Gripe of the month

[Taako]

My two favorite niche genres.
I don't much like r*** JAV, depending on the girl, r*** JAV that starts with r*** but then the girl gets into it and then starts initiating sex in following scenes can actually be quite good but for the most part, I don't much enjoy a title if it's r*** themed.
Drugs and Hypno on the otherhand are perfect for me because I love super nympo stuff, so I'm not much into the whole knock out drugs, just the aphrodisiacs. The retarded ahegao and all that nonsense is my kind of bag so a girl getting hypnotised and or drugged then turning into a demented turbo slut is pretty much everything I want. I do prefer drugs to hypno as with hypno you always get a lame regaining conciousness segements. I'm just here to see girls act retarded while having sex.

As for the the realism of it, I kinda like when the girl goes off into the shower to masturbait and the guy walks in and they start having sex. That's what does it for me. Either way I suppose my responce is only tangentially related.

It's really not a bad genre but for me it's boring now. Just no twists.
Ummmmmmm, I will say Drugs and Hypno walks a thin line sometime between what is r***. I mean IRL, it's r***.

But drugs and hypno can somewhat not...feel like a r*** movie. Strange I type it but it's true.
I will say drug and hypno ONLY become r*** to me if...

1. Chlorform is used. In those scenes the guys sneaks up behind the girl/woman and she's struggling to escape. No doubt that's r***. No question.
2. When hypno and drugging leads to gangbang. To me that's r***. I'll explain.
I've seen time stop, drug, and hypno where there's one guy in the beginning. And then for un-explain reasons, he wants his antagonist/bullies or friends to join. To me, it's no longer a movie I find enjoyable. If I wanted gangbang I would find it.

To me... a group of aggressive guys vs 1 woman is r***, if she drugged, time stop, or hypno.
That's my personal opinion.

But it gets murky for me in JAV, when "brother" hypno, "liquid" drug his "sister"(it can be alcohol too).
Because sometime the "brother" seems to "love" his "sister" that much.
It's clearly JAV playing mind tricks to justified r*** and I'm not easily fool

But I let some of it slide if the "brother" isn't a perverted maniac or crazy lol

Again these are my opinion

 

[Taako]

My gripe of the month applies to every month.
I hate downloading an "uncensored leak" and it's actually decensored. I don't know what it is about decensored stuff but it's far too distracting. I'm not sure if I prefer censored to it. Either way hardly an improvement if not just as bad.
Do you really need those metric? You need that "downloads" number to go up so bad that you'll bait people into downloading? come on.

I don't watch anything uncensored. I hate it.
But I do see where its pathetic of the sites to play such tricks

I saw some decensored stuff. It's not real. Computer generated. That's why it distracts you.
Your mind is trying to tell you, what your eyes is saying..... or is it the other way around??? I don't know lol

 

[Zhonda]

My two favorite niche genres.

Different strokes for different folks. I almost always avoid drug/hypno/nympho; first you have to suspend disbelief the magic doohickey does anything, then the subsequent performance is just hamming it up. Takes me right out of it.

Leads me to my gripe this month. I really like the look of Suzume Mino; the face and hair do remind me a lot of a hot chick at a former employer of mine. LoL If it weren’t for that I couldn’t get past the Suzume’s shameful fake rack.

The silicon parts aren’t the gripe though. The gripe is Suzume always assumes a some sort of controlling role in virtually all her titles. I just want a simple JAV where Suzume gets a good and proper raeping. Is that too much to ask?!? So Suzume reminds me of Nao Misaki in that she seems to steer her work to slant femdom.

 

[Taako]

Another Gripe please.
Vibrators.
Can they please stop the constant use of male actors using vibrators in nearly every movie.
Seriously, it's beyond annoying and silly
It's silly when suddenly a male actor takes out a vibrator doing a scene when there's no setup for it.
And usually the vibrators are BIG af and electrical. And makes the scene noisy and less sexy.

Vibrators in JAV are not sexy, unless a woman vs woman scene. Men using vibrators in scenes looks silly! PERIOD!
I can't believe how piss I'm getting now lol
Anyways, I seen scene where male actors would suddenly take out a big, noisy vibrator and its like where did that come from???
The movie I wassssssss watching suddenly had a guy take out vibber. But there's no clue where he got it and who does it belong to... him? He supposed to be a "virgin". Is he using it on himself? The scene before show him taking the girl to his room, so where... why... would he used such a big device if he was a "virgin"????

It's so ridiculous, you actually see molesters in JAV using them! wtf??? It's so silly. Why would you carry something that BIG or small around??? Aren't you a molester? Shouldn't discretion be the main goal... not draw attention?

