western porn than JAV :
- no mozaik
- for anal, DP fans ofcourse western have plenty of it
- have many female performers in the movie, not focused to 1 female only
- have more attractive male performers
- have more movies for female audiences
- big studios like Private has better locations
please add if you guys have more or different opinions
whats is better in JAV than western porn :
- female performers are more natural and most of them are still free from tattoo, piercings
- sex durations are real
- more free and more creative in fetishes and themes
- ofcourse JAV has much better asian female performers
- more natural male performers
- because mozaik rule they not so focused with penetration scene
- most JAV are focused to 1 girl only, from the start till the end of the movie, so its good for fans
- in the orgy scenes oftenly they show girls in the same scenes next to each other with the same sex positions
whats is better in western porn than JAV :
- no mozaik
- for anal, DP fans ofcourse western have plenty of it
- have many female performers in the movie, not focused to 1 female only
- have more attractive male performers
- have more movies for female audiences
- big studios like Private has better locations
please add if you guys have more or different opinions
Strangely, I don't mind the mosaic, in fact, somehow I find it weird if there's no mosaic... A sure sign that I've been watching too much JAV, I'm sure.
Anyway, I agree with most of what Supmop said, but to me the most crucial part is the women. I simply prefer East Asian women to any other race - I don't know why, I just do. And, like I said in Casshern's thread, if I don't find a girl attractive, I just won't watch her. That's not to say that I don't find white girls attractive, there are some that are beautiful, for sure, but the type that I like I've never seen in porn.
Another thing is - and I might be wrong since I haven't watched any western porn for many, many years now - is that the genres seem to be much more fleshed out in JAV. If you just look at the Categories page on JavLibrary, you can see that there are lots of genres and most of them have new titles every month. I don't think that there's that much variety in western porn or as many titles dedicated to a certain genre, like, you know, OL or footjob. Well, the latter might not be the best example... Back in the day there were footjob titles in JAV which means that every scene was a footjob and just that - and a film like that even had top shelf performers back then. Nowadays there are only a few, mostly from Freedom(NFDM), but that's still more than what you can find in western porn I think. (And it has become a part of other genres, so it's fine.)
But there's one thing in western porn that I liked and that I haven't seen in JAV yet. I don't know how many films like this there are in western porn, but I remember that there were a few of these "historical" pieces. For example, I think I saw one that revolved around Cleopatra and Mark Antony, with costumes and everything. I loved that idea!
Anyway, I agree with most of what Supmop said, but to me the most crucial part is the women. I simply prefer East Asian women to any other race - I don't know why, I just do. And, like I said in Casshern's thread, if I don't find a girl attractive, I just won't watch her. That's not to say that I don't find white girls attractive, there are some that are beautiful, for sure, but the type that I like I've never seen in porn.
Another thing is - and I might be wrong since I haven't watched any western porn for many, many years now - is that the genres seem to be much more fleshed out in JAV. If you just look at the Categories page on JavLibrary, you can see that there are lots of genres and most of them have new titles every month. I don't think that there's that much variety in western porn or as many titles dedicated to a certain genre, like, you know, OL or footjob. Well, the latter might not be the best example... Back in the day there were footjob titles in JAV which means that every scene was a footjob and just that - and a film like that even had top shelf performers back then. Nowadays there are only a few, mostly from Freedom(NFDM), but that's still more than what you can find in western porn I think. (And it has become a part of other genres, so it's fine.)
But there's one thing in western porn that I liked and that I haven't seen in JAV yet. I don't know how many films like this there are in western porn, but I remember that there were a few of these "historical" pieces. For example, I think I saw one that revolved around Cleopatra and Mark Antony, with costumes and everything. I loved that idea!
Last edited:
The main two kink products i consume are PublicDisgrace, and Bound/Hardcoregangbang. Public disgrace does the job, but is rarerly ever shot in america while, the other site well watch Simone Sonay video from 2016 and compare it to the one from 2013, or watch any video from 2015/2016 on the site, and compare it to the 2013/2014 versions the "hardcore" aspect is gone
we have seen so many JAV so we used to it
I feel neutral for current mozaik, thats why I still watching JAV but the old thick and wide mozaik are disturbingyup people who prefer oriental women love to see JAV, other east asian countries (china and korea) still don't have porn industry yet beside bunch of amateurs and underground videos
yes, I wish JAV movie maker will make historical erotica too, not just a cosplay. JAV with storyline and Sengoku theme would be great
Yep I really like those historical pieces , but it seem like there are rip off version of very successful historical epics. Like Caligula , there was an x-rated version of it. I thought it was an uncut version , however to my disappointment , its just some opportunist studios adding extras x-rated scenes to the actual movie , its so bad that u can always tell if its added on.