STOP THE VIBRATORS!!!! I'm not sure if the uses of them are from the directors or the actors??? But I feel its a director fault.

 

[BDrake]

Another Gripe please.
Vibrators.
Can they please stop the constant use of male actors using vibrators in nearly every movie.
Seriously, it's beyond annoying and silly
It's silly when suddenly a male actor takes out a vibrator doing a scene when there's no setup for it.
And usually the vibrators are BIG af and electrical. And makes the scene noisy and less sexy.

Vibrators in JAV are not sexy, unless a woman vs woman scene. Men using vibrators in scenes looks silly! PERIOD!
I can't believe how piss I'm getting now lol
Anyways, I seen scene where male actors would suddenly take out a big, noisy vibrator and its like where did that come from???
The movie I wassssssss watching suddenly had a guy take out vibber. But there's no clue where he got it and who does it belong to... him? He supposed to be a "virgin". Is he using it on himself? The scene before show him taking the girl to his room, so where... why... would he used such a big device if he was a "virgin"????

It's so ridiculous, you actually see molesters in JAV using them! wtf??? It's so silly. Why would you carry something that BIG or small around??? Aren't you a molester? Shouldn't discretion be the main goal... not draw attention?

STOP THE VIBRATORS!!!! I'm not sure if the uses of them are from the directors or the actors??? But I feel its a director fault.

I think vibrators are fun if they're being fucked WITH them. I've done that in real life and it's fun to give extra stimulation

 

[periph]

Another Gripe please.
Vibrators.
Can they please stop the constant use of male actors using vibrators in nearly every movie.

I totally agree. But the reason for it is because they need to pad the video's run time while they males are waiting for their cocks to get hard again.

 

[Taako]

I totally agree. But the reason for it is because they need to pad the video's run time while they males are waiting for their cocks to get hard again.

Yeah, I figure as much.
I say more for run time as those pointless vibber scenes can go as long as 10 mins or more. Ridiculous

 

[maelstrom9999]

I totally agree. But the reason for it is because they need to pad the video's run time while they males are waiting for their cocks to get hard again.

If so, then why don't we see so many vibrators in western porn? I think the reason is just that the use of vibrators is a more common fantasy in Japanese culture. Similar to why so many of their women wear pantyhose.

 

[Taako]

If so, then why don't we see so many vibrators in western porn? I think the reason is just that the use of vibrators is a more common fantasy in Japanese culture. Similar to why so many of their women wear pantyhose.

I think you're wrong imo.
I don't think it's "common fantasy in Japanese culture".
I don't think.... rather I don't know if Japanese men go around thinking about using vibrators on countless women lol
I'll have to patiently ask some fb friends on that one. And hopefully not offend them hahaha
The women will answer me lol But politeness is always appreciated.

It's most like likely as @periph pointed out and logically it makes sense.

btw, JAV doesn't influence western porn, so not seeing vibrators in western porn means nothing imo.
We all know JAV is more influence by pop culture, their social behavior, and societal norm.

It just wouldn't make sense for western porn to adapt any of JAV stories or practices imo.
Although, it would probably make western porn more interesting
I seen where western tried "time stop". It wasn't good or imaginative. Same as "hypno". Just bland and boring.

The guys in western porn don't need vibbers, as they been known to use fluffers, pills, drugs, and who knows what else to enhance their performances.

 

[maelstrom9999]

I think you're wrong imo.
I don't think it's "common fantasy in Japanese culture".
I don't think.... rather I don't know if Japanese men go around thinking about using vibrators on countless women lol
I'll have to patiently ask some fb friends on that one. And hopefully not offend them hahaha
The women will answer me lol But politeness is always appreciated.

It's most like likely as @periph pointed out and logically it makes sense.

btw, JAV doesn't influence western porn, so not seeing vibrators in western porn means nothing imo.
We all know JAV is more influence by pop culture, their social behavior, and societal norm.

It just wouldn't make sense for western porn to adapt any of JAV stories or practices imo.
Although, it would probably make western porn more interesting
I seen where western tried "time stop". It wasn't good or imaginative. Same as "hypno". Just bland and boring.

The guys in western porn don't need vibbers, as they been known to use fluffers, pills, drugs, and who knows what else to enhance their performances.

Yes, but the same logic that periph pointed out also applies to any other kind of porn.

The sheer number of vibrators I see in some JAV titles, multiple types often used in the same scene. It seems like some kind of fixation.