I am really quite a sucker for theme, story , plot and stuff like that , thats why I prefer JAV , while there are straight no nonsense sex vids , there are also story modes to cater for the likes of me =D
And when it come to non reluctance scenes , I would use the word "finesse" for JAV , they seem to be able to do it just right.
I tried NC scenes on western porn , its actually quite extreme on both ends. They either do it too urm ... enthusiastically , its really kinda bad , I don't really want those cute ladies to get hurt. =( and not to my taste
or the other end of the scales (which is more than 80% of case) , where I can't figure out who is raping who... the victim seem to be one the "doing" the r**ist with all the "yeah baby , give it to me.. yeah yeah"
"maybe western female empowerment" even in porn?
Now modern western porn plot is what u see on the cover man. Any historical piece like "Cleopatra" , the only historical indication u ever see is the cover. I would say the after exchange are all quite similar to the first western porn I have seen.
I think the title is something like , The pool cleaner and the dentist's wife. Wow some cool story eh?
Well I saw the wife on a beach chair beside the pool and a hunk walking beside the pool. If he cleaned the pool by walking around the pool , i guess he IS a pool cleaner. And to this day I remember the conversation. it goes something like this
Hunk - "Hi there , how are you?"
Wife - "Great , good day isn't it?"
Hunk -" Yep , great day , u wanna fuck?"
Wife - "Yeah baby"
Sleazy music and well the action goes on.
I guess if you got abs like the hunk , you can be a pool cleaner or a road cleaner and still get the hotties. Till this day I still haven figure out where/who is the dentist.....
I haven't found males in JAV to be less attractive than males in western porn. I watch a lot of crossdressers and I find that mostly in JAV but I have some from the west too. I think maybe people don't think that Asian males are as attractive as white or black males, and you can see this in the lack of major roles for Asian males even in normal mainstream films, and perhaps I speak from personal experience as a Asian male myself. If you want the most attractive males you have to watch gay porn, and that is true in both JAV and western porn.
Most important thing for me though are the girls, and I think they look better in JAV. But JAV also makes girls look better too, the way they are shot, the production values, the themes. Perhaps to compensate for mosaic. But mosaic also introduces problems like fake creampies.
Aside from mosaic, I think the most distinctive thing about JAV is the "documentary" style of a lot of it. They even go as far to have "interviews" where the girl looks and talk directly into the camera. So it is all "real".
JAV is more creative but it feels more real. While western porn lacks creativity but it feels more fake.
Most important thing for me though are the girls, and I think they look better in JAV. But JAV also makes girls look better too, the way they are shot, the production values, the themes. Perhaps to compensate for mosaic. But mosaic also introduces problems like fake creampies.
Aside from mosaic, I think the most distinctive thing about JAV is the "documentary" style of a lot of it. They even go as far to have "interviews" where the girl looks and talk directly into the camera. So it is all "real".
JAV is more creative but it feels more real. While western porn lacks creativity but it feels more fake.
.
Definitely Western porn comes across as more "fake"... that is absolutely true! (To nitpick, I don't believe there's an end "to 'interviews' where the girl looks and talk directly into the camera" in Western porn, however.)
Kessari, were you referring to the famed Penthouse production of "CALIGULA"? If so, I believe after the movie was shot, or at some point, Bob Guccione (now late boss of Penthouse) did not like the lack of hardcore and he porno'ed the movie up. (The famous movie stars were unhappy with the decision.) So it was not some Johnny-come-lately unconnected to the production company messing with the movie.)
It's no substitute, but JAV has its own stab at "historical" movies from the FA-PRO studio, with their titles presenting a war setting. (They even have an expression in the English-translated titles for this type of movie, which needs to be researched... perhaps "Showa Era"?) In addition, while not exactly the same thing either, here is a JAV that was striking enough for me to once create a thread about it.
At Pornhub, I ran into this ad (could not save in its original GIF format):
No idea what the movie is, but I don't think I have ever come across this theme in U.S. porn... and we know exactly what they were influenced by. I'm not even wondering how well this flick was handled, the odds are it will be disappointing. (Not that the Japanese version of this theme is not idiotic, either... but I'm betting this porno will be even more idiotic. As a minor point, the actress has heavier mascara on than the usual female newscasters in the USA, albeit many of them have become Barbie dolls in their own right.)
(Now that Barbie's body has been changed, is it still correct to use the expression, "Barbie doll"?)
Also at Pornhub, I saw a reader's comment that made me think not just of the difference in West-East porn, but the values of some Western porn patrons.
"Despite the low production values, and the uncomfortable fact that in the plot this is all unconsenting, it's not too bad. But the creepy ending and the lack of consent makes me only want to watch this the once."
Yes, there are a lot of fools, especially in the United States, who love to come across as "morally superior," and forget that pornography represents fantasy. (I am presuming most Japanese, with their comparatively crime-free society more tolerant of r*** themes, are better aware of the difference.)
Speaking of CALIGULA, you will find a lot of American thoughts on sites allowing for comments on the movie, dismissing the movie as nothing more than porn. Hey, it was a $16 million production (big bucks, for those days) offering a lot more than simply an appeal to prurient interests. (I watched it again a few years ago, and thought it was wonderful... as a movie, and leaving the sex out of it.) (Some of which was, admittedly, gratuitous.)
In short, it is not just the porn makers of the "West" that are in line for criticism; after all, they reflect the outlook of a lot of their people, too often immature when it comes to sexual matters.
.
Definitely Western porn comes across as more "fake"... that is absolutely true! (To nitpick, I don't believe there's an end "to 'interviews' where the girl looks and talk directly into the camera" in Western porn, however.)
Kessari, were you referring to the famed Penthouse production of "CALIGULA"? If so, I believe after the movie was shot, or at some point, Bob Guccione (now late boss of Penthouse) did not like the lack of hardcore and he porno'ed the movie up. (The famous movie stars were unhappy with the decision.) So it was not some Johnny-come-lately unconnected to the production company messing with the movie.)
It's no substitute, but JAV has its own stab at "historical" movies from the FA-PRO studio, with their titles presenting a war setting. (They even have an expression in the English-translated titles for this type of movie, which needs to be researched... perhaps "Showa Era"?) In addition, while not exactly the same thing either, here is a JAV that was striking enough for me to once create a thread about it.
At Pornhub, I ran into this ad (could not save in its original GIF format):
No idea what the movie is, but I don't think I have ever come across this theme in U.S. porn... and we know exactly what they were influenced by. I'm not even wondering how well this flick was handled, the odds are it will be disappointing. (Not that the Japanese version of this theme is not idiotic, either... but I'm betting this porno will be even more idiotic. As a minor point, the actress has heavier mascara on than the usual female newscasters in the USA, albeit many of them have become Barbie dolls in their own right.)
(Now that Barbie's body has been changed, is it still correct to use the expression, "Barbie doll"?)
Also at Pornhub, I saw a reader's comment that made me think not just of the difference in West-East porn, but the values of some Western porn patrons.
"Despite the low production values, and the uncomfortable fact that in the plot this is all unconsenting, it's not too bad. But the creepy ending and the lack of consent makes me only want to watch this the once."
Yes, there are a lot of fools, especially in the United States, who love to come across as "morally superior," and forget that pornography represents fantasy. (I am presuming most Japanese, with their comparatively crime-free society more tolerant of r*** themes, are better aware of the difference.)
Speaking of CALIGULA, you will find a lot of American thoughts on sites allowing for comments on the movie, dismissing the movie as nothing more than porn. Hey, it was a $16 million production (big bucks, for those days) offering a lot more than simply an appeal to prurient interests. (I watched it again a few years ago, and thought it was wonderful... as a movie, and leaving the sex out of it.) (Some of which was, admittedly, gratuitous.)
In short, it is not just the porn makers of the "West" that are in line for criticism; after all, they reflect the outlook of a lot of their people, too often immature when it comes to sexual matters.
.
Last edited:
I can't say much about which is attractive and unattractive males, I'm straigh, and I think most of us (males) here doesn't really care about the male performers
but based on my female friends opinions, most of them think male performers in western porn are more attractive because most of them have fit muscular body, trendy haircut, handsome face (for example Private's boys), while many JAV male performers are skinny or fat man with geeky horny face, thats why western porn can bring more female audiences
yes I agree with this
well western porn also have "interactive" porn
but overall JAV are more creative than western porn
big dicks, we know that not all black, latino and caucasian have jumbo dick like them, and the sex duration, its fake