Actually, I will add that what I call "pussy play" in general is more extensive in JAV on average than in western porn. There's more time spent in cunnilingus, finger banging, clit rubbing, and toys. Also more emphasis on female orgasms by far. Vibrators would seem to go along with all that.

 

[Taako]

The sheer number of vibrators I see in some JAV titles, multiple types often used in the same scene. It seems like some kind of fixation.

I can't disagree. Logically, you're right.
I will ask my friends. But I did used to hear how big the toy sex industry in Japan is.
So that might explains things Lovely toys of all kinds I hear lol

Actually, I will add that what I call "pussy play" in general is more extensive in JAV on average than in western porn. There's more time spent in cunnilingus, finger banging, clit rubbing, and toys. Also more emphasis on female orgasms by far. Vibrators would seem to go along with all that.

This I agree. Pussy play seems to be an important factor of JAV. A gal should love all that attention hahaha

Also I think @periph and you both make good point, but I don't see western porn stars doing "pussy play" like JAV and staying that long at it to build an erection
As I stated some western porn stars seem to use internal stimulus to get/stay erect.

So really you're both right. And that's enough of me talking about men erect point lol hahaha

 

[maelstrom9999]

I can't disagree. Logically, you're right.
I will ask my friends. But I did used to hear how big the toy sex industry in Japan is.
So that might explains things Lovely toys of all kinds I hear lol

This I agree. Pussy play seems to be an important factor of JAV. A gal should love all that attention hahaha

Also I think @periph and you both make good point, but I don't see western porn stars doing "pussy play" like JAV and staying that long at it to build an erection
As I stated some western porn stars seem to use internal stimulus to get/stay erect.

So really you're both right. And that's enough of me talking about men erect point lol hahaha

Just a tangential point here, but along with the greater focus on female orgasms in JAV, comes actresses who can actually convincingly fake orgasms. Because they will shake, shiver and jerk their bodies, while in western porn, we're just supposed to think that when she moans a little louder for 20 seconds she must have cum.

I personally find vibrators to be boring most of the time, but I do like to watch women cum, and that part is better in JAV.

 

[Taako]

Just a tangential point here, but along with the greater focus on female orgasms in JAV, comes actresses who can actually convincingly fake orgasms. Because they will shake, shiver and jerk their bodies, while in western porn, we're just supposed to think that when she moans a little louder for 20 seconds she must have cum.

I personally find vibrators to be boring most of the time, but I do like to watch women cum, and that part is better in JAV.

True. Nearly all JAV actresses try hard to sell those orgasm scenes. Most be a requirement and a good one at that.
It convinces me they're almost...real. And I'm pretty good at spotting the fakes.
But the actresses really do a great job.

And don't forget even if its a "r*** orgasm or forced. The actresses sells it as something they couldn't control and their faces shows regret, guilt, ashamed, embarrassment, etc, etc

Western porn stars could never approach that way of acting because they just want to do the scene, get paid, and go to their next gig or go home.


However I will say the the older westerns stars from the 70s, 80's actually took pride in their craft. So that's good.

 

[maelstrom9999]

And don't forget even if its a "r*** orgasm or forced. The actresses sells it as something they couldn't control and their faces shows regret, guilt, ashamed, embarrassment, etc, etc

Western porn stars could never approach that way of acting because they just want to do the scene, get paid, and go to their next gig or go home.

Yes, absolutely. If we're talking about showing humiliation on their face and body language, American porn stars do not even attempt to do it as a rule. Even in humiliation themed porn like kink's Public Disgrace, they do all kinds of humiliating things to them, but they never act humiliated.

I strongly suspect the reason is not that they are all totally unable to do it. Because it isn't the hardest thing acting wise to just think of something humiliating and show some embarrassment in your face. I just don't think they are encouraged to do it. It may just not be part of the mentality of American porn producers and directors. So American pornstars only play the whore who has no shame, never the madonna who does. It's very limiting thematically in terms of what sorts of kinks they can explore.

 

[periph]

Yes, but the same logic that periph pointed out also applies to any other kind of porn.

The sheer number of vibrators I see in some JAV titles, multiple types often used in the same scene. It seems like some kind of fixation.

Actually, I will add that what I call "pussy play" in general is more extensive in JAV on average than in western porn. There's more time spent in cunnilingus, finger banging, clit rubbing, and toys. Also more emphasis on female orgasms by far. Vibrators would seem to go along with all that.

My take is that Western porn at least these days doesn't have a full movie focusing on one girl with 1-4 actors showing up throughout. Also, the more limited set of actors in JAV.

In my comment, I wrote it as the guys "waiting to get hard again", which is one scenario but the main point is that they want to pad the run time and that could be waiting for erections, but it can also be extending the run time with cocks not being directly stimulated so they can last longer during the actual suck/fuck part of the scene.

But I also think the Japanese mentality tends to "keep on improving" something, and use of vibrators is no exception. If using one vibrator is good, then why not 2 or 10 vibrating eggs, etc. to take it to the next level.

And you may have a point and the focus on female orgasm. Since JAV tends to focus a lot on "good" girls who would normally be shy, innocent, or reserved losing their inhibitions and becoming squirting orgasm fiends, the vibrator use to break through their barriers is one way to depict this. Western porn girls tend to be portrayed more often as horny sluts from the beginning.

 

[ding73ding]

My gripe of the month applies to every month.
I hate downloading an "uncensored leak" and it's actually decensored. I don't know what it is about decensored stuff but it's far too distracting. I'm not sure if I prefer censored to it. Either way hardly an improvement if not just as bad.
Do you really need those metric? You need that "downloads" number to go up so bad that you'll bait people into downloading? come on.

I'll fight you on this. Yes it's an issue, that mostly so-called "uncensored leak" are in fact AI-decensored. Also some are uncensored released (1pondo, Carribbean etc) getting confused with mainstream JAV gotten leaked.

But if you give a little effort, it's easy to detect the difference before downloading a file. Learn the kanji/Japanese for mosaic-destruction. And you will avoid 99% of disappointment. Also check out my thread on leaks, there are very few leaks nowadays, if you see a file claiming to be a leak but not mentioned in the leak thread, you can well suspect the file to be AI-decensored.

Have to say too... I used to avoid decensored files as well. But the technology is improving rapidly, it's past the break-even point now, IMHO. I mean, on average, a (well) decensored vid is a slightly better viewing experience than the original censored version. Having said that, I still download un-decensored version almost exclusively.

 

[headcrusher]

Yes, absolutely. If we're talking about showing humiliation on their face and body language, American porn stars do not even attempt to do it as a rule. Even in humiliation themed porn like kink's Public Disgrace, they do all kinds of humiliating things to them, but they never act humiliated.

I strongly suspect the reason is not that they are all totally unable to do it. Because it isn't the hardest thing acting wise to just think of something humiliating and show some embarrassment in your face. I just don't think they are encouraged to do it. It may just not be part of the mentality of American porn producers and directors. So American pornstars only play the whore who has no shame, never the madonna who does. It's very limiting thematically in terms of what sorts of kinks they can explore.

My take on this is that western audience wants to think that the girl actually enjoys it. Probably a cultural thing? Like... western audience can't stand the fact women don't like to get r***ing, while japanese audience actually enjoys watching the women suffer.

Only a really small part of western productions wants to show this kind of reaction from women. You know, facial abuse...

 

[headcrusher]

If so, then why don't we see so many vibrators in western porn? I think the reason is just that the use of vibrators is a more common fantasy in Japanese culture. Similar to why so many of their women wear pantyhose.

Because in the west the need of using external devices to give pleasure to the woman is "not manly". Also JAV is more focused on the woman reaction.

 

[mrflexog]

Two gripes. First is people arguing over big/nice asses vs overrated asses. Over a short duration I've read arguments of people debating whether the following 4 girls had a big/nice ass or not and it's honestly just annoying.

It seems some people make an arbitrary distiction about what a nice ass is or perhapse they want to flex their know it all-ness by showing how they can differencate a big/nice ass vs one that only looks big/nice. Then like clockwork they conceed to the fact that it looks nice in videos/sets but won't just admit its a nice ass.
Pointing out the flaws in an ass is one thing but just saying it's not nice (even though it looks nice) because X Y Z is just clown behavior.
Second gripe are people like

Because in the west the need of using external devices to give pleasure to the woman is "not manly". Also JAV is more focused on the woman reaction.

Using the term "the west" as a catch all for anywhere that isn't Asia. It's annoying. Do you honestly think that Australian, German, Swiss and English people have the same attitudes towards sex? We get it, you're dancing around openly stating that you're sexually enlightened by your worldly outlook on sex that you got by watching JAV. Give it a rest.

 

[headcrusher]

Using the term "the west" as a catch all for anywhere that isn't Asia. It's annoying. Do you honestly think that Australian, German, Swiss and English people have the same attitudes towards sex? We get it, you're dancing around openly stating that you're sexually enlightened by your worldly outlook on sex that you got by watching JAV. Give it a rest.

It's so funny your first sentence (I never said that, btw) and then reading the countries you gave us as examples.